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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Hollywoodrok12

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I'm calling bunk on this theory. First of all, we don't see the other side of the box. Secondly, why are so many characters missing? There's no way we're only getting two more characters this far away from launch.
He addresses it in the twitter thread. He basically talks about the way the characters are grouped and how it would look on the other side, eventually leading to only 2 more characters.
 
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He addresses it in the twitter thread. He basically talks about the way the characters are grouped and how it would look on the other side, eventually leading to only 2 more characters.
Don’t you dare get our hopes down.
 

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Box theory is worse than the chairs theory.
Headcanon:

> Chairs were meant for Shantae's reveal.
> Planned reveal during Nindies Direct.
> Pulled from the Direct for various reasons.
> Throw a game in the now-open slot to keep from having to reshoot parts of the Direct.
> Isabelle get's revealed in the already planned 9.6 direct with new AC game announcement.
> Chair theory was right all along, but we were all just ****in' baited
> Theories are now in shambles.

 
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Captain Hazama

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He addresses it in the twitter thread. He basically talks about the way the characters are grouped and how it would look on the other side, eventually leading to only 2 more characters.
Hey... Not to be mean, but it always seems you're the bearer of 'Bad News'. It's also that guys theory. Does not mean it's set in stone.

Not begin mean, but I just find it amusing it's always you.
 

Teeb147

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Since I don't want to bring anyone down about it, I'm just going to say that the box theory is funny.
It doesn't look right, and even if it were how the box would look (which is kinda of weird to put the characters like that on it), it's still just a theory based on a box, lol. I don't think they'd actually put all the characters in a certain order on it or based on a specific roster number.

Anyway, you can keep a lookout if you want, but for now I think we can just dismiss it :)
 
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perfectchaos83

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Since I don't want to bring anyone down about it, I'm just going to say that the box theory is funny.
It doesn't look right, and even if it were how the box would look (which is kinda of weird to put the characters like that on it), it's still just a theory based on a box, lol. I don't think they'd actually put all the characters in a certain order on it or based on a specific roster number.

Anyway, you can keep a lookout if you want, but for now I think we can just dismiss it :)
It's prerelease promotional material. There's no reason to put any stock into it.
 

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Headcanon:

> Chairs were meant for Shantae's reveal.
> Planned reveal during Nindies Direct.
> Pulled from the Direct for various reasons.
> Throw a game in the now-open slot to keep from having to reshoot parts of the Direct.
> Isabelle get's revealed in the already planned 9.6 direct with new AC game announcement.
> Chair theory was right all along, but we were all just ****in' baited
> Theories are now in shambles.
Any of that could have been confirmed or disproved, if it weren't for that damned


(On that note, I hope the Hokkaido recovery efforts have been doing well…)
 
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Headcanon:

> Chairs were meant for Shantae's reveal.
> Planned reveal during Nindies Direct.
> Pulled from the Direct for various reasons.
> Throw a game in the now-open slot to keep from having to reshoot parts of the Direct.
> Isabelle get's revealed in the already planned 9.6 direct with new AC game announcement.
> Chair theory was right all along, but we were all just ****in' baited
> Theories are now in shambles.


I felt like that was meant for the next smash direct just like they did with krool in the e3 direct
 

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It would be the greatest thing if they were actually holding off on revealing Shantae until October and unveil her like this. Have it take place in the Nightmare Woods and Rottytops trolling not just Luigi but someone serious with him like Simon who would retaliate against our lovable zombie, then Shantae swoops in to get her out of the mess she made.
There's no way they'd put Luigi through that kind of thing for a trailer again, no matter how much they may enjoy him suffering. It'd just be too similar to the Castlevania trailer.
Headcanon:

> Chairs were meant for Shantae's reveal.
> Planned reveal during Nindies Direct.
> Pulled from the Direct for various reasons.
> Throw a game in the now-open slot to keep from having to reshoot parts of the Direct.
> Isabelle get's revealed in the already planned 9.6 direct with new AC game announcement.
> Chair theory was right all along, but we were all just ****in' baited
> Theories are now in shambles.

In retrospect, the posts leading up to the original Direct date and most of the office hints could also apply to Isabelle. Yellow, and the tropical plants could be referencing Tortimer Island of New Leaf. That still leaves the purple and ''lamp'' unaccounted for, however...

