Santi spills all of his knowledge.

[Shadow Moth]

Shield it and grab her. If you can't do that, which you should be able to, then just roll around her and f-smash.

 

[Santi]

the chain in the air beats the fire everytime =)

 

[FatJackieChan]

I have a problem getting back to the stage when I am above it. When some one smacks me up into the air I can't seem to find a way back down save chucking bombs or using dair and then I can easily be punished. We tend to play FD so there are not usually platforms to rely on. Sometimes when fighting Marth he will attempt to come juggle me as I'm getting hit up. What is the best course of action to get down?

 

[Shadow Moth]

Air dodging is one option but don't use it over and over again. Also, there's nothing wrong with using bombs on your way down and a good follow up to that is an occasional dair (albeit extremely occasional). fast falling is also an option but only after you've avoided/countered your opponent. Boomerang is another option especially if they follow you up.

 

[Santi]

I drop bombs sometimes to since they fall around the same speed I fall.

 

[FatJackieChan]

Sure, I'll give it a shot next time I play a friendly! Thanks

 

[iRjOn]

Santi when your hanging on the edge
what are some ways you get back up?

 

[Santi]

Santi when your hanging on the edge
what are some ways you get back up?

When over hundred % I like doing the attack.
It has good range and priority.

I usually jump on since I can do whatever from that depending on what my opponent does.

Sometimes I get a bomb if the other player is keeping their distance.

I rarely drop then jump and attack since I get punished for that. But sometimes I do it, If I see an opening. Or wall jump and bair on stages like battlefield.

 

[iRjOn]

Yes I was waiting on this b4 I hit the hay
:D
Thanx Santi
For alittle bit I thought the attack sucked and bombing or jump back on and attacking were the best options.

Well thanx again
g'night
I'll ask more tomorrow
:]
lol
XD

 

[Santi]

Yes I was waiting on this b4 I hit the hay
:D
Thanx Santi
For alittle bit I thought the attack sucked and bombing or jump back on and attacking were the best options.

Well thanx again
g'night
I'll ask more tomorrow
:]
lol
XD

Just mix it up and choose the best option on where your opponent is & what they're doing

Goodnight.

just ask away
:D

Ill try to get everything answered when I get off work.

 

[knightzy]

any tech i need to know to play him? or can i just transfer alot of my tech from my link?

 

[KBM]

I'll tell ya knightzy, i play a pretty good Link just by knowing how to play toony, i mean zair still owns, quickdraw owns, bombs are always fun, but there are a couple differences (but they aren't so much tech skill as strategy)

you can afford MUCH more off stage game, like, beyond your wildest dreams, because toony's recovery is about 3 times better (vertically anyways) than Link's, Bair and Nair are you bread and butter with TL, i imagine nair works to the same effect as Link but Bair needs to be used much more extensively.

long story short, yes you can transfer tech skill from Link, but they still play differently.

 

[mnk94]

Ok, i have a question.
Why do people always airdodge before Zair?
I never do it and i don't see a difference, but maybe there is something small i never noticed.

Btw this is my first post, so hai.

 

[chaos11011]

Maybe there holding a bomb so they can do zair while holding a bomb.Or maybe an opponent is attacing it just depends on the situation

 

[mnk94]

Hmmm ok, thanks.

 

[chaos11011]

your welocme and welcome to the TL baords have fun and any questions just ask the upper ranked TL (not me) or come here and ask.

 

[mnk94]

Haha thanks, i will :D

 

[KBM]

Ok, i have a question.
Why do people always airdodge before Zair?
I never do it and i don't see a difference, but maybe there is something small i never noticed.

Btw this is my first post, so hai.

Good question, you have REMARKABLY more control over your zair's timing if you air dodge first. When you air dodge, you're preventing yourself from taking damage right? Well air dodging and pressing A is like pressing Z (e.g. shield grabbing), so if you air dodge first, then press A, you can Zair whenever you want to! By pressing A, you'll automatically cancel your air dodge at any time.

This way, you short hop into an air dodge, keeping yourself safe from other attacks, and you can wait for the best opportunity to press A and use the zair, or you can just DI backwards and not even zair at all. By using the air dodge, you keep yourself safe and have the best possible control over the zair itself.

It really is a beautiful process.

 

[chaos11011]

Now Im wondering was my explanation right also?

 

[mnk94]

Good question, you have REMARKABLY more control over your zair's timing if you air dodge first. When you air dodge, you're preventing yourself from taking damage right? Well air dodging and pressing A is like pressing Z (e.g. shield grabbing), so if you air dodge first, then press A, you can Zair whenever you want to! By pressing A, you'll automatically cancel your air dodge at any time.

