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[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Ryker, you're saying that Felipe has given a solid stance, even though he hard frankly pulled it out of his ***?

Are there some posts that I missed that show him bringing up more solid stuff than "Vote DH for the lulz" and "OMG OMGUS for voting me."

 

[Rockin]

Actually, they don't. Mentos spends his Day 1 giving people like you what you want to hear. Airy statements that don't give hard stances. Macman just lurks and lurks and lurks.

Even for a layman who doesn't know ancient metas, you imply that they're a negative until later in the game. Felipe here has given you a solid stance and shows no signs that he won't be continuing to do so, so your reasoning for wanting him to hold up doesn't really seem to pass muster given that you would treat others differently in his situation.

The only thing he's done is just vote DH and (he admitted himself) been trolling bardul (who is no longer in the game). There was no reasoning behind it. Not to mention he has (so far) provided any content for the group. To me, it just seems like he's jumping on the wagon and nothing more.

My vote is staying on him.

Then what was the point of posting it? Come on Rockin, you should know better than to post something that is obviously a warning to make me back off and then try and play it off as if it wasn't exactly what it was. Stand by your words man.

Because I was being nice? lol

sheesh relax man LOL

 

[Swiss]

Well you're the one asking me safe questions. All I'm doing is giving you my actual feelings

Honestly you're just racking up doubt from me at this point

Does anyone lynch him for this post?

You qualify every post with scum-intent.

July, feel free to ignore this request.

Ryker might be fishing for a quick lynch like he did in Utricked. I do not want him to do this as either alignment.

Stop being boring.

Also don't play the perfect townie. Dislike.

He's acting odd already and the way he is playing doesn't sit right with me. I (and likely zen) don't understand why he needed to proclaim that he was going to lynch differently based on 'player skill.'

Considering RR, I wouldn't be surprised if he's just trying something different.

Or scum.

Maybe he is just bad. But let's not assume this, why would you assume this, stop assuming this.

Swiss: Let's assume I get lynched now. Who do you go after?

Ryker, answer this after Swiss.

*upon a town flip

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If there had been any liquid in my mouth, I would have spat it out.

^ No obvious jokes, please.

If you flip town we lynch RR, duh.

Swiss, if I told you I was 100% sure Ditz was scum would you switch to his wagon on the assumption that I shot DH toNight?

Well, I happen to know you're not the vig. But yes. They can both die to death.

I'm surprised. You've been quite analytical this game yet have failed to notice how transparent Ditz is being.

He's being way too cautious. All of his posts have a backdoor attached. He hasn't taken a firm stance on a single thing. When asked who he'd want to lynch toDay, he said leaning Dark Horse but that that feel was diminishing because of the scene Felipe was making (implying that he felt Felipe was scummy/a higher priority), yet fails to even comment on his read on Felipe. He then closes the post by saying that, if he had to guess, Bardull is town but that read in analogous to guessing that the sky was blue. When he's called out by Swiss for posting so safely, he retorts that it's because Swiss is asking him safe questions.

My problem with him isn't because he has a lack of stances, it's that every stance he attempts to give comes with an escape route attached.

Oh, you. Stop being townie. Interesting NL point.

July town.

One thing im not getting is how DH acting panicky/ defensive makes him scum already. I played with him in Ragnarok mafia, and he started the same way, but he was town.

Swiss, to answer your early game question: I am dabuz, a moderately experienced player. We have not played before and I have played 4 games: 2 in the BBR (1 town 1 scum, lost both games), and 2 Dgames (Majora's mask, town, won. Ragnarok mafia, mafia, won)

You didn't say how good you are. Rate yourself, critique yourself, vote DH, then come back to me.

Hm..... so every player should be treated the same. EE should be treated like Dark Horse? Moriarty should die every game due to his play.

What does hypothetical play from other players have to do with it?

C'mon Rockin.



I mean, seriously, you JUST SAID that players should be treated the same and here you say they should be treated differently. A little contradictory, eh? Which is it?

