Sakurai realized he has turned Samus into a sex object?

[ChRed2AKrisp]

OMG, this thread is still alive? I posted here in like, August. Funny, a bunch of people claim this thread is no big deal, but look how many responses it's gotten. If you all hate the thread so much, don't post in it and it'll die. Congrajulations Slugma. I personally think this thread is funny.

 

[Slugma128]

I just hope to wake some people up and realize what this will mean to a character like Samus. But still, so many people refuses to understand and just listens to their own opinion. Their own fan-based opinion. I don't doubt at all Samus will remain a great heroeine for the hard-core fans. But I seriously doubt Nintendo can avoid the sex object stamp on her now when it comes to casual gamers.

 

[Tiamat]

One person even refered to her as a stephsister. You can't think sexy of her.

I think the ever increasing library of Samus hentai out there disagrees with that person's as well as your own statement.

 

[AS Juggernaut]

Other gaming forums? Because I'm talking about casual people, people who don't visit forums at all. You know, the largest consumer base of video games.

But this is getting ridicolous. If you can't admit someone who wears a suit that shows every darn curve was made for sex appeal, then you simply refuse to realize it and there's no point in discussing it.

I just hope to wake some people up and realize what this will mean to a character like Samus. But still, so many people refuses to understand and just listens to their own opinion. Their own fan-based opinion. I don't doubt at all Samus will remain a great heroeine for the hard-core fans. But I seriously doubt Nintendo can avoid the sex object stamp on her now when it comes to casual gamers.

Most casual people are actually normal....... When Zamus's nipples are showing, she's in a string bikini and u can clearly see her peach *** cheeks, then she is a sex symbol. Either ways you say we are ignoring what you say, and all you do is ignore what everyon else is saying. You are obviously outnumbered and complain that nobody is agreeing with you when you were asking originally for people to voice their opinions on this. No, you just wanted them to agree with your opinion. I'm done with this thread, I proved my point.

 

[Starmanclock]

Nah, I think he is trying to make clear that Samus is a girl for those who have never played a single Metroid game.

 

[Don Muffin]

I come to the forums after like an 8 month hiatus and I see this gigantic turd of a thread waiting for me on the proverbial kitchen table.

Slugma should be banned for being an idiot. This has to be the most stupid fanboy post I have ever seen. He's the one with the shot of her booty. Seriously. I feel like you're using this thread to milk more hentai fantasies out of your Samus fetish, just like a kid who pretends to hate gays/big boobs/furry pr0n just so that he can "study the subject" while on the sideline he's getting his jollies.

Unless you are a joke account, in which case: props on making a 33 page thread about absolutely nothing. Kudos bro.

Who cares if she's a sex object? I rather like the idea of being able to pause and to see provactive angles of characters other than Peach and Zelda. Why can't a woman show her body? Are you from Saudi Arabia? Or are you just uncomfortable with female anatomy in general?

 

[Slugma128]

Well, would could I expect from a fan board? Ignorant fanboys of course. *sigh*

So you're saying she needs to be nude before being a sex object? Doesn't matter how MANY you are, if you have such crappy statements.

 

[Konuk]

The point is no one cares what they look like as long as they have fun. and if we were talkng about a casual person i dont think they would care....

 

[Tiamat]

Most casual people are actually normal....... When Zamus's nipples are showing, she's in a string bikini and u can clearly see her peach *** cheeks, then she is a sex symbol. Either ways you say we are ignoring what you say, and all you do is ignore what everyon else is saying. You are obviously outnumbered and complain that nobody is agreeing with you when you were asking originally for people to voice their opinions on this. No, you just wanted them to agree with your opinion. I'm done with this thread, I proved my point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Symbol


The only thing you proved is that your own personal definition of sex symbol (the requirement to be nearly nude) is completely different from the more majorly recognized one.

Even the pic used as an example in that article is far from the string bikini you described.

Here are some other sources that define "Sex Symbol". Note the COMPLETE LACK of any mention of skin or nudity (in case anyone is worried, there is no "vulgar mature/pornographic" content in any of these links).

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sex+symbol
http://www.articleworld.org/index.php/Sex_symbol
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/sex (definition of "sex symbol")

 

[Master.Lord.Marth.]

God...please stop this. Whether she was meant to be a sex symbol or not she is going to be in the game, there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

You realize that since the 80's, if you beat the game under certain circumstances, Samus would jump out of her suit and fight the last boss scantily clad? The answer to "Has Sakurai turned Samus into a sex object" is No. That happened two decades ago.

