Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[TOY the Gamer]

I think a Direct Mini will happen next month. A full Direct? Probably not until March.

 

[meleebrawler]

Well, that’s what happens when you’ve got ACTUAL MENTAL ILLNESSES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, AND A WEAK IRL SUPPORT NETWORK OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY. You slagging dastard.

The steps I would have had to take to find this out without someone telling me wouldn't have constituted an invasion of privacy?

 

[Sunny-Zee]

The steps I would have had to take to find this out without someone telling me wouldn't have constituted an invasion of privacy?

He told us on group chat. Enough said.

Paragon-Yoshi , I am sorry I had to bring that out in the open like that. I just thought that it might bring you some manner of sympathy that you felt was lacking from this thread.

 

[ChadTR]

I think a Direct Mini will happen next month. A full Direct? Probably not until March.

Give me March because Shantae and the Seven Sirens releases in Spring and tinfoil.

 

[zferolie]

Give me March because Shantae and the Seven Sirens releases in Spring and tinfoil.

We can get 2 reveals in january, 5th and 1st from new, and then one in march for shantae maybe. Then 1 or 2 at e3

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Paragon-Yoshi , I am sorry I had to bring that out in the open like that. I just thought that it might bring you some manner of sympathy that you felt was lacking from this thread.

I understand the sentiment.

But it wouldn't have worked.
Just laying it out in the open doesn't guarantee sympathy.
Depends on the person you're speaking to really.

Some are understanding, some aren't.
And in this particular case, I could clearly feel it's the latter.

 

[ChadTR]

We can get 2 reveals in january, 5th and 1st from new, and then one in march for shantae maybe. Then 1 or 2 at e3

I'll take that scenario too XD

 

[zferolie]

I understand the sentiment.

But it wouldn't have worked.
Just laying it out in the open doesn't guarantee sympathy.
Depends on the person you're speaking to really.

Some are understanding, some aren't.
And in this particular case, I could clearly feel it's the latter.

I know its easy to think the worse of people online but i trust our shantae fans here.

I'll take that scenario too XD

Its a crazy one but i hope it happens. I think getting 2 in january is about a 75% chance. 1 is for sure though

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I know its easy to think the worse of people online but i trust our shantae fans here.

It's not really about "assuming the worst" though.
I simply learned that Aggressive types are much less likely to be understanding and sympathetic and will react more negatively, if you tell them about illnesses and disabilities.
More often than not, they will think of these as mere excuses and it'll rile them up even more.
Trust me, I've experienced this fairly often in my life.

 

[Dukefire]

Still, we are going to face them until DLC ends for Smash Ultimate. For now, there is hope for those that are wanting that said character(s) joining Smash.

Spoiler: Image

 

[Planet Cool]

if we are talking about cuts, I don't like the idea of ever cutting anyone. At least any 1st party ones for future games. I know it may be impossible to get all the 3rd parties back sadly.

The roster does need a trim, imo, and the best characters to cut are the clones, semi-clones, and echoes. Not all of them, obviously; we can't do without Luigi, and some (such as Dark Pit and Dr. Mario) could become alts like Alph.

As for third-parties, Konami and Square-Enix are famously tricky to deal with, but everyone else is probably safe unless Nintendo or Sakurai don't want them anymore.

 

[meleebrawler]

The roster does need a trim, imo, and the best characters to cut are the clones, semi-clones, and echoes. Not all of them, obviously; we can't do without Luigi, and some (such as Dark Pit and Dr. Mario) could become alts like Alph.

As for third-parties, Konami and Square-Enix are famously tricky to deal with, but everyone else is probably safe unless Nintendo or Sakurai don't want them anymore.

Wouldn't cutting characters added as clones to minimize time and resources needed to include them have a comparatively small impact on resources saved?

 

[Planet Cool]

Probably, but I'd rather have a few new unique characters than a bunch of clones. I know not everybody feels this way, though.

 

[Morning Raven]

Probably, but I'd rather have a few new unique characters than a bunch of clones. I know not everybody feels this way, though.

So which Links get to stay?

Honestly, since the roster is so big, I wouldn't mind a cut if we got niche franchise smash bros side games. I know it's not Nintendo, but like a smash game using the whole Sonic cast. Or ones that include a major Nintendo franchise (to actually sell it) paired with a fuller cast from a lesser one or 3rd party.

 

[Planet Cool]

So which Links get to stay?

Keep Link and Toon Link, lose Young Link.

(Then again, a decloned Young Link with stuff from Majora's Mask could be savage. I'd love to see him rock the Hero's Shield and Razor Sword in Smash, and turn into Fierce Deity Link for his Final Smash.)

 

[zferolie]

Sorry but i never like the idea for cuts in a fighting game. Echos are cool as they have slight differences, so dont want them gone either. I feel of you cut a character you cut a playstyle from the game someone may like a lot.

