Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[WingedSupernova]

So, you guys think there'll be additional features added to Seven Sirens over time or do you think it's done?

I think Matt teased there would be additional features added in a recent interview. Hopefully one of them is something with the map.

 

[MattX20]

I think Matt teased there would be additional features added in a recent interview. Hopefully one of them is something with the map.

We shall see soon I hope

 

[Biometal]

Even toxic places I know that would try beating the spirit rule into you have conceded after Min Min's reveal. To be this desperate is....ugh.

HEH.

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[Mikegamer0608]

HEH.

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Meh. I say let them cry.

 

[M00NFIRE94]

There's no way Min Min is gonna be the only one getting this kind of treatment with her base spirit companions being moved to a DLC board. You don't just introduce something like that and make it a one-off deal. No way. And remember the spirits are each developer giving Sakurai permission to do with that character however he wishes so for all we know Shantae could be in development without WayForward even knowing about it so the few naysayers left that say Matt Bozon talking about her spirit in that one interview weeks back sealing her fate can get out with that poppycock.

 

[Biometal]

Welp. No amount of backlash can expel a character from the roster. So the ramen is here to stay. Min Min dindu nuffin'.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I know that WF are starving artists and all, but it feels like they're making special deals every other day at this point.

In celebration of today's NGPX event, Steam users can now save 50% on Shantae and the Pirate's Curse (https://t.co/Zmtx3vtxSr) and 30% on Shantae: Half-Genie Hero Ultimate Edition (https://t.co/WMjwYgBVPE)! Swashbuckling adventure and shape-shifting heroics await! pic.twitter.com/7EY3AKL7Ug

— WayForward (@WayForward) June 23, 2020

 

[meleebrawler]

There's no way Min Min is gonna be the only one getting this kind of treatment with her base spirit companions being moved to a DLC board. You don't just introduce something like that and make it a one-off deal. No way. And remember the spirits are each developer giving Sakurai permission to do with that character however he wishes so for all we know Shantae could be in development without WayForward even knowing about it so the few naysayers left that say Matt Bozon talking about her spirit in that one interview weeks back sealing her fate can get out with that poppycock.

People will be paying Nintendo money for Wayforward's property if that happens. There has to be a more concrete agreement if no one wants a lawsuit.

Remember: Matt sent and gave blessings to use those character photos, but nothing more. Further discussion would be needed for anything else.

 

[WingedSupernova]

There's no way Min Min is gonna be the only one getting this kind of treatment with her base spirit companions being moved to a DLC board. You don't just introduce something like that and make it a one-off deal. No way. And remember the spirits are each developer giving Sakurai permission to do with that character however he wishes so for all we know Shantae could be in development without WayForward even knowing about it so the few naysayers left that say Matt Bozon talking about her spirit in that one interview weeks back sealing her fate can get out with that poppycock.

I mean, they very well could be doing this with just Min Min. Let's not get too carried away here. I doubt Nintendo really cares what hoops Sakurai has to jump through to get the characters they choose, they just know he's responsible and competent enough to get the job done. And again, this time the character was picked by Yabuki, so if he came up and said "Max Brass" instead we'd be having a very different conversation.

Do I think spirits deconfirm? Hell no.
Nintendo and Sakurai have never cared about fan rules. Nintendo cares about that sweet moolah and Sakurai cares about making every character as unique and fun to play as possible. But in Min Min's case we can't really say that all of our speculating that Min Min breaks the spirit rule is fact because the next 5 characters have the same likelihood of being brand new to Smash as they do being spirits. It's impossible to know for sure.
However with Rex, Geno, Shantae, and Rayman being spirits, I think it's pretty likely at least one of those four was chosen by Nintendo.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'm going the deliver my usual balanced view over this debate.

Now, we know that not every company will be able to get a playable character in here, since development time is not infinite. While spirit deconfirmation is irrelevant in regards to base game content, I still think that the current pass will have a balance of totally unrepresented series and promotions (whether it's at least two or so). So far, companies that seemingly weren't able (or didn't choose to) to have playable content for some specific series via DLC have settled for sprit events instead, and even then we haven't got any new ones of those in a good while. And it's still ambiguous whether even that is an obstacle.

Also, 's case has showed us that key figures can hide the truth really, really well if they're willing to cover up the true extent of their involvement with Smash until the time comes. No pressure from fans will break that kind of a poker face.

 

[Shinuto]

I mean, they very well could be doing this with just Min Min. Let's not get too carried away here. I doubt Nintendo really cares what hoops Sakurai has to jump through to get the characters they choose, they just know he's responsible and competent enough to get the job done. And again, this time the character was picked by Yabuki, so if he came up and said "Max Brass" instead we'd be having a very different conversation.

Do I think spirits deconfirm? Hell no.
Nintendo and Sakurai have never cared about fan rules. Nintendo cares about that sweet moolah and Sakurai cares about making every character as unique and fun to play as possible. But in Min Min's case we can't really say that all of our speculating that Min Min breaks the spirit rule is fact because the next 5 characters have the same likelihood of being brand new to Smash as they do being spirits. It's impossible to know for sure.
However with Rex, Geno, Shantae, and Rayman being spirits, I think it's pretty likely at least one of those three was chosen by Nintendo.

