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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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KoopaSaki

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Alright guys. I am coming here from the Isaac thread. It's going to be hard for me to accept Isaac's fate, but I will keep supporting Shantae with all of you. I will not stop my quest to bring in a golden sun representative as I feel that series deserves much more than Nintendo gives it, but I will hope to god that Shantae was not denied as well. I believe we still have a chance for her and I hope you guys keep your heads up high, You still have a chance after all. Don't waste it.
 

Hyfiner

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Well this isn't the best timeline, and it isn't the worst, but it's most definitely the weirdest.
Never would I ever have expected a ****ing plant to be a playable fighter in Ultimate but Sakurai is one to subvert expectations so it's not totally uncalled for.

Shantae getting Spirited was disappointing but trophies have become fighters before so it's not a total lost cause.

Besides it's not as heart-wrenching as being snowglobed like others. My condolences to all the Issac, Shadow and Springman fans out there. I didn't have any connections to them but even I was in pain just watching that section.

Also I'm still not sure where Rex stands. Sakurai said he couldn't make it in the base roster so he compromised for a Mii costume. But does that count him out for DLC? It's just a wierd circumstance.

In summary:
Many dreams were crushed
Vergben was right all along
and Kirby is the true ultimate life form
 

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"Treated people like crap"

As though Sakurai went out of his way to disappoint you on purpose?

And the easiest Smash to make based on what? Ultimate probably took a lot from Sm4sh. But Sm4sh took a lot from Brawl and Brawl took a lot from Melee. Doesn't change the fact that all of the new content that needed to be added still took a lot of work.

Right off the helm of Sm4sh, they pull him back and make him develop another game. He added a good chunk of content to make Ultimate all it's own and that includes of lot of things people have been asking for; newcomers like Ridley, Simon, and K. Rool, every veteran returns, almost every stage returns, hazard toggle, FS meter, lots of the usual additions in items, assists, Pokemon, etc. The amount of content in this game is absurd and yet people ask as though it has less than every game before it.

The absence of trophies was unfortunate, I'm a bit disappointed about it as well, but bringing over and at times having to create brand new models from scratch in a game already filled to the brim with content is going to take time away that could be spent doing something else. I'll always prefer trophies, but spirits are a fair compromise given that it allows for even more characters to at least show up in some form while actually taking up less space in the games files and freeing up a bit of time and manpower to work on the rest of the game.

There's a lot of new content in this game just like every Smash before it, and the sheer amount of total content dwarfs that of past games. If said content doesn't wow you or fit your particular tastes, or there are aspects you just disagree with and dislike that's fine, but you're going to call Sakurai a hypocrite for trying his damn hardest to please people with all this fanservice in a series that's already full of it?

You just sound entitled.
I have King K Rool, i wanted him since melee. Ken is my favority SF character and Incineroar was my most wanted Pokemon, I'm fine with the game's content. It doesn't change that I think Sakurai treated like crap many fans (especially Golden Sun's fans).
Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy Sakurai's storytelling about how hard it is to make a Smash Bros, it's just basic marketing.
I'm sorry to think that glorified stickers are lame. I'm sorry to think that taking pre-existing images of many characters is just easy to do.

Also, while I love having Ridley and K Rool in the game, they should have been in Smash Bros since Brawl.
 

LaBeteNoire

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Alright guys. I am coming here from the Isaac thread. It's going to be hard for me to accept Isaac's fate, but I will keep supporting Shantae with all of you. I will not stop my quest to bring in a golden sun representative as I feel that series deserves much more than Nintendo gives it, but I will hope to god that Shantae was not denied as well. I believe we still have a chance for her and I hope you guys keep your heads up high, You still have a chance after all. Don't waste it.
Yeah, we are all brothers and sister in mourning right now. Isaac was a real shame (too many good characters shot down as AT's Isaac, Ashley, Krystal, Skullkid, Tiki...)

All I can say is that there are plenty of characters that have now been shown as spirits that, if not DLC, seem like real over sights. Geno, Dixie and Shantae (along others) only being glorified png's while an item from Mario Kart 8 is a playable fighter is a real problem for me...
 
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I have King K Rool, i wanted him since melee. Ken is my favority SF character and Incineroar was my most wanted Pokemon, I'm fine with the game's content. It doesn't change that I think Sakurai treated like crap many fans (especially Golden Sun's fans).
Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy Sakurai's storytelling about how hard it is to make a Smash Bros, it's just basic marketing.
I'm sorry to think that glorified stickers are lame. I'm sorry to think that taking pre-existing images of many characters is just easy to do.