And to be honest, yellow really isn't the color that comes to mind when I think Shantae. If it's not purple for her hair then it's red. Not just due to her red clothing but association with fire in her art.
 
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AngrySun88

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This is a placeholder image, everyone. There's nothing preventing them from editing it again to accommodate new fighters. So I wish people would stop believing in every conspiracy that comes along for the sake of "bad news". There's no way we're only getting two new fighters.

This box theory is BS until proven otherwise.
 
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KirbyWorshipper2465

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There's no way they'd put Luigi through that kind of thing for a trailer again, no matter how much they may enjoy him suffering. It'd just be too similar to the Castlevania trailer.


In retrospect, the posts leading up to the original Direct date and most of the office hints could also apply to Isabelle. Yellow, and the tropical plants could be referencing Tortimer Island of New Leaf. That still leaves the purple and ''lamp'' unaccounted for, however...
Plus they don't recycle characters. Each trailer involves a different set of characters.

Isabelle's was an outlier, seeing as it was something of a bottle episode with no one else in it barring Tom's segue into the mainline AC 2019 reveal.
 
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This is a placeholder image, everyone. There's nothing preventing them from editing it again to accommodate new fighters. So I wish people would stop believing in every conspiracy that comes along for the sake of "bad news". There's no way we're only getting two new fighters.

This box theory is BS until proven otherwise.

Your right the theory is bs no way we end with 2
 

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Plus they don't recycle characters. Each trailer involves a different set of characters.

Isabelle's was an outlier, seeing as it was something of a bottle episode with no one else in it barring Tom's segue into the mainline AC 2019 reveal.
Well it's not unheard of to reuse characters in different trailers (it'd be easier to count the Smash 4 trailers that didn't have Mario in them).

Then again, the scenarios we're getting for Ultimate trailers are also much more elaborate and unorthodox, instead of just being lead-ins to a fight.
 

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This is a placeholder image, everyone. There's nothing preventing them from editing it again to accommodate new fighters. So I wish people would stop believing in every conspiracy that comes along for the sake of "bad news". There's no way we're only getting two new fighters.

This box theory is BS until proven otherwise.
I think my biggest issue with this theory is that, if it is true, then 5 of the 8 (supposedly) post-E3 newcomers (counting echoes) were revealed in August, leaving only 3 to be revealed from September until release (which seems like a really weird reveal schedule). Plus, it doesn't really make sense to reveal both of the game's biggest (figuratively and literally) newcomers more than 4 months out.
 
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Teeb147

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So, aside from it not mattering for now..
What if this is an elaborate scheme by Sakurai to lower our expectations, so that we're pleasantly grateful to get however many more are left? :p
 
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What if this is an elaborate scheme by Sakurai to lower our expectations, so that we're pleasantly grateful to get however many more are left? :p
It always was. Remember the whole "I hope you're not expecting too many new fighters" thing. Sakurai's a slippery boi.
 
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Shadowknight1

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It always was. Remember the whole "I hope you're not expecting too many new fighters" thing. Sakurai's a slippery boi.
Yeah. We all bought into that. Pretty much everyone was expecting one new character and an echo going into the August Direct and BAM. 2 new characters and 3 echoes. We were rope-a-doped. And there's no way they would've blown the lot that soon.
 

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As for the Box theory, sure, it could be true, but i have some problems with it.

Firstly with the way Sakurai did say not to expect too many characters, but we still have more than two months before Smash releases and the way Sakurai has been revealing characters if we only got two more in that time it would be a very sudden shift. If there were only two left it would have made more sense to save some of the echos for later directs to sparse it out more. With him revealing 3-5 characters per Dedicated direct, if there were only two left then that would be one direct left with two reveals, or two directs with one each.

Also, remember how much Sakurai cares about surprises. He got upset about the cut scenes showing up online, he got upset about characters being revealed before he wanted to show them off, I highly doubt he would be ok with some post production box art spoiling the exact number of characters left to be revealed.
 

