Sega - the future of wii

[The Halloween Captain]

I was looking into third party developers and Sega seems to be the only one doing anything remotely interesting, with planned launches of MadWorld and the Conduit (and Sonic and the Black Knight). The third party developers actually dislike developing for the wii because of it's relatively low processing power and the fact that concepts can more easily be ported to the wii than from it.

Is Sega's prominence as the hardcore market leader a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ubisoft is making a teenage mutant ninja turtle fighting game! ...that's remotely interesting...

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Ubisoft is making a teenage mutant ninja turtle fighting game! ...that's remotely interesting...

Was that sarcasm, or are you serious?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/25/wii-developer-publishers-wary-of-creating-for-nintendo/

 

[Spire]

Every day I dislike the Wii more and more. Maybe Sega can reestablish themselves in the console wars from their success with the Wii (seeing as how they didn't do as well last generation).

The odds of that happening are extremely slim though, seeing as how the video game [console] market = corporate giants. No newbies allowed (or retired veterans).

 

[§leepy God]

Every day I dislike the Wii more and more.

♪ I'm going to need you to get Geko OS on your Wii and play some Japanese Wii game's son. ♪

♪ I'll say the Wii's problem is holding the graphics or some of the gameplay the PS3 or 360 holds, the one reason they should had came with a hard-drive. But I'll say that Ubisoft this time is helping Wii get it's core back, (seeing how Red Steel was a good start, but the controls needed work). ♪

 

[The Halloween Captain]

I disagree with the need for better graphics.

Even with a high definition T.V., the graphics for videogames have improved enough that it doesn't seem necesary for the wii to have significantly better displays. Heck, gamecube era games were usually graphically sound enough that the crudeness of the images never really got in the way of gameplay. This is especially true for the wii, as the main problem it experiences is that developers choose not to focus enough on the graphical abilities it already has, thus leading to ugly games that the wii could easily exceed had the developers put in the time.

 

[Spire]

♪ I'm going to need you to get Geko OS on your Wii and play some Japanese Wii game's son. ♪

♪ I'll say the Wii's problem is holding the graphics or some of the gameplay the PS3 or 360 holds, the one reason they should had came with a hard-drive. But I'll say that Ubisoft this time is helping Wii get it's core back, (seeing how Red Steel was a good start, but the controls needed work). ♪

I don't know if I'm motivated enough to do that. The 360 has tied me over well. Plus, I like to read the text in-game.

I'll love the day when Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft fall out of the console wars (for whatever reason), and some new companies take over. Zelda will go airborne and I will buy it.

 

[Darkslash]

The only console I love this gen is the Wii. Using the 360 and PS3 controllers, after playing the Wii a ****lot, now cramp my hands even thinking about it. But every game that I want to play on the 360 and Ps3 is done some what better on the PC.

Any ways back on Topic:

It seems that EA is also trying to reach the hardcore hopefully. Recently now they are going to develop more "non-Casual" games for the Wii, due to the lower cost compared to the HD consoles. So maybe the big companies are coming to their senses that the Wii isn't the white thing that give's pleasure for 5 minutes that can be shared by anyone.

 

[GreenKirby]

I think 3rd party developers just hate developing for Nintendo systems, period.

Sadly, one would think that because Nintendo allow deregulation this time for the Wii, would have allow 3P to develop games for them.

 

[Mic_128]

Sega seems to be the only one doing anything remotely interesting, with [...] the Conduit

They aren't doing anything except publishing the game. A (company? third party? bunch of people who wanted to make a game?) made it and needed a publisher and with the offer they had they went with Sega.

 

[Crimson King]

Exactly. You guys don't seem to understand the difference between publisher and developer. Sega is PUBLISHING games that may or may not be good for the Wii.

Experience talking here, don't get caught up in the hype of games like MadWorld and The Conduit until you've played them.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Exactly. You guys don't seem to understand the difference between publisher and developer. Sega is PUBLISHING games that may or may not be good for the Wii.

Experience talking here, don't get caught up in the hype of games like MadWorld and The Conduit until you've played them.

Actually, the interesting thing is that Sega is willing to publish these games.

I looked up the Conduit and a few others; initially, no publisher was willing to take the Conduit because it did not fit into the "wii luv minigamez" stereotype. If it wasn't for hype, the Conduit would have been a dead veture, and Sega was the most receptive company to the idea. Oppose this to "Winter," a survival horror that was cancelled because publishers decided there was no market, and the importance that Sega is willing to publish games that other studios develop becomes placed into perspective.

