Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[zferolie]

From the Isaac thread. Someone made an interesting discovery regarding the Grinch leak. I remember you guys speculating about the possibility of Shantae interacting with Daisy and there is a possibility of another character fitting in that spot in case this if this a real leak and the banner is incomplete. Just a fun theory

If the leak is real and all these insiders are also right about incineroar, then the banner is incomplete.

It does seem odd just how... defensive a lot of these insiders are getting and how adament about Incineroar. They doen't say they have proof these other characters are not in, they just say No Incineroar Not Real, which seems.... odd. Why can't they just outright say so and so in the leak is not in at all thergore this leak is fake?

PLus man, I heard verge is getting very angry at people. Not just due to the no Incineroar part, but got angry saying if the leak is fake doesn't mean Banjo and Isaac aren't in...

EDIT: Also your Signiture has Jill Dozer in it, and I love you for that

 

[Moderately obsessed]

Should we screenshot the amount of replies and pages of the Shantae and Isaac threads and hashtag Nintendo with the only words "*hint hint*"?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

From the Isaac thread. Someone made an interesting discovery regarding the Grinch leak. I remember you guys speculating about the possibility of Shantae interacting with Daisy and there is a possibility of another character fitting in that spot in case this if this a real leak and the banner is incomplete. Just a fun theory

I did theorise that the banner shown might be a beta, due to the background imperfections, so this is an interesting possibility. There might be one or two surprises that have been withheld from it.

If the leak is real and all these insiders are also right about incineroar, then the banner is incomplete.

It does seem odd just how... defensive a lot of these insiders are getting and how adament about Incineroar. They doen't say they have proof these other characters are not in, they just say No Incineroar Not Real, which seems.... odd. Why can't they just outright say so and so in the leak is not in at all thergore this leak is fake?

PLus man, I heard verge is getting very angry at people. Not just due to the no Incineroar part, but got angry saying if the leak is fake doesn't mean Banjo and Isaac aren't in...

EDIT: Also your Signiture has Jill Dozer in it, and I love you for that

The insiders are starting to crack and prove they actually didn't have actual concrete info to start with, mostly safe guesses. Either that, or they don't want the Nintendo ninjas to snipe them.

Or they're worried that some new kid on the block is stealing the e-peen they worked so hard to obtain, so it's anybody's guess there.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Only 41 days left guys. :D
The answers to all our questions will come soon !

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Dude, that's so blurry, are you sure this isn't a leak?

jokes aside, it's very well done.

Oh, it's for sure a leak! XD
Thanks!

 

[Motor Bug2005]

From the Isaac thread. Someone made an interesting discovery regarding the Grinch leak. I remember you guys speculating about the possibility of Shantae interacting with Daisy and there is a possibility of another character fitting in that spot in case this if this a real leak and the banner is incomplete. Just a fun theory

I hate to be a harbinger of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't it kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

 

[ShadowYoshi04]

What do you guys think about the Grinch leak?

 

[NukeA6]

I hate to be a harbringer of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't this picture kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

It's obvious Daisy isn't hip-bumping Shantae because she's shown doing the exact same pose in the box art. So yeah, more evidence on the Grinch leak's side. Better hope for that DLC and not the Assist Trophy status.

 

[Mango The Magician]

I hate to be a harbringer of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't this picture kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

Maybe? It's hard to tell. Simon is looking out at the camera and Daisy is staring into the center of his back. I don't think the Daisy's placement is that strong of an argument either way though.

What do you guys think about the Grinch leak?

Team fake. I don't want it to be real because I don't think the game is gonna have DLC and as such see this as Shantae's last chance to be in the game at all. I understand that people want it to be real, but just because someone wants it to be real doesn't mean it is real, and there's a lot for and a lot against it. It's not gonna be the end of the world though if it's real.

I also just kinda don't want it to be real because that would mean that all the hype and speculation over the base roster is over and a good chunk of the next direct is gonna go over information that we already know.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

What do you guys think about the Grinch leak?

