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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Guybrush20X6

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I think Nintendo will want to focus on Pokemon for the rest of November (be it filling their money bin or trying to stop Game Freak putting their feet in their mouths) so we won't hear anything until December at the earliest.

One thing that has me wondering though is that Sakurai's "live"stream was filmed a month ago and Terry was more or less complete. I'd take that to mean the 5th pass one is nearly done or they're hard at work on DLC Fighter no 7 (including Plant)
 

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Given the various technical and graphical glitches we've already seen, you might be surprised. Granted, Wonderwing and Yggdrasil aren't terribly boundary-pushing by themselves (Wonderwing might have been a balancing concern when they were drafting it), but I'm sure developers thought the same thing about Blanka's electric charge or many other oversights over the years. Ikki got changed because of programming issues (my 2D unique character interaction animations combined with the 3D treasure chest). For all we know, one of Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon standing on a section of breakaway bridge as the cannonball hits causes the game to freeze because both Risky/Tinkertub and the Pokémon Trainer are background objects. Who knows. Look at Terry's Buster Wolf vs. Popo.

The invincibility on the transformations that I posit (in the event that they don't want it to return Shantae to default state on interrupt ala Wonderwing) is both a technical and balancing challenge. A worthwhile challenge to explore, in my book. Same for the breakaway platforms.
Having to thoroughly playtest everything for bugs still doesn't make whatever they test a "new mechanic". How different can Risky blasting platforms be from King Bulbin blowing up the Bridge of Eldin or destroying the statues in Castle Siege?
I think Nintendo will want to focus on Pokemon for the rest of November (be it filling their money bin or trying to stop Game Freak putting their feet in their mouths) so we won't hear anything until December at the earliest.

One thing that has me wondering though is that Sakurai's "live"stream was filmed a month ago and Terry was more or less complete. I'd take that to mean the 5th pass one is nearly done or they're hard at work on DLC Fighter no 7 (including Plant)
If this is about Game Freak reiterating to not expect National Dex in future games, I can tell you that managing expectations is an important skill in my current line of work. Yes, it may enrage your clientele in the short term, but long term it will help prevent vitriol over the same things.
 
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If this is about Game Freak reiterating to not expect National Dex in future games, I can tell you that managing expectations is an important skill in my current line of work. Yes, it may enrage your clientele in the short term, but long term it will help prevent vitriol over the same things.
More the way they're handling it leaving a lot to be desired. They're giving off a lot of mixed messages and it's stirring up more controversy from it.

I respect what they do but I think this is the first time they've had such backlash and they don't quite know how to deal with it.
 
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When one has been with positive review for a long while till now for negative reviews, its sure to hurt one's morale big time.
 

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Having to thoroughly playtest everything for bugs still doesn't make whatever they test a "new mechanic". How different can Risky blasting platforms be from King Bulbin blowing up the Bridge of Eldin or destroying the statues in Castle Siege?
Because those hazards are in the foreground. One very close thing is the cannonballs coming from the towers in the Wind Waker stage that cause explosive damage on the Pirate Ship, but they don't break platforms. Bug and balance testing are simply a part of anything - reimplemented, borrowed, or new.
 

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@Fatmanonice from the Geno thread said that it is very likely that most of the DLC characters after the Season Pass will be fan requested ones. He is a Smashboards boomer who is in Sabi's private discord, so he is kind of in the know. Real awesome dude.
He also mentioned in one of his other posts in that thread that about 2 of the post-FP DLC fighters will be Spirits promoted to playable status. If Shantae isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character, there's a good chance that she could be one of these promotions.
 

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When one has been with positive review for a long while till now for negative reviews, its sure to hurt one's morale big time.
Plus, The Pokémon Company's habit of prompting games to promote other Pokémon media ASAP since XY was going to blow up in everyone's face sooner or later.

He also mentioned in one of his other posts in that thread that about 2 of the post-FP DLC fighters will be Spirits promoted to playable status. If Shantae isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character, there's a good chance that she could be one of these promotions.
Even more interesting. Although we don't concretely know how many other promotions could be coming, this is helpful.
 
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He also mentioned in one of his other posts in that thread that about 2 of the post-FP DLC fighters will be Spirits promoted to playable status. If Shantae isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character, there's a good chance that she could be one of these promotions.
Hm, hadn't heard about this one! Doubly interesting, because if the Vifram mecha toy was in fact for modeling the ST Falcon, its Spirit says "Battle Clash" with no "Series" indicator nor any other pointing towards Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge, and is the first model without the back-mounted cylindrical rod. So that would leave both Shantae and Geno open.
 
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Regarding Pokemon, this is all I will leave here:
Video includes some foul language.

That's all.
Back to the shadows...
 

