Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[Deleted member]

the idea is that you roll when the opponent thinks you are going to get up attack

also, it varies by situation like how they DI out of throws or how far they go from hits

if you smack them far away and they don't tech and they see you running really fast and jumping in with a knee good chance they will roll in

if ur opponents have crappy reaction speed or they are nervous rolling isn't bad either

 

[Brookman]

I'm assuming get-up attacks are predictable but if you time it right shouldn't you win? .

If you've ever played in a tournament you should know that this is much easier said than done. standing up is fastest ( though not impossible). It's way to situational to really discuss though.

 

[Skeletom]

fsmash. is there absolutely any use in angling this beast?

 

[Deleted member]

angling it up makes knockout a little bit better i think and could hit them barely quicker


darkrain ALWAYS angles up

 

[Skeletom]

i saw him angle it downwards against a puff in a recent match and that was what made me ask the question.

 

[linkoninja]

the idea is that you roll when the opponent thinks you are going to get up attack

also, it varies by situation like how they DI out of throws or how far they go from hits

if you smack them far away and they don't tech and they see you running really fast and jumping in with a knee good chance they will roll in

if ur opponents have crappy reaction speed or they are nervous rolling isn't bad either

aahh I see. So get-up attacks are decent but rolling is to try and prevent tech-chasing?

 

[thumbswayup]

Darkrain's game against puff shocks me

 

[Brookman]

link ? ?

 

[Mokumo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPE5lKsL9fY

poonage.

and the GFs are finally up against cosmo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS4HBUJZcik

 

[Deleted member]

aahh I see. So get-up attacks are decent but rolling is to try and prevent tech-chasing?

well

every option you do is to try and prevent tech chases

mixing it up is pretty much key unless you notice your opponent is abysmal at covering one option

a common noob one noobs suck at punishing is to do a regular get up and buffer roll

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dam

darkrain is pretty much scar if he didn't kill himself twice a match/ no technical errors

 

[Divinokage]

Hmm.. I think Falcons should use angled downwards Ftilt more vs Jiggs for sure, I think it's good to shut down their ground approach sometimes. Though with Ganon I also use downtilt since the range of it is amazing but I'm not sure how viable it is with Falcon, it doesn't seem strong enough/has too much lag. Of course sometimes with some CC.. There's also a good strat I like to use at low %.. you CC aerial and then if Jiggs want to go behind you, you can grab them inside their lag.

 

[Shroomed]

dude how is everyone losing to zelda

it's ****in zelda!!! lol

then again i play doc

 

[Roneblaster]

I use daft in all matchups down, its too ****ing fast, and can shield poke. And as we all know, if you get shield poked, you dont make the tech.

Also, it doesnt matter what character is, if you play gay or patient enough, you can probably ****. Especially if your fair and bair rapeeeeeeeeee. Just have good spacing and you auto-beat anyone who doesnt camp like a ***.

 

[Mokumo]

i LOVE getting kills with down angled F tilt

 

[Juggleguy]

DAFT catches a lot of people trying to double jump sweetspot the ledge. More people than I had imagined.

 

[Mokumo]

it also catches people that overshoot their up B by just a little bit and fail to sweetspot. so it leads to an easy ledgehog or a ledgehop -> reverse knee

 

[BigD!!!]

actually reneblade, pretty much everybody ive seen try to camp cosmo out loses

falcon can dd camp zelda pretty well, but spaceys can do better while being aggressive i think, based on my experience and what ive seen of others fighting him

 

[Deleted member]

i hate dash dance camping, i'd rather n-air

i like dash dancing though after they tech in place, great if they get scared and roll then you get a free grab

against people like ganon/zelda I really believe you can just outpressure them like crazy using n-air

only top tier ganons will make it sorta hard but if you do it correctly they can't do much

 

[Brookman]

their jumps and dash are way slower, so ya, crazy nair pressure with dash dancing is aight. Just dash in and out of zelda's fair/bair range till she jumps out then knee/grab the *****.

 

[Wenbobular]

Nair for pres

I had a brief stint of playing Fox and it made my Falcon a lot faster apparently ... <_<
Every time I think I want to play Fox my Falcon instantly decides it'll get better ~_~

Pivot Bair without forward momentum loss is cool if you can alternate them
Also standing reverse Nair while staying in place is hard and I can't tell if it's practical but I feel like it is

*Training to be Hax with more Nairs*

 

[linkoninja]

This probably isn't the place to ask but I'll ask anyways. I noticed that Cosmo plays Zelda and Sheik and it got me wondering. During Losers Counterpick procedure or blink-picks would you have to say: I'm playing Sheik
or can you just say "I'm going to select Zelda" since you can't select Sheik. Idk
It's just a thought lol

 

[mers]

I'm pretty sure you don't have to declare. I mean, they're the same character, and you're just using an ability to switch. If you're forced to declare, you get into all kinds of complications about switching mid-match and such.

