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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Mango The Magician

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I should clarify that I'm not "jumping ship" (I don't know if I'm one of the ones that you're talking about) I'm merely airing on the pessimistic side to keep expectations low, whilst also trying to move less from team fake for the leak to team IDK as I know that part of the reason I'm so team fake is because of how much I want Shantae to be a base fighter. I'm also not outright ruling out the possibility of DLC, I'm just aware that Nintendo hasn't said anything yet and when asked about it they gave a "maybe, maybe not" answer.

That said, I'm trying not to bring yall down and I'm trying not to be pessimistic here because I know it can be upsetting, so if I have upset anyone I do apologize.
 

Wwlink55

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I should clarify that I'm not "jumping ship" (I don't know if I'm one of the ones that you're talking about) I'm merely airing on the pessimistic side to keep expectations low, whilst also trying to move less from team fake for the leak to team IDK as I know that part of the reason I'm so team fake is because of how much I want Shantae to be a base fighter. I'm also not outright ruling out the possibility of DLC, I'm just aware that Nintendo hasn't said anything yet and when asked about it they gave a "maybe, maybe not" answer.

That said, I'm trying not to bring yall down and I'm trying not to be pessimistic here because I know it can be upsetting, so if I have upset anyone I do apologize.
While I understand your intentions, I do think that it often derails discussion rather than help it. I often wake up to a bunch of people becoming absolutely negative even though nothing changed within that time, and I have no idea why it keeps happening specifically.

Although, to be honest, you were not who I was talking about in my post, if that makes you feel any better.
 

Hollywoodrok12

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Im starting to think more and more that, if the leak is real, she is one of the missing characters. Considering her popularity, on top of how popular she is as a go-to indie character by Nintendo, yet again on top of her immense moveset potential and personality, even further on top of her popularity within the current speculation cycle (2nd most discussed newcomer on Smashboards!).
(This is a legitimate question. Not me being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic.)

Why do you assume that there are more characters who aren't on the banner? I wouldn't think that they'd have anyone else to reveal after that many reveals, unless they were a Mewtwo-type character for DLC, because they wouldn't just reveal characters without adding them to the banner. Every time someone is revealed, they add them to the banner, so it wouldn't make sense to just withhold them because they feel like it. I know it's possible for there to be another reveal after, but that's highly unlikely, since Sakurai wanted to avoid this kind of situation.

I also know that some sources said there was one or two others, like Incineroar, but I'm pretty sure those were meant to catch leakers.

Also, I know you're talking about me, so I'm going to say "Me jumping ship" means that I'm not expecting it to turn out well. As I said before, I'm expecting her to be an AT, but I'm hoping she's a fighter. I either in a really bad mood or just trying to point something out whenever I come off as pessimistic, and for that I apologize)
 

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While I understand your intentions, I do think that it often derails discussion rather than help it. I often wake up to a bunch of people becoming absolutely negative even though nothing changed within that time, and I have no idea why it keeps happening specifically.

Although, to be honest, you were not who I was talking about in my post, if that makes you feel any better.
If this is about me, I'll have you know that I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of jumping ship or giving up hope of Shantae being playable. Only a hard disconfirmation like Shantae being shown as an AT can convince me otherwise.
 

TOY the Gamer

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I'm not jumping ship. I may be in Team Real on this one, but if all these sources coming out are saying that there's at least two characters (besides Incineroar) that are missing from the banner, then I hope Shantae is one of them (assuming she isn't already an Assist Trophy).
 
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Wwlink55

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(This is a legitimate question. Not me being pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic.)

Why do you assume that there are more characters who aren't on the banner? I wouldn't think that they'd have anyone else to reveal after that many reveals, unless they were a Mewtwo-type character for DLC, because they wouldn't just reveal characters without adding them to the banner. Every time someone is revealed, they add them to the banner, so it wouldn't make sense to just withhold them because they feel like it. I know it's possible for there to be another reveal after, but that's highly unlikely, since Sakurai wanted to avoid this kind of situation.