You doc then?

I was on his scum team. He's not dumb. He's not extremely experienced. He's okay. I'd say above average with average being someone like Gord. I don't mind being held to the standard I tried to hold you to with Sokr.

K.

Doc or indie. Let me think.

No, wait. Doc.

Rockin VS Ryker is fruitless.

My ****-list: DH, Dietz, RR.

Kill them with fire.

Town:
Kuz
July
Felipe

Lookin' a bit slow on my town reads this game.

Do I have any other reads? I forget.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Rockin VS Ryker is fruitless.

Jesus, but I hate you sometimes. I REALLY do.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Naw last night was Gorf posting . I felt like I didn't wanna be too far behind this morning (I was freakin obliterated last night cuz of this... crazy alcoholic concauction my friend made and a 20 of mango kush) so I just got on and caught my anus up to par.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

K here we go yo. Lemme start off with this Unvote Vote: JDietz. I'll get back to that later.

For right now, I'm really digging July's wall (even though her walls annoy the living hell out of me ). The thing that really separates how I feel about that wall and down right near anything she posted in Walgreens is that, even after last night, there's a lot of memory of it that I have. She's really stuck her head out and made an effort to make an impact, whereas in Walgreens each of her posts were essentially geared to be so unreadable that I'd just not even bother and skip on. That, and the fact that J is a little July fanboy, is really making me dig her.

I'm loving the Bardull/Kuz slot. Bardull's daring and showing that he's looking to scumhunt painted him as pretty obvtown to me, and no I'm not gonna be one of the clowns that are JUST gonna drop that cuz Kuz is taking that slot (and of course I wasn't just gonna give Kuz a free pass but anyway...). And then, when I read Kuz' spiel on JDietz it really got me to understand what it is I was thinking about JDietz as I was looking into em in the beginning (I think I touched on it last night).

As far as Swiss, Rockin, and Ryker go, they all seem fine for me as far as living through toDay. All of them have been open with what they've been feeling and doing their part to scumhunt (haven't really read Rockin v Ryker, gonna do that after I'm done with this), so ultimately no qualms in this here area. And now that I think about it I'm fine with putting No Lynch in this category too.

Red Ruy bugs me, and it's not because of how Red Ruy usually is. There's really nothing concrete that I have on him, but it feels like a majority of what he's doing is too methodical, too planned, too polished... His idea of wanting to lynch based off of experience or something like that was totally offsetting, and off base considering the fact that I remember that being a problem in Adventure Time... call me the devil's advocate but I can see scumRuy wanting to use that as a way to look like he's doing something that'll help town out, rather than sticking to his norm as scum and not really being in the scene. Plus his whole stopping of Ryker's pressure was sooooooo "What would a townie say at this point hurr durr?".

I think I touched on Felipe last night, but he's just so antitown and such a nuisance, to me, that I don't even want to waste my time looking into him... If he's still alive by near end game I'll look into em and read em. If he's got a wagon on em I'll join. But he continues, on a regular, to do dirt poor nothing and I don't wanna go out of my way to get em to try and care. I can't change him, the only thing I can change is how I handle the situation (thank you therapy ).

Dark Horse is probz my second strongest scum read atm, and not too far behind JDietz. His very first post in the game was so wtfareyoudoing it's insane, and like I said it'd TOTALLY make sense with a JDietz-DH scum team noob scum mistake, going all chainsaw defense on dat a**. Plus all of his snide remarks when people are pressuring him, and his super defensive attitude, all make me think DH scum. BUT, if there's a DH town flip, then that really opens me up to Felipe scum cuz of that whole him hopping up on the DH wagon for no reason thing, and I'm sure scumFelipe would be thinking townDH is a balls easy lynch.

