Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Deleted member]

Connor, if you were remotely sorry you would stop doing it.

You guys can’t just ignore everything you have to look in deep

 

[Teeb147]

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...warning-spoilers-leaks-ahead.434391/page-6296
#251,833
This would most likely go for team real
Sry for being like this

Well, actually for once you found a good claim for the leak being real.
It's a good possible explanation for certain things not looking the same. Not all, but it does raise the bar a little higher.

Edit: It doesnt mean the video quality was bad like he points out though. and the characters' quality would say differently. (It's not consistent with the types of effect suggested, from artifacts)

Here's the quote of the post, for people to see:

It has been a while since I posted here helping with the ESRB leak from Smash 3DS. Hi everybody

So here's something you can try with the background if you have photoshop, and understand what happens to the image because of the low quality and artifacts caused by the recording.

Let's compare the clean background with the leaked background. Look at the spots marked in red, which are (at least to me) the most suspicious spots in the image.

View attachment 172360

Now, let's apply a filter to the clean background: Filter > Noise > Median.

See what happens to the waterfalls if I increase the value of the filter:
View attachment 172363

The waterfall from the right tends to dissapear, just like in the leaked image.

And this is what happens to the castle area:

View attachment 172364

Doesn't it look a lot more like the leaked image? I just played with the "median" filter in photoshop, that's all. You can try!

So, yeah... My point is that we have been look at the same exact background all the time, but it has been severely modified because of quality and artifacts stuff. Don't forget we are looking at the screenshot of a video in motion of a draft print.

(If you want the same result, apply Median 19 for the waterfalls and Median 28 for the castle area).

It explains a possibility for artifacts of the 'video' quality the picture was from making the background looking like it does.
I don't think it explains all the differences, but it does show that it's possible for some things to look quite different depending on the artifacts.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Connor, if you were remotely sorry you would stop doing it.

Eh, to his credit, this one is quite legit.

 

[Shadowknight1]

https://smashboards.com/threads/sma...warning-spoilers-leaks-ahead.434391/page-6296
#251,833
This would most likely go for team real
Sry for being like this

So...what this guy is saying is that you can use Photoshop to blur out parts of the background. Whoopie. How does this prove it's real? If anything, I think it means that it's easier to fake.

 

[Teeb147]

Eh, to his credit, this one is quite legit.

So...what this guy is saying is that you can use Photoshop to blur out parts of the background. Whoopie. How does this prove it's real? If anything, I think it means that it's easier to fake.

My take:
Considering how the characters in the leak photo look, even if they're blurry we see the detailed colors alright, from the same 'video'. So to me the point doesnt hold up fully, even if it's a good one.

(It cant be explained simply by video artifacts)

 

[TheCJBrine]

You see, I don't see the background differences as conclusive proof it's fake, only that it could be faked (which everyone knows).

It's the crazy attention to detail and the printshop stuff that makes it believable.

The background stuff is making me doubt it, but I feel it will only die or get confirmed when the next direct comes.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Also...one of the early posts in that thread before that showed a Banjo Kazooie figure that kinda matches up with the apparent pose in the leak.

 

[Teeb147]

You see, I don't see the background differences as conclusive proof it's fake, only that it could be faked (which everyone knows).

It's the crazy attention to detail and the printshop stuff that makes it believable.

The background stuff is making me doubt it, but I feel it will only die or get confirmed when the next direct comes.

For an artist that knows this stuff, it's not really going too much out of their way. In order to make a leak believable, someone used real knowledge from their profession to compile it. I think it's not that hard to think about that.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

So...what this guy is saying is that you can use Photoshop to blur out parts of the background. Whoopie. How does this prove it's real? If anything, I think it means that it's easier to fake.

Nah, what he's saying is that using photoshop, he shows how the background could've changed when the screenshot was taken, thus explaining how the blur would make the background look the way it does and potentially explain away discrepancies.

 

[TheCJBrine]

For an artist that knows this stuff, it's not really going too much out of their way. In order to make a leak believable, someone used real knowledge from their profession to compile it. I think it's not that hard to think about that.

It's not just the banner, though.

It's all the details they'd need to think of for the stuff in the supposed printshop alone, and finding some guy's name, if the leaker isn't the same guy himself. He even had to make diagrams for props; Grinch props of all things, plus an ornament with the Smash banner on it, stuff you would probably find in a supermarket.

It's true that it could be the same guy if it's fake (or another employee/some other printshop since he's around 50-years-old, though I guess that doesn't matter), but y'know.

