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In my head Canon I just assume that the some girls reconstitute when we aren't looking. It's the archers that are harder to ignore since they explode into bones...I have a similar kind of problem with Half-Genie Hero, instead involving the Slimegals. I mean, would you hurt her?
The wait is slowly causing us to go insane. Im pretty sure that we are all hoping for something soon. There's still so much we have yet to learn, and yet its nearing less than a month until release.
Yep we're approaching the end for the base game soon sakurai will have to update us soon it won't be long now.
I'm not worried. I mean, I'm more concerned about all of your sanities than any info (my own sanity went off a long time ago anyway..).
Sanity is over-rated. I mean, sane people hardly ever get to be a pineapple.I'm not worried. I mean, I'm more concerned about all of your sanities than any info (my own sanity went off a long time ago anyway..).
But this is the end game. We dont have that long to wait, both for a direct (pretty sure), and the game itself.
Im not going to say anything more tonight, but really, it's not a bad time, things'll come soon enough
nightynight
That's fairly true. And pineapples are one of the better fruits to be, imo.
Yeah, but you also get that weird feeling of sponges living inside you, so...
The one week where I am light on assignments of course has to be the one where Smash news is so up in the air. Gah...
Stay strong comrade. One of us has to.
This legit stupidity contained in an argument.Lotsa responses. Let's try to hit the highlights.
Shovel Knight has closer ties to Nintendo.
By publishing the title and collaborating on the merchandise Nintendo is automatically and literally invested in the game. Objectively, that is a closer working relationship, they are an active investor and direct purveyor, not simply a licensor, curator and recipient of third-party profit.
Plus it doesn't matter if Yacht Club commissioned the amiibo, that doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo is a party to it. Doesn't matter who the impetus came from here if both parties ended up in collaboration.
And also, it not being exclusive doesn't diminish its ties with Nintendo, it just means it has other ties extending elsewhere. Business ties are not a finite commodity.
On the other hand the closeness of Shantae's ties seem chalked up to...
Shantae is in promotional material.
If you mean to insinuate Shovel Knight doesn't also appear in promotional material I take it you've never watched a Nindie presentation. Right now the character at the top of Nintendo's "Nindie" section is the Hollow Knight protagonist. Yet that doesn't make him closely tied to Nintendo either. Even if he got another three games.
Go to the "featured" section of the eShop right now and I bet you'll find some stuff with pretty tenuous ties to Nintendo past just being on the platform. The level at which Shantae is promoted is not abnormal enough to worthy of distinction.
Oh and as far as appearing more and longer, sure. But longer relationship doesn't inherently mean a closer one.
WayForward is being silent to Smash tweets.
So is Team Meat. So is Choice Provisions. So is Nicalis. So is Playtonic. All noisy boys circa the ballot. Be careful reading into things. It could mean she's an AT. It could mean nothing.
Shantae is more popular in Japan
Here's the thing. No matter who is more "popular", no matter who "sold better", Japanese reception to both Shovel Knight and Shantae is, at best, a wash. Both series have sold horribly there. Yeah one has to perform better than the other, but either way, Japanese reception remains an impediment to both, because neither is actually good. To have a touchstone of the rhetoric be that one series didn't perform as abysmally as the other is not a strong point.
So, to that end, while she might have more art (shocking as it might be that a skimpy genie would get more fanart than armor and a shovel) and she might have a couple figurines, nevertheless... get ready for it, Shovel Knight sold better.
As per every Media Create listing (the company Nintendo cites during conferences/presentations) only one Shantae release had its exact first-week units listed, which was 3.3k. The top 20 games of that week are listed with sales figures every week, with number twenty bottoming out around 3-2.5k. Then #s 21-50 are listed without specific units. Two other Shantae releases made this section, I gave them a generous 2.5k each. The remaining Shantae titles (each listing is per console, btw) didn't chart in the top 50, I gave those a liberal 1.5k. Together that's around 17k. Given how unpopular PC releases are in Japan, let's give the entire series' PC release another generous 3k. And let's account for post-first-week sales, none of which charted, at a cumulative, and exceedingly generous 10k, given the precipice after first-weeks sales. That brings us to 30k.