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He also mentioned in one of his other posts in that thread that about 2 of the post-FP DLC fighters will be Spirits promoted to playable status. If Shantae isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character, there's a good chance that she could be one of these promotions.
I would freak if Shantae and Rex were the two promotions.

Please, please Sakurai...
 
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Given the various technical and graphical glitches we've already seen, you might be surprised. Granted, Wonderwing and Yggdrasil aren't terribly boundary-pushing by themselves (Wonderwing might have been a balancing concern when they were drafting it), but I'm sure developers thought the same thing about Blanka's electric charge or many other oversights over the years. Ikki got changed because of programming issues (my 2D unique character interaction animations combined with the 3D treasure chest). For all we know, one of Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon standing on a section of breakaway bridge as the cannonball hits causes the game to freeze because both Risky/Tinkertub and the Pokémon Trainer are background objects. Who knows. Look at Terry's Buster Wolf vs. Popo.

The invincibility on the transformations that I posit (in the event that they don't want it to return Shantae to default state on interrupt ala Wonderwing) is both a technical and balancing challenge. A worthwhile challenge to explore, in my book. Same for the breakaway platforms.

Wouldnt Meta Knight's stage count? The laser from.the background. Mix that with Eldin Bridge or the Brawl Kid Icarus stage and I could see background hazard breaking platforms being coded easily. I don't think we haven't anything that specifically does that yet but it isnt unfeasible. Heck, a scrolling stage with the lighthouse, scuttle town, desert into water lands could cycle throughnti reference the metroidvania map too.

Any character(s) from a video game series we know has a tag team mechanic?
If this wasnt proven fake immediately, I'd suggest resident evil. Leon/Chris with Jill/Claire. Even then I wouldnt completely dismiss it. Have ZSS paired up with Snake borrowing code from ice climbers for testing. I'd still expect a solo fighter more, but Res Evil does have a few co op games. And "going through **** with your partner" is a reoccurring theme, even in the single player campaigns.
 

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More the way they're handling it leaving a lot to be desired. They're giving off a lot of mixed messages and it's stirring up more controversy from it.

I respect what they do but I think this is the first time they've had such backlash and they don't quite know how to deal with it.
They kinda brought it on themselves tho. Controversial decisions aside, they made a lot of terrible moves when addressing )or avoiding in some cases) the situation. I don;t think they will be talking too much about Pokemon this month because right now the best thing they can do is keep quiet. They made a choice in not properly informing and advertising to the main public that these games aren't including every pokemon. And because of that lots of fans are going to be buying the games only to be disappointed that certain favorites of theirs can't be gotten, but they already gave GF their money.

Also everyone at GF should have the sense to stay off of social media right now because all their big three have gotten themselves in hot water because of it.
 

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He also mentioned in one of his other posts in that thread that about 2 of the post-FP DLC fighters will be Spirits promoted to playable status. If Shantae isn't the fifth Fighters Pass character, there's a good chance that she could be one of these promotions.
I'm sceptical on that claim but I'll go along with it for the sake of conversation.

In terms of minorly represented 3rd parties that only opens the door to Shantae, Rayman and (groan) the Raving Rabbids. Shovel Knight is an Assist Trophy so for now, that locks him out. Unless they replace the SK AT with Black Knight but that would get very confusing considering there's already a Black Knight AT for another series.

It opens things a lot more for Nintendo series though. Dixie Kong is the first one who springs to mind, followed by Elma, Min-min and Poochy
 
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If this wasnt proven fake immediately, I'd suggest resident evil. Leon/Chris with Jill/Claire. Even then I wouldnt completely dismiss it. Have ZSS paired up with Snake borrowing code from ice climbers for testing. I'd still expect a solo fighter more, but Res Evil does have a few co op games. And "going through **** with your partner" is a reoccurring theme, even in the single player campaigns.
The Project X Zone games have everyone fight in tag teams, with an occasional extra assist character.
 

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I know all of us have come across the irrational arguments online against Shantae, how do you haters would react to seeing Shantae revealed as FP5?
 

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Well it’s the internet. I would be lying if I didn’t sit back and enjoy the ensuing chaos lol
 
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I know all of us have come across the irrational arguments online against Shantae, how do you haters would react to seeing Shantae revealed as FP5?
They'll fire a parting shot about how "WayForward is a terrible company" and that we'll all regret Shantae as a pick eventually before they have no choice but to sit down and be humble.

Even if WF has done whatever, the studio that wanted a female lead with quirky humor and makes games for other companies while risking their proceeds to make their own games deserves a second chance and the capital that comes with "15 Minutes of Fame" to break out of any cycles or slumps that might be causing those things.

And roster choices aren't gonna do anything to this franchise. Gameplay stagnation and such are far more perilous.
 