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It always was. Remember the whole "I hope you're not expecting too many new fighters" thing. Sakurai's a slippery boi.
Yeah. We all bought into that. Pretty much everyone was expecting one new character and an echo going into the August Direct and BAM. 2 new characters and 3 echoes. We were rope-a-doped. And there's no way they would've blown the lot that soon.
Indeed. There's no way a silly box is going to suddenly invalidate all of that when its artwork could easily be changed and shrunken down.
 

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Any of that could have been confirmed or disproved, if it weren't for that damned


(On that note, I hope the Hokkaido recovery efforts have been doing well…)
You're the worst for using that clip XD
Actually, last year we had an earthquake come through Montana, too! We were confused as to why the ground was vibrating at first, before the actual quake struck. We were wondering "What the Hell just happened?" it was a 5.7 magnitude quake.
 

SuperNintendoKid

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Okay. So, genuine question.

We all know that eSports are becoming a major thing. Nintendo is pushing Ultimate to be this super competitive thing. So, with that in mind, do you guys plan on entering tourneys if Nintendo ever Hosts competitive leagues?

Might ask in a genral post about an idea for Smash eSports, but yeah.
as a canadian, i hope nintendo doesn't just have them for the USA and Japan :C
 

Parallel_Falchion

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Box theory is worse than the chairs theory.
In one corner, actual promotional material for the game.

In the other, chairs in a presentation's backdrop.

Which do you honestly think would be more likely to hint at unrevealed content in the game? Be real here.

For my take, I think this one is worth looking at. A post I made on another site:
Now, notice that it starts with Luigi at the top and then goes in sequential order. It's missing 9 characters right away - the original 8 plus Dark Samus. It then continues for another 9 characters, up to Sheik, before breaking. 9 more characters are missing, from Zelda to Mewtwo. Then we get Roy to Snake, 9 characters. 9 more are missing, Ike to R.O.B. Then we get Toon Link to Mii Fighters, another 9. Then eight characters are missing, from Palutena to Cloud, suggesting an echo fighter of one of those 8 (Palutena, Pac-Man, Robin, Shulk, Bowser Jr. Ryu, Cloud). Then we have 9 more slots, with Isabelle missing and one more unknown.

If this is supposed to include everyone and just has unrevealed fighters edited off, this would mean we're getting one more newcomer and an echo fighter of one of the above 8.

This looks like a very deliberate design to me, so while it's technically true that it can still be edited, I don't think it will be. Would they really resize it just to make it look like this is how it will look when it actually doesn't? Everyone is saying it means nothing, but I think people just don't want to believe it because it's disappointing. It is also possible that just not every fighter will appear on the box, but then why design it like this?


What I forgot to mention here is that those missing characters are almost certainly on the other side of the box that we can't see.
 

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Coming back after a couple pages, I'm glad you guys are still chugging along :)

Have some various thoughts on topics from the last couple pages.

Honestly now's the hard part of waiting for anything really. I guess it's good to have a breather after the hype that comes with new directs. Although I've seen people saying Isabelle isn't popular enough and boy is that wrong, she's got two amiibos, plushies, a 3DS that's themed after her, mugs... etc. That's popular!

Also implying no one died in Isabelle's trailer when Tom Nook appears afterwards and he's dead inside.

I'd love Shantae to get in, and being number 69 wouldn't stop me from wanting her, although the internet will be extra weird and creepy with that. Probably. The internet'll be weird and creepy anyway, regardless of number I guess.

With leaks, they kinda just take the magic outta things. I mean it's nice to know, but having that reveal ruined for you is kinda disappointing. With the abundance of leaks now though, I'm basically unable to trust any leak and its frustrating when people take them as 100% truth. Who knows though, maybe our evidence is just nothing, but if that's the case then WayForward could have just said "She's not in, sorry" ages ago and stopped this crazy train. Their silence is so suspicious! SO SUSPICIOUS!

Does anyone else get those hopes with new Smash trailers that leaks are proven completely false? Because I do!

Also about trolls hating on Shantae, that kinda only makes me want her more. If you're gonna spend your time being a jerk and pulling down people who want her in smash, then I hope she gets in and you have nothing more to go on. Then again, knowing trolls they'll move on to the next thing after about a week or so of salt.

Aand now I'm all caught up, sorry for the big ramble!
 