Also, while I love having Ridley and K Rool in the game, they should have been in Smash Bros since Brawl.
To be honest I didn't like incineroar as a Pokemon, but as a Smash Bros fighter he looks fun as heel ',: )
 

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I have King K Rool, i wanted him since melee. Ken is my favority SF character and Incineroar was my most wanted Pokemon, I'm fine with the game's content. It doesn't change that I think Sakurai treated like crap many fans (especially Golden Sun's fans).
Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy Sakurai's storytelling about how hard it is to make a Smash Bros, it's just basic marketing.
I'm sorry to think that glorified stickers are lame. I'm sorry to think that taking pre-existing images of many characters is just easy to do.

Also, while I love having Ridley and K Rool in the game, they should have been in Smash Bros since Brawl.
Seeing Assist Trophies as mockeries is a thing you and many other fans do.
It's not what Sakurai does.

Like I said before, Assist Trophies are still seen as valuable assets by Sakurai.
Characters that could not be realized as fighters, but still deserved representation.
So in a way, it's a Bronze medal.
(Gold Medal = Unique Fighter, Silver Medal = Echo Fighter)


EDIT: What's up with Smashboards?! It takes so long to load anything! o_O
 
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conTAgi0n

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Now that I've had a chance to cool down, I suppose this isn't a terrible scenario for Shantae, considering that Spirit status probably is not deconfirmation after all. We still don't know that for sure though. Official recognition is still something, demonstrates that she is at least not off their radar.

Alright guys. I am coming here from the Isaac thread. It's going to be hard for me to accept Isaac's fate, but I will keep supporting Shantae with all of you. I will not stop my quest to bring in a golden sun representative as I feel that series deserves much more than Nintendo gives it, but I will hope to god that Shantae was not denied as well. I believe we still have a chance for her and I hope you guys keep your heads up high, You still have a chance after all. Don't waste it.
If it makes you feel any better, I for one and still not convinced that there's no hope for Assist Trophies to be upgraded to playable fighters.
I have King K Rool, i wanted him since melee. Ken is my favority SF character and Incineroar was my most wanted Pokemon, I'm fine with the game's content. It doesn't change that I think Sakurai treated like crap many fans (especially Golden Sun's fans).
Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy Sakurai's storytelling about how hard it is to make a Smash Bros, it's just basic marketing.
I'm sorry to think that glorified stickers are lame. I'm sorry to think that taking pre-existing images of many characters is just easy to do.

Also, while I love having Ridley and K Rool in the game, they should have been in Smash Bros since Brawl.
I wouldn't say Sakurai treated anyone like crap, it's not like he was talking **** on Twitter or something. I think when fanbases get snubbed, it's more a matter of him having had to make some tough decisions, or just being out of touch with what fans want. It's even possible that he lobbies for certain popular characters and Nintendo higher ups shut him down. We don't really know, so I wouldn't take any of his decisions personally. Doesn't mean you can't be salty, but I wouldn't go so far as to interpret any of Sakurai's choices as a personal snub. Insensitive of him at worst.
 

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Okay. Caught up on all this. Honestly, as disappointing as it was to end on Ken and Incineroar, they look great. While Isaac being an assist trophy again hurts, they did give him some new things to do. The story mode trailer was awesome. Pirahna Plant is hilarious. And there is still hope as long as we make our voices heard. Never give up, never surrender! #ShantaeForSmashDLC!
 

DoctorFate

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Seeing Assist Trophies as mockeries is a thing you and many other fans do.
It's not what Sakurai does.

Like I said before, Assist Trophies are still seen as valuable assets by Sakurai.
Characters that could not be realized as fighters, but still deserved representation.
So in a way, it's a Bronze medal.
(Gold Medal = Unique Fighter, Silver Medal = Echo Fighter)


EDIT: What's up with Smashboards?! It takes so long to load anything! o_O
I think that might be the problem some people have. The don't want to watch a computer play a character they love. They want to play that character. Like, I don't really blame them for that mind set.
 