We DO know at the very LEAST more spirit battles will be changed by further dlc/patches whether it omes from new spirit events like with Cuphead, or a new character remains to be seen.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So, you guys think there'll be additional features added to Seven Sirens over time or do you think it's done?

I kind of feel like they're done.

 

[Dukefire]

Idk if WF will add anything else since you can tell about the game's state after it was completed.

Also, the last Pokémon news was something pokémon fans weren't happy about. Pokémon unite anyone?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Idk if WF will add anything else since you can tell about the game's state after it was completed.

Also, the last Pokémon news was something pokémon fans weren't happy about. Pokémon unite anyone?

Ishihara and/or his translator must use better vocabulary next time. "Big project" can mean anything...

I kind of feel like they're done.

Yeah, it doesn't remotely look like there's any room for extra stuff at all this time.

 

[WingedSupernova]

Idk if WF will add anything else since you can tell about the game's state after it was completed.

Also, the last Pokémon news was something pokémon fans weren't happy about. Pokémon unite anyone?

I think that's just instantly on my list of "things that shall not be named"

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I'm going the deliver my usual balanced view over this debate.

Now, we know that not every company will be able to get a playable character in here, since development time is not infinite. While spirit deconfirmation is irrelevant in regards to base game content, I still think that the current pass will have a balance of totally unrepresented series and promotions (whether it's at least two or so). So far, companies that seemingly weren't able (or didn't choose to) to have playable content for some specific series via DLC have settled for sprit events instead, and even then we haven't got any new ones of those in a good while. And it's still ambiguous whether even that is an obstacle.

Also, 's case has showed us that key figures can hide the truth really, really well if they're willing to cover up the true extent of their involvement with Smash until the time comes. No pressure from fans will break that kind of a poker face.

So basically, nobody can know what Smash brings, until the creators themselves speak to the public about it.
Wait and see, and hope for a character we like... That's all we can do!

And honestly, the Smash fanbase easily fulfills the definition of insanity, with all the useless stuff they're doing.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So basically, nobody can know what Smash brings, until the creators themselves speak to the public about it.
Wait and see, and hope for a character we like... That's all we can do!

And honestly, the Smash fanbase easily fulfills the definition of insanity, with all the useless stuff they're doing.

Well what do you expect, it's a melting pot of various fanbases. It'd be surprising if they somehow were sane.

Besides, I'm not a difficult person, so I'm willing to follow patience as a virtue.

 

[Inoj]

Idk if WF will add anything else since you can tell about the game's state after it was completed.

Also, the last Pokémon news was something pokémon fans weren't happy about. Pokémon unite anyone?

Yeah the Pokemon Unite announcement video has more dislikes than likes.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yeah, it doesn't remotely look like there's any room for extra stuff at all this time.

Man, I wish they implemented that Risky goes to the moon idea that they had for HGH kickstarter into Seven Sirens.

 

[Dukefire]

For smash, right now they are satisfied with Min Min and more Mii Costumes with Vault Boy as the next special costume from Bethesda.

Just wait for another two months before they start going back again with speculation. Rinse and Repeat every time till Challenger 81 is the final piece to arrive.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Man, I wish they implemented that Risky goes to the moon idea that they had for HGH kickstarter into Seven Sirens.

Me too, although I guess they could expand that into a game plot instead.

For smash, right now they are satisfied with Min Min and more Mii Costumes with Vault Boy as the next special costume from Bethesda.
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Just wait for another two months before they start going back again with speculation. Rinse and Repeat every time till Challenger 81 is the final piece to arrive.

Until further notice, anyway. If plans change, they'll let us know before FP10 gets shown.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Well what do you expect, it's a melting pot of various fanbases. It'd be surprising if they somehow were sane.

Besides, I'm not a difficult person, so I'm willing to follow patience as a virtue.

Patience is a virtue indeed.

But yeah, isn't it sad that the insanity of fanbases is being viewed as normal by now?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Me too, although I guess they could expand that into a game plot instead.

Shantae and the X-Naut Fortress. Risky hijacks the place after the X-Nauts have been long gone.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Patience is a virtue indeed.

But yeah, isn't it sad that the insanity of fanbases is being viewed as normal by now?

I just ignore it anyway. What they think doesn't affect my spending decisions, and I can just leave forums when content support is done.

At the end of the day, I want to share my enthusiasm for the series with true fans, since I have a hard time getting my Twitch friends to pay much notice to Smash.

 

[Dukefire]

Patience is a virtue indeed.

But yeah, isn't it sad that the insanity of fanbases is being viewed as normal by now?

When you got a popular game with "Everyone is Here" and "Celebration of Gaming" with only limited spots, then you just got yourself a situation where it is a constant battlefield 24/7.

Who else doesn't want to see their character on the still growing poster?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

When you got a popular game with "Everyone is Here" and "Celebration of Gaming" with only limited spots, then you just got yourself a situation where it is a constant battlefield 24/7.
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Who else doesn't want to see their character on the still growing poster?