Also...one of the early posts in that thread before that showed a Banjo Kazooie figure that kinda matches up with the apparent pose in the leak.

I think it'd be easier if he made the B-K art himself, taking a snapshot of a figure to make it sounds silly tbh, especially when he seems to have made these other character paintings without a reference if it's fake.

I do know that Kazooie is freaking out and Banjo's pose seems to be a little different.

 

[Teeb147]

It's not just the banner, though.

It's all the details they'd need to think of for the stuff in the supposed printshop alone, and finding some guy's name, if the leaker isn't the same guy himself. He even had to make diagrams for props; Grinch props of all things, plus an ornament with the Smash banner on it, stuff you would probably find in a supermarket.

It's true that it could be the same guy if it's fake (or another employee/some other printshop since he's around 50-years-old, though I guess that doesn't matter), but y'know.



I think it'd be easier if he made the B-K art himself, taking a snapshot of a figure to make it sounds silly tbh, especially when he seems to have made these other character paintings without a reference.

Most likely an artist that has heard about those studios, or even worked with or around them. Might not even be from france. Doesn't take much to find out more details if someone was looking for a fall guy to make it believable.

The grinch props werent all that detailed, and couldve easily been made by an artist that knew about the upcoming grinch stuff.
It doesn't seem that farfetched for a bored artist. I mean, that's just an explanation to how it could've been faked. It wouldve most likely taken them a decent little amount of time to make everything, still.

 

[Mario9919]

Connor, if you were remotely sorry you would stop doing it.

I agree with WwLink.

 

[Shadowknight1]

I think it'd be easier if he made the B-K art himself, taking a snapshot of a figure to make it sounds silly tbh, especially when he seems to have made these other character paintings without a reference.

That's not the point! Nintendo wouldn't base the art in their own promotional material after a figurine that they're not making.

 

[TheCJBrine]

That's not the point! Nintendo wouldn't base the art in their own promotional material after a figurine that they're not making.

I'm sorry, but that sounds like a stretch.

The figure isn't the only instance of Banjo and Kazooie flying; it's a common thing in their games alone. Banjo's and Kazooie's poses are even a little different compared to the figure, with Kazooie freaking out over Snake's weapon, and since they have the rights to use the characters, they can do whatever they want with their art as long as it's fine with Rare.

 

[Senkuu]

I'm just gonna wait until a real direct comes along, Instead of feeding myself with elements that could potentially be false.

 

[Mario9919]

Also...one of the early posts in that thread before that showed a Banjo Kazooie figure that kinda matches up with the apparent pose in the leak.

What page exactly? I need to see this.

 

[Shadowknight1]

I'm sorry, but that sounds like a stretch.

The figure isn't the only instance of Banjo and Kazooie flying; it's a common thing in their games alone. Banjo's and Kazooie's poses are even a little different compared to the figure, with Kazooie freaking out over Snake's weapon, and since they have the rights to use the characters, they can do whatever they want with their art as long as it's fine with Rare.

You must have beyond perfect ****ing vision to see anything even closely resembling expression in that B+K shaped blob.

 

[TheCJBrine]

You must have beyond perfect ****ing vision to see anything even closely resembling expression in that B+K shaped blob.

*shrug* That's just what I made out with how Kazooie's beak is wide open and her face seems frantic, with the cleaned up version of the image making it more apparent that she's freaking out.

I still don't see how the First Four figure having a similar yet common pose is a point against the leak. What else would they do, stand on the ground somewhere? I can see them fighting, maybe, but it's very clever how they're next to Bayonetta, a witch, and they have them interacting with Snake, Banjo being his naive self and Kazooie being more alert.

 

[Deleted member]

*shrug* That's just what I made out with how Kazooie's beak is wide open and her face seems frantic, with the cleaned up version of the image making it more apparent that she's freaking out.

I still don't see how the First Four figure having a similar yet common pose is a point against the leak. What else would they do, stand on the ground somewhere? I can see them fighting, maybe, but it's very clever how they're next to Bayonetta, a witch, and they have them interacting with Snake, Banjo being his naive self and Kazooie being more alert.

BOOM!!! ANOTHER GREAT DETAIL!!!!!

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Hello everyone. I bet you're all well and not worrying about if the leak is fake or not.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Hello everyone. I bet you're all well and not worrying about if the leak is fake or not.

No, not at all.

So, Milky, you wanna talk about something COMPLETELY unrelated to leaks?

 

[Teeb147]

*shrug* That's just what I made out with how Kazooie's beak is wide open and her face seems frantic, with the cleaned up version of the image making it more apparent that she's freaking out.

