Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

K. To sum it up, in YT Memes X1 (townie) came out saying he was N0 cop and got a guilty on Swiss (mafia godfather iirc). This was a gambit and throughout a good part of the Day they were going back and forth about it. All of a sudden Kuz steps in (Mafia goon?) and barks at X1 for going all in on Swiss. People call Kuz out for the chainsaw, Kuz gets lynched, flips scum. Everyone then sees that he chainsaw defended Swiss, came to the conclusion that Swiss was scum, and lynched Swiss, both of em being mafia. That looks like... almost the same thing. ScumDH sees scumJDietz being attacked by townNoLynch. scumDH comes in and chainsaw defends.

Even those were different players, different scenarios, and different actions?

Bait you into what? Following up on a course of action you've suggested you would like to take? Yes, that's pretty obvious. I'm glad you are a keen observer of the obvious. The question is why am I baiting you.

You mean like this?

Vote: Ryker

You wanted to catch me by surprise. I'm guessing you were thinking I would be reluctant, hence why you kept trying to edge me on. You're trying to get me for that, aren't you?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nothing Dark Horse has done as of late makes sense from a scum perspective. I really just think he got caught in an awkward situation and tripped himself up early game.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Even those were different players, different scenarios, and different actions?

Yes. Even though all of those things are different, the chainsaw defense was still commited and it's still pre' scummy.

 

[Kataefi]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting:
Dark Horse (3): Swiss, No Lynch, Ryker
Jdietz43 (2): th3kuzinator, Bleck Mang
No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595
Bleck Mang (1): July
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin
Ryker (1): Dark Horse


Not Voting (4):
dabuz
Orboknown
Jdietz43
Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Btw, if I see anything like what Felipe did to Bardull, I will do more than hand out infractions.

/modtalk

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Except for the fact that in YT, X1 was doing something to get Swiss lynched, and kuz was trying to convince town that X1 was lying and that they shouldn't lynch Swiss.

Here, NL was asking Ditz question, and I asked NL a question about one of his questions. (Questionception)

They're really different, and I don't get how YT supports this situation.

 

[Jdietz43]

@Kuz: Your thoughts on my posts are totally valid. I was in fact actually trying to leave myself options after people asked me questions, I tried pretty hard to lay low and be ambiguous after NL got done talking to me actually. (you could say he put the fear of god in me lol, but that's totes not true anymore since by now I see him as completely townie)

I got given a non-vanilla role that I have NO idea what to do as, straight up. And I didn't want to screw over the entire town just because I didn't really know what I myself was supposed to be doing yet so I just shot for the low bar and tried to be constructive where I knew I def. could and just passive when I didn't know. I'm not a role that we directly need thank goodness, but I do know I've got the capability to mess us up hard if I'm not thinking about stuff.

I figured the best way for me to help was just give my honest opinions and waffle them some so no one took them too serious. That way mafia doesn't care about me, and the people who actually know what they're doing right now don't get pulled off track. But I guess that backfired some because now people are paying attention to the fact I was doing that. I've been looking at wikis a lot to try and figure out what I should be doing, but the hard and fast rules I could figure out were just not to say absolutely nothing and don't warpath everyone in sight for no reason either.

I've got a neighbor, but I've been hesitant to tell or ask him all that much, though I'm starting to think it might just be a good idea to just stop being cautious and start straight up asking for advice. They want to know my role to help me but idk if just spilling the beans up front is a good idea. I think I'm gonna go for it if no one else screams to me it'd be a terrible choice for us. Chances are he's townie based on both my own views of his posts and just straight statistics

Good idea? Bad idea?

 

[No Lynch]

Why would 19 have caused him to panic at all? Reading over the interaction I see no reason why Dietz should have felt pressured at all during that interaction.

ScumJdietz would be more cautious/aware of everything he says. I actually noticed this as he was scum Vs Soup in the 2 person maf game. From the time that he logged on and viewed the thread it took him a while to make his posts. When he was town though, he would just post right away. This is how he is being here. He is not taking the time to answer all the posts carefully like ScumRyu is doing.

With #19 I was making a point to how he was excited that the game started and that it was odd that he was willing to quicklynch and read the game. Instead of taking time to come up with a polished answer, he answered right away and didn't even understand the point I was trying to make. As town it's less likely for him to notice the point I was making because he isn't being overlyaware of his actions. As scum he would be.

Completely wrong. What Felipe and Dietz are doing is very different. Felipe is flat out saying he doesn't have many reads and that most of the players are null. No shenanigans. Dietz actually does give reads, its just he contradicts his actual stance in the same exact post. He wants to give the appearance that he's contributing and taking sides on an issue while at the same time not committing to any one option. Felipe is just plain telling us he doesn't have many reads yet.

