ICEDTEA1325
Smash Apprentice
Just woundering if anyone had in mind any shiek counter picks because I haven't seen anything about them. If you think one is a counter pick say something and please discuss.
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shiek's counter pick stages
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demodemo
Smash Ace
halberd, delfino
unstable, "go through" terrain is good for sheik
because she is a ninja
unstable, "go through" terrain is good for sheik
because she is a ninja
Tristan_win
Not dead.
When it comes to sheik counter picking stages it really comes down to only a few
Battlefield for like everything it should be your go to if you ever question what level to pick
Halberd if your opponent can't kill off the top easily and doesn't have multiply jumps or can't float
Corneria Same reason as Halberd but range holds less value and gimping is no longer a big concern since the level sides are so small. Which is nice if you just not able to gimp your opponent like at all.
Rainbow Cruise if your opponent depends on there ground game heavily or have poor recoveries.
Final Destination if it's a **** match up like Sheik vs Ike or Sheik vs Ganadorf or really anyone with very crappy range game.
Norfair because sheiks a ****ing ninja on that level
Luigi's Mansion if your opponent can't get around the chain and has no range attacks.
Jungle Japes, I use this one solely for Snakes as both characters are unable to kill until a decently high percent and in a match of who can deal out damage the fastest Sheik wins ever time against Snake since Snake can't combo. If anything after say 120% you can switch to Zelda and go for the kill like that while Snake by then is tried and needs to refresh his moves.
...Make sure you keep approach him from above so he will be dumb enough to keep hitting you away with his utilt. If you manage to get hit with it a few times and live it will benefit you greatly in the long run...Also stay on the right side of the stage.
One more thing, Snake is so tall needle camping works on the side platforms just make sure you watch out for the grenades. You wont be able to effectively camp there but it's good to mix it up.
Battlefield for like everything it should be your go to if you ever question what level to pick
Halberd if your opponent can't kill off the top easily and doesn't have multiply jumps or can't float
Corneria Same reason as Halberd but range holds less value and gimping is no longer a big concern since the level sides are so small. Which is nice if you just not able to gimp your opponent like at all.
Rainbow Cruise if your opponent depends on there ground game heavily or have poor recoveries.
Final Destination if it's a **** match up like Sheik vs Ike or Sheik vs Ganadorf or really anyone with very crappy range game.
Norfair because sheiks a ****ing ninja on that level
Luigi's Mansion if your opponent can't get around the chain and has no range attacks.
Jungle Japes, I use this one solely for Snakes as both characters are unable to kill until a decently high percent and in a match of who can deal out damage the fastest Sheik wins ever time against Snake since Snake can't combo. If anything after say 120% you can switch to Zelda and go for the kill like that while Snake by then is tried and needs to refresh his moves.
...Make sure you keep approach him from above so he will be dumb enough to keep hitting you away with his utilt. If you manage to get hit with it a few times and live it will benefit you greatly in the long run...Also stay on the right side of the stage.
One more thing, Snake is so tall needle camping works on the side platforms just make sure you watch out for the grenades. You wont be able to effectively camp there but it's good to mix it up.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
if ur a real man like me just counter pick norfair every time
if the opponent bans it (lol) i'd just go battlefield
luigi's if it's legal
tristan's right on all his suggestions
but i recommend stages that you feel comfortable with and have practiced on
if the opponent bans it (lol) i'd just go battlefield
luigi's if it's legal
tristan's right on all his suggestions
but i recommend stages that you feel comfortable with and have practiced on
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
In addition to what has been said, I think Yoshi's Island is good for her. Especially if you change to Zelda for the kills.
Personally, I do really well on that lower section of Temple. If you're against someone that can really out-abuse you in terms of projectiles, not so much, but for Ikes, Marios, etc... I think it's pretty good.
Anything that isn't COMPLETELY flat, imo, is good. Sheik likes to have alternatives. She's good at attacking from the air, so the easier it is to get yourself in position, the better.
Personally, I do really well on that lower section of Temple. If you're against someone that can really out-abuse you in terms of projectiles, not so much, but for Ikes, Marios, etc... I think it's pretty good.
Anything that isn't COMPLETELY flat, imo, is good. Sheik likes to have alternatives. She's good at attacking from the air, so the easier it is to get yourself in position, the better.
ICEDTEA1325
Smash Apprentice
Thanks guys I have been playing shiek for a while now(about 2 months) and I am going to a tournament saturday so these things help!
choknater
Smash Obsessed
glad it helped, sheiks gotta stick togetha
Battlefield is great in all situations. Plenty of times sword users will counterpick this stage against me.....I just silently smile. I really think Sheik excels on platform stages....her speed is just so dangerous on these stages.
