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[Chaco]

That would've made him look bad and given you far more heat to deal with. Best case would be you were able to defend properly, but at times it can be hard. Live and learn, you'll only get better.

Now, I plan on doing what I did to Nick with everyone tomorrow, but with more text on my part.

 

[M.K]

@Xivii, before he claimed I had strong suspicions about Nick. I may have come off as egging on, but I assure you, the message was instead trying to move the conversation away from Kevin v. Nick and instead promoting more open (for others to comment as well) discussion.

 

[M.K]

Just a further note, my suspicions regarding Nick have slowed. If I was 75% sure BEFORE the claim, I'm down to around 15-20% now.
Plus, Princess Leia might be fun to have around for...you know......
.....shooting things with...her blaster... >_>

 

[SwordsRbroken]

FF because he apparently has a good scumdar and people will be more inclined to trust him without thinking first.

If you're a smart townie player (i'm talking to everyone) you don't trust FF just because he's like the best player here. That's dumb. Never, EVER, trust a player because they are very good.

I think CK (you) is scum because he was power role phishing, he didn't bother to defend himself, even at L-1. So, i have a question now.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Just a further note, my suspicions regarding Nick have slowed. If I was 75% sure BEFORE the claim, I'm down to around 15-20% now.
Plus, Princess Leia might be fun to have around for...you know......
.....shooting things with...her blaster... >_>

Un CC'd cop = clear. Do the math, man.

 

[M.K]

Un CC'd cop = clear. Do the math, man.

I understand your claim. Don't be alarmed by that 15%, it's just in case that was somehow a fake claim.

BTW, what do you mean by CC'd? I can't find it on the list of used terms >_<.

 

[KevinM]

Un CC'd cop one the game as Mafia Traitor in simpsons mafia.

Not going to sit there and blindly follow a cop ever.

Lol @ Swords picture.

Would rather look at someone else rather then Xonar for now considering we have nothing on him besides his role fishing.

It's scummy and I think he should by lynched but best not waste the day without covering other options.

 

[KevinM]

@ Meta

It means Counter Claimed

as in someone else going NO I'M THE COP

 

[Nicholas1024]

Un CC'd cop one the game as Mafia Traitor in simpsons mafia.

Not going to sit there and blindly follow a cop ever.

Lol @ Swords picture.

Would rather look at someone else rather then Xonar for now considering we have nothing on him besides his role fishing.

It's scummy and I think he should by lynched but best not waste the day without covering other options.

Well what's your suggestion? Who should we look at?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If you're a smart townie player (i'm talking to everyone) you don't trust FF just because he's like the best player here. That's dumb. Never, EVER, trust a player because they are very good.

I think CK (you) is scum because he was power role phishing, he didn't bother to defend himself, even at L-1. So, i have a question now.

I don't trust him because he's a good player, but others might... just being safe like I said.

CK was rolefishing, true. Just see how I play and judge on that, please

I mad D:

 

[KevinM]

Well Nick since you're just ready for discussion now, what is your opinion of Xiivi.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Right, let's not spend the day tunneling against the claimed cop and a replacement. We can still lynch Scumnarson King if we don't find anything better. Plenty of things to discuss.
Need to hear A LOT more from Frozen / Mentos. My Fos hasn't vanished yet. Better get talking (voting too in Frozens case).

No voters need to step it up.

Now, I plan on doing what I did to Nick with everyone tomorrow, but with more text on my part.

Don't do that D1. Only do like top 3 suspects or something but not everyone. That's like serving scum their NKs for the rest of the game on a silver platter.

 

[mentosman8]

Need to catch up on this game a bit, I'll be back with something later tonight

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I agree with Gheb, FF needs to post something good. I'll take my vote off of Xonar (AKA scumsonking) for now and pressure Frozen.

unvote Vote: Frozen

 

[Ronike]

ALright, I finally have some time with which to catch up on this game with, so I shall now do so. First though:

Swords, I can tell already that you don't understand why some other vet posted this in the first place and you just decided to try to copy it, just like everything else that you copy. Stop copying and just develop a playstyle of your own for the love of god.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Is that really all you have to say right now? Nothing about FF, or even someone else? Diverting attention to the picture which i posted here as a joke? What does it matter if i copied it from someone else? It's not copying someone's playstyle. You're just trying to divert attention from the people on the scumdar to the picture, which has no meaning.

Vote: Ronike

 

[SwordsRbroken]

oops, unvote Vote: Ronike

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It was a 'first though' post, which means that it was just him commenting on something real quick. Why don't you wait for a bigger post next time before you judge him on that? And immediatly changing your vote on that... I don't know.

 

[Ronike]

Yeah, wow Swords, way to OMGUS...