Now let's look at Shovel Knight. We don't have to do the same thing with his releases, as Yacht Club confirmed months back that the title hit two million globally. He's the breakdown by country.
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Unfortunately the exact breakdown cuts off right before Japan. However, even though it looks to be about 3% of total sales, let's call it a very very conservative 2%. With the total of 2 mil, 2% would bring it to 40k (even though in likelihood it looks closer to 50, maybe 60k). That's a 10k disparity between the two, and that's being very generous for Shantae and very conservative for Shovel Knight.
Keep in mind that's also one game versus three (the first Shantae didn't release there).
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If you still disagree with me, which I'm sure many of you will, fair enough. But I'm not going to prolong my involvement here any more, I've said pretty much all I have to say. If Shantae is in the game, that'd be cool, and I'd be psyched. I think she meshes well with the cast and would bring a neat, novel moveset and fresh supporting content. However, I don't foresee it as a likelihood, which a great deal of you seem to. It is the Shantae thread, after all, so, you know, duh. I'd still very much exercise caution in getting expectations up, but good luck regardless~
Also if any of you want to put your money where your mouth is, I'm open to avatar bets. PM me if interested.
Hey, be nice.
It ha Shadow, Ken, Chorus Kids, Mach Rider, Isaac, Banjo&Kazooie, and Geno and supposedly KOS-MOS.A new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
No Shantae = fake xDA new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
So it seems this leaker is choosingA new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Not gonna lie, I would really like kos-mos.
I dont know just some people say she's above Yoshi..that looks like ROB though since I cant find HIM anywhere else
Yeah I was trying to see how that picture matched kos mos but I can't really see it. The blurriness is too strong.
Are these sales strictly for the 3DS/Wii U entries, or do they include the Switch? Pirate's Curse is getting rereleased on the latter very soon.Lotsa responses. Let's try to hit the highlights.
Shovel Knight has closer ties to Nintendo.
By publishing the title and collaborating on the merchandise Nintendo is automatically and literally invested in the game. Objectively, that is a closer working relationship, they are an active investor and direct purveyor, not simply a licensor, curator and recipient of third-party profit.
Plus it doesn't matter if Yacht Club commissioned the amiibo, that doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo is a party to it. Doesn't matter who the impetus came from here if both parties ended up in collaboration.
And also, it not being exclusive doesn't diminish its ties with Nintendo, it just means it has other ties extending elsewhere. Business ties are not a finite commodity.
On the other hand the closeness of Shantae's ties seem chalked up to...
Shantae is in promotional material.
If you mean to insinuate Shovel Knight doesn't also appear in promotional material I take it you've never watched a Nindie presentation. Right now the character at the top of Nintendo's "Nindie" section is the Hollow Knight protagonist. Yet that doesn't make him closely tied to Nintendo either. Even if he got another three games.
Go to the "featured" section of the eShop right now and I bet you'll find some stuff with pretty tenuous ties to Nintendo past just being on the platform. The level at which Shantae is promoted is not abnormal enough to worthy of distinction.
Oh and as far as appearing more and longer, sure. But longer relationship doesn't inherently mean a closer one.
WayForward is being silent to Smash tweets.
So is Team Meat. So is Choice Provisions. So is Nicalis. So is Playtonic. All noisy boys circa the ballot. Be careful reading into things. It could mean she's an AT. It could mean nothing.
Shantae is more popular in Japan
Here's the thing. No matter who is more "popular", no matter who "sold better", Japanese reception to both Shovel Knight and Shantae is, at best, a wash. Both series have sold horribly there. Yeah one has to perform better than the other, but either way, Japanese reception remains an impediment to both, because neither is actually good. To have a touchstone of the rhetoric be that one series didn't perform as abysmally as the other is not a strong point.