I already voiced my thoughts about JDietz... But I think he deserves a lot more pressure than what he's getting. It's almost like he's being fed on how to play scum by someone, but that you can tell it's noobscum. I see a lot of my noobscum mistakes in him. He's yet to make a concrete stance on anything. And I read back on JDietz' posts. Literally everything has a condition attached. As far as content goes, he has content flow, but it's a severe case of quality > quantity. His posts are so meek, so bland. He deserves eons more pressure than what he's getting.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Oh, and if I didn't mention you, you haven't made any big impact on me and you should probz get to doing stuff.

 

[Swiss]

Jesus, but I hate you sometimes. I REALLY do.

And I love you too.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

J's scum. Cool, cool. Means one of DH/JDietz is scum, but not both. Probably means that RR is town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

His posts are so meek, so bland. He deserves eons more pressure than what he's getting.

So, then, your vote isn't on him because?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

My vote is. Learn2read.

 

[th3kuzinator]

More like learn to separate vote tags from the middle of paragraphs.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

More like BLECK.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I... I don't think I can resist my troll instincts when I see that face...

but it's prob. a bad idea lol, I dunno if I want to step on random people's toes first thing... mad tempting though


(Also this music is EPIC for the intro reading)

Even this, as menial as it is. If he was doing it as a joke I see no reason why not firmly say yo I'm down. But he does this with every post, where he sways from one side of the issue to the other side.

 

[No Lynch]

More like Kuzi be skimmin

 

[No Lynch]

I told Soupa we'd sit back and see how much Kooz pushes Jdietz, but I really am too impatient.

Horrible lynch choice.

DH or Ryu should be the play today. Let's make one of those happen and call it a day.

Ryu what is your read on dietz. I'd suspect youd be able to read him the best since you herp it up irl.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Who does DH scum point at to you?

 

[No Lynch]

I haven't thought about it. I just think he's scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Almost every post he's written he's taken a completely neutral stance on whatever is presented - swaying from one side to the other. Textbook noobscum.

 

[No Lynch]

Textbook noob.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nope .

 

[No Lynch]

We can dance all day and night
but ultimately I'll be right

 

[th3kuzinator]

Doubt it. Your analytical skills have declined since your hiatus.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

So was reading the thread, and I had apparently missed this quote from Felipe.

Waaaaaaaat i am not even pushing him. Where this assumptions come from. I am just following the wagon.

God, now I have no idea what to think of Felipe.

This part's stupid. So incredibly stupid, there's no way scum can accidentally say something like this. Though he could be told to say that by a scumbud. The makes the whole thing a mess of wifom. Right now, this makes me think Felipe is noobtown.

Unvote

Really disliking ryker in the whole ryker vs rockin situation. He really seems to be trying to put words in rockin's mouth, making so, instead of saying that we should attack people if they're scummy, making it to all players should be treated equal, which rockin points out. And then, he gets really defensive when rockin says that he should stop twisting stuff.

Is that a threat? You wrote the words, not me. I'm simply examining them. Don't leave contradictions lying around if you don't want me to go Phoenix Wright on your ***.

To quote ryker himself:

"Are you getting a bit emotional here? Hoping an outburst can save you?"

I'm actually really digging this post. When I was reading this mofo I had a hard time discerning whether he was noob town or noob scum. I didn't really take into consideration how there's a backseat to EVERYTHING he's saying. Usually when I try to discern noob town is the fact that they're trying, but now I'm seeing all of this through a new perspective. Like, everything is really different when you're hazed, it's like all of this shiz starts to make sense.

I really don't like this part. To me, stuff like "I had a hard time discerning wether he was noob town or noob scum." really make this sound he's trying to hop on the wagon and have some footing for it. In addition, I don't recall Mang showing anything about Ditz being scum before this.

 

[No Lynch]

Doubt it. Your analytical skills have declined since your hiatus.

WOW talk about a stab to the heart. I gotchu Kuz i gotchu.

 

[th3kuzinator]

NL is probably town.

Lets lynch Dietz.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So was reading the thread, and I had apparently missed this quote from Felipe.