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If this is supposed to include everyone and just has unrevealed fighters edited off, this would mean we're getting one more newcomer and an echo fighter of one of the above 8.
However, this goes against several things. Only two more characters would place the newcomer total far below the average compared to the last 3 entries in the series. Only two more reveals (one of which is an echo) 3 months out from release is simply nonsensical. Promotional art has changed before (this happens all the time with many games, not just Smash and Nintendo).
 

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Alright, glad to see you all chugging back on the train (..is that a weird expression?..)

I'm gonna stick with this avatar for now, sorry for my shifty day XD
 

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In one corner, actual promotional material for the game.

In the other, chairs in a presentation's backdrop.

Which do you honestly think would be more likely to hint at unrevealed content in the game? Be real here.

For my take, I think this one is worth looking at. A post I made on another site:
Now, notice that it starts with Luigi at the top and then goes in sequential order. It's missing 9 characters right away - the original 8 plus Dark Samus. It then continues for another 9 characters, up to Sheik, before breaking. 9 more characters are missing, from Zelda to Mewtwo. Then we get Roy to Snake, 9 characters. 9 more are missing, Ike to R.O.B. Then we get Toon Link to Mii Fighters, another 9. Then eight characters are missing, from Palutena to Cloud, suggesting an echo fighter of one of those 8 (Palutena, Pac-Man, Robin, Shulk, Bowser Jr. Ryu, Cloud). Then we have 9 more slots, with Isabelle missing and one more unknown.

If this is supposed to include everyone and just has unrevealed fighters edited off, this would mean we're getting one more newcomer and an echo fighter of one of the above 8.

This looks like a very deliberate design to me, so while it's technically true that it can still be edited, I don't think it will be. Would they really resize it just to make it look like this is how it will look when it actually doesn't? Everyone is saying it means nothing, but I think people just don't want to believe it because it's disappointing. It is also possible that just not every fighter will appear on the box, but then why design it like this?

What I forgot to mention here is that those missing characters are almost certainly on the other side of the box that we can't see.
It's entirely possible that the box designers were given a designated character slot amount limit, so that even they wouldn't know the actual final base roster number.

Otherwise, I find it strange that they'd intentionally spoil the number of upcoming character reveals (the slots, not the characters themselves) in what is otherwise part of a secretive development cycle.
 

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BTW, Mr Bozon on Twitter is contacting DeviantArt regarding the false flag Shantae fanart takedowns. Hopefully he lays down the law with them, cause that was some bogus crap.
 

Parallel_Falchion

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However, this goes against several things. Only two more characters would place the newcomer total far below the average compared to the last 3 entries in the series. Only two more reveals (one of which is an echo) 3 months out from release is simply nonsensical. Promotional art has changed before (this happens all the time with many games, not just Smash and Nintendo).
-Lower than average newcomer count: While I don't typically like throwing this out, Sakurai has already said to not expect too many new challengers. This isn't unlikely.
-Two more reveals is nonsensical: Honestly, I agree, though perhaps to a lesser degree. But it's not out of the realm of possibility.
-Promotional art changes: Yes, but when does something like this change? This isn't like the banner on the site that's clearly made to allow any number of additional characters. This is a deliberate design with a clear end. This reminds me of when the Fire Emblem Warriors box art was leaked and when it was proven to be real with Lyn's reveal, people thought it didn't have everyone because there weren't enough Shadow Dragon characters and Navarre, who we'd already seen, wasn't on it. Turns out it really was the final roster and Navarre was only playable as DLC.
 

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WayForward could have just said "She's not in, sorry" ages ago and stopped this crazy train.
basically us right now

Does anyone else get those hopes with new Smash trailers that leaks are proven completely false? Because I do!
oh I am WITH you. believe you ME. some leaks just have the most detestable "reveals" that I cant imagine sakurai ever to consider. X_X
 

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I absolutely hate this theory, but if it somehow was real, than I'd say the Smash community would almost be fighting to the death, to figure o
basically us right now



oh I am WITH you. believe you ME. some leaks just have the most detestable "reveals" that I cant imagine sakurai ever to consider. X_X
So, what you're saying is that the hype train is going strong, all of our sudden she's dis confirmed, and then all of our hopes and dreams blow up in to millions of tiny little pieces?
 
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