So, to that end, while she might have more art (shocking as it might be that a skimpy genie would get more fanart than armor and a shovel) and she might have a couple figurines, nevertheless... get ready for it, Shovel Knight sold better.
As per every Media Create listing (the company Nintendo cites during conferences/presentations) only one Shantae release had its exact first-week units listed, which was 3.3k. The top 20 games of that week are listed with sales figures every week, with number twenty bottoming out around 3-2.5k. Then #s 21-50 are listed without specific units. Two other Shantae releases made this section, I gave them a generous 2.5k each. The remaining Shantae titles (each listing is per console, btw) didn't chart in the top 50, I gave those a liberal 1.5k. Together that's around 17k. Given how unpopular PC releases are in Japan, let's give the entire series' PC release another generous 3k. And let's account for post-first-week sales, none of which charted, at a cumulative, and exceedingly generous 10k, given the precipice after first-weeks sales. That brings us to 30k.
Now let's look at Shovel Knight. We don't have to do the same thing with his releases, as Yacht Club confirmed months back that the title hit two million globally. He's the breakdown by country.
![]()
Unfortunately the exact breakdown cuts off right before Japan. However, even though it looks to be about 3% of total sales, let's call it a very very conservative 2%. With the total of 2 mil, 2% would bring it to 40k (even though in likelihood it looks closer to 50, maybe 60k). That's a 10k disparity between the two, and that's being very generous for Shantae and very conservative for Shovel Knight.
Keep in mind that's also one game versus three (the first Shantae didn't release there).
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If you still disagree with me, which I'm sure many of you will, fair enough. But I'm not going to prolong my involvement here any more, I've said pretty much all I have to say. If Shantae is in the game, that'd be cool, and I'd be psyched. I think she meshes well with the cast and would bring a neat, novel moveset and fresh supporting content. However, I don't foresee it as a likelihood, which a great deal of you seem to. It is the Shantae thread, after all, so, you know, duh. I'd still very much exercise caution in getting expectations up, but good luck regardless~
Also if any of you want to put your money where your mouth is, I'm open to avatar bets. PM me if interested.
Not gonna lie, this leak legitimately scares me. Apparently the guy who leaked this accidentally left his personal info in frame and 4chan found out he actually works for a printing company that works with Bandai Namco. Also he's apparently skilled in graphic design so it's possible he faked it but nobody can debunk the photos yet. I just........**** man this is literally the only thing to ever shake my faith and make me think "damn I guess she's just an assist trophy after all" but the ONE thing that still doesn't add up to me is Shantae's absence from any other crossover fighter. That is literally the last strand of hope I'm holding on to and I'm terrified that the actual reason for it might be completely unrelated to Smash. **** it, I'm betting on the pics being fake, if the next direct has ****in Mach Rider or Chorus Kids in it then I give up because those are the only unsafe guesses in this picture.A new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
hey man even if this leak is REAL, we can hope for DLC IF....F she DOES NOT appear in the Assist Trophy reel assuming we get another.
Am I the only person that's immune to this nonsense? Besides, I don't spend my time on the site 24/7.
Don't know about the rest of you, but that Shadow looks 3D to me.A new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
A new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
I can't help but notice Daisy still seems to be interacting with nothing and there seems to be space deliberately left next to her butt lolA new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
I mean yeah but if it was fake, he sure did have to go through alot of trouble (such as rearranging characters and making that linkedin profile)
Where’s banjos feet?A new leak came up, and so far nobody has been able to truly debunk it. It's blurry, but thats because its screenshots that come from a snapshat story.
I have no idea if its real, but it doesn't seem to have ShantaePlease prove me wrong.We'll likely have to sit on it for awhile, as while it hasn't be debunked, it hasn't been confirmed yet.
Im off to bed. Please try to remain calm and not jump to conclusions.
microsoft took them.