God, now I have no idea what to think of Felipe.

This part's stupid. So incredibly stupid, there's no way scum can accidentally say something like this. Though he could be told to say that by a scumbud. The makes the whole thing a mess of wifom. Right now, this makes me think Felipe is noobtown.

Unvote

Really disliking ryker in the whole ryker vs rockin situation. He really seems to be trying to put words in rockin's mouth, making so, instead of saying that we should attack people if they're scummy, making it to all players should be treated equal, which rockin points out. And then, he gets really defensive when rockin says that he should stop twisting stuff.



To quote ryker himself:

"Are you getting a bit emotional here? Hoping an outburst can save you?"



I really don't like this part. To me, stuff like "I had a hard time discerning wether he was noob town or noob scum." really make this sound he's trying to hop on the wagon and have some footing for it. In addition, I don't recall Mang showing anything about Ditz being scum before this.

You can do better than that. Bring to bear the fury of your hate.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

You can do better than that. Bring to bear the fury of your hate.

Trying bait me, aren't you?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Bait you into what? Following up on a course of action you've suggested you would like to take? Yes, that's pretty obvious. I'm glad you are a keen observer of the obvious. The question is why am I baiting you.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Hey dietz, what do you think about random lynching and calling it a day ?

I... I don't think I can resist my troll instincts when I see that face...

but it's prob. a bad idea lol, I dunno if I want to step on random people's toes first thing... mad tempting though


(Also this music is EPIC for the intro reading)

You seemed excited about the game starting, I'm kind of surprised you're tempted to end it now. How much mafia experience do you have btw?

I can honestly say I don't know what you're saying right now lol

How
many
games
of
mafia
have
you
played?

Like 2 lol

Makes sense. Were you mafia or town? Were these games on smashboards?

actually I should prob. shut my trap before I accidentally give mafia reason to pwn me lol

NO SOUP 4 U

once town and once mafia, and no they weren't, so I know enough to be like: 'OK'

then me and Ryu derped a herp at irl mafia lately and I jumped on board

I don't understand what you mean.

We're only asking you a question, why would mafia 'pwn' you to be exact?

I had to take the wheel for a moment, sorry Zen.

Oh Dope ninja.

Question still stands.

they prob. wouldn't but I dun wanna screw up royal straight off first game lol

Knowing me in 5 more minutes of chatter I'd be like: "Btw guys how am I supposed to play cop?.... ****." XD

OK Thanks.

See.. this is exactly what I was talking about... I already feel like I've handed my *** away lol

I should just keep quiet and stop blabbing to people who actually know what they're doing lest terribad things befall my personage

*has become instantly paranoid*

Keeping quiet just creates distrust. Out of curiosity, why haven't you voted?

10 charz of quote

You know you can change your vote or unvote at any time, yeah? Just making sure you do. It's common to use your vote throughout the day. It doesn't necessarily mean you're ready to end the day.

Oh mmk.

Which one of you is talking in which color again so I know who I'm chatting with?

We decided to use the same color. Just treat me as No Lynch, the unlynchable bulletproof cop doctor vig ok?

Of course lol

You know, we could just say something like "Vote: No Lynch (player)" to vote for the hydra.

Also, Nl, why were you asking Dietz why he hadn't voted yet, when really the only things so far have been RVS votes and you vs Ditz?

Seriously am I the ONLY one that sees Youtube Memes all over again?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Man that should have been in collapses.

 

[No Lynch]

Bleck what do you mean?

 

[No Lynch]

Regarding Jdietz, we had the chance to have a direct 1-on-1 interaction with him which I think gives the best reads. Kind of like I was saying in that 2person mafia thread.

