Scott Pilgrim vs. The Mafia | GAME OVER: Infinite Sadness/Finest Hour

[Xivii]

Nabe and Kary don't you both have scum reads on Bardull? What's the hold up yo.

 

[BarDulL]

Epic ninja. Nabe might be Town because Nabe alleviated pressure from my slot on D1 when everyone was being silly and about to blow their loads all over the sexy blue haired Vahn. His read was strikingly accurate and helpful in showing people that I wasn't a play. However, I've only said that he's probably Town, not that he's cleared. Nabe NEVER substantiates himself though so it's always easy to be caught off guard by his intent.

 

[BarDulL]

Serious question Nabe: does my play look like my play in Golden Sun?

 

[Xivii]

you can't use self-meta as a defense as you're completely aware of that meta and so can change how you play.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Honestly, wouldn't mind having Bard out and not having to read him.
As long as he shoots Zen on a town flip.

 

[Xivii]

Go for it man.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Zen

 

[Xivii]

Must you always be the appendix of the town body?

Why would scum push someone who will shoot him, Nabe? Use your noggin.

 

[Xivii]

Actually I'm pretty done with this game seeing as J, soup, and marshy are no longer in it.


Do what ya want. Other than prod dodges this will be my last post.

 

[Raziek]

I'm not down with a Bardull bunrush off the top of my head. Unfortunately have to work tomorrow, Smash monthly after, so I won't be able to do any real substantial posting until tomorrow night late or more likely Subday evening.

Slow the roll a bit, gents.

 

[Circus]

"I always thought it was sad—the way we act like strangers. After all that we had, we act like we have never met.”

Vote Count
BarDulL [2]: Zen, Potassium
Kary [1]: BarDulL
Zen [1]: Nabe
PrivateJoker-Brown [0]:
Raziek [0]:
Vinyl. [0]:
KevinM [0]:
Potassium [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Nabe [0]:

Not Voting: Raziek, Vinyl., Kary, KevinM, Ranmaru, PirvateJoker-Brown

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for lynch.

 

[Xivii]

Nabe every single game that we play you go after me for no reason, whether you're scum or town. It's been that way ever since Fire Emblem mafia. Every single game we've been in together since then. I'm not trying to be mean or anything here, but your play style is just really frustrating to play with. You don't participate in discussion ever. You just vote and no one cares to get on you about it no matter how illogical it is. I don't remember the last time I've seen you post more than two lines. Hell you may have been joking with that zen vote just because I have been pressuring you to vote, but it's more likely that you're just doing your natural Zen hate thing which I just don't get especially since I've been playing as brownie as possible this game. I just can't deal with irrationality man. It genuinely puts me in disarray. Why play a game with someone whose choices are completely random?

Request Replacement

Lynch:
Bardull
Kary
Vinyl
Joker

Indy
Mafia
Town

Lynch in the exact order from top to bottom and the game will be won. Kantrip you should get Ran to get into the game. If you figure him to be town, then you guys can wrap this up solid.

(Circus in the event that my slot cannot be replaced, I will of course maintain the slot over a mod kill. Just get someone to hit me up on facebook or something).

 

[Xivii]

Oh ****

I just realized that Bardull could have some type of cult recruitment thing and recruited Nabe

That makes a lot more sense.

 

[Xivii]

Cancel Replacement

Sorry I shouldn't have reacted that way even though playing with Nabe is still like playing Chess with someone who completely randomizes how each piece can move.

 

[Xivii]

OK ignore my previous lynch thing.

Town
Potassium, Zen, Ran, Joker, Raz
Vinyl, Kevin

Scum
Bardull, Nabe, Kary

We can do this. Joker get off my ass I don't get what you're doing at all. We need to be united if we want to win this.

 

[Xivii]

Man I wonder if Bardull is Scott hah.

 

[BarDulL]

For some reason, I was wondering as well why Nabe returned unscathed. Was certainly a curious thing to be sure.