One reads cautious scum, the other unhelpful yet honest townie.

How do you know that these aren't legitimate thoughts though? Why are you not giving credit to him actually having these thoughts? This is after we asked him if he had any other reads.

Well I'm also kinda iffy on you right now, mostly just on how much your posting. It could be fine but if you're mafia then idk how I feel about that much sway being had so fast.

that's pretty much it besides the fact felipe's last joke was hilarious in the most cruel way lol, I'd have to really dig to have anything else to talk about with any sort of reason just yet

Show me the contradictions. To me all I get is him playing in the "stream of conscious" sort of way. Yet still not know exactly where to stand. Basically a smarter Felipe.

I think you guys are misreading his responses to Swiss, looking at them individually without seeing what Swiss was asking.

JDietz, who we lynching?

What's your Bardull read?

Based on his responses you can tell that he was taking this question literally rather than what his reads are. I can see how you guys can see it as trying to give some sort of stance, but I think he was just taking swiss' question as literally who is town lynching today lol.

Leaning Dark Horse, but it's lessening since yesterday mostly because Felipe is making a scene right now.

I didn't really get a solid read on Bardull, he was in for two posts then abandoned ship when Felipe started making fun of him. If I had to guess his slot was/is town, but that's like saying if I had to guess the sky is blue right now

Looking at these votes though I'd say it isn't farfetched to lynch DH

At first posts, then votes. After all the votes are what actually make it happen

He came off strong digging himself a big hole, then recently has done an ok job of coming back out of it a tad. I'm inclined to side with the people who actually know him to a certain extent though

 

[Jdietz43]

So yeah: now that that's all in the open, I guess I might as well just continue to staple all the balls to all the walls lol

 

[th3kuzinator]

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[No Lynch]

And you thought this reasoning is genuine? What is original about this? If you don't think scumDietz could have correctly diagnosed that DH dug himself into a hole towards the beginning of the game but has slightly improved since being called out for it, then you're underestimating his intelligence level.

Yes I am. But so are you. You can't just make him nonnoob here, but noobscum where you see fit.

Let me know what about my AtE post gave you a town read. I'm seriously interested.

If not Jdietz who would you be pushing today?

 

[Jdietz43]

I dunno if anyone else asked me super pertinent stuff, just call it out if they did, I'm gonna go continue reading and catch up

 

[th3kuzinator]

Zen stop brooding over me being scum. I know you want to make some parallel to KSSU, but you're wasting your time. I have no interest in placing info substantiating your town read out in the open, so I won't.

 

[No Lynch]

Jdietz don't tell your neighbor your role.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@Kuz: Your thoughts on my posts are totally valid. I was in fact actually trying to leave myself options after people asked me questions, I tried pretty hard to lay low and be ambiguous after NL got done talking to me actually. (you could say he put the fear of god in me lol, but that's totes not true anymore since by now I see him as completely townie)

I got given a non-vanilla role that I have NO idea what to do as, straight up. And I didn't want to screw over the entire town just because I didn't really know what I myself was supposed to be doing yet so I just shot for the low bar and tried to be constructive where I knew I def. could and just passive when I didn't know. I'm not a role that we directly need thank goodness, but I do know I've got the capability to mess us up hard if I'm not thinking about stuff.

I figured the best way for me to help was just give my honest opinions and waffle them some so no one took them too serious. That way mafia doesn't care about me, and the people who actually know what they're doing right now don't get pulled off track. But I guess that backfired some because now people are paying attention to the fact I was doing that. I've been looking at wikis a lot to try and figure out what I should be doing, but the hard and fast rules I could figure out were just not to say absolutely nothing and don't warpath everyone in sight for no reason either.

I've got a neighbor, but I've been hesitant to tell or ask him all that much, though I'm starting to think it might just be a good idea to just stop being cautious and start straight up asking for advice. They want to know my role to help me but idk if just spilling the beans up front is a good idea. I think I'm gonna go for it if no one else screams to me it'd be a terrible choice for us. Chances are he's townie based on both my own views of his posts and just straight statistics

Good idea? Bad idea?

My head hurts.

On one hand, you play the noob card a ton in this.

But then again, fake claiming neighbor is a really bad idea for scum, and near impossible to pull of.

Eh, I think you should reveal your partner.

 

[th3kuzinator]

No .