 

[AS Juggernaut]

A sex symbol is a famous and/or notable person, male or female, who is found sexually attractive by the general audience

lol fine Tiamat. Do you find Zamus so sexually attractive that you are going to surf the web and beat off to her picture. O wait ur gunna say you dont have to beat off to someone for them to be sexually attractive. These are freakin pixels and if you find these pixels so sexually attractive then I look at you as very pathetic. The point is casual people don't really find pixels so attractive.


Edit: My solution if you find her so attractive that you can't focus on playin her or if the fact that you think she's a sex symbol offends you, just don't play as her. She's already in the game and she's not gonna change.

 

[Konuk]

Wow someone stop this thread plz even i left i just dont know whats making me come back here the argument or the fact that everyone is still bugged by this not pleasing in anyway. And Yes Zero Suit samus is Sexy So what I have Children to >

 

[Inferno_blaze]

This thread sucks. Samus is a sex symbol, big deal but it doesn't mean she has some huge stamp on her in all her games from now on saying "I AM A SEX SYMBOL, BE ATTRACTED TO ME AND WATCH AS MY CHARACTER DIMINISHES". Christ people.

"These are freakin pixels and if you find these pixels so sexually attractive then I look at you as very pathetic"
You sir just sank low, that's about the lamest response you can have. Other than it being a cheap (and failed) shot at the other guy it's also completely ignoring many things already brought up such as, do you look down on people who are scared by games designed to be frightening? There's no difference there, it's just raising an emotion. And yes, why of course I um "beat" off to samus (hehe). This thread is horrendous, I won't post in here from now on in the vain hope that it will just give up and die.

 

[Konuk]

lol
Me: *chooses Samus*
Brother: Dang, Samus runs like a girl.
Me: >_>...I think there's something I should tell you.

Last post on this thread * if i come back derep me *

Rofl so true so true my friend had to be told as well even though he didnt believe me.

 

[MetaKnight0]

Uh I was just skimming posts and I just want to say that you don't need to be nude to be a sex symbol. In fact that is hardly ever the case. Saying that is like ignoring the sex symbolism that stuff like high heels have built up.

 

[GaryCXJk]

I think that plumbers are the ultimate sex symbols.

God I would really kill to see the plumber boys in a thong.






Hopefully I scared enough off to kill this thread once and for all.

 

[Mediocre]

You know, I don't really mind this, but I hope they also have Samus in full armor. It would piss me off if they ditched the original Samus for this one.

 

[Slugma128]

Please people, at least try to understand what this topic is about. It's not about discussing the hotness of ZSS (I can honestly admit I think she's hot, but that's not something I take into this discussion now). It's not about bashing each other.

First, I know as well as you do, that Samus has always been a show-off. Beat the game fast and her clothes goes off. But this is DIFFERENT, and you'll have to understand that. Don't just look at this topic's subject either black or white. There are many nyances.

First, in all the real Metroid games, you have to be very good at playing them to "deserve" a more scantily-clad Samus. Even in Zero Mission, you have to play to the very end of the game to see Samus in that blue suit that goes up her butt like a thong.

In Brawl, anyone can see that anytime. You don't have to accomplish something. It's free for all. And you know, if Nintendo really wanted, they could have put her in less tight clothes. Yeah, I know. Her clothes gotta be tight under her power suit. But not THAT tight. Again, don't look at this in either black or white. Just because I say her clothes under the power suit didn't need to be super skin tight, I don't say she should wear jeans and a t-shirt.

The point with all of this, is actually rather simple, but Metroid/Samus fanboys seem to refuse to realize it, or possibly, admit it. Nintendo is making Samus a sex object. I know, many females in videogames are that already. Lara Croft was designed from the ground up to be a sex object. Chun Li and Cammy, too. Princess Peach is becoming one, slowly but surely. But Peach isn't "there" yet. Characters like Princess Zelda and Jade from BG&E are not sex objects, they're not going around scantily clad or doing sexy poses to sell their popularity.

I mean, compare ZSS's suit to other female characters. And leave out DOA, there's no need to compare to the worst in the business. Compare to Lara Croft. Sure, miss Croft has more outragous proportions, but ZZS has tighter and more showing clothes. And compare to Taki from Soul Calibur, even fans would say Taki is a sex object. How much differs her clothes from ZSS's? Not much at all, it's just that Taki has ridicolous proportions.