Plus, against MK and G&W which Sheik has difficulty edgeguarding and killing; the low ceiling makes for crazy early Zelda kills. Especially since she's fresh.
Pokemon Stadium is good as well, especially against characters with bad recoveries. With her chain, Sheik really has no problems with it due to her chain and she has that jab almost infinite on several different parts of the stage.
I personally like Lylat as well, could just be me though.
Plus, against MK and G&W which Sheik has difficulty edgeguarding and killing; the low ceiling makes for crazy early Zelda kills. Especially since she's fresh.
Pokemon Stadium is good as well, especially against characters with bad recoveries. With her chain, Sheik really has no problems with it due to her chain and she has that jab almost infinite on several different parts of the stage.
I personally like Lylat as well, could just be me though.
KRDsonic
Smash Master
I tend to find Lylat a good Sheik stage against characters that are hurt by platforms like Pikachu and Diddy. The low platforms also are perfect for getting a tipper Up Smash/DACUS.
Squidster
Smash Ace
Lylat is good for people who hate lylat 
(ness / lucas) You can chain most of the time and not be affected by the gayness.
(ness / lucas) You can chain most of the time and not be affected by the gayness.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
fosho
man falco only needs to be hit like, once off the stage then he dies
just tether then press A when he gets back
man falco only needs to be hit like, once off the stage then he dies
just tether then press A when he gets back
§witch
Smash Lord
I hate lylat with a flaming passion (lol used to main woof) Norfair is wayyyyyyy to good for a CP, chain is beast there.
Chaos F-15
Smash Apprentice
IMO
I find battlefield and lylat cruise to be the best stages for sheik.
Battlefield-up-smash goes through the 2 bottom platforms when your below. (it will always come as an up-smash tipper when it connects, which is strongest knockback in all of Sheik's arsenal.)
Lylat- same as above except all 3 platforms.
I find battlefield and lylat cruise to be the best stages for sheik.
Battlefield-up-smash goes through the 2 bottom platforms when your below. (it will always come as an up-smash tipper when it connects, which is strongest knockback in all of Sheik's arsenal.)
Lylat- same as above except all 3 platforms.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
norfair raaaapes so hard, i have yet to lose on that stage
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Mildly irrelevant but the tricks you can do on Jungle Japes look so cool! You can vanish glide to auto sweetspot the platforms and you can even vanish and end up sweet spotting the OTHER side of the platform too!
The Great Leon
Smash Champion
i really like halberd
but halberd really doesnt like me
D:
but halberd really doesnt like me
D:
Surprised people haven't mentioned smashville that much. I seem to always do good on it.
But like people have already said, you just need to find a stage you are comfortable with and stick with it. Like Choknater is great on norfair, but I am just a little bit bad at it... (I need to start practicing on it more... >_>)
Everybody is different when it comes to counterpicking. Except for battlefield. Every Sheik is good at that.
But like people have already said, you just need to find a stage you are comfortable with and stick with it. Like Choknater is great on norfair, but I am just a little bit bad at it... (I need to start practicing on it more... >_>)
Everybody is different when it comes to counterpicking. Except for battlefield. Every Sheik is good at that.
Blad01
Smash Lord
Lol yeah, so good ^^
Personnally my 2 CP stages are Pokemon Stadium 1 and Battlefield.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i raaaaaape at norfair
GUYS JUST PICK NORFAIR, SHEIK CANNOT LOSE THERE
ahem even to metaknight, yayuhzzz!
GUYS JUST PICK NORFAIR, SHEIK CANNOT LOSE THERE
ahem even to metaknight, yayuhzzz!
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Choknater tape yourself fighting a good meta knight on norfair and ****** him and not only will I start practicing on norfair I'll send you 5$ though paypal
^_^ I'm not joking, I really want to see a sheik **** a meta knight on norfair because right now I was about ....~pulls a % out of his ***~ 90% sure meta knight would have the advantage on this stage against sheik.
If someone doesn't have good vert KO moves I take them to Halberd. The absurdly low ceiling means absurdly low % KOs with ftilt-Usmash.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Plus one to post count.
All credit goes to Thinkaman
Stage Ceiling Height:
(highest to lowest, from bottom platform)
(Amount of damage required for grounded Mario to be KO'd by an undiminished, fully charged Mario up-smash. Less damage needed = lower ceiling. Damages/heights are listed for major platforms as well on some stages, in ascending order. Some stages that were difficult (like Delfino) were not closely examined, and some stages no one cares about were skipped entirely.)