In short, NO OTHER PUBLISHER is willing to take the risks necessary to publish these styles of games.

 

[Darkslash]

Actually, the interesting thing is that Sega is willing to publish these games.

I looked up the Conduit and a few others; initially, no publisher was willing to take the Conduit because it did not fit into the "wii luv minigamez" stereotype. If it wasn't for hype, the Conduit would have been a dead veture, and Sega was the most receptive company to the idea. Oppose this to "Winter," a survival horror that was cancelled because publishers decided there was no market, and the importance that Sega is willing to publish games that other studios develop becomes placed into perspective.
.

Actually it was the complete opposite. High Voltage didn't pick an immediate Publisher becuase most of them wanted "Lulz crap out the Conduit before christmas lulz" Of course SEGA was the only one remotely interested.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Actually it was the complete opposite. High Voltage didn't pick an immediate Publisher becuase most of them wanted "Lulz crap out the Conduit before christmas lulz" Of course SEGA was the only one remotely interested.

That was after the hype. Before it was hyped on the internet, The Conduit was not publishable.

Compare it to Winter.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/21/winter-yet-another-publisher-deprived-mature-wii-game/

 

[metalmonstar]

Isn't sega also publishing house of dead as well. It is really good that they are backing all these games. I just hope they advertise like they have promised. Games don't sell if people don't know about them. Just ask Capcom.

Companies have already stated that they cannot ignore the wii any longer. It is on track to be the fastest selling video game console. You just can't ignore a userbase that big. It comes to the point where even if you game has an abysmal attach rate it can still sell enough copies to break even.

PS3 suffers from the N64 ideology. There console is hard to create games for and costly as well. It is not a good combination.

Xbox360 has a good attatch rate and is probably the go to system for hardcore games. Trying to break the FPS stereotype though is a somewhat diffcult task though. Just ask Square.

Ubisoft and EA have been shovelling out whatever they think will make money. Both of them have jumped on the whole fitness thing. It is good to see that the two will eventually be bringing out a more core lineup.

 

[Undrdog]

You people are nuts. The big Wii games are coming from Namco. lol However the new Ghostbusters game is going to be a must have, but not even worth having for the Wii. This will end up being the final straw for most media outlets.

 

[The Drifter]

Is Sega truly the future of the Wii? They are not the sole future of the Wii, but they are apart of it, as they are working with third party developers to bring some credibility back to the Wii.

 

[Deleted member]

Sega is going to have to do well because it seems the Wii's big guns have all been used. I never thought that Sega would be the last glimmer of hope on a commercially successful Nintendo console that has more or less dropped the core audience. 10 years ago, suggesting that Sega would be making some of a Nintendo console's best games would be classified as lunacy.

I need to write less big words from now on.

 

[Frown]

Sega is going to have to do well because it seems the Wii's big guns have all been used.

And Nintendo will keep printing money as long as parents think their kids will get fit from playing Wii.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Nintendo just needs to make another Zelda or Mario game...

 

[GreenKirby]

Yes let's just IGNORE the other Nintendo franchises because they're not Mario or Zelda like the Nintendo 'hardcore' has been doing for years. We should just demand Mario, Zelda, and nothing else. *rolls eyes*

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yes let's just IGNORE the other Nintendo franchises because they're not Mario or Zelda like the Nintendo 'hardcore' has been doing for years. We should just demand Mario, Zelda, and nothing else. *rolls eyes*

If they want to make money

 

[MBreeto]

Dreamcast 2? I wish. I think i'll try mad world, it looks pretty cool

 

[Darkslash]

Yes let's just IGNORE the other Nintendo franchises because they're not Mario or Zelda like the Nintendo 'hardcore' has been doing for years. We should just demand Mario, Zelda, and nothing else. *rolls eyes*

needs moar star fox, Metroid, Metroid Marine spin-off? and a good Sonic.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

needs moar star fox, Metroid, Metroid Marine spin-off? and a good Sonic.

Starfox has been increasingly sucking as the years go on, and I HATE FPS Metroid games.

Other than F-Zero, which is NOT my favorite racing game...What the hell else is there?

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Starfox has been increasingly sucking as the years go on, and I HATE FPS Metroid games.

Other than F-Zero, which is NOT my favorite racing game...What the hell else is there?

Pikmin, Pokemon, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Fire Emblem.

I find it surprising that anyone who plays Brawl can't immediately think of a few franchises, what with the thirty+ characters in the game.

 

[GreenKirby]

Because they're not Mario or Zelda so those franchises don't count in the Nintendo's 'hardcore' mind.