I also know that some sources said there was one or two others, like Incineroar, but I'm pretty sure those were meant to catch leakers.

Also, I know you're talking about me, so I'm going to say "Me jumping ship" means that I'm not expecting it to turn out well. As I said before, I'm expecting her to be an AT, but I'm hoping she's a fighter. I either in a really bad mood or just trying to point something out whenever I come off as pessimistic, and for that I apologize)
Im not talking about you either


There are many major people in the speculation scene, including Verge (Hate him or like him, he at least has SOME source somewhere) are heavily advocating it.

EDIT: Wow...a lot of people are curious who I was talking about... I was not expecting it to be mentioned so much.
 
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zferolie

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I honestly doubt that 'Grinch leak' is real simply because it doesn't jive with other statements made regarding the game by Sakurai.
Back in August Sakurai said there were a few more characters to be revealed and that every character who will appear with the core game will be announced before the games release. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/super-smash-bros-ultimate-still-has-a-few-new-char/1100-6461035/

Back in September he was saying that they overdid it with the Isabelle reveal and that he didn't want people to expect any more rapid fire reveals. https://www.destructoid.com/smash-b...uper-smash-bros-ultimate-reveals-524534.phtml

So given that we went through the entire month of October without a character reveal, and that we have a little over a month before the games full release, I can't see there being more than two or three characters being added.

Doesn't mean anything positive or negative regarding Shantae though given we live in the era of DLC even a game released without the half genie hero doesn't necessarily mean she wont be included.
But back in 2012 for Smash 4 he also said not to expect many characters, and we got 21 characters. So taking what sakurai says means nothing

i couldn't agree more. it's simply irritating having to repeatedly remind people that, even if the leak ends up being true regardless of the evidence against it, that DLC is still on the table and that the game isn't dead yet (it hasn't even come out so you could argue it isn't even alive). nintendo has lately been supporting all of their games with additional content. even games you would not typically expect to have DLC content such as Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey, as rich in content as they are, were not exempt from this. it is irrational to believe that smash won't have DLC, especially considering the previous game also did.

also:



it's especially annoying since Shantae's opulent and very consistent performance in popularity polls and smash ballot polls show she's a very top tier and realizable candidate for DLC (occasionally outperforming the likes of Geno) and all people need to do is relax and be patient.

if ridley, a character with an abundant amount of support in the U.S. despite being verbally deconfirmed by Sakurai himself and having a lot going against him can perform well enough on the ballot for him to make it into this game, Shantae has so much greater of a chance than a lot of the people giving up on her or hating on her want to believe she does.

and regardless of whether people think an "irrelevant indie character" can make it into smash or not the fact of the matter is that if you look at the ballot, you'll see that most of the newcomers to this game (especially if we're to believe the grinch leak) have been A: highly requested, B: very rich moveset potential, or C: are historical to nintendo/gaming, and you could make the argument that all three of these ring true for Shantae.

not to mention, this is all assuming Shantae isn't just one of the characters that trusted gatherers of information and insiders are saying is missing from the banner.
Shantae is constantly popular for sure, so she really should be in this game in some manner. Also, people just rag on shantae becuase they just think LOL SEXY GENIE ONLY GOOD FOR ****
 

Wwlink55

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But back in 2012 for Smash 4 he also said not to expect many characters, and we got 21 characters. So taking what sakurai says means nothing



Shantae is constantly popular for sure, so she really should be in this game in some manner. Also, people just rag on shantae becuase they just think LOL SEXY GENIE ONLY GOOD FOR ****

It's easy for people to make that assumption, even though chances are most of the people who are saying it haven't even played a Shantae game. While there are moments that are a bit fan-servicey (especially in Pirates Curse), for the most part the series is pretty modest, and the outfit Shantae wears, while fairly revealing, is more so because she is based on a bellydancer, not because they're trying to make her a fanservice character.
 