Zen, your read on me is wrong. Also, take a break from trying to lead and let the thread breathe a little; there's still people who haven't given their 2 cents yet.

 

[Xivii]

Just for funzies I'm thinking Bardull is Scott and Nabe is probably Ramona. Bardull had to find Nabe and probably got it from all Nabe's crumbing D1. Bardull wasn't able to kill until he found Ramona which is why there wasn't a kill N1 but there was N2. I'm guessing Kary is Envy Adams which is Scott's last Ex. Also possible for Julie Adams to be a fourth mafia, but I'd say 5 scum is enough. Man this is cool.

 

[Xivii]

Julie Powers*

 

[Xivii]

For some reason

Heheh. This is a classic tell of deceit. Something human lie detectors use in real life. It's a natural, unconscious way of trying to distance yourself from the situation. For some reason? What do you mean for some reason? Isn't the reason obvious (that it was strange and therefore you wondered)? By the way I never mentioned anything about Nabe's disappearance in my posts above, you filled that in yourself .

I did consider the possibility of your role being town, but there's no reason you would have a safe claim if that were the case. Not to mention all the scum tells I layed out before.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh ****

I just realized that Bardull could have some type of cult recruitment thing and recruited Nabe

That makes a lot more sense.

Than what?

Nabe every single game that we play you go after me for no reason, whether you're scum or town. It's been that way ever since Fire Emblem mafia. Every single game we've been in together since then. I'm not trying to be mean or anything here, but your play style is just really frustrating to play with. You don't participate in discussion ever. You just vote and no one cares to get on you about it no matter how illogical it is. I don't remember the last time I've seen you post more than two lines. Hell you may have been joking with that zen vote just because I have been pressuring you to vote, but it's more likely that you're just doing your natural Zen hate thing which I just don't get especially since I've been playing as brownie as possible this game. I just can't deal with irrationality man. It genuinely puts me in disarray. Why play a game with someone whose choices are completely random?

In FE, I traded walls with you, because I thought your points were wrong. You're right, you do rub me the wrong way, and it's because your play is unnervingly similar to my play. You've always been unpredictable to me, and that bothers me because predicting people is the whole game to me, as it seems to be in part to you. I can't read you. I do often resort to handling you by vote misdirection, because it's the only tool I have in mind that causes any reaction from you that I can grasp. The difference between us, I'd say, is that I play the entire game close to my chest. I never put a single post out without a really good reason, because I like to tightly control thread image. If the thought of that is disparate to your view of my play, ask me about my web in postgame, or ask me individual questions now; don't quit over a vote.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Nabe and Kary don't you both have scum reads on Bardull? What's the hold up yo.

I find Bardull scummy. I'm not confident in him being scum just yet.

There's a lot of his play that doesn't make sense to me. Like this:

I don't normally like quick lynching, but I might not be against doing it for lulz since I'm not nearly as invested in this game as I could be.

Zen, if I die, you die with me. I'm taking control of this thread or bringing Town to the grave with me. You might not like it, but that's just how it's going to be. Until you explain why you're dropping PJB off based on stubbornness (and Kantrip for that matter), I see no reason to halt pressure towards PJB.

One minute he says he's not very invested in the game. The next minute he says he's going to take control of the thread if it's the last thing he does. What?

The other thing is, he wants me and Kev dead, but seems really reluctant to explain those reads. But he's fine with Vinyl, and Nabe.

I kinda struggle to take him seriously. His whole play seems kinda on edge for reasons I don't understand- and I would like to say it's because he's indy, or whatever. But i don't know yet.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Might give me a bit of thread control to get smart lynch choices out there

Yo Kanty.

If you think you have some smart lynch choices, no-one's stopping you from talking.

You never did deliver on that catchup I wanted, so I'd be interested to know what you think.

 

[Vinylic.]

How long was kevin out? I wanna see him say something, especially raz.

inb4youshouldsaysomethingtoovinyl, because I already did. Love to screw around, but I can't seem to nitpick people as much as before. So, there's an excuse.
I might go for nabe later, and I also have some doubts on actually going for bardull at first, so I can at least agree with kary on this one. Speaking of kary, I'm gonna read back a little more. What was the reason why he's scum again? Hm.