Oh, that leak? If it's somehow real, at least the future doesn't seem bleak, but I'm afraid that it's already reached it's peak, and I feel the tower on which it stands, is beginning to creak...

 

[zferolie]

I hate to be a harbinger of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't it kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

Ehh art can still be shifted to fit shantae there

It's obvious Daisy isn't hip-bumping Shantae because she's shown doing the exact same pose in the box art. So yeah, more evidence on the Grinch leak's side. Better hope for that DLC and not the Assist Trophy status.

The box art has changed and grabbed different characters over time. Doesnt mean anything. Heck shantae could be added tp the box art with shantae too

 

[Hyfiner]

I hate to be a harbinger of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't it kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

The thing is with character interactions on the banner is that they are INTRODUCED in the position of interaction like Chrom and Dr.Mario/Game and Watch. Simon was originally higher than Daisy so saying those two are interacting wouldn't be consistent with the rest.

Also Artsy Omni showed these gifs on the general board which I thought were interesting.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455060269526417408/505585571909861386/3-version-compare.gif
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455060269526417408/505595607843471381/5-version-compare.gif
The first one shows that the banner background is consistent across all banner versions and the second compares it with the Wendy's truck and empty version. While it doesn't say anything conclusive it's worth noting nonetheless.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

I hate to be a harbinger of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't it kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

Tbh something I found funny in the august direct was that you could see a lot of simon/daisy moments in there.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

I still don't believe that leak, it proves nothing.
Also, Daisy is clearly not avoiding Simon's whip, this position wouldn't make sense.
Besides, the charcters will still be moved.
I may be delusional again, but I don't believe this leak for one second.

 

[ZelDan]

Tbh something I found funny in the august direct was that you could see a lot of simon/daisy moments in there.

One thing someone brought up was that it looks like Daisy is eying Simon with her pose.

Daisy likes her men beefy confirmed.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Daisy likes her men beefy confirmed.

Yup, because Luigi is very beefy.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Maybe? It's hard to tell. Simon is looking out at the camera and Daisy is staring into the center of his back. I don't think the Daisy's placement is that strong of an argument either way though.

Team fake. I don't want it to be real because I don't think the game is gonna have DLC and as such see this as Shantae's last chance to be in the game at all. I understand that people want it to be real, but just because someone wants it to be real doesn't mean it is real, and there's a lot for and a lot against it. It's not gonna be the end of the world though if it's real.

I also just kinda don't want it to be real because that would mean that all the hype and speculation over the base roster is over and a good chunk of the next direct is gonna go over information that we already know.

Dude, there is no way that this game isn't getting DLC. Nintendo is going to support this game for as long as they can.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Dude, there is no way that this game isn't getting DLC. Nintendo is going to support this game for as long as they can.

That's true indeed. Even Mario Tennis gets ( free so far ) DLC !

 

[Dyllybirdy]

That's true indeed. Even Mario Tennis gets ( free so far ) DLC !

Freaking Breath of the Wild even got DLC. A Zelda game with DLC?

That would have been completely unheard of not too many years ago.
Nintendo's going all out.

 

[MajestyIndigo]

Yeah, Nintendo would never spit on all the money a smash DLC could make. There is just no way.

And that's where we come in action if we have to wait for the DLC : Keeping the support high till the very end of the very end ^^

 

[Jasae Bushae]

I honestly doubt that 'Grinch leak' is real simply because it doesn't jive with other statements made regarding the game by Sakurai.
Back in August Sakurai said there were a few more characters to be revealed and that every character who will appear with the core game will be announced before the games release. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/super-smash-bros-ultimate-still-has-a-few-new-char/1100-6461035/

Back in September he was saying that they overdid it with the Isabelle reveal and that he didn't want people to expect any more rapid fire reveals. https://www.destructoid.com/smash-b...uper-smash-bros-ultimate-reveals-524534.phtml

So given that we went through the entire month of October without a character reveal, and that we have a little over a month before the games full release, I can't see there being more than two or three characters being added.

