Really?
Do tell me how Metaknight is stopping falco from CGing everyone else?
Hmm?
oh no my opponent may choose Mk so I should not CG everyone else?
That makes no sense.
Metaknight stops it because he is in the match. He doesn't stop theother characters.
how are CG's broken?
Stop sucking. Don't get grabbed/
HE CHAINGRABS THEM ANYWAY!
HOW DOES METAKNIGHT STOP DDD FROM CING THOSE CHARACTERS!?
You are acting like MK is regulating all matches. he doesn't.
Metaknight regulates his own matches not others.
DDD will still CG Sonic, Mario,Luigi,Samus,Bowser,DK,Pikachu,Peach etc etc when the chance comes up.
Obviously, MK stops this by being a character who is not easily grabbed, therefore people choose him isntead of other easily-grabbed characters to avoid being CG'd. Plus, DDD's cg doesn't work on him, that's ONE way of regulating DDDs in tourneys: people tend to look for a better option against MK, rather than risk their luck with ******** grab games... Cuz that's practically what makes DDD "broken" in the right sense of the word.
MK doesn't stop other matches who don't have MK from NOT cg'ing people. But the option of being able to choose him, makes the DDD player NOT just jump in as DDD, but consider usign someone else if they know their opponent might be an MK user. You suck horribly at understanding the reactions a person might undergo upon a critical situation.
You think that will stop him? Hmm?
I mentioned this last time but how does MK stop anything that does not involve himself?
People don't want to try any of the broken tactics as much as they would, for fear that their opponent would choose MK. A normal DDD mainer would despise being matched up against an MK, so if the opponent has been seen using MK, and the player has been seen using DDD before, he will try to enter the first match as a different character, expecting the other player to use MK... When in reality, the other person MIGHT not use MK.
Let alone what the metagame becomes isnt the issue, it is if MK is causing overcentralizing. Simple as that.
If MK (according to you) overcentralizes, then the metagame revolves around MK too much. If you want him banned, then you want him to stop overcentralizing. Therefore, according to you yourself, you want to change the current metagame into something different, which will be loved by many more... Oh but wait, you said that what the metagame becomes isn't an issue. What redundancy is this of which you speak?
Of course... Who's to say the outcome will bring more to the Brawl world? This is a risk being taken into consideration, depending on where the community lies... And as I can see, half the community is pro-ban, and half could be anti-ban.
Marth, Luigi and Falco deal pretty well with Diddy.
Diddy wont be getting the same wins, because his more problematic matchups would appear considering they have issues with MK.
Stop involving the player.
You and several other people here do it.
YOU are lost to MK. Get better.
What does that have to do with the ban?
Such ana rgument is flawed in that it automatically assumes the player has lost cause they suck. It assumes the capabilities of the player, it isnt dealing with the character.
When did I say "top players" suck because they lose to MK? I am not claiming superiority, nor am I degrading anyone to a lesser degree than what they are. I'm SAYING, that their losses might be ATTRIBUTED to them not being able to LEARN how their opponent's STRATEGY works, so in conclusion, THEY get baited into doing things they SHOULDN'T do, where MK comes uin and punishes them, EARNING the win.
A perfect hypothetical player wouldn't lose against an imperfect REAL MK main, and people can get quite close to be considered 'near perfect', so they could beat MK
in theory. And this is obviously true, as we've seen countless people defeating MK mains every once in a while, PLUS we've seen people whose character skill is so amazing, we just have to give them a hand for taking the time to 'semi-perfect' their game. Stop overexaggerating everything, MK is not broken..
No one cares, discuss how the character is not broken. Not how everyone is sucking and losing to him. Since that is irrelevant in the face of what requires a ban.
Trying to explain to you EVERYTHING is like trying to show a blind man what color looks like. The only way for the blind man to see the color is for him to gain sight by some method. So, in order for me to show you how MK isNOT broken, you'll have to see for yourself STARTING BY CONCENTRATING ON MK RATHER THAN THE WHOLE CAST! If you do horrible against everyone while trying to implement something new to your playstyle, deal with it, it'll pay off in the end. Same goes for fighting MK... If need be, CONCENTRATE ON THE MK MATCHUP FOR THE NEXT WEEK(s) and you'll see a sudden increase in your overall output against him.
If matchup ratios DO mean something, then start using the neutral/slightly disadvantageous characters whenever faced against MK, and avoid MK usage at all costs. The might not be the same thing, but their performance is. I used Kirby when faced against MKs at some situations, and now he has become one of my favorite characters of all time. ZSS, my other main, might do OK against MKs, but Kirby has the easiest time, so that's my natural choice against them... And it hasn't failed me yet! My losses have been because of my own mistakes, such as trying to dair-footstool MK offstage at unexpected moments...
Which bring me back to my point: RUSHING MINDLESSLY AGAINST MK WILL ONLY EARN YOU A GIMP! Change your strategies! I did, and 'm MUCH more defensive now than ever before... And it works for me.
Character issues is the matter not player one. It does nothing to end the debate by assuming that pro-an people are bad at the game.
Once again, did I ever say they were bad at the game? Stop reading invisible sentences, you're delusional.
No one cares if some newbie loses to Mk all the time.
Apparently whoever is in charge, does. Otherwise, they'd take the opinions of only REAL pros, and change the rules to however they desire, rather than post a public poll for the whole community,
newbie and pro alike, to decide whether it is best to ban, or not...
That doesn't change MKs capabilities, it doesn't change how well he does against characters. It doesn't have any effect on the criteria concerning a ban. So do not bring it up again.
MK's capabilities do not warrant him a ban. The examples of banned characters I've seen so far, all have to do with their
character traits that completely halts the game (due to a newfound infinite from the broken character on the rest of the cast, extreme attack:defense ratio where they are practically unbeatable, no skill needed in order to learn their cheap tactics which are unpunishable, etc etc etc...), and as far as I've seen, people win against MK, whether you like it or not. And NOT ALL OF THEM use MK to beat MK, according to the tourney results. So, either you're wrong, or the tourneys are wrong.
PS: Could someone change my vote from "yes" to "no"? I coted without noticing that I didn't click the "No" option right (if it's not too much trouble, that is... And if this poll actually means something. If it doesn'tm, forget I asked anything).