zferolie

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Even if this leak proves fake, I love all this fanart it made



It's easy for people to make that assumption, even though chances are most of the people who are saying it haven't even played a Shantae game. While there are moments that are a bit fan-servicey (especially in Pirates Curse), for the most part the series is pretty modest, and the outfit Shantae wears, while fairly revealing, is more so because she is based on a bellydancer, not because they're trying to make her a fanservice character.
Yeah PC was the most Fanservicey of all the games I thought, but still not really overdone as some other games out there... looks at senren kagura.
 

Wwlink55

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Even if this leak proves fake, I love all this fanart it made





Yeah PC was the most Fanservicey of all the games I thought, but still not really overdone as some other games out there... looks at senren kagura.
As someone who has 100% Shinovi Versus on Steam, I can honestly say that Senran Kagura fanservice is on its own level.

Games like Shantae are even extremely conservative to other games, such as Rabi-Ribi.
 

zferolie

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As someone who has 100% Shinovi Versus on Steam, I can honestly say that Senran Kagura fanservice is on its own level.

Games like Shantae are even extremely conservative to other games, such as Rabi-Ribi.
Yeah compared to a lot of games PC is not bad at all, and honestly i think there is nothing wrong with fanservice
 

MagusOfIllusions

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not to mention, this is all assuming Shantae isn't just one of the characters that trusted gatherers of information and insiders are saying is missing from the banner.
I also want to mention that were all taking this leak at its base value. What if the banner in the grinch leak is Incomplete as in it was not finished being put together yet. I think this could be the reason why this "leak" feels off and on top of that I personaly dont believe this was intentionaly leaked out by who ever may have been working on it. The whole story of this "leak" is starting to feel like someone else who works there took advantage of who ever was working on this project and then shared it with a friend who then leaked it.

This could explain why so many insiders have come out saying why it is strange that characters like incenaroar are not on it and any other characters they may have heard as well. Of course thats also to say its possible that incenaroar is a bait name Nintendo's been tossing around to mess with leakers but I kind of doubt that since they also all claim to have heard all of these leaked character names too.

Anyway what I think is up with this banner leak is that it is an unfinished product of some kind if it is real.
 
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Mrs.Milky

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Im starting to think more and more that, if the leak is real, she is one of the missing characters. Considering her popularity, on top of how popular she is as a go-to indie character by Nintendo, yet again on top of her immense moveset potential and personality, even further on top of her popularity within the current speculation cycle (2nd most discussed newcomer on Smashboards!).
I always had the feeling that simply the banner in the leak wasn't exactly the complete one and was just missing characters like shantae but dropped the idea since it would be weird for a printing company to not have all the characters around in it. Unless they weren't finished perhaps.
 

Moderately obsessed

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I hate to be a harbinger of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:



Doesn't it kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.
So, my only problem is Nintendo goes out of their way to avoid characters faces being covered. The only ones being parts of Ivysaurs, Jigglypuff's, and Pichu's ears, DeDeDe's hat, and a part of Ridley's jaw (like it doesn't take away from the characters). Yet there are a couple of instances in the banner leak where they cover some foreheads of characters (Roy and Lucina) and the instances I names above are slightly discolored.
Nintendo is doing a good job with this info drought. I'm dying.
 

Grimacebsx

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Just woke up about half an hour ago. "YAAAWWNN"
I have nothing new to add to this conversation. Every reason i have to believe in as shantae as a fighter hasnt changed.
But on the topic of fan service there's absolutely nothing wrong or preverted about a girl having boobs, large boobs, or wearing a bikini! There's just not!
 

zferolie

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I am on team there are more charvters and shantae is one of them. Woth how many insiders are saying there are more then just this leak is saying plus the shantae evidence makes me really think she is still coming and may be one of the characters the insiders have heard
 

TOY the Gamer

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I am on team there are more charvters and shantae is one of them. Woth how many insiders are saying there are more then just this leak is saying plus the shantae evidence makes me really think she is still coming and may be one of the characters the insiders have heard
I hope, because her being an Assist would be really heartbreaking. Why would Sakruai make it a point to say he played Indie games and yet make the two BIGGEST Indie requests Assist Trophies?
 