 

[No Lynch]

Zen stop brooding over me being scum. I know you want to make some parallel to KSSU, but you're wasting your time. I have no interest in placing info substantiating your town read out in the open, so I won't.

I have no idea what you're saying here. I never said I think you're scum. Nor is that the case. I'm simply asking you a question and I think your push on dietz is garbage. Asking you a question doesn't imply that you're scum at all. I simply don't want anything slipping by this game. So please answer me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Jay, can you show me the other games from the blazblue forums you played in?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Dietz: Your neighbor's alignment is not confirmed to you, yes? First off, don't tell him your role. Secondly, in what manner did he ask you for his role? Did he offer to reveal his to you/has he already done so?

 

[No Lynch]

Kooz you can pass on the town read. I want to know who you're looking at other than Jdeitz.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I have no idea what you're saying here. I never said I think you're scum. Nor is that the case. I'm simply asking you a question and I think your push on dietz is garbage. Asking you a question doesn't imply that you're scum at all. I simply don't want anything slipping by this game. So please answer me.

I don't care to substantiate you being town, so I won't.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Scratch what I said about you revealing your partner.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Well good then.

I'll let you know once this interaction passes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You know, we could just say something like "Vote: No Lynch (player)" to vote for the hydra.

Also, Nl, why were you asking Dietz why he hadn't voted yet, when really the only things so far have been RVS votes and you vs Ditz?

Oh, you make it too easy.

Vote: Dark Horse

What an odd push.

I don't see the purpose or even how he got a read of this vote.

The only think I saw from Dark Horse's post was a legitimate question, and the second I could see as either alignment. This post implies he got a read at this point from a single post.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Dietz: Your neighbor's alignment is not confirmed to you, yes? First off, don't tell him your role. Secondly, in what manner did he ask you for his role? Did he offer to reveal his to you/has he already done so?

In what manner did he ask you for your role*?

 

[Jdietz43]

Jay, can you show me the other games from the blazblue forums you played in?

No sorry, they'd be deep in the archives by now and I don't care to dig them up. You can look them up if you have gusto but honestly I don't want to just hand them to you because you're looking like scum this game. I'll prob. elaborate on my feelings on people now that I actually have something to talk about.

Don't worry though, we were all terribad at the game XP. Literally none of us had played before.

Dietz: Your neighbor's alignment is not confirmed to you, yes? First off, don't tell him your role. Secondly, in what manner did he ask you for his role? Did he offer to reveal his to you/has he already done so?

No, I didn't get to be told my neighbor's alignment. They asked me like: After I confirmed that I was new they quipped I should try not to appear naive they wouldn't want mafia to take advantage of me in any way, then followed with "so, what is your name and role btw?"

 

[th3kuzinator]

No, I didn't get to be told my neighbor's alignment. They asked me like: After I confirmed that I was new they quipped I should try not to appear naive they wouldn't want mafia to take advantage of me in any way, then followed with "so, what is your name and role btw?

And did they offer to claim for you once you claimed? Did he mention claiming at all? Did he acknowledge that your alignments were not confirmed?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If you link me to the general area I will dig them up myself to read if possible. Even if you think you were bad I want to see how you played as either alignment.

 

[Jdietz43]

No, they never offered me what they were or pointed out that we didn't know, or ever said the word claim.

 

[No Lynch]

If you link me to the general area I will dig them up myself to read if possible. Even if you think you were bad I want to see how you played as either alignment.

>__>

die.

 

[Jdietz43]

Ok, luck to you then Ryu: you go to a place scorned by both men and beast lol

http://www.blazblue.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=53

 

[th3kuzinator]

I would be in support of you telling me who your partner is. I would also be in support of lynching that person.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

^this as well.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

No, they never offered me what they were or pointed out that we didn't know, or ever said the word claim.

Now that's suspicios.

This is also kind of making me think that we should have the partner claim, as who that is could further help with this thing.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Don't, though, until town weighs in on it.

 

[Jdietz43]

Ok, well if a majority of town thinks it's a good idea I'll go ahead and tell you who my neighbor is if they don't come out by themselves

as for now I take hiatus for dinner (yum)

 

[No Lynch]

then followed with "so, what is your name and role btw?"

This doesn't seem manipulative at all. DH and Kooz why do you see this as manipulative?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I just typed up a response but I want DH to field that first.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And RR, answer Zen's question since you apparently agree w/ me/

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This doesn't seem manipulative at all. DH and Kooz why do you see this as manipulative?

I disagree.

if they are unconfirmed on alignment, why fish and reveal like that?

It's just like Super Heroes where I was in the same situation with two people and didn't claim my role until I felt like I could trust both my partners.