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I know all of us have come across the irrational arguments online against Shantae, how do you haters would react to seeing Shantae revealed as FP5?
"If it's sharp, if it cuts, enjoy yourself." -Journey, "Edge of the Blade"
Meanwhile, I'll be belting out some "Van-Hagar," if you don't mind.
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I know all of us have come across the irrational arguments online against Shantae, how do you haters would react to seeing Shantae revealed as FP5?
They explode like the B-K detractors, shrug, and move on to the next most popular character choice to question getting in.

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Alternatively, they go through the Seven Stages of Grief in like 20 seconds.
 
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They'll fire a parting shot about how "WayForward is a terrible company" and that we'll all regret Shantae as a pick eventually before they have no choice but to sit down and be humble.

Even if WF has done whatever, the studio that wanted a female lead with quirky humor and makes games for other companies while risking their proceeds to make their own games deserves a second chance and the capital that comes with "15 Minutes of Fame" to break out of any cycles or slumps that might be causing those things.

And roster choices aren't gonna do anything to this franchise. Gameplay stagnation and such are far more perilous.
So basically, the same thing that happens when a new Pokemon game releases.

 

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They explode like the B-K detractors, shrug, and move on to the next most popular character choice to question getting in.


Alternatively, they go through the Seven Stages of Grief in like 20 seconds.
Nah they'll go to calling Sakurai a list of slurs and profanities and how he needs to be fired and killed.
 

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So if SHantae does get in, even if you don't care overall, what intial tier placement would you want her to have? I'd want her to be high tier cause then we'd get meme pics of her wasting the Smash Cast. Like when Bayonetta first debuted to Smash.
 
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So I asked Fatmanonice a question and got a fairly interesting response.


<Moraven116 > I know you have to be extremely vague and ambiguous at best, but I wonder have you heard any whispers of female reps or even any in discussion? I'm just sort of amazed how few ladies we've seen so far in Ultimate.

<Fatmanonice> That's ironically fairly specific because there aren't a lot of female characters that are regularly talked about. Saying yes or no to that is way too big of a can of worms. Along with that, I don't say everyone because of potential leak bait or just the simple reality that it's not definitive. Chuck E. Cheese could be coming and nobody will have heard anything. Terry was all but unknown until two days before.
 

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So if SHantae does get in, even if you don't care overall, what intial tier placement would you want her to have? I'd want her to be high tier cause then we'd get meme pics of her wasting the Smash Cast. Like when Bayonetta first debuted to Smash.
This is a question that really only matters if you don't care for a character, full-stop. The only kind of person that doesn't want a character to be as high as possible without being game-breaking is a hipster who only plays low tiers, and they don't have any particular attachment to any character because of that.

What's next, a question on what color of socks you plan on wearing if Shantae is revealed?
 

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This is a question that really only matters if you don't care for a character, full-stop. The only kind of person that doesn't want a character to be as high as possible without being game-breaking is a hipster who only plays low tiers, and they don't have any particular attachment to any character because of that.

What's next, a question on what color of socks you plan on wearing if Shantae is revealed?
My blue ones with black heels and tips.
 
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This is a question that really only matters if you don't care for a character, full-stop. The only kind of person that doesn't want a character to be as high as possible without being game-breaking is a hipster who only plays low tiers, and they don't have any particular attachment to any character because of that.

What's next, a question on what color of socks you plan on wearing if Shantae is revealed?
I'll stick with plain white socks, thank you very much.
 

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So I asked Fatmanonice a question and got a fairly interesting response.


<Moraven116 > I know you have to be extremely vague and ambiguous at best, but I wonder have you heard any whispers of female reps or even any in discussion? I'm just sort of amazed how few ladies we've seen so far in Ultimate.

<Fatmanonice> That's ironically fairly specific because there aren't a lot of female characters that are regularly talked about. Saying yes or no to that is way too big of a can of worms. Along with that, I don't say everyone because of potential leak bait or just the simple reality that it's not definitive. Chuck E. Cheese could be coming and nobody will have heard anything. Terry was all but unknown until two days before.
That's good that you asked him that, but it's best to keep it contained in this thread. Some folks are going super-impatient because there aren't any standalone female DLC characters in this cycle yet.
 

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So if SHantae does get in, even if you don't care overall, what intial tier placement would you want her to have? I'd want her to be high tier cause then we'd get meme pics of her wasting the Smash Cast. Like when Bayonetta first debuted to Smash.
I actually imagine that should she be announced (regardless of how useful we will find her to be later) critics of her are going to compare her to the Bayonetta release last time "Geeze, another magical chick who fights with her hair." "All those transformations are going to make her so unbalance" "so she is basically Zero SUit Samus AND Pokemon Trainer? yeah, that's fair"
 
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