 

[Planet Cool]

Eh, agree to disagree. But eventually there will have to be cuts because the roster can't keep growing exponentially forever.

 

[ChadTR]

Well, traditional fighting games just have rolling rosters from one installment to the other, with some staple core characters. So, cuts are never really definitive...

 

[MeteoRain]

Keep Link and Toon Link, lose Young Link.

(Then again, a decloned Young Link with stuff from Majora's Mask could be savage. I'd love to see him rock the Hero's Shield and Razor Sword in Smash, and turn into Fierce Deity Link for his Final Smash.)

I hope Toon gets revisioned and equipment more unique to his style. How he never used the Deku Leaf for a recovery or the Hurricane Spin for a FS back in his Brawl debut is beyond me.

 

[Morning Raven]

I hope Toon gets revisioned and equipment more unique to his style. How he never used the Deku Leaf for a recovery or the Hurricane Spin for a FS back in his Brawl debut is beyond me.

Or grab anything from Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks too. Or even borrow from the Gameboy games, like Minish Caps digging claws or gust jar.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I hope Toon gets revisioned and equipment more unique to his style. How he never used the Deku Leaf for a recovery or the Hurricane Spin for a FS back in his Brawl debut is beyond me.

Could be Sakurai's philosophy on Spoilers.
Aka, he didn't include Deku Leaf because he didn't want to spoil the game.

Or maybe it was just easier and less time consuming to give him Link's moveset.

 

[TOY the Gamer]

Could be Sakurai's philosophy on Spoilers.
Aka, he didn't include Deku Leaf because he didn't want to spoil the game.

Or maybe it was just easier and less time consuming to give him Link's moveset.

By that logic, would Super Sonic have been considered a spoiler for the true ending of Sonic 2?

 

[zferolie]

Eh, agree to disagree. But eventually there will have to be cuts because the roster can't keep growing exponentially forever.

I know, and I accepted that. still not a fan of it but I know it will have to happen. hence why I hope they keep making DLC for this game for as long as possible.

I hope Toon gets revisioned and equipment more unique to his style. How he never used the Deku Leaf for a recovery or the Hurricane Spin for a FS back in his Brawl debut is beyond me.

I always felt Toon had no reason to be basically Link but faster. The Leaf, the Wind Waker for his FS, and the grappling hook all mad sense for him to have

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

By that logic, would Super Sonic have been considered a spoiler for the true ending of Sonic 2?

Well he contradicts his own philosophy often.

One example is "Shiek": Not wanting to spoil their true identity (it's even spelled out in game).
But then we also an example where he contradicts his own philosophy: Mechon Fiora
A very surprising plot twist and memorable moment, when she was revealed in Xenoblade.
And yet Sakurai had no qualms spoiling her existence even in Smash 4.

So yeah, as amazing as the man is, he does have his faults for sure.
He's just a man in the end...

 

[ChadTR]

So yeah, as amazing as the man is, he does have his faults for sure.
He's just a man in the end...

His biggest one: not having realized yet how amazing Shantae would be as a playable character XP

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

His biggest one: not having realized yet how amazing Shantae would be as a playable character XP

How do you know that? Can you read his mind?
All the way from over America no less?

In all seriousness though, the man marches to the beat of his own drum.
Often for better, but sometimes for worse as well.
He does make amazing things and is very dedicated.
And he deserves all the praise and respect in the world, no questions asked.

Still, I don't agree with him on everything.
A few things he does are rather... bizarre.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

We are just 6 pages away from 900. Let's get this half-genie train going guys!

 

[ChadTR]

How do you know that? Can you read his mind?
All the way from over America no less?

Calm down, it was only an innocent little joke And I'm not from America X-)

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Calm down, it was only an innocent little joke And I'm not from America X-)

Who are you telling to calm down me or someone else? I wasn't talking to you if you think that.

 

[TOY the Gamer]

Did anybody see Sabi calling Fatman's bluff recently regarding his "leak" for future DLC?
Fatman is claiming 2 Indies are getting MII COSTUMES with a music remix accompanying each... but NO Indie fighters at all are coming.

Hypothetically, if what he says winds up being accurate, then Shantae is deconfirmed in the worst way possible. Seriously, people would be making Bikini Sans Miis if that happened (That would be a sick joke that would rub me the wrong way, because I already despise Sans as is).

However, this is Fatman we're talking about. Chances are he's not got the facts straight.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Did anybody see Sabi calling Fatman's bluff recently regarding his "leak" for future DLC?
Fatman is claiming 2 Indies are getting MII COSTUMES with a music remix accompanying each... but NO Indie fighters at all are coming.

Hypothetically, if what he says winds up being accurate, then Shantae is deconfirmed in the worst way possible. Seriously, people would be making Bikini Sans Miis if that happened (That would be a sick joke that would rub me the wrong way, because I already despise Sans as is).