Also, if I declare Sheik, but forget to hold the button and start as Zelda, would I be penalized? That doesn't make sense either.

 

[Tomacawk]

at SMYM12, cosmo and matt r actually double blinded their game one, and cosmo literally said "zelda sheik"
***** knows how to cover options

 

[Ndot]

Is downthrow knee on Marth gauranteed even if they DI away and stuff or am I just screwing up?

 

[Juggleguy]

99% sure dthrow knee on Marth is guaranteed for a very large range of percentages. Same for Peach. They're two of the easiest characters to dthrow knee.

 

[Brookman]

You have to be fast to dash, jump and then knee. if any one part is too slow it will be easy for the other player to get out one way or another.

 

[_Rocky_]

i hate dash dance camping, i'd rather n-air

i like dash dancing though after they tech in place, great if they get scared and roll then you get a free grab

against people like ganon/zelda I really believe you can just outpressure them like crazy using n-air

only top tier ganons will make it sorta hard but if you do it correctly they can't do much

nair is ******** vs most if not all mid/low tiers D:

i beat nedech's dk by merely spacing it slightly outside his bair/grab range and occasionally going for pokes which would lead to uthrows that lead into uairs -> repeat

i think i only used those 3 moves + incredibly rare bairs/knees/stomps in the whole set

what im curious about is how well nair works vs pika
feels like his sucky range should get ***** by it but similarily to fox his usmash beats it and leads to hard punishes

how do you play that weird *** mu anyway

edit
pretty sure you can never knee marth from a dthrow if he does the maximum di down and away

uthrow is guaranteed to work though

 

[ETWIST51294]

I hate Pika soooooo ****ing much.

 

[Roneblaster]

**** pikachu

 

[Windrose]

nair is ******** vs most if not all mid/low tiers D:

pretty sure you can never knee marth from a dthrow if he does the maximum di down and away

uthrow is guaranteed to work though

d-throw to knee is guaranteed on marth from like around 90% and above.

u throw to knee is only guaranteed in like some narrow range between 50/60ish to 70/80ish percent.

(everyone i've asked gives slightly different numbers for the u-throw to knee percent range) but at least you know for sure if marth is 60%~70% it's for sure guaranteed.....

 

[Brookman]

When ever you throw someone at higher percents just take* a suspenseful gasping breathe as you jump at them. It will scare them into survival DI and then you can up air > knee. **** works.

 

[Windrose]

When ever you throw someone at higher percents just let out this suspenseful gasping breathe as you jump at them. It will scare them into survival DI and then you can up air > knee. **** works.

WHAT?!? LOL

out of game techniques.....

You remind me of a friend that looks at the opponent's controller to see how they will get back onto the stage from grabbing the ledge (roll, getup attack, wavedash on, jump, etc.)

 

[Wenbobular]

You can look at you want at a Fox ledgedashing but he'll still be invincible haha

 

[Brookman]

It's ok, cause in reality you'll probably just be watching them SD.


I remember watching Taj IRL for the first time at pound 2. When he would grab people with mewtwo he'd always just turn and look at them as he was inputting his grab hits. hilarious intimidation.

 

[Deleted member]

me and hax think falcon beats pika

my style at least is pretty good vs pika even though i have no clue about the matchup

 

[Brookman]

Just don't get up air'd or back thrown off stage and you should be good. Easier said than done maybe but I think it's true.

 

[CaptainNanD0]

really s2j? you and hax think that?, i find it so hard to hit that little creature

hax also thinks falcon beats sheik so idk what to believe in anymore lol

 

[linkoninja]

really s2j? you and hax think that?, i find it so hard to hit that little creature

hax also thinks falcon beats sheik so idk what to believe in anymore lol

maybe its like that one guy said about Darkrain.

Hax doesn't think Falcon beats Sheik
Hax thinks Hax beats Sheik xD

 

[Palpi]

I think falcon beats pikachu as well.

 

[Mogwai]

IMHO, Falcon futtbucks all low tiers quite mercilessly. Pikachu's just a lot better at dishing it back out to Falcon than most of them.