I'm NOT saying Nintendo are doing wrong or that Brawl will be a bad game because ZZS is showing off every curve. I'm just saying Nintendo ARE showing off ZSS, and this is the first serious attempt to sell on her body since the Japanese commercial for Zero Mission.

 

[KidHellion]

Okay people of SmashBoards, here comes KidHellion of the Team Hijack Brawl forums to inject some sense into you people.

Samus is, and has been for a while, a "sex symbol". She is a character that some people find sexually attractive. Don't deny it: Slugma thinks she's hot, and the people who make Samus hentai agree. Hell, even I can admit she's kinda' hot.

She is also a "sex object". Wikipedia's definition (the only definition I have to go on) includes a "sex symbol" as one type of "sex object". You follow? Good.

So far, all we'eve decided is that SOME people find her sexually attractive. This obviously includes Slugma with his hypocritical sig.

HOWEVER, she is NOT in the game PURELY for sexual gratification of gamers. She does NOT, as far as I can tell, have "jiggle physics". She IS based on Samus as she has appeared in several other games. Does she provide "sex appeal"? Yes, but only if you are a straight male or lesbian female, and only if you find the qualities of Samus to be hot.

She is NOT exxagerated at all. She has perfectly plausible body standards for someone who's life revolves around going to harsh alien worlds and blowing them up for money. She trains, stays fit, and does not have ginormous boobies. She's a c-cup, tops. This is not implauable.

Next: the butt shots. I've watched the trailer, and they do not show off "every curve of her body". yes, they include an butt shot, but after this one discrepancy they don't focus on her sexuality at all, really. If they DID, it still wouldn't be anything new: you can see he in much more compromisingly skimpy outfits in Metroid endings.

Oh, yes, the endings. I forgot: you get to those through hard work, and that makes it okay. Well, unless you have THE INTERNET, that is. You know, the internet? The thing we're posting on? Yeah. Now if you wanna' see those endings, you can go on Google Images, or Wikipedia. Oh, gosh, all that effort. Hell, you can see Samus totally nude, as drawn by people like Slugma here, by taking off Google's image filters and typing the same query: "samus".

But let's not forget her myseriousness! After all, her "mysterious reputation" is what the real fanboys care about the most. nevermind the fact that I can go on Wikipedia, a Metroid fansite, or any number of other things and find Samus's ENTIRE PAST, complete with images scanned from her origin manga. Gosh, real mysteripous. As for her mysterious identity among those in her own fictional universe? Well, since when have Smash Bros. games been canonical? It'd make no difference. Even if it was, who else from her universe would see her? Dark Samus? It probably already noticed when it was duplicating her form. Ridley? He's seen her like that (albeit a lot younger) when he slaughtered her parents. I'm sure she's probably done the whole Inigo Montoya "You killed my parents, prepare to die" bit with him at some point anyway, if only in a manga or something.

And don't try to tell me a casual gamer can't look these things up, or wouldn't. Do most gamers have the internet? I'd wager a "yes" on that one. Do most gamers have free time in which to pursue their hobby that could otherwise be used to idly type in "metroid" or "samus" on Wikipedia or Google? Yep. hell, maybe they'd be looking for porn, but they'd undoubtedly also find a bunch of pictures of Samus wearing her classic suit of armour and blasting aliens.

You know, the same armour they'd see in Brawl anyway, as Zero Suit Samus is an alternate form of the classic Samus and you'd probably end up playing as her armoured incarnation at least fairly often.

Now, the jumpsuit has a legitimate purpose. It's tightness also has a legitimate purpose. Mobility in combat, and to fit in the armour. Now, Slugma says it doesn't need to be "that tight". Now look how little extra room there is in that armour. Look at teh **** skinny legs, and barely adequate chest plate. The only place she has room for anything "less tight" is those huge shoulder domes.

Now, knowing Nintendo's ecclectic tastes, I can see maybe 1 or 2 spinoffs where you play as ZS Samus. In theory. MAYBE. More likely, you'll have 1 or 2 levels in a couple games where you play as her. I seriously doubt it'll suddenly switch to a third-person view with the dreaded jiggle physics JUST for that, though. If they make a spinoff starring this version? Also doubtful, though I'll admit it's not impossible. But will they ever completely ditch or screw up the "lone, mysterious, badass bounty huntress" image with the armour, the screw attack, the morph ball, and the arm cannon? Hells no. That'll happen the day Nintendo decideds that Mario will, from now on, be a gangsta who deals drugs and raps about punching out hookers.

