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[SwordsRbroken]

@Marshy - i'm saying that Millers aren't usually told that they are millers, and if they were, Scum may just say that they're a miller if they were investigated by a cop.

Also, what's with getting people to claim? We've only just started the game and you're trying to force people to roleclaim. Scum tactic right there, unvote Vote: Scumshy

 

[#HBC | marshy]

im asking an anti-town role to claim

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Marshy - i'm saying that Millers aren't usually told that they are millers, and if they were, Scum may just say that they're a miller if they were investigated by a cop.

Also, what's with getting people to claim? We've only just started the game and you're trying to force people to roleclaim. Scum tactic right there, unvote Vote: Scumshy

Look man, if I was a miller (and was told so), then I'd claim. That way, you don't waste a cop investigation and mislynch later in the game. Anyone that claimed miller after coming up guilty in an investigation, I'd lynch, as it would probably be a last-ditch effort by scum to get off the chopping block.

lolwhat? Um... getting the survivor to claim is good for town. It gives us a cleared non-mafia that we can rely on pre-mylo, and we can prevent him from joining with the mafia in mylo/lylo. (Assuming the mafia doesn't kill him before then to get rid of a trusted player.)

Vote: Swords for FAIL.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

"Let me see if I can get the newbie to hint if he has a power role or not."

unvote: vote: Crimson King

vote: CK

lolswords

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Not sure why Marshy thinks there's a survivor but yea, claim you ****er. You're a ****piece indy and you know it.

 

[mentosman8]

I gotcha Kev, and while I can see where you're coming from I don't think it hurts much to have a little joke the first day of the game. Really what we did was no different than the Darth Vader vote that was placed.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Look man, if I was a miller (and was told so), then I'd claim. That way, you don't waste a cop investigation and mislynch later in the game. Anyone that claimed miller after coming up guilty in an investigation, I'd lynch, as it would probably be a last-ditch effort by scum to get off the chopping block.

lolwhat? Um... getting the survivor to claim is good for town. It gives us a cleared non-mafia that we can rely on pre-mylo, and we can prevent him from joining with the mafia in mylo/lylo. (Assuming the mafia doesn't kill him before then to get rid of a trusted player.)

Vote: Swords for FAIL.

Um, like, why would the survivor claim? If i was a survivor, do you think i would claim? Of course not. Survivors are trying to survive, not claim so they can be lynched. You think town wouldn't hop on an indy survivor lynch? I would. But really, it is not likely for him to claim. I think you're just protecting your scumbuddy Scumshy.

And my point was, Millers usually aren't told that they are millers, and i never objected to them claiming. Miller should claim, but i didn't like the fact that Marshy seemed to be pushing for some people to claim.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

survivor should claim because hes just going to get bored anyway. wasnt suggesting that we lynch him but that a vig takes care of him

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Also, Nick, you answered a post that wasn't even directed at you, why are you did you answer the question to give marshy a way out?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

survivor should claim because hes just going to get bored anyway. wasnt suggesting that we lynch him but that a vig takes care of him

I don't think he should claim, but if he is dumb enough to do so, then he should have a vig take care of him.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

why would you not want that lame role to claim?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Oops, i meant i don't think he would claim, thank you for catching that marshy. xD

 

[KevinM]

Lets not bicker and argue about the semantics of the survivor that hasn't even claimed yet, why are you letting them run circles around it Marshy, you've introduced it, drop it there.

I don't see much purpose in you arguing with swords about a role that quite possibly might not even be in the game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Tom as a co-host would probably advice against using such a garbage role anyway.

Unvote Vote Crimson Scum

Nudging the newest player this early? Seriously?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Tom as a co-host

swhy i thought one was here. he sent me a setup the other day and it had a survivor in it. also the "no survivors" part of the rules is missing from op

claim you ****er. You're a ****piece indy and you know it.

lets leave it at that

unvote vote scumson king

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Alright, i'll back off of Marshy for now, i'm tempted to vote scumson king, but he's already at L-3. Going to give him a chance to explain himself before i vote him.

 

[Crimson King]

What do I need to explain? I coaxed meta-kirby out of his shell so he didn't fall into the same newbie cycle of getting bandwagoned, freaking the **** out, and then getting lynched.

 

[Nicholas1024]

What do I need to explain? I coaxed meta-kirby out of his shell so he didn't fall into the same newbie cycle of getting bandwagoned, freaking the **** out, and then getting lynched.

What? Your post basically said "You're new and inexperienced, so you're my first target for today's lynch." That's more to freak him out, not to prevent him from doing so! Besides, I defy you to point out some examples of such a cycle happening on SWF. In my (5 now, not counting the ones I'm in now) games here, I haven't seen such a thing happen yet.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Yup, definitely CK. unvote Vote: CK

 

[Steel]

"Dr. Evazan: He doesn't like you.
Luke: Sorry.
Dr. Evazan: I don't like you either. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems."


