XtACY
Smash Journeyman
too much stress to host a tourney and ****
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Should Metaknight be Banned? **Take 2** (Post-podcast)
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ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Thats not a bad matchup at all.
That is just barely a soft counter.
That is just barely a soft counter.
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
by Plainfield, You havent heard of Piscataway before? (the high school football team is always good)
M.K
Level 55
God, you really ARE an idiot, aren't you? No, I'm not afraid to say that JUST because you have some "colored" name. You are a FREAKING idiot.Jason told me the anti-ban side was winning big time. Good to know it stayed that way.
Well, then you suck.
MK is perfectly beatable. He has a bad match and several evenish ones, so there are many ways to beat him.
The argument you're using is very scrubbish and whiny indeed.
Not only do you provide absolutely NO back-up to your statements, but you critisize the people who are TRYING to beat Meta-Knight. Of course, as your ANTI-ban opinion states: "Find ways to beat him". I am saying "We have, and we can't. What now?". You say "Then you suck". That is not a valid argument. That is an immature, and absolutely childish response to a perfectly logical argument.
Here's a tip, how about you get the **** off your high horse and explain to me the reasons why Meta-Knight is beatable, and explain the circumstances of MK's "bad" and "evenish" matches.
Because you clearly, CLEARLY have SOME idea what these matches are, hmm? We've tackled every single match-up, and I know that you aren't some "all-knowing" character guru. A few pages back, someone posted ALL of the match-ups against MK from ALL of the boards, which clearly stated that Meta-Knight has only 1 match-up that could be considered "evenish" and several match-ups in which either a player got very lucky and used that circumstance to waver a closer match-up with MK, or there isn't enough experience to determine a close match-up.
I've watched you post in many, many threads, and you really can not provide any sort of proof of any of your statements. I think you suffer from an inflated opinion of your own flesh and blood, and to be honest, it isn't doing a thing to help you.
EDIT: I posted this BEFORE your last post above me, and now I will counter it.
We've given SEVERAL reason why the MK v. Snake match is either 50:50 or 55:45 Meta-Knight. Do you just refuse to believe in this?
Do you expect ANYONE to believe that FOURTEEN characters have some COMPETITIVE POTENTIAL against an experience Meta-Knight? I highly, HIGHLY doubt that. 60:40 is still a substantial advantage, and still can not make the match any less exhausting for the person battling MK.
XtACY
Smash Journeyman
never in my 15 years of living hha how far is that from like marlboro/freehold, ya know?
brinboy789
Smash Champion
its still a counter, soft or hard. pro-ban sides main arguement is that he has NO bad matchups. soft counter is bad, even if its by a bit.
help? here ya go:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=203535
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Hardly. Something that is bad would be 65:35 which is a definite soft counter.
If you just barely hit the soft counter mark, its hardly anything to consider bad.
Slightly disadvantaged yes, but far from being considered bad.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Meta-Kirby, I've known Inui for years and I can say that now that you've fallen into his arrogant trap you are in for a world of pain and shotas
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
About 40 minutes away lol
<3. God, amazing stuff.
Lol.
XtACY
Smash Journeyman
brinboy789
Smash Champion
would you like to explain the several reasons why MK > snake? or at least link it? because I have asked pro-ban side many times how snake > MK besides gimp, and i've never gotten an answer
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
from p-way to freehold its 40 minutes.
Meta-Kirby's post is made out of win lol
Meta-Kirby's post is made out of win lol
XtACY
Smash Journeyman
i know lol but do you live by this crew called impact?
Atomsk_92
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**** lol i love hearing about people complaining about MK when i don't find him challenging at all unless its m2k's XD
Overswarm
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tl;dr version:
I am giving you arbitrary numbers. Believe that I am speaking the truth please.
Melomaniacal
Smash Champion
I'm kind of neutral on the whole situation, but doesn't Meta Knight, in theory, break the counter-picking aspect of competitive Smash? Why pick any other character, when Meta Knight will get the job done just as well, if not better?
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
They were at a tournament I went to yesterday, but I dont think I live by them
MK has aerial superiority.
MK has offstage superiority.
Disjointed hitboxes as in Dtilt(perfectly spaced)>Snake's Ftilt(first hit), Utilt, and grenade.
Minimal lag and start up.
Mk can both rack up damage easily and his D-smash, Up-B, and Gair have good knockback.
Jesiah's paragraph seemed biased as well stating good things about snake, good tactics for MK, but not MK's strengths.
Um, there? I'm not a MK main, so this is just general things. =/
XtACY
Smash Journeyman
they came down to my place and we crew battled, we lost though by 7 stocks, using our 1, 2, 5, and worst best XD so you in a crew?