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Do you guys expect some news next week ?
At this point I'm not expecting anything to ever happen xD
Well, we do keep getting bits & pieces unintentionally released by Nintendo. Gamexplain has just uploaded a video mentioning something about online and how it permits up to 32 players. Whether that's a tournament or lobby remains to be seen.


On a another note, does the in-game style of Half-Genie Hero remind anyone of Paper Mario?
 

KirbyWorshipper2465

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Even if this leak proves fake, I love all this fanart it made





Yeah PC was the most Fanservicey of all the games I thought, but still not really overdone as some other games out there... looks at senren kagura.
I still think it would make more sense if Ken was in here instead of Dee.

As someone who has 100% Shinovi Versus on Steam, I can honestly say that Senran Kagura fanservice is on its own level.

Games like Shantae are even extremely conservative to other games, such as Rabi-Ribi.
Not to mention that SK is produced by a guy that's proud of liking fanservice.

Yeah compared to a lot of games PC is not bad at all, and honestly i think there is nothing wrong with fanservice
To me, a big amount of T&A fanservice works as long as it fits the setting as naturally as one breathes air, as opposed to "oooh, look at the boobs, ain't that funny!".
 
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I love sakurai and his anime references just as much I love shantae being so cute
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I am on team there are more charvters and shantae is one of them. Woth how many insiders are saying there are more then just this leak is saying plus the shantae evidence makes me really think she is still coming and may be one of the characters the insiders have heard
Let’s hope but remember to keep expectations low like always.
 

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I love sakurai and his anime references just as much I love shantae being so cute
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Let’s hope but remember to keep expectations low like always.
Yeah, DLC isn't outside the realm of possibility. At this point I'm not expecting Shantae in the base, but she's not down for the count yet, this match still has a few rounds to go.
 

KoopaSaki

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At this rate I think the next direct will be in a couple weeks on the 8th. I could be wrong and maybe we will get it on the 1st of November but basically with the first two weeks of that month We are inevitably due for something. I can't wait!
 

Wwlink55

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At this rate I think the next direct will be in a couple weeks on the 8th. I could be wrong and maybe we will get it on the 1st of November but basically with the first two weeks of that month We are inevitably due for something. I can't wait!
There's a chance on something before the 2nd, although there's no guarantee. Honestly, the dang direct cant come fast enough...
 

Shadowknight1

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What did I miss?

I'm watching Omni's breakdown of the differences between the leak and the real background of the battlefield. Not far into it but it's already easy to see it's pretty different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bQWQVUPnl4
The usual. Doesn't seem like people want to see the differences in the background or blame it on the poor quality...look, I want Isaac in and all the others would be cool, but trusting the leak just because it's "ESRB 2.0" is not bright. And yes, I'd still be saying this if Shantae was in there or if the whole thing with KOS-MOS wasn't just people seeing things in the clouds.
 

Teeb147

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The usual. Doesn't seem like people want to see the differences in the background or blame it on the poor quality...look, I want Isaac in and all the others would be cool, but trusting the leak just because it's "ESRB 2.0" is not bright. And yes, I'd still be saying this if Shantae was in there or if the whole thing with KOS-MOS wasn't just people seeing things in the clouds.
Isaac was highly requested anyway. People dont need to believe the leak to hope for him. Especially with the new evidence from Nintendo's Wendy's video.
Did more people talk about kos-mos? I thought it was pretty much dropped now. Though I do wonder what's in that spot.

And yeah, it doesnt look good for the leak with these differences. And the sky tube ideas dont really work either, considering all the detail missing.
 
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