Im currently in the process of reading up, which I said, but I'm just sick of you copying everyone else and told you such. It wasn't a "wow you're scummy" it was just "Wow, you're annoying". I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell my 12 year old brother on a daily basis: Just restating someone elses joke isn't funny. You have to find a way to make it your own.

Congratulations, you now have reached the annoyance level of a 12 year old little sibling.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Ronike, how are you accusing swords of OMGUS. You realize that that accusal doesn't make any sense at all. Especially when swords had a legitimate point.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

It's not omgus unless the other person voted you, or found you suspicious first. And i don't see what is wrong with restating someone's joke. You are making a big deal out of a picture that doesn't have much to do with the game! Besides, i haven't copied anyone else's jokes in a game. It seems scummy to divert the attention of the town to the picture, saying it's not funny that you copied someone's joke, when it really doesn't matter.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Crap, ninja'ed.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

how was it a legitimate point? ronike said "i'm now catching up on this game" and swords voted him asking "THAT IT?" and accusing him of distracting people by mentioning the picture again even though ronike acknowledged that his mentioning of it had no scumhunting value

 

[Ronike]

I have said numerous times that I haven't caught up or actually been reading at all due to RL difficulties. I haven't even read the current page, but in the process of scrolling down the page, I saw Sword's Picture which I knew was from newbie, and I know he's been just copying the **** out of others playstyles, so I called him out on it. What does he do?

Is that really all you have to say right now? Nothing about FF, or even someone else? Diverting attention to the picture which i posted here as a joke? What does it matter if i copied it from someone else? It's not copying someone's playstyle. You're just trying to divert attention from the people on the scumdar to the picture, which has no meaning.

Vote: Ronike

Accuses me of not reading or responding, even though I have said several times I haven't been reading and that I am making a response now, which I did as a courtesy as I hate it when people just don't show up for the longest time and I'm trying to be very thorough so its taking a while. Then he accuses me of trying to divert attention with the picture. I was just trying to tell him to grow his own personality. Not FOSing him or anything. It was to be taken as an aside and stuff. I probably should have just posted it in the critique thread, but didn't think of it at the time. So taking those two points which are completely wrong and using them as justification to change his vote on to me doesn't really seem like anything but OMGUS.

Post still in the works

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Swords, by replying on it that way YOU are diverting attention.
You could've also just left it alone and you could've waited for THE FULL POST.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Still not at all OMGUS.
ninjas

 

[#HBC | Mac]

vote: xonar

 

[Ronike]

It's not omgus unless the other person voted you, or found you suspicious first. And i don't see what is wrong with restating someone's joke. You are making a big deal out of a picture that doesn't have much to do with the game! Besides, i haven't copied anyone else's jokes in a game. It seems scummy to divert the attention of the town to the picture, saying it's not funny that you copied someone's joke, when it really doesn't matter.

Hey, I was just giving advice and telling you that it annoys me, not trying to create discussion about it. That's all you.

And your thoughts about OMGUS are completely wrong. It stands for Oh My God You Suck, which I can easily see you are thinking from what you are posting, therefore its OMGUS.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Nice parroting Xonar. Try telling me something i didn't know next time.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Hey, I was just giving advice and telling you that it annoys me, not trying to create discussion about it. That's all you.

And your thoughts about OMGUS are completely wrong. It stands for Oh My God You Suck, which I can easily see you are thinking from what you are posting, therefore its OMGUS.

It stands for Oh my Gosh you suck (for voting me).

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nice parroting Xonar. Try telling me something i didn't know next time.

It's just the truth. Why did you respond like that when you are doing exactly what you accuse him for? You are just doing the same as he is doing. It just makes no sense and it does exactly what you tried to prevent.

vote: xonar

u mad?

 

[Ronike]

Um, no it doesn't, and I love that you are trying to argue mafia linguistics with me when I've been here about 100 times as long as you. I know what I'm talking about.

But anyways, can we drop this now?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

But anyways, can we drop this and lynch xonar now?

^^ this

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Fine, i'll back off for now. unvote

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

^^ this

Elaborate pls?

 

[Ronike]

Alright, so here are my thoughts in a nutshell:

Meta-Kirby was extremely jumpy at first, but then again, first game having a decent wagon against you first thing? Who wouldn't be jumpy? But then he seemed to calm down a bit, which would be a sign to me that he's scum and his partners are explaining to him to chill, but again, that's kinda hard to justify seeing as how Nick took the pressure off him... Moron... All in all, not sure about him, but definitely one of the scummier players early day 1. FOS: Meta

-I think its weird that after being so active at the start of the game, he suddenly drifts out of activity and the spotlight...