I've seen red ryu lurking around here, I'm gonna make something up:
He went to check on whichever remaining partner's doing in-game.
Or he just went to check.

Dumb stuff, but it can sometimes work. Sometimes.

 

[Xivii]

I want to see kantrip's face.



Please, tell me, kanty. Tell me how close you were to making a mistake if you were to have me lynched.

Vinyl what did you mean by this?

 

[Xivii]

Than what?

The irrationality of town-nabe voting me. Even if town-Nabe disagreed with my views it wouldn't make sense to vote me for pushing Bardull because as scum I would be pushing someone that would be taking me out upon his town flip. I realize now that it's just scum-nabe chainsaw voting me as you need Bardull to survive.

Like I said, blatant irrationality like that really irks me. For an analogy say you're a detective irl working on the case of a serial killer. One day one of the killer's victim's brother comes to you with evidence on a suspect. Then you decide to arrest the brother rather than the suspect.

 

[Vinylic.]

Oh nah, he was just voting me last day as ryu was joining in too.



This is as far as I can go for now. V/LA for Tournament.

 

[Xivii]

Vinyl.
1. Could Ryu not have been bussing you?
2. Why do you think we should go for Nabe first? Bardull has actually done scummy things where as Nabe is circumstantial (on Bardull being scum). Although it is possible that I have their roles switched (Nabe being recruiter) I think it's more likely that Bardull has the priority role here. I think they will both likely die upon Bardull being lynched. Though it could be possible that both will die regardless. Still Bardull is the way to go.

Kary what is it that has you reserved on Bardull? You have the fingerprints and the murder weapon, but you still hesitate?

Kantrip & RAN (need to get in here man) would really like your input. Kevin too.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The irrationality of town-nabe voting me. Even if town-Nabe disagreed with my views it wouldn't make sense to vote me for pushing Bardull because as scum I would be pushing someone that would be taking me out upon his town flip. I realize now that it's just scum-nabe chainsaw voting me as you need Bardull to survive.

I don't think that P962 constitutes any sort of promise of Bard shooting you on his flip. In P770 and again in P892, Bard calls you Probably Town. The indication to me is that P962 and the similar posts that followed constitute an empty threat to get you to answer a simple question about your PJB pressure from the start of the Day. Bard bristles when he catches a whiff of anyone disagreeing with him, and you're a person prone to fighting back against what I assume you deem to be inconsequential. But I think a town Bard would rethink that threat, given a chance to shoot a player he's actually expressed he thinks is scum.

There have been a lot of good points against Bard toDay, some of them demonstrated by you, all of which I've agreed with on general principle, because Bard's posts have deteriorated over the course of the Day. Kantrip's vote came after Bard again resorted to his "I can't be scum" arguments from D1, and IMO was justified as a result.

But you haven't been putting logical arguments forward except by addressing them to Bard directly, and meanwhile on the side you've been namedropping to get votes. And when I gave you a chance to appeal to me specifically, rather than using those arguments, you flatly agreed with my saying you should be shot. This suggests to me that your Bard reasoning is created on-the-fly and doesn't mean anything to you, other than it being the public face of a wagon.

If you don't believe in your wagon, it follows that you're scum. That's why I've voted for you. It's possible that you're town running on gut to get a lynch despite your apathy for the details, but I think that if that were the case, you would just be sticking to your replacement instead of pushing on a fresh basis of cult conspiracy.

 

[Xivii]

But you haven't been putting logical arguments forward except by addressing them to Bard directly, and meanwhile on the side you've been namedropping to get votes. And when I gave you a chance to appeal to me specifically, rather than using those arguments, you flatly agreed with my saying you should be shot. This suggests to me that your Bard reasoning is created on-the-fly and doesn't mean anything to you, other than it being the public face of a wagon.

