Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[meleebrawler]

Well WayForward having the money to announce and create Seven Sirens out of nowhere with no Patreon or Kickstarter support, releasing Funco POP and Totaku figures, and promoting Seven Sirens in theaters really makes me question where are they getting all this money? Perhaps maybe Nintendo or some other big party is lending them money because Shantae could be getting into Smash and they are trying to make the Shantae brand more globally known. But I'm not going to put complete faith in that until it actually happens.

All the Shantae merchandise reminds me of the situation with all the Banjo-Kazooie merchandise coming out last year before they were announced for Smash.

Well, the leftover money from their last Kickstarter that fell short of the final goal had to go somewhere. The bigger question is how they managed to develop or announce all those other games (River City Girls, Vitamin Connection, Spidersaurs, and to a lesser extent Mighty Switch Force Collection) at the same time as Seven Sirens. The first one is also an unusual case of Wayforward taking the initiative on a "licensed" game when it's usually the other way around. All this implies a lot of growth going on behind the scenes.

 

[zferolie]

Well WayForward having the money to announce and create Seven Sirens out of nowhere with no Patreon or Kickstarter support, releasing Funco POP and Totaku figures, and promoting Seven Sirens in theaters really makes me question where are they getting all this money? Perhaps maybe Nintendo or some other big party is lending them money because Shantae could be getting into Smash and they are trying to make the Shantae brand more globally known. But I'm not going to put complete faith in that until it actually happens.

All the Shantae merchandise reminds me of the situation with all the Banjo-Kazooie merchandise coming out last year before they were announced for Smash.

I think can also argue that Apple gave Wayforward money since they are putting it first on apple arcade

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I will say this: if their next April Fools is related to Smash, it might stop being a coincidence and just be a pattern. Or they're coping heavily with their "loss" in the best way they can come up with, for the third year in a row.

I think can also argue that Apple gave Wayforward money since they are putting it first on apple arcade

Not too much of it, considering how slightly incomplete some of the art was.

 

[zferolie]

I will say this: if their next April Fools is related to Smash, it might stop being a coincidence and just be a pattern. Or they're coping heavily with their "loss" in the best way they can come up with, for the third year in a row.



Not too much of it, considering how slightly incomplete some of the art was.

Well, they still got paid to release it early on apple arcade. Probably a deal to put part 1 out before the game was done, basically a demo, and that got them more money to update other things over time.

Anyway, I was thinking, with ARMS being our first, how are we thinking we may see the rest of the pass? I was thinking it could be a combination of1st and 3rd parties, with maybe more focused on characters Sakurai wanted to add last game and also fan requests. Yes he said Nintendo choose but Nintendo also knows what Sakurai wanted. Sakurai wanted ARMS and Rex and Pyra, so I think the latter is assured right now.

As for the rest, I think 2 other spirits will be updated, Shantae and Geno. They are by far the most popular 3rd party spirits wanting to get an upgrade, and FP2 should be good for them as any base game decision is null at this point, or should be.

As for the last 2, 1 I think will be third Party, Crash Bandicoot(hopefully with Coco Alt), due to big demand, his huge influence in the 90's consol war like Sonic was, and it would be a major big crossover no one thought could happen. The other... I am kinda leaning or hopeing for 1first party in particular. People think we will get a shill pokemon character... But I think Paper Mario has a shot. it that rumored Paper Mario is announced at E3, I think his shots rise pretty good. He would be a very unique Mario character, and would love to see another 2D character in the game.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well, they still got paid to release it early on apple arcade. Probably a deal to put part 1 out before the game was done, basically a demo, and that got them more money to update other things over time.

Anyway, I was thinking, with ARMS being our first, how are we thinking we may see the rest of the pass? I was thinking it could be a combination of1st and 3rd parties, with maybe more focused on characters Sakurai wanted to add last game and also fan requests. Yes he said Nintendo choose but Nintendo also knows what Sakurai wanted. Sakurai wanted ARMS and Rex and Pyra, so I think the latter is assured right now.

As for the rest, I think 2 other spirits will be updated, Shantae and Geno. They are by far the most popular 3rd party spirits wanting to get an upgrade, and FP2 should be good for them as any base game decision is null at this point, or should be.

