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There are also the MLG ladders.. but MLG is kind of a gross place.
Why is MLG gross?
Something about strategy and survival or some shiz
Will our god, Mr. E, be there?
Cool, hope he does well if he's there.
Yeah, I experienced the stage spike ledge-getup attack once. It was glorious. Haven't recreated it since.
JingleJangleJamil
Don't be discouraged man. I admit that Marth may have been a bit over nerfed, but that doesn't mean Marth isn't unviable now. He still has all the stats and tools necessary to space and attack properly with tippers and while his aerial game isn't amazing, you can still do some potent strings by pulling out some nice neutral airs or forward airs early on and manage to chip the opponent enough for a forward smash read and force the opponent to shield if they can't get out of your zone. You can use that to try to pull off some sick b reversals and take out an opponents shield to get another KO. I plan on showcasing some videos when I have access to my laptop showcasing some really nice things you can do with Marth. All I can say for now is to not lose hope on Marth if you really want to get good with him, he might not be the best character in the game, but he's still able to be successful if you put a lot of effort. :3
Quickhero
Hmm really? Maybe I should use that when someone is pressuring me,but I am of course not going to quit Marth and I know he is definitely viable, it is just that Marth does not have much of a combo game. I feel like a lot of nerfs when it comes to his combos are because of too much knockback when your opponent is at low %. By this I mean even weak moves like foward throw have been made nearly useless because they send opponents too far. Even as a an edgegaurd setup it isn't that useful since all it takes is an airdodge to avoid any attack you go for, and if you bait the airdodge they will be on the stage before you can punish it.
I know. They pretty much nerfed his entire throw game. His throws have to much knock to combo, but too title to KO. The only useful one is U-Throw,since that can KO at 170%.@
Yeah,but that can be escaped by DI or airdodging. Same with d throw into up air. I don't know why the hell they felt the need to give every single move in the game so much unnecessary knockback as if they want everything to be a kill move.
Yeah. It's so hard to get a proper combo. So many moves have to much knock back to combo into anything. And those few combos only work at low percents and won't convert into a KO.
Mercify
, I recommend reading the following threads. Promotion to Great Lord by Emblem Lord will give you an insight on how to use Marth/Lucina. The Blade of Two Fates by EternalFlame will give you a more detailed outlook on how to use both characters. Start there. Additionally, if you have any specific questions on Marth/Lucina game-play go right ahead and ask! I'm sure we will be able to answer your questions!
Thank you so much for the help and tips. I really appreciate it all!@
Let's be honest with ourselves, I don't think insta-conversion from a combo to a kill would be very balanced on Marth, especially given how early Marth kills. I wouldn't necessarily say Sheik's triple/quadra f-air combo is a really FAIR (oh god that was terrible) combo seeing as how it just dominates stage control, or Diddy's incredibly annoying strings and early combos which leads to Diddy just making it incredibly difficult for most of the cast to handle him.(including not incredibly good Marth's)
I get it often enough. There's implicit timings and optimisations for how and when you jump to maximise safety and everything else. You want to be hitting them on the rise of your jump and just follow through with sour spot fairs, either fast falling or jumping again to continue the hits.
I should have specified that I was talking about the entire cast in general, with the exception on Diddy and Sheik. The fact that those characters have long combos that can convert into a KO gives them a huge advantage over the rest of the cast.Let's be honest with ourselves, I don't think insta-conversion from a combo to a kill would be very balanced on Marth, especially given how early Marth kills. I wouldn't necessarily say Sheik's triple/quadra f-air combo is a really FAIR (oh god that was terrible) combo seeing as how it just dominates stage control, or Diddy's incredibly annoying strings and early combos which leads to Diddy just making it incredibly difficult for most of the cast to handle him.(including not incredibly good Marth's)
While I'm not saying removing some lag on his aerials to provide him with a potential double tipped f-air combo of his own would be OP by any stretch. I am content for now with that sourspot n-air to tipped f-smash, which hits most heavy characters (at least Bowser, Donkey Kong, and Samus) at around 40% and ends up dealing a ridiculous amount (I think around 80%) and still provides quite a good knockback meaning you can zone said heavy character away from the stage. However, even with lighter weight characters like Lucina and Peach, you can still strong some f-airs, and use a nice f-smash RIGHT when they are going to grab the ledge for a KO at even 53% which is just ridiculous. (If I can get my laptop to work I'll probably end up showing it)
Something to test out, but I'm trying to see if you can reverse up-B, if so, d-throw to tipped Dolphin Slash will be a viable true combo starting at the 26% to anybody not Jigglypuff basically and has enough knockback at that point to become not easily punishable. Time to hit the labs I suppose.
EDIT: NEVERMIND CONFIRMED YOU CAN. :D
Ah well then. Still I think if the entire cast had one then oh boy the imbalance would be real. I think one of the reasons why the majority of the cast minus maybe Zelda is viable, nobody besides Diddy and Sheik has insanely strong combo to KO potential and thus reduces power creep. Maybe that's just me though.
I can understand that. The combo-oriented engine of Melee was very unbalancing, so I get that point. I just wish that Diddy and Sheik weren't so much better tan the rest of the cast.Ah well then. Still I think if the entire cast had one then oh boy the imbalance would be real. I think one of the reasons why the majority of the cast minus maybe Zelda is viable, nobody besides Diddy and Sheik has insanely strong combo to KO potential and thus reduces power creep. Maybe that's just me though.
F-smash on ledge kills as early as 50%, while F-Smash on center kills at like 70%. Yeah, they're nice and early, if you can get a solid read off it is super rewarding.
That's an interesting point. It's reminded me about something I've been thinking about for a while. That's the one I'd change on Marth. So I'll ask you guys.
Well that is definitely a problem,but we are complaining about knockback because Marth has little combo potential, like most other characters. It is more of a problem with the game as a whole rather than just Marth,but Marth suffers a lot more than others from the amount of knock back on moves.
Okay so let's say some of Marth's attacks have less knockback to supposedly help combos. How will Marth capitalize by the time he is finished lagging? By that the time the opponent (who was knocked-back a shorter distance) will be able to retaliate (sooner, if knockback was reduced) and he will be closer to Marth at that...which is less safe. And lower knockback will increase the percentage required to get a character into tumble animation. This is why knockback is the not the problem/solution for most characters including Marth. I got over the unusual knockback in this game, other than super high initial knockback jab finishers/low damage aerials, it's pretty fair IMO. But Marth doesn't have high knockback low damage aerials or jabs.
Ekans647
Melee lag, easily. Marth's range may not be the best, but it's enough to make him still do well, and imo wouldn't be that great of a buff. The decrease of lag would be HUGE however, because now he can do things like double f-air and just combo more fluidly which, unlike the first, really cannot be supplemented by good practice.