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
Nope, not good enough lol. I'm decent at best lol
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Hey, I heard the PM system is great
XtACY
Smash Journeyman
my bad.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
agreed with aerial game. however, who said snake HAS to go aerial? he can just stay on the ground all the time, like most snakes do (cept for godly nair).
dtilt has a disjointed hitbox? not sure about that...and yea it outranges them, but they do much more danage. besides, how often are you going to be just far away not go get hit by ftilt but to get a dtilt hit? not often. unless its a major range difference (snake and d3 utilt lul), then its not much.
lag and startup, yea.
dsmash should NOT be spammed. i know this as a MK mainer. spam it, you get predictable and it gets decayed as a KO move. up-b, sure, but its more of a situational killing move, not a damage racker. gair (lol were using that now?) kills at HIGH %'s...like 150% for snake. i think.
oh did i mention snakes insane grabbing game? MK has...dgrab to fair. snake has...dgrab to...ALOT of things lol.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
I second that notion
brinboy789
Smash Champion
lol. LOL. i...could not care less how you think of me. oh noes, i cannot respond to my opponent so i insult them. well, BOOHOO. try to contribute instead of insulting me. it doesnt help your case, at all
Cloud Cleaver
Smash Journeyman
I'll have to agree there. Personal attacks don't further the discussion at all.
HeroMystic
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Oh well. Looks like I'll have to brush up on my MK skills...
But everyone around here ****ing plays Marth and G&W.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Could do, but your points have already been rebuked several times in the past by many people, and I know OS and I have as well. What would be the point, especially considering your ideas seem to get more and more ********.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Cause MK totally isn't forcing Snake into the air. let alne that snake's Nair isn't godly it can be DI'ed out of.
Isn't it already disjinted
Disjoint=not part of body.
O_O
Ike's Fsmash does much more damage than Mk's Dtilt. So is better m i rite.
great move m i rite?
You don't need to perfectly space the Dtilt let alone its not hard t space the Dtilt. Marth's space their tipper very well.
Snake has to actually grab MK of course which doesn't happen often enough.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
You just nullified the opinions of 95% of the smash community.
Overswarm
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Good! This is the first step towards maturity. The second step is realizing that what other people think IS important, but you shouldn't take it to heart. Despite what you and Inui, with your egocentric minds, might think, other people have important information (even information you might not have!) to add to any discussion. Tell me when you get there.
Hmmm... well you got the insult part right so I know you can read. But you have to ask yourself what our insult was. Did we call you something random? No, we used the word "********", which would imply that you are stupid. This, combined with the post(s?) it refers to would imply that we get this idea from YOUR ideas and opinions. Silly things like "disjointed? I don't think so" when referencing, well, any of Metaknight's moves, would lead us to believe this.
You know how nature colors dangerous animals bright colors so people know to avoid them? We color bad posters with the color "********". It's a combination of arrogance and youth with a complete lack of information; it's difficult to get that hue with the older generation, but still possible.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
...i have responded on the lat page, in case you missed it. they have not getting more ********, you just cant respond to them.
wow. are you saying that MK's dtilt is disjointed??????
/facepalm.
i thought my views on you could not get any lower. i didnt think it was possible. apparently it is. running in on a flame free (a first!) discussion, and calling me ********. well guess what? gtfo or contribute. your choice
§leepy God
Smash Master
After having to face a few good Meta Knight's in some underground tourneys, I'll have to say it's still too soon for the ban. I'm sure that if we improve the meta game a bit, we may find a weakness to Meta Knight that's not picking another Meta Knight.
But if we can't find a cure to the Meta Knightids, then I'll say he can get the ban hammer. But it wouldn't feel right playing with a minus chracter though.
But if we can't find a cure to the Meta Knightids, then I'll say he can get the ban hammer. But it wouldn't feel right playing with a minus chracter though.
Cloud Cleaver
Smash Journeyman
Skill at the game is entirely relative. Submitting to those who spend more hours of their life playing Brawl is just submitting to an oligarchy. If you don't like playing MKs, don't play against MKs. It's just a game, folks. When it stops being fun, something's gotta give.
Snake will go aerial sooner or later because MK will force him there. Same with offstage.
All of Mk's moves are basically disjointed. Lol. As in they're not part of his body as SL said. Dtilt is good because it's pretty safe, has IASA frames, and can, with perfect spacing, outrange Snake's 3 moves. Besides, since when didn't pros have amazing to perfect spacing?
Dsmash doesn't need to be spammed to hit. It starts on frame 5, lol, it can't be impossible to land.
Oh, and Snake's insane grabbing game isn't as great as you think. Sure, you CAN do up to 30-50%, you CAN also kill snake with MK using U-airs to Tornado chain. Thing is, it doesn't happen as often as you wished. Besides, MK's sword+aerials>grab range.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
brin
Disjointed=attack not part of hurtbox.
Swords for example are disjointed attacks
Disjointed=attack not part of hurtbox.
Swords for example are disjointed attacks
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