As for the last 2, 1 I think will be third Party, Crash Bandicoot(hopefully with Coco Alt), due to big demand, his huge influence in the 90's consol war like Sonic was, and it would be a major big crossover no one thought could happen. The other... I am kinda leaning or hopeing for 1first party in particular. People think we will get a shill pokemon character... But I think Paper Mario has a shot. it that rumored Paper Mario is announced at E3, I think his shots rise pretty good. He would be a very unique Mario character, and would love to see another 2D character in the game.

Fatmanonice heard rumors from his guys about the final character being a tribute to Iwata, so I could see that happening instead. Especially considering how Lolo and Lala currently aren't in the game, not even as spirits, even though they showed up in Sakurai's Kirby games...

 

[zferolie]

Fatmanonice heard rumors from his guys about the final character being a tribute to Iwata, so I could see that happening instead. Especially considering how Lolo and Lala currently aren't in the game, not even as spirits, even though they showed up in Sakurai's Kirby games...

Hmm, Lolo and Lala huh? I think that could be cool. A tribute to Iwata, a new series being repped, a cool idea for a Duo character. All seems good to me. Wonder how they would play... we got a thread here for them?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Fatmanonice heard rumors from his guys about the final character being a tribute to Iwata, so I could see that happening instead. Especially considering how Lolo and Lala currently aren't in the game, not even as spirits, even though they showed up in Sakurai's Kirby games...

Wait a minute... I didn't notice they had no Spirits. So Lolo & Lala could be the Iwata tribute. Nice. It makes sense since that was Hal's first game and Iwata was the president and founder of Hal if I'm not mistaken.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Hmm, Lolo and Lala huh? I think that could be cool. A tribute to Iwata, a new series being repped, a cool idea for a Duo character. All seems good to me. Wonder how they would play... we got a thread here for them?

Wait a minute... I didn't notice they had no Spirits. So Lolo & Lala could be the Iwata tribute. Nice. It makes sense since that was Hal's first game and Iwata was the president and founder of Hal if I'm not mistaken.

Not to mention that it would finally give us our second puzzle game character. Even if not duo, Lala can easily be an alt.

Actually, yes: https://smashboards.com/threads/lol...llenging-lolo-for-smash-bros-ultimate.479886/

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Also, wasn't Lolo & Lala one of the dozen NES characters considered for the Retro slot back in Melee which the Ice Climbers got?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also, wasn't Lolo & Lala one of the dozen NES characters considered for the Retro slot back in Melee which the Ice Climbers got?

I can't find anything mentioning that, only half a dozen at most.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I can't find anything mentioning that, only half a dozen at most.

It might have been in a Famitsu column way back in the day I'm not sure where the original source for this information is.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Just to clarify things, yes, one of my guys claimed that there was a rumor of an Iwata tribute character outside Season 2 that was specifically going around Nintendo's Japanese offices back in January or so. Not a lot of evidence backing it up right but I think it's potentially noteworthy and possible.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Here it is: https://sourcegaming.info/2016/04/29/duflupdate/ Look at the Melee section of the cut characters that Sakurai says was considered. It appears Lolo & Lala wasn't considered.

 

[smashkirby]

No, it's Erica Schroeder a.k.a Bella Hudson.

Best-case scenario: Squid Baron and the Jinn(s) get fought consecutively, with no breaks.

Also, I had no idea that Erica Schroeder is in this game.

Wow, her? Man, I haven't heard from her (and most other 4Kids VAs, bar Mike Pollock and Lisa Ortiz) since 4Kids Entertainment closed its doors in, like, 2014/2015.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Wow, her? Man, I haven't heard from her (and most other 4Kids VAs, bar Mike Pollock and Lisa Ortiz) since 4Kids Entertainment closed its doors in, like, 2014/2015.

She still does some stuff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Schroeder

 

[SoupCanMafia]

I'll be banishing myself from the Smashboards for a long while, because I'm too curious for my own good. I hope to see you all on the other side when it's closer to my birthday (and when Seven Sirens is stated to release).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'll be banishing myself from the Smashboards for a long while, because I'm too curious for my own good. I hope to see you all on the other side when it's closer to my birthday (and when Seven Sirens is stated to release).

Friendly expert's advice: avoid TV Tropes at all cost.

 

[Morning Raven]

Forgive me if this is a spoiler question, but the VA you're talking about: Laura Bailey or Erica Lindbeck?