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I have King K Rool, i wanted him since melee. Ken is my favority SF character and Incineroar was my most wanted Pokemon, I'm fine with the game's content. It doesn't change that I think Sakurai treated like crap many fans (especially Golden Sun's fans).
Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy Sakurai's storytelling about how hard it is to make a Smash Bros, it's just basic marketing.
I'm sorry to think that glorified stickers are lame. I'm sorry to think that taking pre-existing images of many characters is just easy to do.

Also, while I love having Ridley and K Rool in the game, they should have been in Smash Bros since Brawl.
Everyone will prioritize different things. It just bothers me that people take it as a personal slight that Sakurai doesn't prioritize the things they personally want. If you're disappointed that's fine, pretty sure most were underwhelmed by this direct either way. However, I think it's extremely unfair to Sakurai to treat things as though he's purposefully "mistreating" certain fanbases because you know that isn't the case.

If someone else were director things would be no different. We'd have a roster filled with different characters and a game filled with different content. People would complain about certain things not being there just as they are now.

As for Spirits, I'm not arguing that it's easier to include image files over full models because it definitely is, but it's a compromise I'm willing to accept given everything else we're getting.

I'm a Golden Sun fan too, I wish Isaac had gotten in, but if you take it personally that's on you.

I'm not going to sit here and defend every decision he's made, because I find fault with plenty myself, but I'm not going to get upset by it and call him a hypocrite because it's not entirely to my tastes.

If you think Sakurai's treating fans like crap then I suppose I can only express that I disagree, because I have no idea how you'd arrive at that conclusion.

I get where you're coming from but only part way. The rest seems like taking it too personally.
 
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Teeb147

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Oh really? Awesome! Now I really need to see her in action!
yeah :) Just dont compare her to isabelle because she's fast too.

But yeah, Im glad we saw them, but looks like it's already over??
They really shoudlve shown more. but i think we'll see more footage from all around the world from here on out.
 
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KoopaSaki

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This whole assist trophy promotion to playable fighters theory is something I want to get hyped behind, but I am not so sure if it can work regarding this quote given here:

Sakurai did clarify that the new characters coming in for download would not be returning characters, which makes sense as the game has the entire series roster so far, and will not be Echo fighters, his term for characters based closely on existing fighters.

My take on this would be that Assist trophies count as returning characters as Isaac and Waluigi have appeared in earlier smash bros games and DLC will only be onto new characters only that haven't had any representation before. Does anyone think or can even prove otherwise?
 

Hyfiner

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Seeing Assist Trophies as mockeries is a thing you and many other fans do.
It's not what Sakurai does.

Like I said before, Assist Trophies are still seen as valuable assets by Sakurai.
Characters that could not be realized as fighters, but still deserved representation.
So in a way, it's a Bronze medal.
(Gold Medal = Unique Fighter, Silver Medal = Echo Fighter)


EDIT: What's up with Smashboards?! It takes so long to load anything! o_O
While Sakurai definitely has good intentions with assist trophies, the message that it sends is less than satisfactory for the fans.

Imagine playing a sport like Basketball. A few seconds are left on the clock and you make the shot to win the game. You see the basketball teeter on the edge of the hoop for a few seconds before eventually falling to the side. That disappointment is what people feel when their favorite character gets assigned to a snowglobe

The models and abilities exist in the game and them being a fighter is almost a reality. But these characters are only available for the AI to play instead of the player as if you can only watch them through a glass-pane window.

I'm not saying that I justify people downplaying Assist Trophies but I can definitely sympathize with where that anger comes form.
 

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Confirmed as a spirit but since I saw male wii fit trainer also confirmed as a spirit I’m going to hold out hope for DLC
 

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This whole assist trophy promotion to playable fighters theory is something I want to get hyped behind, but I am not so sure if it can work regarding this quote given here:

Sakurai did clarify that the new characters coming in for download would not be returning characters, which makes sense as the game has the entire series roster so far, and will not be Echo fighters, his term for characters based closely on existing fighters.

My take on this would be that Assist trophies count as returning characters as Isaac and Waluigi have appeared in earlier smash bros games and DLC will only be onto new characters only that haven't had any representation before. Does anyone think or can even prove otherwise?
Going from ATs to fighters within the same game seems rather unlikely, but I wouldn't say that the idea should be ruled out. There's precedent for ATs becoming playable after all, and with all the focus on highly requested fan picks I could Sakurai once again doing the unexpected and upgrading a character that's already in as AT, Spirit, etc. if there's enough demand for it. I think it's going to take a LOT of vocal demand though.
 