If you don't believe in your wagon, it follows that you're scum. That's why I've voted for you. It's possible that you're town running on gut to get a lynch despite your apathy for the details, but I think that if that were the case, you would just be sticking to your replacement instead of pushing on a fresh basis of cult conspiracy.

Why would it matter who I quoted when giving me reasoning heh heh. It doesn't matter who I addressed them to, that doesn't make them any less logical xD. You yourself are saying that my arguments are logical and that the only reason why you shouldn't get on is because I didn't specifically say "Nabe here are the reasons why Bardull is scum". Are you not capable of reading a post that does not have your name in it? I wouldn't think so.

You're right that I don't think Bardull has the ability to shoot anyone as I think he is scum. But if I were scum (likely the ONLY mafia left) why would I take the risk of pushing Bardull at all! As mafia I could easily have just quick lynched Joker or try and push someone like Vinyl or just have joined Bardull on Kary. There is no logical reason for scum to push Bardull knowing they have the possibility of being shot! Yes I do think it IS possible for Bardull's claim to be legitimate and I do believe he would shoot a town read out of spite so that people would take him seriously in the future. As town I am willing to take that risk because I really do think he is scum. To antagonize a possible town-Bardull as mafia doesn't make any sense at all. You're even saying that you have a scum read on Bardull, and that you would be glad for him to shoot me if he flipped town! Why not hit two birds with one stone then aye? It's because you can't. You need Bardull to live because you guys are indy lover thingies.

 

[BarDulL]

You're wrong, Nabe. I'm not against blowing Zen up if it's for the good of Town, because he's grasping too hard at a read that just isn't there and attempting to mislead everyone when we all know he's not capable of being a stable and reliable leader. I literally have no qualms doing it and won't have any regrets should it come to that.

Zen's attempt at starting an Indy scare to try to further undermine my positioning is actually pretty amusing since he's either scared out of his mind of my slot, or he's literally just being this dumb, or he's scum.

I mean, even if there was an Indy, shouldn't we be aiming for the mafia team? Also, there's one hole in his theory: Nabe was the only player to be abducted thus far, so why haven't other players been "abducted and converted" if we're dealing with a cult?

 

[ranmaru]

Ya know what? I don't feel like making a list. The people I most want to look at toDay are Zen, Kary, and Vinyl, in that order.

Can you go into why?

Vote: PJB

Why exactly did you vote PJB here?

Vote: PJB

Why did you vote PJB?

I'm completely fine with Kary as well, but PJB being stubborn by no means equates to him being Town. I literally do not get why anyone is drawing these conclusions. It's like when KevinM put sup a facade of confidence; just because he is attempting to exhibit confidence does not make him Town. Where's the credibility?

So does PJB being null now invalidate Kantrip's early feelings of townieness from PJB's early game play?

Zen, if I die, you die with me. I'm taking control of this thread or bringing Town to the grave with me. You might not like it, but that's just how it's going to be.

That's anti-town. Why would you use it on Zen, instead of your own scumreads?

Until you explain why you're dropping PJB off based on stubbornness (and Kantrip for that matter), I see no reason to halt pressure towards PJB.

What does that have anything to do with your 'pressure' on PJB? Also, how is it pressure when you say "Hey PJB if you post a reads list I won't lynch you"

Wow, Zen. I was ALL OVER THE PLACE D1!

This is just dumb now.

No. You were VLA and came to defend yourself. Then you posted that reads list.

Confused about why I'm town to him.

How does this affect your read on Bardull, and what IS your read on him?

 

[BarDulL]

Ran, why would Kantrip/Zen vote for PJB earlier in the phase if they felt he was Town earlier in the game? Have a question for your presumed rhetorical.

It's not anti-town because I'd be killing a slot that is ridiculous on all accounts.

It has everything to do with it because they were trying to change directions for no good reason when there was a perfectly good opportunity to get a read on PJB.

I went V/LA, but I had a pretty high posting volume in comparison to a majority of the roster.anyway. A lot more than you.