No, it's Erica Schroeder a.k.a Bella Hudson.

What MotorBug says. But I do love the work of Laura and Erica.

Wow, her? Man, I haven't heard from her (and most other 4Kids VAs, bar Mike Pollock and Lisa Ortiz) since 4Kids Entertainment closed its doors in, like, 2014/2015.

Well Lisa Ortiz is a voice director now. So I miss her as Amy but she still does good work in the industry. She even manages the dub of Pokemon now.

I have to wonder on the others though. They might be working other different names so we dont realize it much.

 

[zferolie]

Not to mention that it would finally give us our second puzzle game character. Even if not duo, Lala can easily be an alt.

Actually, yes: https://smashboards.com/threads/lol...llenging-lolo-for-smash-bros-ultimate.479886/

I would rather have Lip but a true puzzel game rep would be nice

Just to clarify things, yes, one of my guys claimed that there was a rumor of an Iwata tribute character outside Season 2 that was specifically going around Nintendo's Japanese offices back in January or so. Not a lot of evidence backing it up right but I think it's potentially noteworthy and possible.

Outside the season Pass? you mean like a bonus free character? If it was an Iwata tribute, I could see that for sure.

Would it Be Lolo and Lala or Balloon Fighter though is my question...

 

[Fatmanonice]

I would rather have Lip but a true puzzel game rep would be nice



Outside the season Pass? you mean like a bonus free character? If it was an Iwata tribute, I could see that for sure.

Would it Be Lolo and Lala or Balloon Fighter though is my question...

Not to derail things too much but I've been of the mind that, while a Season 3 is a pipe dream, I think we'll be getting at least one "bonus" before Season 2 totally wraps up. Back in January 2019, 16 dummy slots were pulled from the game but yanked once Nintendo found out people had datamined it and "Brave." Based on this, 12 of the 16 are currently accounted for so up to four "Plants" may eventually happen, presumably stand alone characters or even echoes.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Balloon Fighter already has a spirit, so I doubt it'd be him unless they did a remake, brought in Alice or something.

Not to derail things too much but I've been of the mind that, while a Season 3 is a pipe dream, I think we'll be getting at least one "bonus" before Season 2 totally wraps up. Back in January 2019, 16 dummy slots were pulled from the game but yanked once Nintendo found out people had datamined it and "Brave." Based on this, 12 of the 16 are currently accounted for so up to four "Plants" may eventually happen, presumably stand alone characters or even echoes.

It's all good sir, us Shantae fans are finding any excuse to avoid spoilers right now.

A "one more thing or so" seems like a fairly reasonable expectation, especially given that Lolo and Lala are practically semi-regulars anyway.

I guess those bonuses would be distributed sporadically, if they don't go with just one.

 

[GoldLiger]

Well I watched it(the ending parts can't help it lol) and all I will say is there WILL be a Shantae 6.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Not to derail things too much but I've been of the mind that, while a Season 3 is a pipe dream, I think we'll be getting at least one "bonus" before Season 2 totally wraps up. Back in January 2019, 16 dummy slots were pulled from the game but yanked once Nintendo found out people had datamined it and "Brave." Based on this, 12 of the 16 are currently accounted for so up to four "Plants" may eventually happen, presumably stand alone characters or even echoes.

Well if Echos are back on the table again I hope Medusa get's promoted from a Spirit to a Palutena Echo.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

This just in, the game will currently not have any DLC whatsoever.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._release_dlc_for_shantae_and_the_seven_sirens

Well I watched it(the ending parts can't help it lol) and all I will say is there WILL be a Shantae 6.

Good, that tells me that either something real important happened, or it's a pure breather episode.

Well if Echos are back on the table again I hope Medusa get's promoted from a Spirit to a Palutena Echo.

I'd take that with one serving of Ms. Pac-Man.

 

[Dukefire]

I can say the same that I watched it. Don't worry no spoilers from me. (Also, I only watch bits of it. So I'm not too spoiled on seeing references and the story yet.)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In terms of spoilers on my end, the only thing I know at all is that the Sirens follow a theme.

Spoiler

Underwater.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

In terms of spoilers on my end, the only thing I know at all is that the Sirens follow a theme.

Spoiler

Underwater.

That seems pretty obvious to me with the cover and all.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That seems pretty obvious to me with the cover and all.