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This whole assist trophy promotion to playable fighters theory is something I want to get hyped behind, but I am not so sure if it can work regarding this quote given here:

Sakurai did clarify that the new characters coming in for download would not be returning characters, which makes sense as the game has the entire series roster so far, and will not be Echo fighters, his term for characters based closely on existing fighters.

My take on this would be that Assist trophies count as returning characters as Isaac and Waluigi have appeared in earlier smash bros games and DLC will only be onto new characters only that haven't had any representation before. Does anyone think or can even prove otherwise?
Yeah but that was from one game to another not within the same game period. I think you meant regular Trophy to playable as was the case for both Mewtwo and Lucas in WII U/3DS.
 

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Seeing Assist Trophies as mockeries is a thing you and many other fans do.
It's not what Sakurai does.

Like I said before, Assist Trophies are still seen as valuable assets by Sakurai.
Characters that could not be realized as fighters, but still deserved representation.
So in a way, it's a Bronze medal.
(Gold Medal = Unique Fighter, Silver Medal = Echo Fighter)


EDIT: What's up with Smashboards?! It takes so long to load anything! o_O
Spirits sound like Bronze Medal, but i feel they have the best chance as being DLC because they need full models built, and Sakurai said they haven't started anything yet. Plus I doubt an AT will get move to playable this game sadly.

The forums are being flooded with people, servers can't handle it.

And Man, this Lightworld theme is great. If you guys just want to hear it, here it is in ENG and JP


 

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Drew this to remind everyone she's not out of the running quite yet! We don't know the status of spirits and DLC, there might even be more than 5 DLC characters. Only time will tell

That being said
I thiiiiiink I'm gonna get off the hype train with this. I'll always love the Shantae games and she'll always be my number 1 Smash pick, but this exact thing has happened to be before in Smash 4. Ever since the game was announced all I wanted were Ice Climbers. Up until release all I asked was "where are the ICs?", game comes out with no ICs and I was crushed. DLC was announced and it started up again, I was super into the ballot and everything. Final Smash Direct--no ICs. It was a horrible experience.
I can see that happening again with Shantae, and honestly I'm really tired of it. I'd much rather just appreciate that I finally DID get my Ice Climbers and just love Ultimate for what it is. This whole time all I was asking for was closure-Is Shantae in Smash? She is, as a Spirit, that's pretty good. Will she get promoted? Maybe, I don't know. I'd much rather just enjoy what I have instead of constantly yearning for more and in turn, constantly disappointed. I love Smash, but I will openly admit that I'm still extremely bitter about Corrin and probably always will be, and I don't really wanna go through that again. I'll accept any DLC fighter with open arms as long as it's not more FE garbage I swear to GOD.

I don't mean to add on the negativity, but the fact that Sakurai saw fit to make the the ballot, then see the Smash fanbase yearning for Isaac, or Shadow, or Geno, or Skull Kid and then actively choose to develop Piranha Plant as a full fledged fighter really makes me believe he only selected K. Rool before getting rid of the ballot entirely, and if that's the case, I just don't know if our voices will ever truly be heard.

I don't know if I'll keep coming back to Smashboards or not, I probably will, but primarily to discuss the gameplay instead of spending another agonizing year speculating Shantae's chances-this was hellish honestly.

Anyway, it's been really fun, don't give up the good fight, ciao for now.
 
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While Sakurai definitely has good intentions with assist trophies, the message that it sends is less than satisfactory for the fans.

Imagine playing a sport like Basketball. A few seconds are left on the clock and you make the shot to win the game. You see the basketball teeter on the edge of the hoop for a few seconds before eventually falling to the side. That disappointment is what people feel when their favorite character gets assigned to a snowglobe

The models and abilities exist in the game and them being a fighter is almost a reality. But these characters are only available for the AI to play instead of the player as if you can only watch them through a glass-pane window.

I'm not saying that I justify people downplaying Assist Trophies but I can definitely sympathize with where that anger comes form.
I would say the message it sends is meant to be positive. Fans choose to receive and interpret it negatively. I can't say I blame them for feeling the way they do as it's understandable to a degree, but a lot become bitter over it.
 
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I'm glad that Shantae got some sort of presence in this.

It means Nintendo knows about her.

I still doubt she'll actually happen for this game in the future, but it is promising for future titles in the franchise for me. It ain't no deconfirmation, but I still won't hold my breath.

Just my opinion n all.
 