Maybe the fact that Samus's well-rendered butt give Slugma a raging erection everytime he sees it DOESN'T mean anything for the future of gaming, or even just for Samus. Maybe, just maybe, he's just a desperate, horny guy with two pictures of Samus's butt in his sig, an unnatural obsession with jiggling, and a huge stash of hentai on his computer.

 

[Slugma128]

Well, you're right about one thing. She's hot! ;D However...

First, you're making assumptions. I don't have a single KB of hentai on my computer, nor do I like to look at it. You just assume that because I think Samus's butt looks good enough for my sig. Also, haven't you thought why Nintendo put her in a tight (?) power suit from the start? And made her take it off each game to show off her body? Heck, she was one of Nintendo's first female characters (let's not forget about Nana from Ice Climber!) and if you ask me she was designed from the start to be a sex object. But due to technical limitations she was a simple, low-res sprite in a skimpy bikini in the first Metroid.

Now that the graphics has come far enough to create truly stunning 3-D visuals, Samus is starting to look really good. In THAT sense. Heck, why do you think Peach started to act sexy in Melee? SSBM was the first GC game that Peach starred in, and GC was the first Nintendo machine that allowed beautiful 3-D graphics. Later in GC's sports titles, Peach even wore a thong with her big butt just hanging out jiggling like jello whenever she ran or jumped. But only in Japan. And that's a little interesting. NOA obviously felt western gamers wasn't ready for it. Yet.

So, we all have our personal tastes. Of course, some people think ZZS is hot, some people don't. But I think the general opinion by casual people is that someone who wears a suit like ZZS's, is a sex object. I mean, not even gymnasts in the olympics have a suit that tight. And interestingly, if you remember the old American comics with Captain N, Samus had a green jumpsuit which wasn't at all as tight as her blue. It was tight, but not THAT tight.

 

[mr.NoOb]

I think Samus has gone from a deadly, scary, bad *** bounter hunter to a bond-like girl with a gun. it's actually a put off. she wouldnt have a very threatening appearance anymore...she looks much to soft vulnerable.....an underdog.


bring back the armor!

(im not gay, I just want samus to have a intimidating look=armor.) if the game has both, then its all good.

 

[KidHellion]

Sorry, my mistake. You just have two picture's of Samus's butt in your sig and an unnatural obsession with jiggling. No hentai obsession at all... Well, as far as I know, anyway.

Also, how exactly is Peach sexy in Melee? No, really? Maybe your mind is just prone to seeing women that way.

Also, I find it interesting that though when you started this topic you were adamant that Sakurai had "turned Samus into a sex object", but now you are willing to admit that this has been a constant theme throughout the series.

And PLEASE don't use Captain N to back up any arguement. Just look what they did to Ridley, Mother Brain, Pit (or, as they referred to him, "Kid Icarus") and poor, poor Belmont.

But, seriously, you're right. Gymnasts don't wear suits that tight. Maybe because their rigorous workouts are still nothing compared to fighting secret agents with rocket launchers and living electrical hazards, I guess. Or fitting in extremely tight armour. Or travelling through space fighting aliens. Really, you shouldn't use that as an example anyway. I mean, theirs is loose enough to allow the evil jiggling, and they occasionally show some skin, unlike Samus's Zero Suit.

Speaking of Snake, by the way, I'll point out that his outfit is really tight spandex, too. Granted, portions of it are covered with other fabric, but you can't argue that he was designed to be "humorously attired" like you did with Falcon.

And the fact is, I'm sure you could find SOMEBODY, somewhere, who find anything sexually attractive. This is, after all, the internet. Technically, this makes everything, everywhere, a "sex symbol" and thus a "sex object". I'll admit that there is some intended sex appeal in Samus's new outfit, but I think it's fair to say that you'll find a straight female or gay male somewhere that'll think Snake is the sexyist thing around. His outfit does nothing to discourage this. Is Sakurai also making him a sex symbol? Or his original creators? No, he's just a badass in spandex- like Samus or like Batman. Yes, Batman: another fictional character that wears ultra-tight spandex and is still perceived as a total badass. To sum it up:

Spandex and badassitude are sometimes compatible, and thus the Zero Suit will not destroy Samus's reputation, however form-fitting it is.

