Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

[BarDulL]

For pressure?



What does this mean? And explain how it would benefit town.



I still don't see why you are pushing this angle. I'll elaborate in the next post.




But did you do more than PJB?

Ran, you see the trees, but miss the forest. Why would they need to pressure PJB if they already had him as Town?

It means he's anti-town and he will need to die on principle if he keeps it up.

I'm pushing this angle to show people that PJB still deserves pressure. If I don't push this angle, then PJB will simply be ignored again.

I'm pretty sure I did, yes. I literally don't remember anything PJB did on D1 except tell me that he might vote for me for postulating that claiming Gideon makes me a bit more Town, which in itself is a pretty dumb reason to vote for me if he was Town presumably looking for scum. It was also a bad post contextually because by that point we had already moved past that stage of the game.

 

[ranmaru]

(1)I initially didn't want to have to pressure PJB because I felt he was a non-issue and that we had bigger fish to fry, namely KevinM and Kary. When PJB decided not to cooperate and be stubborn, I threw my vote on him because it was the Town thing to do. (2)PJB was being a distraction for Town and I (3)wasn't going to get my way early on with Kary as a result, (4)so I decided that I'd be productive and get a stronger read on PJB. Then Zen and Kantrip drop pressure off PJB for no good reason and turn to Kary. WTF? I had no real qualms with going back to Kary, but felt that Zen and Kantrip exhibited poor leadership during that instance and (5)felt that they weren't going to be helpful in finding scum, especially when they were willing to drop pressure when PJB exhibited traits that he does as scum as well.

1. You say that you didn't want to pressure PJB, then you wouldn't have. If he was a non-issue to you, why not just call for vig?
2. If he was a distraction to town, why not just repress the distraction? Rather, butt in and remind him to stop being a distraction. Not 'vote him for pressure'.
3. Why not exactly, post quotes please.
4. Here's my concern. You say you did this to get a stronger read on PJB, but how does telling pjb to post a reads list so you can plow kary/kev give you a stronger read on him?
5. If you felt they were wrong, why not talk about the slots you disagree with? I mean, isn't killing one of Kantrip/Zen a bit too drastic, just for 'not being able to find scum', when you can at least try talking first?

 

[ranmaru]

If Nabe isn't the role I think he is, then he will probably need to be vigg'd at some point in the game.

Ok. But regardless of role, what do you think of his play? I'll not get into why you think he is this particular role, but if he weren't, why would you want him vigged instead of lynched?

 

[BarDulL]

1. You say that you didn't want to pressure PJB, then you wouldn't have. If he was a non-issue to you, why not just call for vig?
2. If he was a distraction to town, why not just repress the distraction? Rather, butt in and remind him to stop being a distraction. Not 'vote him for pressure'.
3. Why not exactly, post quotes please.
4. Here's my concern. You say you did this to get a stronger read on PJB, but how does telling pjb to post a reads list so you can plow kary/kev give you a stronger read on him?
5. If you felt they were wrong, why not talk about the slots you disagree with? I mean, isn't killing one of Kantrip/Zen a bit too drastic, just for 'not being able to find scum', when you can at least try talking first?

Ran, please don't try to dissect my post sentence by sentence, rather look at it as a whole so you can get the whole picture before jumping to conclusions.

I didn't call vig because it wasn't necessary yet, and I feel that getting a read on PJB isn't actually as difficult as people make it out to be. At the time, I felt Vig shot could be better used elsewhere because PJB isn't a real threat. He can't lead Town at all, he just sits in his shell like a turtle and plays defensively.

Ran, I'm going to stop you for a second and tell you that I'm not interested in playing 20 questions with you. Please stick to important questions that are for sure conducive to finding scum.

Look at the thread, Ran. I vote Kary, Zen votes PJB, Kantrip votes PJB, PJB refuses to cooperate, my vote isn't being put to good use because PJB will inevitably become a distraction.

Ran, this question has already been answered if you read the thread. I did it because hearing PJB's reads with details would yield some credibility for his name. It would also show that he was being cooperative and no threat to Town.

I have talked to Zen. I know how Zen works as a character. I am fully aware of how he functions.