-But he starts posting quite a bit soon after reappearing, so perhaps it just was a few days when he couldn't post. Seems to be reiterating what others have said before, but from a while ago, so more of a stealth copy. Which is kinda scummy, but then again he's new and has shown that he can retain information, which is always nice, even if said newbie is scum.

After Nick tells Meta to chill, Nick starts to pressure him too, which feels odd again to me. Possibly a distancing strategy or circle jerk, or maybe just nick caving under pressure...

Then there's Xiivi and his miller claim. I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and again note that he could easily be mafia trying to escape a cop investigation later. I don't know why there was such opposition when Swords brought that up, especially since I think its really a good point. If someone is miller, its probably to counter-balance some strong power, and if so, wouldn't they want to hide the fact that they were a miller and therefore likely some power role? I agree they'd want to get it out there if they knew they were miller (which I've never heard of before), but wouldn't they just breadcrumb it instead of flat coming out with it? It just seems really odd, especially when combined with the negative feedback upon swords bringing it up. FOS: Xiivi

The survivor discussion is strange too. What's the point in debating the existence of a survivor at this point? It just feels like an odd thing for Marshy to bring up, especially since his justification was "they'll be bored and lose and should just claim now." What? If I was survivor, I'd be doing whatever I could to survive, not get bored and give up. Plus he got sent the setup of the game? How are you in this game if you have the setup Marshy? That just seems unfair. So what's the point in bringing it up? Maybe Marshy's going for so when he has survived all the way into endgame and we haven't managed to kill the survivor and are searching, he can go "No way I'm survivor, I brought it up!" WIFOM? Yes, but I can easily see Marshy thinking that far ahead, and I honestly can't see any other reason as to why he brought it up and how he is in this game if he has the setup. FOS: Marshy

Then there's CK and his replacement Xonar. He came under fairly heavy fire early game for attempting to manipulate Meta, which I agree is Scummy. Upon being under fire, he then seems to freak out a bit and flail, during which he says he was just trying to help a newbie avoid being lynched. This was pointed out, but I didn't see him doing that anywhere, I just saw CK pressuring him further, even going so far as to say "You will be useless to us this game unless you have something to offer (tell me your role!)" basically. Odd...

-replaces out once he starts coming under fire again. Yes he has RL johns, but he's flat out given up before as scum and prolly come under fire for it. So this seems pretty telling to me.

-Xonar tries to get everyone to post why they are suspicious of him. Skimming, or unwilling to go back and read, though I guess I can kinda of understand it in this case. Still rubs me wrong though...

-Marshy points out that CK was doing other stuff even though he was "sick" even worse for Xonar

-#250 Xonar tells us to judge based on how he plays, which is basically saying "Please disregard all the scummy things CK did, kthx" Makes me feel uneasy.

Then nick swoops in with "RVS rarely (read: never) matters" which makes me want to read even more heavily into the RVS things he said. Protecting your scumbuddy much? Point is, RVS matters always. People play different as scum, and that's one of the most obvious places it happens. Either they play different, or try to cover up something their scum buddy did wrong, or try to distance from their scum buddy, etc. etc. Funny, you managed to do all three of those Nick (Nick/Meta team mayhaps?)! FOS: Nick

-Strengthed by the fact that as soon as Nick comes under fire, Meta jumps on his ***. Even though Meta's points had been around for awhile, he didn't decide to attack Nick until Nick came under fire

-Nick then uses the existence of an SK to show his gambit wasn't risky at all. What SK? Oh, you? Plus he's also trying to subconciously convince us that he's town by saying town a lot and just saying flat-out "Of course I'm town, so this argument is null" Hey Nick, sorry to have to tell you this, but you aren't a Jedi, and thus hand waves don't work...


-Nick says no one is advocating letting the survivor live even though his reasoning for letting the survivor live was "we'd have a confirmed not mafia member". CONTRADICTION!

-Princess Leia the cop? Well I guess that makes sense and I guess no one's cc'd you so... guess you're town? Ugh... Learn to play better man so that you don't have to reveal as cop day 1...

-Not that you're scummy nick, but stop being a baby. If people are anything like me, they read your arguments, saw loads of contradictions, nulltells, and stupid arguments and voted on you. They weren't just following Kevin, so stop being a petulant child.

-#236 Stop being emo. Kevin wasn't being scummy, you were just doing a pisspoor job of defending yourself, so stop being sore.

Kevin's bugging me too, but I feel its just more of a I don't like how he's telling everyone to stop doing certain things which aren't always that bad when done correctly (I.E: Gambit and Questions) than a scum reading. I'd say thusfar (#185) Kevin seems pretty town.