I still don't see how the First Four figure having a similar yet common pose is a point against the leak. What else would they do, stand on the ground somewhere? I can see them fighting, maybe, but it's very clever how they're next to Bayonetta, a witch, and they have them interacting with Snake, Banjo being his naive self and Kazooie being more alert.

The characters were moved quite a bit around, with different characters next to each other. I dont see how you can interpret them as 'interacting' with each other. Lots are just looking off or in the front, not really having much to say they're connected.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

No, not at all.

So, Milky, you wanna talk about something COMPLETELY unrelated to leaks?

Totally! Such as?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Totally! Such as?

Rottytops, what else?

So, what do you think is the best thing about her?

 

[TheCJBrine]

The characters were moved quite a bit around, with different characters next to each other. I dont see how you can interpret them as 'interacting' with each other. Lots are just looking off or in the front, not really having much to say they're connected.

Well, not every character interacts in the official banner, either; I just assumed B-K were "interacting" with Snake because, well, what else would Kazooie be freaking out over?

It also makes some sense with how Snake is literally pointing at nothing in the current banner, though I admit he doesn't really have to.

Someone in the Skull Kid thread said someone pointed out how Inkling and Mach Rider were looking at each other, which can make sense with Mach Rider's head position, but idk.

 

[Teeb147]

Well, not every character interacts in the official banner, either; I just assumed B-K were "interacting" with Snake because, well, what else would Kazooie be freaking out over?

It also makes some sense with how Snake is literally pointing at nothing in the current banner, though I admit he doesn't really have to.

Someone in the Skull Kid thread said someone pointed out how Inkling and Mach Rider were looking at each other, which can make sense with Mach Rider's head position, but idk.

Why coulodn't the leaker artist just pick that pose to put next to snake, if they thought like you?
I dont see how that makes any movement towards it being real, sorry.

And there's only like.. 2 or 3 characters freakin out (or having a relevant expression) seemingly next to something that could be seen like that, so it doesnt seem to be much of a consideration.

People see what they want to see, cuz mach rider is freakin hard to make out, even with enhancements, i dont think we can make out too much. (not that looking in a direction of a character would mean too much either..)

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Rottytops, what else?

So, what do you think is the best thing about her?

C0ugh her voice.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Why coulodn't the leaker artist just pick that pose to put next to snake, if they thought like you?
I dont see how that makes any movement towards it being real, sorry.

And there's only like.. 2 or 3 characters freakin out (or having a relevant expression) seemingly next to something that could be seen like that, so it doesnt seem to be much of a consideration.

People see what they want to see, cuz mach rider is freakin hard to make out, even with enhancements, i dont think we can make out too much. (not that looking in a direction of a character would mean too much either..)

It may not point toward it being real (I agree), but it does nothing for it being fake, either. Both sides require assumptions, so the leak won't die or get confirmed until a direct.

When I brought up the background stuff earlier, and said it wasn't conclusive, it's because it's entirely based on nitpicks and assumptions. While Nintendo has yet to change it, there's nothing saying it definitely won't be changed for certain forms of marketing.

-I can actually make out Mach Rider and what they're doing, but yeah it's blurry and there are some blotches/blobs here and there

 

[Teeb147]

It may not point toward it being real (I agree), but it does nothing for it being fake, either. Both sides require assumptions, so the leak won't die or get confirmed until a direct.

When I brought up the background stuff earlier, and said it wasn't conclusive, it's because it's entirely based on nitpicks and assumptions. While Nintendo has yet to change it, there's nothing saying it definitely won't be changed for certain forms of marketing.

-I can actually make out Mach Rider and what they're doing, but yeah it's blurry and there are some blotches/blobs here and there

I recommend you watch omni's video. He does say himself it's not conclusive, but he's a pretty well known artist and he thinks it doesnt make much sense for the background to be as it is in the leak. There's a lot less detail, which doesnt make sense for something some say is 'updated'.

And what connor brought up (about the artifacts) was a good point but doesnt line up with the quality of the charactesr in the leak (not something omni talked about though)

 

[zferolie]

I said it before and I'll say it again, even if real it sounds like more are missing from that banner, Incineroar and 1-2 others. I would put money on one of those otherse being Shantae, and hoping another is Medusa

 

[TheCJBrine]

I recommend you watch omni's video. He does say himself it's not conclusive, but he's a pretty well known artist and he thinks it doesnt make much sense for the background to be as it is in the leak. There's a lot less detail, which doesnt make sense for something some say is 'updated'.