 

[BarDulL]

Ok. But regardless of role, what do you think of his play? I'll not get into why you think he is this particular role, but if he weren't, why would you want him vigged instead of lynched?

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Ran, you've been asking a lot of questions, so I'm going to ask you one. You've been curious about why me asking PJB for a read list is conducive to determining his alignment, but here you're asking me what my read on Nabe is. Do you see a bit of hypocrisy here?

 

[Xivii]

Ran please join me yo. I joined you on fml please return the favah. Not sure why bardull keeps talking about thread power lol it's not a ryker swiss game. I'm no leader, I'm just a man with a vote. Bardull there's plenty of reasons that another abduction didn't occur. One being because Scott and Ramona only need to find each other. There's also this role called mentor that recruits one player to his side. Those are just some possibilities but to fully speculate other than just for fun is silly. All that matters is that you're scum. You're trying to paint it as some thread power thing but you never even were really a factor no offense >.>

 

[BarDulL]

Can you just replace out already?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Lol, Bard keeps calling me a distractions, yet he's manged to make almost half of the game about himself. Talk about distracting.

Your whole argument for wanting to push me is bad, and you should feel bad.

Why are Kary and Kev good directions for today, Bard? You say you want to lead the town, but you can't even answer this simple question. All you wanna do is make threats, and try to take thread control.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Vote: Bardull

 

[BarDulL]

I'm only a distraction because people don't want me to be in a position of power or they fear my slot for baseless reasons, but it's a necessary growing pain for Town to get over. My pushing of your slot wasn't bad. You're null. You need to be pressured. As long as you're persistently bad, you will always be lynch fodder.

 

[BarDulL]

I think it's hilarious that you're asking for my reads on Kary and KevinM when you've tried calling me out on asking you for a read list. Go screw yourself, PJB.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I just didn't feel like giving a list of the entire playlist. You, on the other hand, are telling us that you want to hardbody people without explaining why. There's a big difference.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So Bardull I really think you need to explain your scumreads

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Bardull

Shoot PJB.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ran please join me yo. I joined you on fml please return the favah. Not sure why bardull keeps talking about thread power lol it's not a ryker swiss game. I'm no leader, I'm just a man with a vote. Bardull there's plenty of reasons that another abduction didn't occur. One being because Scott and Ramona only need to find each other. There's also this role called mentor that recruits one player to his side. Those are just some possibilities but to fully speculate other than just for fun is silly. All that matters is that you're scum. You're trying to paint it as some thread power thing but you never even were really a factor no offense >.>

There was no abduction. Come on, you're not this dense.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Shoot PJB.

That is a terrible idea

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Please shoot PJB.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Politeness does not make it any smarter.

 

[BarDulL]

Nabe, if you believe in my shot, then you have no reason to put me at L-1.

I just didn't feel like giving a list of the entire playlist. You, on the other hand, are telling us that you want to hardbody people without explaining why. There's a big difference.

marshy does this, and yet you never put up a fuss. The reality of the situation is that you're afraid that I'll get into a power position on a rather baseless premise. No, it's merely self-preservation, nothing more, nothing less, it's not baseless, it's just primal.

In fact, I'm honestly done with this game. If Town is this ridiculous, it deserves to lose. I will shoot PJB because he's god awful and impossible to read. I'm pretty sure I'm at L-1 as a result of being hated, not L-2. I don't care who hammers at this point.

 

[BarDulL]

Actually, **** that, I'll shoot Kary. Someone vig PJB. Go for Kevmo toMorrow, that's all I can say.

 

[BarDulL]

Don't let Nabe out of your sights. Nabe has no reason to believe in my shot if he's Town. Zen is probably just being dumb. Kantrip is ok but don't give him a free pass. Vinyl is silly and probably Town.

 

[BarDulL]

Ran is Town.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Actually, I would put up a fuss if marshy did that. I've never played in a game with marshy, this game is the first time. Soup had the reigns most of the time, and he substantiated everything.