Next point: Why shouldn't Samus look sexy? What's wrong with it? The stigma we place around sex, nudity, and the human body in general is really more of a European thing. The Japanese regularily include full-frontal nudity of women and, sometimes, men. They include this in anime programs such as Inu-Yasha, Sailor Moon, and Dragon Ball. From their cultural viewpoint, there's nothing wrong with it. And other cultures are even more relaxed around it. Why should western culture be imposed upon a Japanese-produced game? A game, I'll hasten to add, that will probably be rated "T" anyway?

Finally, I'll fire one more round of proverbial ammunition at the "Samus's reputation" argument. First, my worthy opponents, consider the proportions of women you've seen or known personally. Then, think what they'd look like if they went through extrensive training, perhaps in a military capacity. Now, is Samus's body really that unrealistic for a space-faring bounty huntress? Didn't think so.

Now, some would say she's more vulnerable. Now, I'm not them, and I'm not able to read their minds. They could mean emotionally or physically. Physically, yes, she's more vulnerable. But really, that's just compared to her when equipped with her armour. Compared to most real human beings, she's insanely tough. She's quick, an amazing gymnast, a markswoman, able to take a beating, and ninjarific. You gonna' tell me ninjas aren't tough? And just look at some of the old Metroid victory pictures again. She has a freakin' six-pack. She's ripped!

Now, emotionally, look at her expression in the trailer. Just pause it when she's staring down Pit and look at her. No, not there, you perverts, I've moved on from the physical aspect. Look at her face. She looks pissed is what she looks like. If you saw a chick glaring at you like that and holding some kind of weapon, would YOU call her vulnerable to her face?

Oh, and on a closing note, I believe I recall someone saying she's probably be flirty in Brawl. Take a look at her again, in the first trailer or the gameplay trailer. Her? Flirty? Yeah right, buddy. You should be so lucky. She's butch as hell. And as for her taunt, I bet it'll be that thing where she opens the gun and reloads it or whatever. I can't see any use for that as a move or anything.

 

[spjd]

I think it was a rather good move by Sakurai.
I mean, he can't change that that's apparently how Samus looks underneath all that armor.
And it will attrack some more people, plus it gives Samus a little more originality. (Not that she isn't original as is, it just gives her someting that the others doesn't have.. Well, sorta except Zelda..)

 

[Inferno_blaze]

Samus is hot, she's a sex symbol to people but her point isn't to be a sex symbol (example: The DoA girls) If she appears in other games for example her point is not to be the "OMG JIGGLY!" character (Taki/Ivy - well basically all the girls in SC2). As I agree with most of the above posters.

Seriously, peach was NOT sexy in melee. She was just annoying, nothing she did was sexy , nothing she said was sexy, I HATE PEACH in melee, it's only after in the sports titles they started to make her "sexy", it's looking to get worse in Mario strikers charged (which I will prob buy if it's multiplayer/online JUST because bowser has giant metal claws and is playable)

Oh and she looks pissed because she's being forced to fight all these stupid cartoony characters (I'm looking at you Pika!) before she goes back to saving the galaxy.

Also the Japanese are far more cautious of nudity than the West, you have it the wrong way, the japanese have VERY strict laws on cencorship. It's only in er "special" areas that you begin the find the wierd, sex obsessed side of Japan. That's where it becomes much worse than the US. To the point of sickening. Can we move of this now?

Samus isn't butch, she's badass, and awesome for it. Also that gun change thing? That'd be how she switches between whip and pistol. Also this thread? Rubbish. Seriously now, I won't post in here again unless it's something to do with the game (like the gun whip thing) or at least intelligent. Good day!

 

[KidHellion]

I dunno, Inferno_blaze, their mangas and animes do feature nudity fairly often. Full frontal during Sailor Moon transformations and in the bath, a couple shots of boobs in Inu-Yasha mangas, etc. Nothing TOO bad, but still. Oh, and in Dragon Ball they had a shot of a nude Goku swimming that was pretty gross.

Before anyone questions this, I only know this crap 'cause I read mangas. Those I know for sure. The otehr stuff was on some sites like that "why disney is perverted" one.

 

[fleapy]

Lets say nintendo its trying to make super smash bros brawl as sexually apealing as possible, right? If they were to make zs "sexy", why not rip paech off her skirt, and show her in her "mario golf uniform", or heik with having as tighed skined clothing as samus. In the end od the day...when were actually playing this game, well be more engrosed with playing the game then any kind of remote hotness to any female ( or male) in the game.
And, if it is trul sexy, then more people will buy it, resulting in more quality games. I peronaly have no idea though how anyone thinks of zs in that way...shes made of polygons for sake ( sexy polygons mind),

 

[GaryCXJk]

Let me also put it the other way.