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This whole assist trophy promotion to playable fighters theory is something I want to get hyped behind, but I am not so sure if it can work regarding this quote given here:

Sakurai did clarify that the new characters coming in for download would not be returning characters, which makes sense as the game has the entire series roster so far, and will not be Echo fighters, his term for characters based closely on existing fighters.

My take on this would be that Assist trophies count as returning characters as Isaac and Waluigi have appeared in earlier smash bros games and DLC will only be onto new characters only that haven't had any representation before. Does anyone think or can even prove otherwise?
I think all he meant by that was that unlike in Smash 4, none of those DLC spots will be taken by returning vets, just by virtue of the fact that all returning vets are already in it. I didn't interpret him as making some arbitrary stipulation that DLC characters are not allowed to have appeared in a Smash game before in any capacity.

That said, hype responsibly. I think it's an unfounded assumption that AT characters are off the table, but that doesn't mean they we know they aren't either. We're all in kind of an uncertain place right now.
 

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I made a guarantee that Isaac, Skull Kid, Shantae, and Geno will be playable months back. Isaac and Skull Kid are down. But Geno and Shantae are still strong.
 

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I think that might be the problem some people have. The don't want to watch a computer play a character they love. They want to play that character. Like, I don't really blame them for that mind set.
I get that. And it's not that what I critcize.

But rather, people saying Sakurai is insulting them, for making characters like Isaac Assist Trophies and not fighters.
Which is not the case...

While Sakurai definitely has good intentions with assist trophies, the message that it sends is less than satisfactory for the fans.

Imagine playing a sport like Basketball. A few seconds are left on the clock and you make the shot to win the game. You see the basketball teeter on the edge of the hoop for a few seconds before eventually falling to the side. That disappointment is what people feel when their favorite character gets assigned to a snowglobe

The models and abilities exist in the game and them being a fighter is almost a reality. But these characters are only available for the AI to play instead of the player as if you can only watch them through a glass-pane window.

I'm not saying that I justify people downplaying Assist Trophies but I can definitely sympathize with where that anger comes form.
Sorry, but you certainly missed the part where I said "Couldn't be realized as fighters".
If Sakurai had a proper vision for Isaac as a fighter, he would've made him one.
But sadly, it seems that Sakurai couldn't produce enough concepts and ideas for Isaac to be a Fighter.

But he still wanted to give Isaac representation.
So Assist Trophy was the only option.


While I get the disappointment, don't be too greedy.
And especially don't think Sakurai is doing this to deliberately hurt your feelings.
That's not what he intends to do with Assist Trophies.

Understand it, get over it and move on...
 
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What if they make another ballot for dlc characters?
I think that would be a good time to rally as many supporters as we can, and there's more than ever, i think.
 

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Im gonna start being more active in posting on here since I feel like this oddly puts points for AND against Shantae getting in as DLC.

as they say the brightest lights shine in the deepest darkness.
 

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I don't know if they would, but that's certainly a possibility. Even though, the ballot didn't really matter much for Sm4sh's DLC.
It didn't matter as much cause the ballot was more for their upcoming Smash game on the Switch as opposed to milking out the Wii U/3DS version. Considering that Nintendo wants to stick with the Switch for a good long while, I see no reason why the ballot wouldn't be completely accurate (minus stupid votes like Shrek and Goku, or ones that just aren't possible to get the rights to).
 
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I don't know if they would, but that's certainly a possibility. Even though, the ballot didn't really matter much for Sm4sh's DLC...
DLC for this game should last longer. They even already have one dlc character. (altho for a a little while after)

The season pass is for one year, but there's probably going to be more.
5 each year could make things interesting.
 

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Drew this to remind everyone she's not out of the running quite yet! We don't know the status of spirits and DLC, there might even be more than 5 DLC characters. Only time will tell

That being said
I thiiiiiink I'm gonna get off the hype train with this. I'll always love the Shantae games and she'll always be my number 1 Smash pick, but this exact thing has happened to be before in Smash 4. Ever since the game was announced all I wanted were Ice Climbers. Up until release all I asked was "where are the ICs?", game comes out with no ICs and I was crushed. DLC was announced and it started up again, I was super into the ballot and everything. Final Smash Direct--no ICs. It was a horrible experience.
I can see that happening again with Shantae, and honestly I'm really tired of it. I'd much rather just appreciate that I finally DID get my Ice Climbers and just love Ultimate for what it is. This whole time all I was asking for was closure-Is Shantae in Smash? She is, as a Spirit, that's pretty good. Will she get promoted? Maybe, I don't know. I'd much rather just enjoy what I have instead of constantly yearning for more and in turn, constantly disappointed. I love Smash, but I will openly admit that I'm still extremely bitter about Corrin and probably always will be, and I don't really wanna go through that again. I'll accept any DLC fighter with open arms as long as it's not more FE garbage I swear to GOD.

