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Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

#HBC | Kary

#HBC | Kary

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it's one part trying to gauge bardull's opinion (still not 100% on why he's scumreading me or kev)

and one part I would rather take a whole bunch of people to endgame over you.

*shrug*
 
Xivii

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Out of every game, what do you think bardull does when in game with him and others? Does it lead to a successful lynch or miss most of the time? Am I stupid for saying this? Just saying, because I need to know more from him so I can clarify.
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Well let me just go into this. One tell that is universal in scum hunting is a break in logic/pushing misconceptions. There are often times when a player may just get lost logically, but if they continue to ignore the points against said false hoods then it is a good chance they are scum. Bardull is an incredible example of this. There are three types of scum players: lurkers, scumers, and towners. Lurkers obviously do nothing. Scumers actively push town in the wrong direction, manipulate, and provide misconceptions. Towners just blend in and act as they would as town, go with the flow, and hope that in the end they wont get lynched because of their towniness. Bardull's scum style is that of a scummer where as say Kary's is that of a towner. Towners are harder to pin point, but if you push enough, they will eventually have to work for push their agenda in some way (usually near the end game). That's why Kary is so difficult to make a case on early. Bardull however started trying to provide falsehoods right in the early phase of Day 1. Town Bardull is easy to lynch, yes, but that has nothing to do with here. Town Bardull & town in general always has a logical and open minded way of going about the game. Scum Bardull cares not about logic of reasoning. His agenda is solely to manipulate town. I'll list out the three falsehoods that Bardull has been continuously pressing:

1. His claim confirms him as town.
Vinyl you asked if Bardull claimed. The answer is yes. He claimed D1 as Gideon hated vengeful townie (meaning he can shoot someone after he is lynched). Bardull has tried to insist that his flavor claim as Gideon confirms him as town because scum would never claim the main bad guy of scott pilgrim. This is obviously false however because some of the bad guys in the scott pilgrim world are TOWN in the game. So the mod would have obviously provided scum with safe claims that would correlate to actual town members.

2. PJB
Bardull continues to insist that PJB hadn't done anything all game despite me showing him with quotes and links that it wasn't true. He was trying to make the whole situation as if we all were just trying to get a read on him and gave up. Even though Kantrip and I have both stated town reads on him (PJB). Bardull also insists that he has been here doing things in the game even though he was V/LA until today.

3. My read on him is some sort of thread power thing.
This is just lulzy and has nothing to do with anything. He wont accept my read as legit at all and is trying to paint it as something that makes no sense at all.

The last thing is Bardull's jump onto PJB was nothing but opportunistic. He supposedly had a strong mafia read on Kary and Kevin but jumped on once he saw the wagon could possibly result in a quick lynch. Once Kantrip and I got off he was panicked and didn't know how to move back onto his supposed Kary and Kevin push which he hasn't even given any reasonin for.
 
BarDulL

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1. Hammering myself is counter-intuitive because it provides less information for the Town. It's always anti-town to self hammer.

2. I'm tired of this Town because they can't hear the voice of reason. Considering my play thus far, me being scum with Ruy/marshy's slot is impossible, yet people still think I'm some kind of weird scum that claims Vengeful on D1 (and Zen thinks I'm paired with Nabe, which is really improbable at this point). I don't really think that's the case though, I just think people are worried or afraid to allow me to be anywhere near the top of the hierarchy for silly reasons and would rather do away with my slot now than later. I'm also heavily invested in family drama outside of the game, but I won't allow another player to replace into my shoes because it's a harsh position to be in unless they play the vengeful role right.

3. Vinyl is a Town lean. Your slot and Kev's aren't town telling FMPOV. I see more scum intent than Town intent. Having Town choose between yourself and Kevin upon my lynch will be beneficial to Town because this is information they can look back on and analyze with respect two slots that I feel are in dire need of attention. Town has no reason not to do this and participate, especially if my Vengeful is real. Even if it wasn't real, more information is always helpful.

4. Kary, why shouldn't I shoot you? You've given me no reason to believe that you're Town throughout this entire game.
 
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How is Kevin town?

Why would you want me to shoot Nabe if I flipped Town? Doesn't that change your presumed read on him?

Why do you want me to shoot Kary?
 