Yeah, but I'm just sayin', since the first five just got empty character entries on TV Tropes.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So who are your most wanted Echos y'all? Mine are:
1. Medusa/
2. Metal Sonic/
3. Boshi/
4. Funky/
5. Black Shadow/
6. Dry Bowser/
7. Demise/
8. Big Boss/
9. Leon Powalski///
10. Ms. Pac-Man/

 

[WingedSupernova]

I never meant to imply Wayforward actually participates in E3. Just if they were going to announce multi platform stuff with other companies, it would probably be at an event like E3.

Now that you mention it, E3 is only about 2 weeks after Seven Sirens releases.

 

[Megadoomer]

So who are you most wanted Echos y'all? Mine are:
1. Medusa/
2. Metal Sonic/
3. Boshi/
4. Funky/
5. Black Shadow/
6. Dry Bowser/
7. Demise/
8. Big Boss/
9. Leon Powalski///
10. Ms. Pac-Man/

Did you mean to post this in the Newcomer Speculation thread? (that sort of thing happens sometimes)

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Did you mean to post this in the Newcomer Speculation thread? (that sort of thing happens sometimes)

No I meant to post it here.

 

[Megadoomer]

No I meant to post it here.

Okay; I just figured that, if it was posted here by mistake, I could move it there.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The ending playthroughs of the game are on YouTube.

This is not a drill, abort any searches for that game on the site until May.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The ending playthroughs of the game are on YouTube.

This is not a drill, abort any searches for that game on the site until May.

Oh believe me I will. I'm hiding in my Seven Sirens bunker right now.

 

[meleebrawler]

Well I watched it(the ending parts can't help it lol) and all I will say is there WILL be a Shantae 6.

For my sanity's sake, would you be willing to specify if the ending is a cliffhanger again or not?

 

[MajestyIndigo]

So who are your most wanted Echos y'all? Mine are:
1. Medusa/
2. Metal Sonic/
3. Boshi/
4. Funky/
5. Black Shadow/
6. Dry Bowser/
7. Demise/
8. Big Boss/
9. Leon Powalski///
10. Ms. Pac-Man/

That's a cool list !

I would prefer to see Birdo as Yoshi's echo, she'd just have to spit eggs from her mouth instead I guess.

If we do cross-series echos, I would totally love Jody Summer as Zero Suit Samus'.

The Octolings for the Inklings would be cool too.

And of course Nega-Shantae for an hypothetical Shantae ! Or even Risky if Shantae's moveset is based on The Pirate's Curse.

 

[Shinuto]

For my sanity's sake, would you be willing to specify if the ending is a cliffhanger again or not?

Nooooooooo! DM him the info, not ON here!

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That's a cool list !

I would prefer to see Birdo as Yoshi's echo, she'd just have to spit eggs from her mouth instead I guess.

If we do cross-series echos, I would totally love Jody Summer as Zero Suit Samus'.

The Octolings for the Inklings would be cool too.

And of course Nega-Shantae for an hypothetical Shantae ! Or even Risky if Shantae's moveset is based on The Pirate's Curse.

You have a cool list too. I would have put Risky on mine but Shantae isn't in the roster yet so that's why I didn't. I think Risky could be a Shantae Echo if at least half of her Specials are from Pirates Curse. The rest they could put it in there for Risky because I don't think one or two new Specials would take her away from being a Echo of Shantae. Afterall, Ganondorf in Melee was a Captain Falcon clone and he didn't have Falcon's knee of justice as his Forward Aerial but a punch in mid air instead.

Nooooooooo! DM him the info, not ON here!

Well as long as he places it under [ Spoiler ] Insert spoiler here [ /spoiler ] I really don't mind.

 

[Shinuto]

You have a cool list too. I would have put Risky on mine but Shantae isn't in the roster yet so that's why I didn't. I think Risky could be a Shantae Echo if at least have of her Specials are from Pirates Curse. The rest they could put it in there for Risky because I don't think one or two new Specials would take her away from being a Echo of Shantae. Afterall, Ganondorf in Melee was a Captain Falcon clone and he didn't have Falcon's knee of justice as his Forward Aerial but a punch in mid air instead.



Well as long as he places it under [ Spoiler ] Insert spoiler here [ /spoiler ] I really don't mind.

from experiene I dont trust anyone to not accidentally screw that up atleast once