2nd Vote Count
Crimson King (6) - Ronike, Xiivi, Macman, Gheb_01, Marshy, SwordsRBroken
SwordsRBroken (1) - Nicholas1024
Marshy (1) - Mentosman8
Nicholas1024 (1) - Cacti

Not Voting: (6) - Crimson King, KevinM, Frozenflame751, Blue Yoshi, Scumfever, Meta-Kirby

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

 

[mentosman8]

Guys, while I can see where you're coming from it's barely been 2 days since the start of the game. Let's NOT quicklynch someone, K?(aka, if a quicklynch happens here, hi scum)

 

[KevinM]

Vote CK

L-1

 

[#HBC | Mac]

on that nix2100 status

 

[KevinM]

Yeah I kno rite

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Blue Yoshi: What are the cons of claiming Miller early?
Cacti: What are the pros of claiming miller early?
Ronike: Should we ask xiivi for flavor to go along with his claim?
Xonar: What merit if any do you see in how/why/when xiivi claimed?
Scumfever: Would you be more suspicious of Xiivi if he were to claim miller AFTER he got copped? Does his claim make you think he's more townie or scummy?
Meta-kirby: As a new player, would you claim early or later on if you were a miller?

unvote

CK, you realize what you did wrong and how it was scummy right?

 

[KevinM]

You realize those string of questions are kind of worthless right, you should at least order how you want them answered otherwise if Meta goes last he can just take from the others to form a basis of opinion.

I'm just letting you know so your question doesn't become busted.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hmmm you right.

You guys should answer those questions in this order:
Meta
Jungle
Xonar
then Cacti/Blue Yoshi

Ronike and CK can answer whenever they want. Sooner is better then later.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

What's the miller? Then I'll give my opinion. (sorry for the bad return-question).

 

[M.K]

Meta-kirby: As a new player, would you claim early or later on if you were a miller?

My interpretation of the Miller is that, if you claim early, you are immediately standing out, possibly putting a target on your back. However, if you claim too late, you could be accused of lying and just claiming/fake claiming to save yourself (whether or not you actually are or are not the Miller). I feel like the question you directed to Scumfever is the main negative factor if you decide to claim late. Either way has it's pros and cons. If I were the Miller, I would claim later on in the game, because immediate claims seem suspicious to me as a new player.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

miller is a town role that shows up as guilty/scum to cops/investigative roles

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Hmm... if the miller-claimer were a townie, the only advantage I could see where claiming miller would be a good idea is when there is alot of suspicion on you, and claiming will make the cop not need to check you (thus not wasting the use of the cop). Other than that, I see no advantage of claiming miller as town, as you create a huge target on your back, resulting in a possible lynch on yourself later.

If the miller-claimer were scum, then claiming miller early is a very risky move, as if you are suspected of being scum instead, you can be voted for easily. However, if people believe your claim, then you can easily breeze through the rest of the game (provided you don't make any dumb moves later on in the game). Claiming late... well, you'll probably be lynched.

In my opinion, claiming miller can be a high-risk high-reward move for scum, but suicide for a townie.

As everyone probably knows very well by now, I'm a newbie, so I may have this all wrong lol.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hmmm you right.

You guys should answer those questions in this order:
Meta
Jungle
Xonar
then Cacti/Blue Yoshi

Ronike and CK can answer whenever they want. Sooner is better then later.

 

[Ronike]

unvote ck

Chill out guys jeez...

At any rate ZOMGZORZ!!! DON'T YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH INFO YOU'FE GIFEN SCUM WIF DOZ QUESTIONZ MAN?!?!

uote: Macman

^Not a real vote

At any rate, hmmm... Unfortunately I can see quite a number of characters just from the star wars movies that may show up as miller, the number only growing when you include books. So I don't really see any reason why if Xiivi is lying he couldn't come up with a good fake character. So for now, I'd say no, not yet at anyrate.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Fair enough, but what do you have to offer? Being a new player means, you are far more likely to make a mistake

Perfect example of nudging a new player by undermining / dismissing his abilities as a player before you have even seen them.

what can you offer us to make yourself useful to the town's goal of surviving?

Good job rolefishing.

You aren't anywhere near being lynched yet, but I'd like to have people in the game who will work towards winning the game, not just looking for a fun experience. Cold, but true.

Of course you have figured him all out already, right? You know he'll make a mistake and that he'll be a hinderance for the town before you have seen anything from him? Sounds more like you're scaring the newbie here. Comfortable game for scum to play.

No sir, you have done a lot more than just "coaxing" him "out of his shell".

also the "no survivors" part of the rules is missing from op

Good catch. I didn't see that. Although I don't think we should read too much into that or pursue the point any further - if the survivor doesn't claim then it's his business.

@ Mentos

What's the problem with a quicklynch? A townie for a scumbag on D1 is a good deal in my book. Unless we have a seriously ******** town player who hammers somebody off 3 days into the game we have auto-scum on D1. Don't see the problem with that.

@ Mentos / Frozen

Any suspicions? Don't lurk most of D1 plz.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm not in this game lol, macman r smart

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hey you!

 

[mentosman8]

@ Mentos

What's the problem with a quicklynch? A townie for a scumbag on D1 is a good deal in my book. Unless we have a seriously ******** town player who hammers somebody off 3 days into the game we have auto-scum on D1. Don't see the problem with that.

Gheb, I agree, but the way people had been voting seemed to entirely disregard paying attention, and I wanted to make it clear that it was approaching lynch votes so that town wouldn't accidentally do it(which given my look at those votes, would not have surprised me), and scum couldn't use the "oh I just didn't realize he was that close" argument.

 

[KevinM]

How would town have ACCIDENTALLY hammered when I specifically mentioned my vote placed him at L-1.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

"oh I just didn't realize he was that close"

they get lynched/vigged

 

[Nicholas1024]

What's the problem with a quicklynch? A townie for a scumbag on D1 is a good deal in my book. Unless we have a seriously ******** town player who hammers somebody off 3 days into the game we have auto-scum on D1. Don't see the problem with that.

While I completely agree with this statement... it's contrary to what I've seen Gheb say in the past. Why the change, Gheb?