New Pork City: 118 (Bottom)
Jungle Japes: 100/97/93
Summit: 94 (Bottom) 71 (Top)
Green Hill Zone: 89/80/74
Luigi's Mansion: 88/84/78/67
Mario Circuit: 88/81/73
Shadow Moses: 88/80/70
Onett: 88
Pirate Ship: 85
Skyworld: 85/80/76/70
Havenbow: 85
Pictochat: 84
Eldin: 83
Pokemon Stadium 2: 83/75
Battlefield: 82/75/68
FD: 82
Delfino: 82
Norfair: 82/74/67
Yoshi's Island: 82/75
Lylat Cruise: 82/74
Spear Pillar: 82
Castle Siege: 82-88-81
Distant Planet: 82
Smashville: 82/74
Frigate: 81-77
Brinstar: 81/74/68
Wario Ware: 79
Halberd: 77/75/68-73/65
Aero Dive: 77
FlatZone2: 77
Rainbow Ride: 75
Green Greens: 75
Yoshi's Island (Melee): 74
Corneria: 74/70/57
Mushroomy: 67
All credit goes to Thinkaman
Stage Ceiling Height:
(highest to lowest, from bottom platform)
(Amount of damage required for grounded Mario to be KO'd by an undiminished, fully charged Mario up-smash. Less damage needed = lower ceiling. Damages/heights are listed for major platforms as well on some stages, in ascending order. Some stages that were difficult (like Delfino) were not closely examined, and some stages no one cares about were skipped entirely.)
New Pork City: 118 (Bottom)
Jungle Japes: 100/97/93
Summit: 94 (Bottom) 71 (Top)
Green Hill Zone: 89/80/74
Luigi's Mansion: 88/84/78/67
Mario Circuit: 88/81/73
Shadow Moses: 88/80/70
Onett: 88
Pirate Ship: 85
Skyworld: 85/80/76/70
Havenbow: 85
Pictochat: 84
Eldin: 83
Pokemon Stadium 2: 83/75
Battlefield: 82/75/68
FD: 82
Delfino: 82
Norfair: 82/74/67
Yoshi's Island: 82/75
Lylat Cruise: 82/74
Spear Pillar: 82
Castle Siege: 82-88-81
Distant Planet: 82
Smashville: 82/74
Frigate: 81-77
Brinstar: 81/74/68
Wario Ware: 79
Halberd: 77/75/68-73/65
Aero Dive: 77
FlatZone2: 77
Rainbow Ride: 75
Green Greens: 75
Yoshi's Island (Melee): 74
Corneria: 74/70/57
Mushroomy: 67
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Battlefield is awesome, but bear in mind that it's awesome for alot of other characters.
I think that made sense....
I think that made sense....
choknater
Smash Obsessed
tournament i'm going to this weekend doesn't allow norfair as a counter pick =\
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
choknater that sucks norfair shouldnt be banned.
JackieRabbit5
Smash Journeyman
demodemo
Smash Ace
Sheesh, what stage does sheik do poorly on?
and castle siege is my new favourite map. walk off stages <3
is castle siege banned? sorry i never go to tournies..
and castle siege is my new favourite map. walk off stages <3
is castle siege banned? sorry i never go to tournies..
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Sheik is like meta knight just she can't fly and doesn't have a sword
She does good on every stage it's just that some characters do better then her on some of them.
The Great Leon
Smash Champion
norfair is stoopid choknado
Hey, I just tried out norfair a little bit with sheik, and now I love it.
You were right chok. Norfair rocks.
You were right chok. Norfair rocks.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yup people sheik is good on every stage
norfair enhances her speed because of the ledges
more ledges = faster and more invincible (literally) sheik
norfair enhances her speed because of the ledges
more ledges = faster and more invincible (literally) sheik
M@v
Subarashii!
With sheik, I like to pick halberd and norfair. I actually dont mind Lylat cruise with fox...Falco I do mind though
deepseadiva
Bodybuilding Magical Girl
demodemo
Smash Ace
on norfair i like to tether from edge to edge, and scream SPIDER MAAAAANNNNN SPIDER MAAAAAAAAANNNN in a very discomforting pitch which is often received with anger and punch
edit- meno, you can put halberd as a best too. i think battlefield and halberd are the two undisputed bests, but we each have our favourite stages. we have yet to technically dissect all the characteristics of all the stages, so we can't really give you anything that just fits in "best" and "worst"
edit- meno, you can put halberd as a best too. i think battlefield and halberd are the two undisputed bests, but we each have our favourite stages. we have yet to technically dissect all the characteristics of all the stages, so we can't really give you anything that just fits in "best" and "worst"
choknater
Smash Obsessed
LOL spiderman on norfair is too good
Flamingo777
Smash Apprentice
Sheik doesn't have a bad stage!
jk.. Idk.. I really don't like playing Norfair with her because I usually abuse the tether recovery... and half the stage doesnt let me 
Are you talking about Frigate Orpheon? Because Norfair is made of 6 ledges.