I don't mean to add on the negativity, but the fact that Sakurai saw fit to make the the ballot, then see the Smash fanbase yearning for Isaac, or Shadow, or Geno, or Skull Kid and then actively choose to develop Piranha Plant as a full fledged fighter really makes me believe he only selected K. Rool before getting rid of the ballot entirely, and if that's the case, I just don't know if our voices will ever truly be heard.

I don't know if I'll keep coming back to Smashboards or not, I probably will, but primarily to discuss the gameplay instead of spending another agonizing year speculating Shantae's chances-this was hellish honestly.

Anyway, it's been really fun, don't give up the good fight, ciao for now.

Great artwork this. But sad to see you leaving the hype train. Yeah, its going to really suck if we have to wait so long and never get her. I hope someone at Wayforward can at least say no shes not planned for DLC...

I think Sakurai just wanted to add his WTF character with Pirahana plant, not just to **** with fans. It may feel that way but I doubt that was his intention
 

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I think Sakurai just wanted to add his WTF character with Pirahana plant, not just to **** with fans. It may feel that way but I doubt that was his intention
This. People don't seem to realize that he isn't just making a game to please others. That way leads to soulless focus tested mediocrity. Sakurai also makes games for himself too. He just really loves these kind of wacky outta nowhere picks and derives joy from implementing them. It's part of what gives his series' his signature charm.

Seriously people, not everything is about you. Sometimes, a weird pick is just a weird pick, not some sort of personal attack on you or the fanbase.
 
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Didnt someone say they saw something about a song that was a tinfoil thought about Shantae in the Direct?
 

Teeb147

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Well it seems that Young Link's Final Smash is Triforce Slash.

Yeh, not only that but the other stuff i saw from young link makes me a tad disappointed in the character. But Im sure there's plenty of people who'll enjoy him nonetheless.
Im curious to see how toon link is in contrast, but we dont have footage yet :/
 

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Well this isn't the best timeline, and it isn't the worst, but it's most definitely the weirdest.
Never would I ever have expected a ****ing plant to be a playable fighter in Ultimate but Sakurai is one to subvert expectations so it's not totally uncalled for.

Shantae getting Spirited was disappointing but trophies have become fighters before so it's not a total lost cause.

Besides it's not as heart-wrenching as being snowglobed like others. My condolences to all the Issac, Shadow and Springman fans out there. I didn't have any connections to them but even I was in pain just watching that section.

Also I'm still not sure where Rex stands. Sakurai said he couldn't make it in the base roster so he compromised for a Mii costume. But does that count him out for DLC? It's just a wierd circumstance.

In summary:
Many dreams were crushed
Vergben was right all along
and Kirby is the true ultimate life form
It's too bad Verg will potentially continue to ruin surprises ahead of time, so his word has surely become gospel to a lot of people again.

Yeah...I expected a WTF character, but not one that's essentially a promoted boss in disguise. Points for that, I suppose.

One thing I'm not sure about myself; will World Of Light be a series of boss fights, or will it have occasional levels? Can't say I expected a Cuphead approach for this one if the former.

Also, you forgot something for the summary: Ken got his reveal hijacked.
 

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The new enemy to face in this game is called Galeem. What's it purpose, we won't know till the game comes out on December 7th.
 

Teeb147

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It's too bad Verg will potentially continue to ruin surprises ahead of time, so his word has surely become gospel to a lot of people again.

Yeah...I expected a WTF character, but not one that's essentially a promoted boss in disguise. Points for that, I suppose.

One thing I'm not sure about myself; will World Of Light be a series of boss fights, or will it have occasional levels? Can't say I expected a Cuphead approach for this one if the former.

Also, you forgot something for the summary: Ken got his reveal hijacked.
I wonder if Connor had a meltdown after seeing that verge was right.

I didnt trust verge, but I knew he would have 'some' information right. Didnt think it'd end up like this tho.
 
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