I think Shantae would look very nice and colorful on this poster.

 

[WingedSupernova]

It might not even take a month for speculation to ramp up again. Whenever a new character is released people look for weird new visual glitches to try and discern who the next character is. They think because the devs are basing the new characters on pre-existing ones they can guess who's next based on whoever has the visual glitches.

 

[Dukefire]

For that, I think the Bayonetta's glitch on her legs was for Min Min's kicking animation or her model.

 

[zferolie]

I think the pokemon fans went in expecting way too much, remakes, lets go, something else. It wasn't going to be something like that for sure. The outright said last week it was a new project, which should have set expectations.

That being said, its very MOBA lite. I love smite, and this doesn't look nearly as tactical. however, I need to see a full game without cuts and commentary to really know how to feel.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Generally speaking, I can rationalize the glitches but the latest one is a bit of a puzzler.

Unless Ninten is promoted for some reason, I'm not sure who this would fit, exactly. Layton isn't exactly short to me, even though his eyes are similar to Ness. There isn't a shortage of characters who are, well, short.

I think the pokemon fans went in expecting way too much, remakes, lets go, something else. It wasn't going to be something like that for sure. The outright said last week it was a new project, which should have set expectations.

That being said, its very MOBA lite. I love smite, and this doesn't look nearly as tactical. however, I need to see a full game without cuts and commentary to really know how to feel.

To be more accurate, they said it was a big project. So it's no wonder why people jumped to conclusions. It is indeed big, but not in the way they thought...

Again, vocabulary snafu.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

For that, I think the Bayonetta's glitch on her legs was for Min Min's kicking animation or her model.

If only Zelda or some girl character glitch because I would be excited for the fact it could be hinting at Shantae.

 

[Dukefire]

We will see once the next patch arrives with Min Min

 

[meleebrawler]

I think the pokemon fans went in expecting way too much, remakes, lets go, something else. It wasn't going to be something like that for sure. The outright said last week it was a new project, which should have set expectations.

That being said, its very MOBA lite. I love smite, and this doesn't look nearly as tactical. however, I need to see a full game without cuts and commentary to really know how to feel.

I feel like I'm the only person more interested in what Pokemon spin-off games can do, that doesn't also blame my lack of interest in playing mainstream ones on dev decisions. There's no secret ingredient I'm waiting for Game Freak to add, the last time I really got into playing was Y, and that's because I had a college circle to play with. That's just always been how you get the most out of these games, and no amount of upgrades or tweaks to the formula will change that.

Generally speaking, I can rationalize the glitches but the latest one is a bit of a puzzler.

Unless Ninten is promoted for some reason, I'm not sure who this would fit, exactly. Layton isn't exactly short to me, even though his eyes are similar to Ness. There isn't a shortage of characters who are, well, short.



To be more accurate, they said it was a big project. So it's no wonder why people jumped to conclusions. It is indeed big, but not in the way they thought...

Again, vocabulary snafu.

Snafu my foot. It has the adjectives "mobile" and "free-to-play", which makes console gamers automatically hate it regardless of how it's presented. Calling it a "small" project would have them just declare it a waste of resources and a cash grab.

Funny thing is, short of outrageous prices, it's hard to be truly predatory with MOBA. The most gameplay altering thing you pay for is character access (since stamina doesn't jive with online multiplayer), which is a one-and-done deal that, short of some unintentional balance issues, won't put you head and shoulders above the rest.

 

[WingedSupernova]

What was the glitch with Ness again? If it's someone short I could see Arle Nadja take that spot. She's got legacy for days like Terry, and her series is popular in Japan.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

What was the glitch with Ness again? If it's someone short I could see Arle Nadja take that spot. She's got legacy for days like Terry, and her series is popular in Japan.

It could be Bonk, the star of the PC Engine.

I mean, we still don't have a Hudson Soft character besides the Bomberman AT, so...

 

[MeteoRain]

What was the glitch with Ness again? If it's someone short I could see Arle Nadja take that spot. She's got legacy for days like Terry, and her series is popular in Japan.

Or, you know, Geno is pretty short, with a fairly big bulbous head, and love for potential projectile spamming.

I always envisioned Mega Man though, why they used Sheik for his Spirit fight is beyond me.

 

[M00NFIRE94]

Yeah, it doesn't remotely look like there's any room for extra stuff at all this time.

How about this: WayForward does an alternate non-canon take on the Seven Sirens story where instead of Rottytops, it's Shantae who gets captured with the others and it's up to the zombie girl to save the day. Also her fake genie persona becomes a reality having both genie magic and undead powers combined.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I'm actually alright with Seven Sirens not having all these modes.
it made HGH feel bloated IMO.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'm actually alright with Seven Sirens not having all these modes.
it made HGH feel bloated IMO.

I think they were really only meant for replays.

At any rate, they don't have Kickstarter budget anymore, so we're back to one-and-done games as they tweak the gameplay a bit to see what works best.

Just hope they won't take too many years before putting out the next installment again.

 

[3D Dillon]

Now that Min Min is in in,
I've switched the indie rep prediction from Reimu to our half-genie friend.