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Would prefer you to shoot Kary. Wouldn't mind Nabe. And yes it would change my association of you two of course. I think Nabe voting me and his flip flop ness that he has been doing though is scum dung. Kev is town because of the interaction between Ruy and soupmarsh.
 
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Kary scum because he has shown no drive to catch scum. He has no sense of ignorance at all. It's like he's just waiting things out. Oh yeah and his fluttering when he voted you D1 and I called him out on it.
 
BarDulL

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Zεη said:
Would prefer you to shoot Kary. Wouldn't mind Nabe. And yes it would change my association of you two of course. I think Nabe voting me and his flip flop ness that he has been doing though is scum dung. Kev is town because of the interaction between Ruy and soupmarsh.
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I asked why you wanted me to shoot them, not for you to reiterate who you want me to shoot.

You're basically trying to set up Nabe's lynch after mine, but your initial premise was that you felt we were linked as scum mates. Why not just lynch Nabe to figure this all out as opposed to lynching me?

How is Kev town based on his interaction with Ruy and soupmarsh when you've said the same exact thing with my interaction with those two slots? Why can't KevinM be indyscum?
 
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BarDulL said:
I asked why you wanted me to shoot them, not for you to reiterate who you want me to shoot.

You're basically trying to set up Nabe's lynch after mine, but your initial premise was that you felt we were linked as scum mates. Why not just lynch Nabe to figure this all out as opposed to lynching me?

How is Kev town based on his interaction with Ruy and soupmarsh when you've said the same exact thing with my interaction with those two slots? Why can't KevinM be indyscum?
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Shoot me for it. Hammer yourself.
 
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Zen, you realize that in the hypothetical scenario that I actually am Vengeful Townie (I am), you refusing to answer these basic questions will force me to shoot you because I feel that you trying to dodge these questions and get away with my lynch is scummy, right?
 
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@Town - Vote on who you feel I should shoot. I will resign to my lynch if I have to, but don't be silly and choose not to utilize this situation effectively.
 
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Vote Count
BarDulL [4]: Zen, PrivateJoker-Brown, Ranmaru, KevinM
Potassium [1]: Kary
Zen [1]: BarDulL
Kary [0]:
PrivateJoker-Brown [0]:
Raziek [0]:
Vinyl. [0]:
KevinM [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Nabe [0]:

Not Voting: Raziek, Vinyl., Nabe, Potassium

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for lynch.
 
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Sorry bar, but it must be done. :/

Vote: Bardull

Give out any last things you have to say so I can note for later. I'll decide to ignore it or not after the flip.
Shoot anyone at your own discretion from your thoughts, and if you really claim to be who you are, I hope you make the right call, man.
 
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Actually **** that, I need to give this game proper attention. It's not fair to just let this happen like it is.

  1. Potassium - Not aligned with Ruy/soupamarsh
  2. BarDulL
  3. Ranmaru
  4. Kary
  5. frozenflame751 Raziek - Not aligned with Ruy/soupamarsh
  6. KevinM - Not aligned with Ruy/soupamarsh
  7. Zen
  8. Vinyl.
  9. Nabe - Not aligned with Ruy/soupamarsh
  10. PrivateJoker-Brown - Town read
So I've got a pool of 5 to reread and look at. When's deadline?
 
#HBC | Kary

#HBC | Kary

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BarDulL said:
4. Kary, why shouldn't I shoot you? You've given me no reason to believe that you're Town throughout this entire game.
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I've given you no reason to believe that I'm scum.

And shooting a townie is a dumb idea.



how about I cut you a deal. You explain your scumread on me. I will save you from being lynched. ?
 
Kantrip

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He claimed hated right? That should be lynch if he was telling the truth?

If he was lying he's scum so yeah w/e

Vote Badull
 
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Vote Count
BarDulL [5]: Zen, PrivateJoker-Brown, Ranmaru, KevinM, Vinyl.
Potassium [1]: Kary
Zen [1]: BarDulL
Kary [0]:
PrivateJoker-Brown [0]:
Raziek [0]:
Vinyl. [0]:
KevinM [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Nabe [0]:

Not Voting: Raziek, Nabe, Potassium

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for lynch.

W-what's this? A lynch has been reached! But how...?

Day ending flavor coming in the near future. Due to the nature of this particular lynch, I'm going to ask that people cease posting.
 
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