However, this is Fatman we're talking about. Chances are he's not got the facts straight.

I don't think Fatman claimed that, he said one of his contects said that I believe.

 

[ChadTR]

Who are you telling to calm down me or someone else? I wasn't talking to you if you think that.

Huh? No, it was Paragon-Yoshi. I quoted his message to make it clear.

Did anybody see Sabi calling Fatman's bluff recently regarding his "leak" for future DLC?
Fatman is claiming 2 Indies are getting MII COSTUMES with a music remix accompanying each... but NO Indie fighters at all are coming.

Hypothetically, if what he says winds up being accurate, then Shantae is deconfirmed in the worst way possible. Seriously, people would be making Bikini Sans Miis if that happened (That would be a sick joke that would rub me the wrong way, because I already despise Sans as is).

However, this is Fatman we're talking about. Chances are he's not got the facts straight.

Fatman is a speculator, not a leaker. He says his "contacts believe" and mentions "rumors". The main issue is the way he presents the stuff, calling those people his "contacts", implying they are in the knowing, even though they are merely speculators like him. Nothing Fatman says is leaks.

 

[meleebrawler]

Sorry but i never like the idea for cuts in a fighting game. Echos are cool as they have slight differences, so dont want them gone either. I feel of you cut a character you cut a playstyle from the game someone may like a lot.

The issue isn't necessarily "cuts are bad", it's just that we as fans are simply the wrong people to ask about this sort of thing. Everyone has their own biases, trashes and treasures. I could say that Jigglypuff's inclusion is hanging by a thread that is her status as a 64 original with not much else in the way of relevance, but try telling that to the people who've fallen in love with walls of pain and Rest KOs over the years. Not to mention cuts are almost never the result of fan demand anyway, making it pretty pointless to discuss. It's always the result of time constraints, resources and hardware limitations.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Calm down, it was only an innocent little joke And I'm not from America X-)

Obligatory "Whoosh".

 

[zferolie]

I really think at least 1 indie will become playable this game. nintendo is pushing indie like nuts and they know how popular indie games are on their system. there will be 1 fighter.

I really think some of fastman's sources may not know all the info, and lots of leak bait and false news out there. Like I said, no one, not even any leaker, knew about Terry before nintendo screwed up, then the leakers got info about terry. I think many of these remaining dlc's will be the same. Sakurai has gotten super tight lips and closed most if not all leaks these last few months.

 

[MeteoRain]

Or maybe it was just easier and less time consuming to give him Link's moveset.

Toon Link had enough evidence in his low priority development with his Adventure Mode presence that he was likely chosen to pad out the Brawl roster while trying to pass it off as a Zelda newcomer.

The poor little guy was thrown under a bus. Although not as bad as Ganondorf, no one is more a martyr than Ganondorf.

 

[ChadTR]

I really think some of fastman's sources may not know all the info

They have no info whatsoever. As I said, his formulations are confusing so as to let people think they're in the knowing, but he simultaneously states that his contacts just "believe" and "think" stuff. Fatman is not a leaker and the info he gives have to be taken as his own speculations and that of his so-called "contacts".

 

[meleebrawler]

Toon Link had enough evidence in his low priority development with his Adventure Mode presence that he was likely chosen to pad out the Brawl roster while trying to pass it off as a Zelda newcomer.

What does that say about Wolf, though?

 

[MeteoRain]

What does that say about Wolf, though?

I feel like if given the time, Krystal might of gotten in before him. That said, the Star Fox franchise wasn't exactly in great shape at the time and only got worse from there.

However I love what they did with him now, he's my favorite returning vet in Ultimate. TLC really did him some justice, I don't miss those janky animations one damn bit.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

Toon Link had enough evidence in his low priority development with his Adventure Mode presence that he was likely chosen to pad out the Brawl roster while trying to pass it off as a Zelda newcomer.

The poor little guy was thrown under a bus. Although not as bad as Ganondorf, no one is more a martyr than Ganondorf.

Well, Ganondorf was a product of limited development time in Melee.
And Sakurai apparently refused to change his moveset into a more fitting one, to not alienate Ganondorf players, who got used to him the way he is.

It's very apparent that not all characters are given the same priority by him. At least when it comes to the first-party characters.
It seems that series like Fire Emblem have been given more care and love, while series like Metroid got the short end of the stick.
The obvious reason here being: Sakurai is a massive fan of Fire Emblem, while he seems to have no connection whatsoever to Metroid.
And some people suspect that "Frigate Orpheon", the Tutorial-Area of Metroid Prime, is the only Prime stage we have, simply because he never bothered playing the game any further.
Since he isn't a big Metroid-Fan.

And in a few cases, Sakurai does his own interpretation of a character, rather than purely sticking to canon.
Hence why we have Bowser being beastly and animalistic, rather than giving him the actual voice of canon Bowser.
Simply because that's how he viewed Bowser as a kid.