Doesn't mean anything positive or negative regarding Shantae though given we live in the era of DLC even a game released without the half genie hero doesn't necessarily mean she wont be included.

 

[Deleted member]

Good morning everyone I’ve made an important reminder until the dreaded day happens

What do you guys think about the Grinch leak?

100/10 #teamreal

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Yup, because Luigi is very beefy.

Hmm

Spoiler: Luigi

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Mrs.Milky
Uh oh, you're gonna get banned.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Mrs.Milky
Uh oh, you're gonna get banned.

Sayonara fam

Also expand dong

 

[Luigifan18]

Hmm

Spoiler: Luigi

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What is this I don't even oh my God why.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Sayonara fam

Also expand dong

Umm... maybe you can just, edit that post, and remove the picture?

Please.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

What is this I don't even oh my God why.

Because daisy likes beefy men

 

[KingZing]

To quote Vinny, say no to naked Luigi!

 

[Deleted member]

I’m sorry to say this to all of you but I’m on team chadndorf for this one

I’m sorry but this is my choice

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

I hate to be a harbinger of negativity but look at this cleaned up picture of the "leak" mural:

Doesn't it kind of confirm that Daisy is in fact, interacting with Simon as in avoiding his whip instead of interacting with an unrevealed character? If so, I'm afraid that's a point for Shantae disproven.

Uh, what? First off, even if Daisy ends up interacting with someone not Shantae on the mural, it says nothing because it was never "evidence" for Shantae in the first place, just an idea that could happen. Second, I can't see how Daisy is supposed to be interacting with Simon at all here.

What do you guys think about the Grinch leak?

At first I was leaning fake, but lately I've been leaning real.

 

[Wwlink55]

Why is it every time I wake up its people, especially fairly obvious ones at this point, suddenly abandoning ship and despairing over something even though nothing has changed yet?

Geesh people... I thought you supported Shantae more than that.

Some of you need to learn a little something called "faith and confidence".

 

[Mrs.Milky]

At first I was leaning fake, but lately I've been leaning real.

How come?

 

[Blackwolf666]

I’ve been hearing a lot of talk lately about Shantae not having a real chance because she’s an indie character... I say that’s quite the opposite. At this point in time where Nintendo opened the flood gates for indie games and even adopted the term “Nindie” it is safe to say indies are a big part of Nintendo’s current generation. Also Shantae being one of the oldest indie characters to appear on a Nintendo console doesn’t hurt her chances either.

I’ve heard that argument before but I’m surprised that more people than I thought still uses that argument to counter Shantae’s inclusion.

 

[Wwlink55]

I’ve been hearing a lot of talk lately about Shantae not having a real chance because she’s an indie character... I say that’s quite the opposite. At this point in time where Nintendo opened the flood gates for indie games and even adopted the term “Nindie” it is safe to say indies are a big part of Nintendo’s current generation. Also Shantae being one of the oldest indie characters to appear on a Nintendo console doesn’t hurt her chances either.

I’ve heard that argument before but I’m surprised that more people than I thought still uses that argument to counter Shantae’s inclusion.

Not even just that, but Shantae is often used as the "poster child" for #nindies, often interchanging with Shovel Knight.


https://www.nintendo.com/games/3ds

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

How come?

This Reddit thread and this post on Smashboards.

 

[Wwlink55]

This Reddit thread and this post on Smashboards.

Even after that, Im still really skeptical with the banner, especially if it is to be considered the final banner. While im not 100% towards Vergeben, I will at least give him enough credit that he is confident, and that he is at least fairly reliable in comparison to other leakers.

The situation surrounding it is really weird, and it hasn't even confirmed its most-credible sources yet. It could easily be an elaborate fake still with a few characters coincidentally correct.