The initial vibe I get when I look at his post are noob town. I can see noobscum when I look over them again, but honestly it feels a bit overanalytical. Like July said, they way that he had no hesitation when posting is a plus. It felt like he was truly being reactionary, not really playing in a cautious way. If he had scum buddies, I think he would ask them for help with regards to some of the stuff we were saying like with his #20. As scum I feel #19 would have created a bit of panic in him, but instead he posted just a few minutes later in his gooflike way. As scum I think he would have been aware of the point I was making in #19.

Kooz is saying that he doesn't like him because he is leaving his options open, but I just see it as not knowing what stance to take. Felipe is the same way. The only difference between the two is that dietz gives more detail into his thought process.

By the way, one post I really liked from Dietz is #247. He gives a completely original thought here which isn't sheeping off of anyone. It's his own belief on Dark Horse and I can see where it's coming from because I noticed the same thing with Dark Horse.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

K. To sum it up, in YT Memes X1 (townie) came out saying he was N0 cop and got a guilty on Swiss (mafia godfather iirc). This was a gambit and throughout a good part of the Day they were going back and forth about it. All of a sudden Kuz steps in (Mafia goon?) and barks at X1 for going all in on Swiss. People call Kuz out for the chainsaw, Kuz gets lynched, flips scum. Everyone then sees that he chainsaw defended Swiss, came to the conclusion that Swiss was scum, and lynched Swiss, both of em being mafia. That looks like... almost the same thing. ScumDH sees scumJDietz being attacked by townNoLynch. scumDH comes in and chainsaw defends.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

The thing is, I can see the argument for noobtownJDietz same way you can see noobscum, and in fact that's how I originally perceived it, but that line separating noobtown and noobscum is so thin. The intent behind his stancelessness doesn't come off as genuine to me. I'd be fine with lynching either, but I think JDietz needs more attention.

 

[No Lynch]

actually I should prob. shut my trap before I accidentally give mafia reason to pwn me lol

NO SOUP 4 U

Jdietz what was it you were going to say here?

 

[No Lynch]

NL is probably town.

Es plane

 

[th3kuzinator]

The initial vibe I get when I look at his post are noob town. I can see noobscum when I look over them again, but honestly it feels a bit overanalytical. Like July said, they way that he had no hesitation when posting is a plus. It felt like he was truly being reactionary, not really playing in a cautious way. If he had scum buddies, I think he would ask them for help with regards to some of the stuff we were saying like with his #20. As scum I feel #19 would have created a bit of panic in him, but instead he posted just a few minutes later in his gooflike way. As scum I think he would have been aware of the point I was making in #19.

Why would 19 have caused him to panic at all? Reading over the interaction I see no reason why Dietz should have felt pressured at all during that interaction.

Kooz is saying that he doesn't like him because he is leaving his options open, but I just see it as not knowing what stance to take. Felipe is the same way. The only difference between the two is that dietz gives more detail into his thought process.

Completely wrong. What Felipe and Dietz are doing is very different. Felipe is flat out saying he doesn't have many reads and that most of the players are null. No shenanigans. Dietz actually does give reads, its just he contradicts his actual stance in the same exact post. He wants to give the appearance that he's contributing and taking sides on an issue while at the same time not committing to any one option. Felipe is just plain telling us he doesn't have many reads yet.

One reads cautious scum, the other unhelpful yet honest townie.

 

[Jdietz43]

Looks like people have a lot to say about me lol

Text wall incoming once I read, but I can answer that NL question real easy: I was backing off from the convo there because you were making me nervous talking to me so much so soon. I wasn't sure how much info I was safe giving out if you turned out to be mafia (or anyone reading for that matter), but after I gave it a moment, I realized it was harmless to tell you how many games I played etc. and just kept going. Willy wonka picture scared me p. hard though, I had no idea if that meant I had already given away valuable info just by talking about Ryu or if you were just being a funny guy

 

[th3kuzinator]

And you thought this reasoning is genuine? What is original about this? If you don't think scumDietz could have correctly diagnosed that DH dug himself into a hole towards the beginning of the game but has slightly improved since being called out for it, then you're underestimating his intelligence level.