This way, you short hop into an air dodge, keeping yourself safe from other attacks, and you can wait for the best opportunity to press A and use the zair, or you can just DI backwards and not even zair at all. By using the air dodge, you keep yourself safe and have the best possible control over the zair itself.

It really is a beautiful process.

Ah, thanks.
I guess this is more in-depth,
I will have to get used to airdodging first then .
But if it's possible to Zair while holding a bomb and than throwing the bomb after the opponent got knocked back so it's a guaranteed hit, would be quite epic.

 

[Jim Morrison]

It's possible to Z-air with bomb

 

[chaos11011]

Only if you airdodge first than yes

 

[KBM]

Yeah, that'll give you the ol' VietGeek Combo

Holding a bomb, air dodge -> zair -> throw bomb -> hyphen smash

great for KO's :D

 

[chaos11011]

Combo's are awsome im gonna try that during a match anytime soon. ( goes play a lv.3 com.)

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm gonna teach you the Gf2tw 0-44% combo :O

B-air, D-air bounce, B-air.

 

[chaos11011]

Oh my god ima gonna try that any ways santi do you know any wiked combos i can ty out

 

[terry12312]

a little thingy I use, it needs improvement but so far it's pretty good and always hits people that don't airdodge;
pull out a bomb, boomerang upward, jump to any hight and throw the bomb so it hits on or just behind your opponent, quickly shoot an arrow and start charging another arrow and don't fire it yet. If the opponent rolls away from the bomb either the explosion, the arrow or both will hit him, if he rolls towards the bomb he gets hit with the arrow, if the damage is high enough the opponent might even get knocked into the boomerang or the bomb, sidestep and either the explosion, the arrow or both hit him, if the opponent jumps the boomerang nails him into the arrow and possibly the bomb explosion. the charging arrow is to make sure you hit with something and get some damage, you can go without it and replace it with a uair. The only way out of this is jump into the boomerang and airdodge it. you can also try this with a running attack instead of the arrow. also, if you have the timing right for it you can throw a bomb up, grab the opponent and throw him into the bomb.

 

[Shadow Moth]

I have a question about hyphen smashing.
I have pretty fast fingers and when I do a running u-smash I just move the control stick up really quickly. I still slide and I have never messed up (and I'm probably not going to). Is this the same thing? Does it have the same effect (especially on my movement/sliding distance)?

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Lol what's up with Ken on the first page? What is he suppose to be saying?

 

[mnk94]

I think he says : ''Wait.... what?''

 

[iRjOn]

I have a question about hyphen smashing.
I have pretty fast fingers and when I do a running u-smash I just move the control stick up really quickly. I still slide and I have never messed up (and I'm probably not going to). Is this the same thing? Does it have the same effect (especially on my movement/sliding distance)?

If your timing is correct
Then theres no difference

 

[Formerly Lore]

I have one more question, how do you avoid the Sonic move that just hones in on you? They spam it and then Spindash me to death @__@ the only way i can get them is with Uair if theyre above me but sometimes its to fast to attack.

 

[Sosuke]

I have one more question, how do you avoid the Sonic move that just hones in on you? They spam it and then Spindash me to death @__@ the only way i can get them is with Uair if theyre above me but sometimes its to fast to attack.

..... >_>

Ir your in the air:
Use any aerial move in his direction or air dodge.
Or Nair.


If your on the ground:
Utilt, Ftilt, Usmash, maybe even Up-B.

 

[FatJackieChan]

You know when you have the 2 bombs in the air, and then proceed to go and hit an enemy into both of them for a kill. How is that set up and which moves best get the opponent into the bomb trap?

 

[Jim Morrison]

I have one more question, how do you avoid the Sonic move that just hones in on you? They spam it and then Spindash me to death @__@ the only way i can get them is with Uair if theyre above me but sometimes its to fast to attack.

Dodge it and they'll fall to their doom. Dodge is best option. If they're using it from below the stage to both attack and recover, DODGE. That should teach them spamming at, they'll fall to their death BWAAHWHAHAHA

 

[TLMarth]

For Sonic's homing attack, shield and then immediately Dolphin Slash.... wait.
Dodge it, or simply run away at the right moment (Because once it goes, it doesn't change it's path.) and hit him with the back hit of nair or do something random.
Or take other people's advice.
But try everything out, see what works best.

Spoiler

I have no experience

 

[KBM]

jeez Santi, another person asking about that up smash into bombs thing
why'd you have to go and fill our heads with lies


whoever asked about that, i think that's been discussed at least twice, and the key word was "luck"

 

[Santi]

"I make my own luck"

 

[iRjOn]

@Gf2tW
Sonic wont ever fall to his doom.

 

[Shadow Moth]

Yeah, he can keep on spinning under the stage even if you dodge him.