And what connor brought up (about the artifacts) was a good point but doesnt line up with the quality of the charactesr in the leak (not something omni talked about though)

I've seen some stuff Omni has said on his Twitter, and I know it could definitely be fabricated, but there's always the chance that something could have been changed for marketing reasons, especially smaller decor. This is why give me the direct, dang it Nintendo.

At least Box Theory is probably dead; Spawn Wave said that some characters in the leak are real, and they have had multiple correct "rumors" this year according to those in the Discussion thread.

 

[Teeb147]

I said it before and I'll say it again, even if real it sounds like more are missing from that banner, Incineroar and 1-2 others. I would put money on one of those otherse being Shantae, and hoping another is Medusa

You bring up incineroar a lot, but it could be leak bait like some are saying. I dont think it'll be in (though i dont have anything to back that up ;p)

I've seen some stuff Omni has said on his Twitter, and I know it could definitely be fabricated, but there's always the chance that something could have been changed for marketing reasons, especially smaller decor. This is why give me the direct, dang it Nintendo.

At least Box Theory is probably dead; Spawn Wave said that some characters in the leak are real, and they have had multiple correct "rumors" this year according to people in the Discussion thread.

I agree with that, but i still see that as unlikely, considering that there's less stuff as well as detail in the leak one. (some of it could be explained by blurriness, but not all of it at all)

 

[Shadowknight1]

Well, getting back to Shantae, I was surprised the other day while re-playing Pirate's Curse. I was going back through the first dungeon to collect some gems and accidentally stumbled upon the old Dribble Fountain dungeon! I didn't know that was in there!

 

[Teeb147]

One last thing I want to say about the leak before I leave it aside for tonight, is that I actually think it would be cool to have that amount of characters, and it's also a good sign for other characters to come (especially dlc) in some ways. That said, I dont want anyone to be suckered in by it, so I encourage being skeptical of it, but that doesnt mean being closed to it. And everyone's free to choose how they want to look at it anyway.

Personally, at this point, I think the truth is beyond the leak or what any leaker's said, but I still think the leak could be true. I'm maybe at like... 35% real? It's hard to tell.. But whatever I'm going to stay open and let nintendo do the talking once it's time

 

[TOY the Gamer]

Between sources both saying it's real or fake, I'm not sure about it's legitimacy anymore. I still believe it's real (because that's just TOO MUCH effort to go through for a fake), but all these insiders saying "Nay" is confusing.

Shantae MIGHT be in.

 

[Teeb147]

Between sources both saying it's real or fake, I'm not sure about it's legitimacy anymore. I still believe it's real (because that's just TOO MUCH effort to go through for a fake), but all these insiders saying "Nay" is confusing.

Shantae MIGHT be in.

Even if the leak would be real, Shantae's chances (for dlc) are just as high, I would say.

But you're right, it's hard to say if it's legit or not. But you underestimate the effort some fake leakers could go through to make it seem believeable. It's also not as much effort from an experienced artist.


And with that, I'm off.

 

[LunarLiv]

I'm looking forward to seeing some of you overreact to the next leak. As per usual.

Just like... hope for base! Anything could happen! If it's wrong it's wrong, but no leak is set in stone, nothing is until it's announced, so don't worry so much.
Some people put way too much stock into Shantae appearing, and just like... don't do that? She's my most wanted character, and I'd be bummed if she was out, but I don't get all doomy and gloomy at the prospect of her not being in. It's fiiine, it'll still be a great game.

 

[Mario9919]

Even if the leak would be real, Shantae's chances (for dlc) are just as high, I would say.

But you're right, it's hard to say if it's legit or not. But you underestimate the effort some fake leakers could go through to make it seem believeable. It's also not as much effort from an experienced artist.


And with that, I'm off.

You know, I've seen an artist on Twitter who makes art in the style of Smash Ultimate. I can't help but think that guy is indirectly involved in this leak. I need to find that Twitter profile.

 

[Dukefire]

We will be crossing over on November in 4 days, so the hype train is going to go into overdrive with only one month left on the countdown clock. Brace yourselves for Hell Gates is open for chaos to ensure over the internet

 

[Teeb147]

You know, I've seen an artist on Twitter who makes art in the style of Smash Ultimate. I can't help but think that guy is indirectly involved in this leak. I need to find that Twitter profile.

Since I'm still here, I might as well say, lots of artists are pretty good these days, replicating certain styles is not that rare. Still depends who though, of course.