I'm afraid of you having a position of power for my own self preservation, I don't want you to have thread power because I don't know what you're going to do with it. You are refusing to explain your scumreads. That's a problem, for me. Ask Badwolf, I do this to him like, every game. You can't just tell you that you read people as scum, and not tell me why.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait are we lynching Bardull?

Please no.

Nabe is so scummy for suggesting he shoot PJB.

Gahhh you guysssss

 

[ranmaru]

I initially didn't want to have to pressure PJB because I felt he was a non-issue and that we had bigger fish to fry, namely KevinM and Kary. When PJB decided not to cooperate and be stubborn, I threw my vote on him because it was the Town thing to do. PJB was being a distraction for Town and I wasn't going to get my way early on with Kary as a result, so I decided that I'd be productive and get a stronger read on PJB. Then Zen and Kantrip drop pressure off PJB for no good reason and turn to Kary. WTF? I had no real qualms with going back to Kary, but felt that Zen and Kantrip exhibited poor leadership during that instance and felt that they weren't going to be helpful in finding scum, especially when they were willing to drop pressure when PJB exhibited traits that he does as scum as well.

Ok, I'll try it a different way for you.

Underlined, you state you didn't really want to pressure PJB, but you did anyways. This shows you are trying to make up excuses for why you jumped on the PJB wagon. Instead of voting PJB, you could have told him to stop being dumb so others wouldn't find a way to get on PJB. You also state that you weren't going to get your way with Kary, yet Zen had echoed agreement to Kary, and I have also supported that as well. You also state that you would take one of Zen/Kantrip down because they wouldn't find scum, but you 'give up' too easily with talking it out, and instead would rather go for the more drastic option of killing them. (Which is really anti-town) Finally, you say that you asked PJB for a reads list, and if he gives one that he won't be lynched. That in any way, does not help you get a read on him because he's either (A) Going to refuse or (B) going to accept. B gives him an easy option to get you to relieve the pressure, and could do so as either alignment, which is null. Him refusing could get some to think he's scum, which wouldn't really be a good way of finding out what he wants to do as either alignment. I don't see why exactly you would tell him that, but it shows you don't really have a problem with him, and would be satisfied with a simple reads list and would go on the next person on the list.

 

[ranmaru]

Wait are we lynching Bardull?

Please no.

Nabe is so scummy for suggesting he shoot PJB.

Gahhh you guysssss

Then why are you voting him?

 

[ranmaru]

Vote: Bardull

Shoot PJB.

Hey Nabe. What happened to your Zen push? And why do you want PJB shot? Answer this damn it.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran please join me yo. I joined you on fml please return the favah. Not sure why bardull keeps talking about thread power lol it's not a ryker swiss game. I'm no leader, I'm just a man with a vote. Bardull there's plenty of reasons that another abduction didn't occur. One being because Scott and Ramona only need to find each other. There's also this role called mentor that recruits one player to his side. Those are just some possibilities but to fully speculate other than just for fun is silly. All that matters is that you're scum. You're trying to paint it as some thread power thing but you never even were really a factor no offense >.>

I got you baby. I have a few things to look into, and I'm as good as there.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Actually, **** that, I'll shoot Kary. Someone vig PJB. Go for Kevmo toMorrow, that's all I can say.

- If you're not going to shoot PJB, make it Zen
- There is no vig

 

[Circus]

“Stand still is all I did. Love like ours is never fixed.”

Vote Count
BarDulL [4]: Zen, Potassium, PrivateJoker-Brown, Nabe
Kary [1]: BarDulL
Zen [0]:
PrivateJoker-Brown [0]:
Raziek [0]:
Vinyl. [0]:
KevinM [0]:
Potassium [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Nabe [0]:

Not Voting: Raziek, Vinyl., Kary, KevinM, Ranmaru

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for lynch.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Don't let Nabe out of your sights. Nabe has no reason to believe in my shot if he's Town. Zen is probably just being dumb. Kantrip is ok but don't give him a free pass. Vinyl is silly and probably Town.

I want very, very hard for you to be able to eliminate one of the variables. I'm counting on Circus being a fan of Ronike.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Kary, if you hammer I promise I'll convince Bard not to shoot you~

 

[ranmaru]

Hey Kary I see you viewing. What's your take on Bardull, and Nabe?