Note: Don't get the wrong idea, these Nintendo 'hardcore' I'm talking about =/= the hardcore who are ACTUALLY fans of more than Miyamoto's franchises. :D

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Pikmin, Pokemon, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Fire Emblem.

I find it surprising that anyone who plays Brawl can't immediately think of a few franchises, what with the thirty+ characters in the game.

Donkey Kong has sucked since RARE left Nintendo. Actually, Donkey Kong kinda sucked even on the Nintendo 64...once it entered the 3D era, it lost it's luster.

Kid Icarus hasn't had a game since 1991...I heard about some company getting the rights to make a sequel some time ago but I don't think any news came of that. I wonder if it was just canceled or something.

Luigi's Mansion wasn't a franchise, it was 1 game and a spin-off of the Mario series. Luigi may get a game in the future, who knows.

Kirby is a pretty good series, I am wondering how good they will be since Sakurai left HAL. So far they only released a remake of an old Kirby game since he left.

Fire Emblem I guess is alright, they are releasing a remake soon. Haven't played the one for the wii yet.


Really, maybe they should try and make a new game series...but than again, what's it matter anyway? They already have all the genre's accounted for. Making a new series would basically just be the same thing but adding a different gimmick to it. Sure it would be "Different"...

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Maybe they could invent a new genre like they did with Pikmin.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Maybe they could invent a new genre like they did with Pikmin.

Apparently Pikmin counts as an RTS, so it isn't really a new genre. It's just a new take on the genre...

 

[Deleted member]

Pikmin, Pokemon, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Fire Emblem.

Pikmin: That'd be cool
Pokemon: Pokémon doesn't usually fare well on consoles (Battle Rev)
Kid Icarus: It's been what, 20 years?
Luigi's Mansion: Just an above average spinoff
DK: Donkey Kong games have fallen apart recently
Kirby: Sure!
Fire Emblem: To be honest, it can't be casualized which limits value

Nintendo's high profile stuff is already done with (few exceptions)
Oh, I don't play Brawl. My Wii caught fire!

 

[thesage]

They could release mother 3 here >_>;

 

[M@v]

For starters, if Sonic team stopped releasing such terrible games we would be better off.


I want star fox wii ;_;

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

For starters, if Sonic team stopped releasing such terrible games we would be better off.

Well, Nintendo Power seems to think that Sonic & the Black Knight is pretty decent.

 

[Firus]

Pokemon: Pokémon doesn't usually fare well on consoles (Battle Rev)

Um...it's not really fair to take one rather crappy Pokemon console game and say that, as a result of that one, Pokemon doesn't usually fare well on consoles.

What about Pokemon Colosseum? Pokemon XD? Pokemon Stadium 1 + 2? Pokemon Snap?

Well, Nintendo Power seems to think that Sonic & the Black Knight is pretty decent.

Nintendo Power seems to think a lot of things, such as that the Wii > the Gamecube. They've turned into BS fanboys. Don't listen to them.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Fire Emblem: To be honest, it can't be casualized which limits value

Why would you want it to be?

 

[Firus]

I think he's saying that it limits value for Nintendo so they probably won't focus on it much. He's talking more about the technical possibilities than what he wants.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Nintendo Power seems to think a lot of things, such as that the Wii > the Gamecube. They've turned into BS fanboys. Don't listen to them.

So now I have no way of telling whether that game is good or not unless I play it? Great...

 

[MyCurse4Life]

Isn't sega also publishing house of dead as well. It is really good that they are backing all these games. I just hope they advertise like they have promised. Games don't sell if people don't know about them. Just ask Capcom.

Companies have already stated that they cannot ignore the wii any longer. It is on track to be the fastest selling video game console. You just can't ignore a userbase that big. It comes to the point where even if you game has an abysmal attach rate it can still sell enough copies to break even.

PS3 suffers from the N64 ideology. There console is hard to create games for and costly as well. It is not a good combination.

Xbox360 has a good attatch rate and is probably the go to system for hardcore games. Trying to break the FPS stereotype though is a somewhat diffcult task though. Just ask Square.

Ubisoft and EA have been shovelling out whatever they think will make money. Both of them have jumped on the whole fitness thing. It is good to see that the two will eventually be bringing out a more core lineup.

 

[metalmonstar]

Curse, why the hell is your post the exact same thing as mine?

Anyway, Sonic fans should know better than to hype up Sonic games. Sonic team has let us down far too many times.

What please me the most is the fact that Nintendo hasn't announced anything of their own. Maybe they are finally stepping back and letting third parties succeed for a change.