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I was speaking the truth and it was less of an announce of my awesomeness (because the people who matter will already have realized it and the people who don't will already have been eviscerated by me in debate) but more as a huge put down against those who are advocating a ban.
Then your area is full of Scrubs in power. Yes, I went there. Bring it on (with pom poms)!
Read better.
Why? Why should I do your job for you? If you really want the free wins, do it yourself. If you don't, then it won't matter.
You have a bad habit of inserting completely irrelevant points everywhere. I was telling you to stop it.
Oh noes!!!
When have I not "admitted" to it? I just think that anyone who whines about a match-up being a "free win" and wants things bans to change that, unless "a match-up" happens to be "almost all match-ups" has no place in Competitive gaming.
I agree with Yuna. Match-ups are essential parts of competitive brawl. Learning all of your character's match-ups and how to deal with them makes a good professional. If a match-up is 80-20, then let it be. Let the person on the down side pick a different character. That's where secondaries come in.
Did you know that at least, oh, 29 people (and I'm not just making up an arbitrary number, I'd bet good money on it judging from what I've seen) have in this thread alone argued that one shouldn't have to get a secondary if you can just ban something to change the match-up instead?
Then after about 3 pages of people saying they don't even play other Nintendo games, he still refused to give up the point.
Wow. That's pathetic. Bans aren't just tiny things. They are big deals that involve much research and discussion to prove why a ban should/should not be made. As I said before, match-ups are an essential part of the competitive scene of SSB and understanding match-ups and knowing your advantages/disadvantages against a character make a good player.
People should play smash because they like the game, not because their favorite character is in it. If a game had your favorite character in it, but it had been reviewed as a 2/10 game, would you buy it? No. Also, like I said before, this is a competitive thread. Playing smash with your favorite character is casual gaming. Unless you are one of the best at that character.
Haha that's funny. Shows how unmovable some people are, even when shown various evidence and reasoning.
Oddly enough, it's not really fundamentally ad hominem (though it was formed in a manner that disguises it as such).
Actually, questioning one's qualifacations for participating in a debate is ad hominem fallacy dude.
I know enough about the TOs that I know they're not gonna budge.
No he didn't. He said "if you want free wins", so "if you want something to happen that you believe will allow you free wins..." is the most explicit interpretation of that. He never suggested you were correct in it actually giving free wins.
If it is impossible for DK to avoid being grabbed, then there's no point in banning the infinite as DeDeDe will still just grab you then hit you away, then repeat over and over again because you cannot not be grabbed. So basically, by your argument, it shouldn't be banned because it doesn't matter anyway.
By "qualifications", I meant mostly one's knowledge. If one does not have insight into the subject being debate, I do not feel one is "qualified" to participate in the debate. I would never debate rocket science because I know nothing about rocket science.
Yes, this is a large part of it.
Your point?
Dedede has a smallstep chaingrab on DK like he does on Bowser, so if you leave that out, you aren't accomplishing anything at all with the ban.
You can do it with the smallstep like Bowser, but no... he has the infinite too.
Can't you jab to make the throw be fresh so you can make it a true infinite? If not D3 can CG them to the edge, throw them off and edgeguard.
Yeah, he has the smallstep and the infinite. The smallstep typically ends up as a 0-death just like the infinite, though, so if you ban the infinite and not the smallstep the only ones who are gaining something are the ones who the infinite doesn't largely affect anyway.
I main Mario, and I can break out of it consistently under 100%. Reflex has done it over 130%. You'll still take some 50% from the first grab because he can use five dthrows before it stales and segue into a running chaingrab (except with Luigi) and end with an ftilt into an edgeguard, which is bull****, but that alone doesn't break the matchup and he'll have to unstale his throws first with other attacks before he can do it again.
Oh, sorry I thought it was much harder than that, but for me I think 50% plus like another 12 or 15? leading to an edgeguard with D3's back air that is scary, that can lead to 80% or death from getting 1 grab and a small amount of timing.
The 50% was gathered from optimal circumstances, (five standing dthrows into a full stage chaingrab into a successful followup) which shouldn't happen every time if you're playing smart.
Oh, believe me, it's a pain in the *** to deal with and I'd take a volley of Metaknights over a single Dedede any day, but for those three it certainly isn't unbeatable or approaching anything I'd consider being worthy of banning (not to mention that there are plenty of different techniques that accomplish a similar effect or worse in other matchups).
life isn't fair, i suggest you try to ban it >_>
of course he isn't, he isn't even affected by this....
um...yeah samus is affected by DDD's infinite, not until a later percent, but still affected.
>_>
