Falconv1.0
Smash Master
Oh please do edumacate us your greatness.
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Should Planking (i.e. Ledgestalling) be Banned?
- Thread starter SamuraiPanda
- Start date
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I still want someone to convince me that the ledge grab rule isn't good. So far, all I hear is "it's not broken, doesn't need to be banned." The rule doesn't ban it.
rehab
Smash Journeyman
It doesn't need to be restricted.
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
One could argue there is no need for a restriction on something that isn't broken. Which would of course would lead to an argument that I dont have the patience or health to argue anymore.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I've already argued that point, and I don't feel like doing it anymore, either (hint: it's nearly the same answer I gave to "it's not broken, don't ban it").
Really nothing else to say about this topic, haha.
B!squick
Smash Master
XD Make the words a bit bigger so it makes a better avatar.
HK Donut of the Blue Fire
Smash Ace
Planking is by definition of stalling, an act of deliberatly avoiding combat. thus if its not banned then ok call it stalling and they throw the match round, cant remember. either way lucario can just D-Air their face.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
It's possible to hit the other person. It's not stalling unless it's physically impossible to hit the person stalling, like with IDC, or Jiggs' Rising Pound Stall.
Its not PHYSICALLY impossible though, and neither is gliding under the stage. Even running in loops in banned stages won't make you physically impossible to hit, but they're all banned.
kenhead
Smash Apprentice
I say don't ban it, and the only reason is because there's nearly nothing hard to do that you can do in this game anyway. It took a lot of fun out of smash. It could at least make there one more thing to think about while playing this game. I'm nearly braindead when I play. I need to have some type of challenge.
_Keno_
Smash Lord
Yes he is. He probably doesn't know the first thing about communism, just one-sided American text-book anti-(insert a non-american country here) propaganda. Sure its not that good, but you need to at least have your own reason for it other than "well, everyone else is thinks that."
Also, there should be either a ledge grab limit or a ban on planking...not for it being cheap or unfair, but to stop it from boring the hell out of everyone.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Great, call someone autistic without actually knowing what the condition is.
On the contrary I am going to school for engineering.Yes he is. He probably doesn't know the first thing about communism, just one-sided American text-book anti-(insert a non-american country here) propaganda. Sure its not that good, but you need to at least have your own reason for it other than "well, everyone else is thinks that."
Also, there should be either a ledge grab limit or a ban on planking...not for it being cheap or unfair, but to stop it from boring the hell out of everyone.
And in case you are two slow, the picture is meant to be a play on words/pun with a little tongue-in-cheek humor thrown in... not an actual accusation.
Ryusuta
Smash Master
Nice catch.
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Why does everyone give the U.S, so much sh*t?
Something I've been wondering.
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
We've got lots of skeletons in our closet and they are might easy to point at.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
SO,
I've encountered planking once.
Am I qualified to make a respectable opinion on whether or not it should be banned?
I've encountered planking once.
Am I qualified to make a respectable opinion on whether or not it should be banned?
He obviously doesn't want to Putin.
That would depend on who you want to respect the opinion.
I think it depends on the quality of plankers you face, not the quantity.
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
No, I've literally faced one Yoshi on Luigi's Mansion, online, one time.
I'm just wondering, I kinda wanna hear what everyone's experiences are in comparison to how they voted.
I'm just wondering, I kinda wanna hear what everyone's experiences are in comparison to how they voted.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
I've faced 2 who tried, but Diddy does decently well at dealing with plankers.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
yoshi cant plank well? what? wait yoshi can plank at all? o.o
HK Donut of the Blue Fire
Smash Ace
i actually heard something about an imposed limit in japan its something around 50-60 times and any more than that you throw the ENTIRE set, again my intel isnt always right though ive heard many statements about japan has a limit on it idk SWF proved its stupidity to me this morning, this game has a chance for a national circuit but no a mod has to come along and shoot that down for SSBB
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Japan's rule is pretty bad. I don't count my overall ledges and I am not like a planker but it'd be so hard to implement.
Read the thread. Its incredibly easy to implement. All you have to do is check your post game stats. Game keeps track for you. Takes all of 3 seconds to find out. Plus it would only take effect in matches that time out, so you are already looking at only 1/20 or so matches, if not fewer.
Also, a normal player will never approach a limit like 40 or 50 in an 8 minute match.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Unless its a ledge based gameplay. I've had a few games where both of us are attacking offstage so we get like 40 or so with neither of us planking.
Which is a byproduct of this rule. Why would you do something that HURTS you if you know this rule exists? More over, edge based gameplay is FINE so long as you don't run out the timer. If it runs out, its your own fault for not adapting to the existence to this rule and being to liberal with your edge grabs to an excessive extent.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Thanks for showing how doubley wrong I am lol. No but seriously, it shouldn't interfere with just a higher risk level of gameplay. I think it should only go against those who are actively trying to make it so the opponent cannot attack them, like Metaknight or G&W, I feel that solely using jumps off-stage shouldn't be banned either and its the opponents fault if they don't approach you personally. You are just putting yourself in a slightly higher position but its not like you can stop it all that effectively.
I don't like say the judge decided so I personally think it should be based off consecutive grabs without hitting the opponent. Just my idea imo. Because then the opponent can back up so whoever it is has to get off the stage.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Marth is so easy to ledge grab and stop as a result.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I know the thing but the only punishment is to grab the ledge and then you have a free hit on Marth. He's invincible throughout if he grabs the ledge but you can grab it from him.
AvaricePanda
Smash Lord
Going by consecutive grabs targets way more people than plankers.
Example: I'm a Diddy on the ledge and there's an Marth right above me, waiting to kill me. I'm trying to get an opening because I know if I just jump on the stage, I'll meet a fair/tippered Fsmash. So I keep jumping off and regrabbing the ledge for invincibility, waiting for him to either move away or come towards me so I can get back on the stage safely. If I regrabbed the ledge 6 times, according to consecutive grabs, I'd be planking.
The ledge-grab rule is easily the best rule, but that's only if planking gets to become a problem (which I don't believe it is). Because there's ways to get around it, and possibly more that don't have a disadvantageous outcome if people experiment with it, I don't feel like banning or putting restrictions on planking is in order.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I know but its very hard in many ways to ban planking. Like total grabs disrupts a ledge game. Now, is that fair if characters are alternating attacking each other offstage and are grabbing the ledge and pushing away for the invincibility? So now I really think it has to be a complex rule or judge's discretion.