 

[ranmaru]

Kary, if you hammer I promise I'll convince Bard not to shoot you~

Nabe answer my question.

Hey Nabe. What happened to your Zen push? And why do you want PJB shot? Answer this damn it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe answer my question.

- This is obvious, see my second choice for shot, and if you want more, wait until toMorrow
- PJB is a scummy pile of player and I don't want to spare another thought on him

 

[BarDulL]

Ok, I'll try it a different way for you.

Underlined, you state you didn't really want to pressure PJB, but you did anyways. This shows you are trying to make up excuses for why you jumped on the PJB wagon. Instead of voting PJB, you could have told him to stop being dumb so others wouldn't find a way to get on PJB. You also state that you weren't going to get your way with Kary, yet Zen had echoed agreement to Kary, and I have also supported that as well. You also state that you would take one of Zen/Kantrip down because they wouldn't find scum, but you 'give up' too easily with talking it out, and instead would rather go for the more drastic option of killing them. (Which is really anti-town) Finally, you say that you asked PJB for a reads list, and if he gives one that he won't be lynched. That in any way, does not help you get a read on him because he's either (A) Going to refuse or (B) going to accept. B gives him an easy option to get you to relieve the pressure, and could do so as either alignment, which is null. Him refusing could get some to think he's scum, which wouldn't really be a good way of finding out what he wants to do as either alignment. I don't see why exactly you would tell him that, but it shows you don't really have a problem with him, and would be satisfied with a simple reads list and would go on the next person on the list.

Ran. This is the last time I'm going to respond to you, because whenever I answer your questions, it leads to nothing. Here we go:

You're right. I had no intentions of pushing PJB earlier in the phase because I felt Kary and KevinM were of more prevalent interest. However, as a few people began piling on PJB, and he became stubborn as ****, I realized I had to throw my vote down to apply pressure on him. My vote was doing NO GOOD sitting on Kary at that point. NONE. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR SKULL RANMARU. FFS. I mean no offense, but it boggles my mind that you're incorrectly reading me as scum and tunneling my slot with a plethora of questions like you usually do as Town as a result. I'm not copping out and throwing out the god damn towel yet with you because I don't want to walk out of this game feeling like I copped out like a little *****. But this incessant point your driving about my play is just ridiculous. I don't even get how your line of questioning and assertions are conducive to finding scum in my slot outside of suggesting that I'm fake, but the reality of the situation is that you would have done the exact same damn thing in my shoes as Town. You would have tried to push Town in Kary's direction and subsequently move them away from PJB's in countless ways, one of which being asking PJB to cooperate with Town and for him to give us reads and things of that nature so that we can swiftly move on. He had no god damn reason to shake his head and be stubborn outside of wanting to avoid being lower on the totem pole. It was entirely self preservative and god awful play that wasn't telling of alignment. What did it achieve? Nothing.

I'm sorry guys, I'm dealing with serious family drama and I can't be bothered to write more. I'm tired and need to rest. I also haven't eaten all day today, and my blood sugar is low. I will watch the thread. I'm also just plain tired of Town this game. If I'm lynched, I will shoot Kary. That's all I have to say. If I'm not lynched, I will push in Kary's direction. You guys need to make a decision right now as to whether or not I'm Town or Scum, and whether or not I'm pushing Town in the right direction or the wrong one.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

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Time for player responses~

 

[ranmaru]

- This is obvious, see my second choice for shot, and if you want more, wait until toMorrow
- PJB is a scummy pile of player and I don't want to spare another thought on him

Why are you voting Bardull, or rather, were? What's your exact read on him?
I also don't see how you are still on Zen after my response. I thought it refuted your case. Hmmmz.
I don't see what you mean with PJB. Please elaborate for this slow fellow. ;-; Even just a little.

 

[ranmaru]

Kary, you lurkin'? Or you waiting for something?

 

[Kantrip]

Then why are you voting him?

I was annoyed with him and wanted to help add to Zen's pressure to hopefully get him to stop. Not ready to lynch him right now. Reading

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