 

[ranmaru]

But you haven't been putting logical arguments forward except by addressing them to Bard directly, and meanwhile on the side you've been namedropping to get votes. And when I gave you a chance to appeal to me specifically, rather than using those arguments, you flatly agreed with my saying you should be shot. This suggests to me that your Bard reasoning is created on-the-fly and doesn't mean anything to you, other than it being the public face of a wagon./quote]

Yet you stated you were fine with Bardull shooting Zen on a town flip. This shows that him saying "Go for it" isn't the heart of your concern with Zen. Why did you say that?

I don't see how telling Bardull he is scum makes zen scum or un-interested. Name dropping doesn't mean anything either. It's null. I do it all the time and ask people to join me on wagons, because I want the wagon to be filled with wagoners. All that matters is if the reasoning is legit and the reason WHY they are pushing it (if they really believe in it). So I don't see how Zen isn't believing it, and i don't see how you have a problem especially when you say he gave good points on him.

 

[ranmaru]

GORF DAMN IT

But you haven't been putting logical arguments forward except by addressing them to Bard directly, and meanwhile on the side you've been namedropping to get votes. And when I gave you a chance to appeal to me specifically, rather than using those arguments, you flatly agreed with my saying you should be shot. This suggests to me that your Bard reasoning is created on-the-fly and doesn't mean anything to you, other than it being the public face of a wagon.

Yet you stated you were fine with Bardull shooting Zen on a town flip. This shows that him saying "Go for it" isn't the heart of your concern with Zen. Why did you say that?

I don't see how telling Bardull he is scum makes zen scum or un-interested. Name dropping doesn't mean anything either. It's null. I do it all the time and ask people to join me on wagons, because I want the wagon to be filled with wagoners. All that matters is if the reasoning is legit and the reason WHY they are pushing it (if they really believe in it). So I don't see how Zen isn't believing it, and i don't see how you have a problem especially when you say he gave good points on him.

 

[ranmaru]

@Bardull:

Also, how is it pressure when you say "Hey PJB if you post a reads list I won't lynch you"

Read on Nabe?

 

[BarDulL]

I initially didn't want to have to pressure PJB because I felt he was a non-issue and that we had bigger fish to fry, namely KevinM and Kary. When PJB decided not to cooperate and be stubborn, I threw my vote on him because it was the Town thing to do. PJB was being a distraction for Town and I wasn't going to get my way early on with Kary as a result, so I decided that I'd be productive and get a stronger read on PJB. Then Zen and Kantrip drop pressure off PJB for no good reason and turn to Kary. WTF? I had no real qualms with going back to Kary, but felt that Zen and Kantrip exhibited poor leadership during that instance and felt that they weren't going to be helpful in finding scum, especially when they were willing to drop pressure when PJB exhibited traits that he does as scum as well.

 

[BarDulL]

If Nabe isn't the role I think he is, then he will probably need to be vigg'd at some point in the game.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran, why would Kantrip/Zen vote for PJB earlier in the phase if they felt he was Town earlier in the game? Have a question for your presumed rhetorical.

For pressure?

It's not anti-town because I'd be killing a slot that is ridiculous on all accounts.

What does this mean? And explain how it would benefit town.

It has everything to do with it because they were trying to change directions for no good reason when there was a perfectly good opportunity to get a read on PJB.

I still don't see why you are pushing this angle. I'll elaborate in the next post.

I went V/LA, but I had a pretty high posting volume in comparison to a majority of the roster.anyway. A lot more than you.

But did you do more than PJB?

 

[BarDulL]

The problem is that everyone's trying to maintain power and positioning, but they don't even know what to do with it or how to be effective. No one's trying to cooperate or put themselves out there like I have except for Zen, they've only been responsive and playing it safe. The problem with Zen is that he's going in the complete wrong direction from a Town PoV and it's not good at all. Nabe is someone I want to visit for a plethora of reasons, but it's not going to happen for like...2-3 Days, even. It's stupid, but it's a sad truth.