Personally, im team "Fake, but even if its real it probably isn't even the full thing. Literally since day 1 a lot of big leakers and speculators were denying it being the full thing, if they said it was real at all."

Im still pretty sure its fake. I just get a really feeling something is fundamentally wrong with it.

 

[hassoutobi]

Why is it every time I wake up its people, especially fairly obvious ones at this point, suddenly abandoning ship and despairing over something even though nothing has changed yet?

Geesh people... I thought you supported Shantae more than that.

Some of you need to learn a little something called "faith and confidence".

i couldn't agree more. it's simply irritating having to repeatedly remind people that, even if the leak ends up being true regardless of the evidence against it, that DLC is still on the table and that the game isn't dead yet (it hasn't even come out so you could argue it isn't even alive). nintendo has lately been supporting all of their games with additional content. even games you would not typically expect to have DLC content such as Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey, as rich in content as they are, were not exempt from this. it is irrational to believe that smash won't have DLC, especially considering the previous game also did.

also:

it's especially annoying since Shantae's opulent and very consistent performance in popularity polls and smash ballot polls show she's a very top tier and realizable candidate for DLC (occasionally outperforming the likes of Geno) and all people need to do is relax and be patient.

if ridley, a character with an abundant amount of support in the U.S. despite being verbally deconfirmed by Sakurai himself and having a lot going against him can perform well enough on the ballot for him to make it into this game, Shantae has so much greater of a chance than a lot of the people giving up on her or hating on her want to believe she does.

and regardless of whether people think an "irrelevant indie character" can make it into smash or not the fact of the matter is that if you look at the ballot, you'll see that most of the newcomers to this game (especially if we're to believe the grinch leak) have been A: highly requested, B: very rich moveset potential, or C: are historical to nintendo/gaming, and you could make the argument that all three of these ring true for Shantae.

not to mention, this is all assuming Shantae isn't just one of the characters that trusted gatherers of information and insiders are saying is missing from the banner.

 

[NukeA6]

The box art has changed and grabbed different characters over time. Doesnt mean anything. Heck shantae could be added tp the box art with shantae too

That's true but it's confirmed that Daisy's pose means nothing for Shantae.

 

[Wwlink55]

i couldn't agree more. it's simply irritating having to repeatedly remind people that, even if the leak ends up being true regardless of the evidence against it, that DLC is still on the table and that the game isn't dead yet (it hasn't even come out so you could argue it isn't even alive). nintendo has lately been supporting all of their games with additional content. even games you would not typically expect to have DLC content such as Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey, as rich in content as they are, were not exempt from this. it is irrational to believe that smash won't have DLC, especially considering the previous game also did.

also:

it's especially annoying since Shantae's opulent and very consistent performance in popularity polls and smash ballot polls show she's a very top tier and realizable candidate for DLC (consistently outperforming the likes of Geno) and all people need to do is relax and be patient.

if ridley, a character with an abundant amount of support in the U.S. despite being verbally deconfirmed by Sakurai himself and having a lot going against him can perform well enough on the ballot for him to make it into this game, Shantae has so much greater of a chance than a lot of the people giving up on her or hating on her want to believe she does.

and regardless of whether people think an "irrelevant indie character" can make it into smash or not the fact of the matter is that if you look at the ballot, you'll see that most of the newcomers to this game (especially if we're to believe the grinch leak) have been A: highly requested, B: very rich moveset potential, or C: are historical to nintendo/gaming, and you could make the argument that all three of these ring true for Shantae.

not to mention, this is all assuming Shantae isn't just one of the characters that trusted gatherers of information and insiders are saying is missing from the banner.

Im starting to think more and more that, if the leak is real, she is one of the missing characters. Considering her popularity, on top of how popular she is as a go-to indie character by Nintendo, yet again on top of her immense moveset potential and personality, even further on top of her popularity within the current speculation cycle (2nd most discussed newcomer on Smashboards!).