Chaco replaces in and starts his +- thing, which I have to say, I really like so far. May have to steal it... Anyways, a good replacement that is saying things I agree with a lot. Chaco town ++

Junglefever comes in with "It's pretty easy to follow the crowd when you make a ******** move like that." upon being accused of following the crowd, which makes me uneasy...

Marshy, is there anything you saw in his actual posts that you thought was scummy?

yes

unvote vote scummeta kirby

<3 the always hilarious Marshy

As for frozen *shrugs* He's been inactive like always. Besides one time pushing for a quicklynch on a mostly new player (and thus nabbing us a 1 scum for 1 bad town), he hasn't been all that scummy. Hell, even that ain't all that scummy.

So anyways, as for who is the scummiest thusfar, I'd say CK/Xonar. Thus, Vote: Xonar

I'll be around more.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

-Xonar tries to get everyone to post why they are suspicious of him. Skimming, or unwilling to go back and read, though I guess I can kinda of understand it in this case. Still rubs me wrong though...
No, I just prefer everyone to tell me their case clearly. There are often things that has already been solved but not posted about or things that people think that have not been posted about. That's why.
-Marshy points out that CK was doing other stuff even though he was "sick" even worse for Xonar
: (
-#250 Xonar tells us to judge based on how he plays, which is basically saying "Please disregard all the scummy things CK did, kthx" Makes me feel uneasy.
Yeah, this is a plea for you to forget CK. I know that's impossible, as he has the same roll as I do. I profit most if you forget CKs posts, which is why I ask to try to not judge me on him. I know it's impossible... but that's just a handicap that I will have to play with.

So anyways, as for who is the scummiest thusfar, I'd say CK/Xonar. Thus, Vote: Xonar

I'll be around more.

I understand your vote, this is my defense. ^^

 

[Nicholas1024]

Then nick swoops in with "RVS rarely (read: never) matters" which makes me want to read even more heavily into the RVS things he said. Protecting your scumbuddy much? Point is, RVS matters always. People play different as scum, and that's one of the most obvious places it happens. Either they play different, or try to cover up something their scum buddy did wrong, or try to distance from their scum buddy, etc. etc. Funny, you managed to do all three of those Nick (Nick/Meta team mayhaps?)! FOS: Nick

-Strengthed by the fact that as soon as Nick comes under fire, Meta jumps on his ***. Even though Meta's points had been around for awhile, he didn't decide to attack Nick until Nick came under fire

-Nick then uses the existence of an SK to show his gambit wasn't risky at all. What SK? Oh, you? Plus he's also trying to subconciously convince us that he's town by saying town a lot and just saying flat-out "Of course I'm town, so this argument is null" Hey Nick, sorry to have to tell you this, but you aren't a Jedi, and thus hand waves don't work...


-Nick says no one is advocating letting the survivor live even though his reasoning for letting the survivor live was "we'd have a confirmed not mafia member". CONTRADICTION!

-Princess Leia the cop? Well I guess that makes sense and I guess no one's cc'd you so... guess you're town? Ugh... Learn to play better man so that you don't have to reveal as cop day 1...

-Not that you're scummy nick, but stop being a baby. If people are anything like me, they read your arguments, saw loads of contradictions, nulltells, and stupid arguments and voted on you. They weren't just following Kevin, so stop being a petulant child.

-#236 Stop being emo. Kevin wasn't being scummy, you were just doing a pisspoor job of defending yourself, so stop being sore.

-If I meant never, I'd have said never. You know as well as I do that I've been in the occasional game where the RVS has mattered. (Wonderland mafia anyone? This isn't the first time I've brought the point up.)

-Interesting point.

- Wait, what? I don't try to use the existence of an SK in that way anywhere. As to the second part of the statement, I was trying pressure KevinM with the repeated "you're scum" points... of course, since nobody agreed with me, it just made me look dumb.

-You are the one that originally said skimming was scummy, right? Nobody said to let the survivor live until endgame, I advocated letting the survivor live for a while and lynching/vigging him right before mylo/lylo.

- No comment.

- If people would have explained why they were voting me, I wouldn't have had a problem with it, but when reasons aren't given(or I'm unsatisfied with them), I get really mad. You modded Test Subject, you've seen it from me before. (And if I recall, you got really ticked off by what I did in response...)

- Everyone says that, but I have yet to see a convincing argument. *sigh*

-

 

[Nicholas1024]

I understand your vote, this is my defense. ^^

Sorry man, you replaced into a pretty scummy player, and I don't think you'll be able to live it down. (This is why I don't do replacements.)

 

[Ronike]

My point is that people did explain why you were scummy, you just didn't think the points were valid when they were.

Also, you did too use an sk like that, I can go and grab it for you if you want, but its pointless since you are an uncc'd cop.