What if Sakurai added Samus for sex appeal reasons? Would you leave the game because of that? Or will you hate Samus for that? Would you be terrified if others will think of her that way? If so, wouldn't it make you a fake Nintendo fan? And if it's not so, why in heaven's name would you create this topic? It just isn't needed, even if you are "affraid" that people will see her as sex symbol. Real fans trust that she will be regarded as a woman, not as a bimbo.

And besides, where would Snake get his fap material from?

 

[Mediocre]

The stigma we place around sex, nudity, and the human body in general is really more of a European thing.

Actually, it's really more of an American thing, and maybe an English thing.

Germany, for example, will sometimes have porn on broadcast TV late at night. So, yeah not all of Europe is so uptight about sexuality. The USA is probably one of the most conservative countries in the world in that regard.

Also the Japanese are far more cautious of nudity than the West, you have it the wrong way, the japanese have VERY strict laws on cencorship. It's only in er "special" areas that you begin the find the wierd, sex obsessed side of Japan. That's where it becomes much worse than the US. To the point of sickening. Can we move of this now?

Actually, the Japanese are much more open about sex than we are, both in media and in everyday life. Until recently, the Japanese didn't even have a national age of consent. Right now I think it's set at 14, but that's only happened in the last few years. They have a few strange laws, such as not allowing the genitals to be shown in any type of media, but they're generally much more relaxed about the whole issue than we are.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Look, the fact of the matter here is that Zero Suit Samus was not included for any sexual reasons whatsoever. If you want to take it like that then that's your issue. If Sakurai truly wanted to add her for the sex appeal, he would have done so. She would have looked like this and been given 'jiggle physics' like any female fighters in any other fighting game. She wouldn't have a high-tech gun-whip or any of those quick acrobatic moves. If he was trying to sexualize her, she would be doing things like blowing kisses and hip checks, and acting like a ditzy hot chick. I can sort of see where you're coming from when you say you think she's a sex symbol, but after looking through all of your arguments it seems to me that you're putting together pieces that arent' there to reach a conclusion you, by all rights, should not be able to find.

 

[Tiamat]

Look, the fact of the matter here is that Zero Suit Samus was not included for any sexual reasons whatsoever.

You can't actually prove this (nor can anyone actually prove the alternative). Any "evidence" brought up would be entirely based on opinion. Without Sakurai himself talking about it, you have no idea what Sakurai considers to be sex appeal, and thus your little pic of what Sakurai would have made Samus look like means NOTHING. Furthermore, things like "Samus isn't included in the game for sexual reasons because she has high tech weapons and acrobatic moves" means NOTHING as well. Tons of sex appeal women in videogames and other media have high tech weaponry and acrobatic moves (in fact, MOST have the latter. Lara Croft has quick acrobatic moves, for example). Furthermore, 'she would be doing things like blowing kisses and acting like a ditzy hot chick" means NOTHING too. Kasumi of Dead or Alive does none of those (although you can force her to pole dance in DOAX2, but all the girls can do all the things in that game no matter how out of character it is). Taki does none of those either. Furthermore, the idea of what's sexually stimulating in Japan (or anywhere in the world, really) includes a wide variety of things not necessarily related to blowing kisses or acting like a ditz.

Stating that the "FACT" of the matter is that Zero Suit Samus was not included for sexual reasons is merely being big-headed. Without direct quotation from Sakurai or Miyamoto or another high level Nintendo exec on the matter, you can't prove that and you never will be able to, so don't try to pass off your own opinions as fact.

 

[experiment111]

Gd argument but im still gonna say this topic is purely a matter of opinion........hang on all topics are 0_o
What i mean to say is some people may find her attractive some may not the point still remains we'lll never know for sure and we'll never care. U kno why?
COS SAMUS KICKS *** ^_^!!!!!!111

 

[HiddenTiger]

You can't actually prove this (nor can anyone actually prove the alternative). Any "evidence" brought up would be entirely based on opinion. Without Sakurai himself talking about it, you have no idea what Sakurai considers to be sex appeal, and thus your little pic of what Sakurai would have made Samus look like means NOTHING. Furthermore, things like "Samus isn't included in the game for sexual reasons because she has high tech weapons and acrobatic moves" means NOTHING as well. Tons of sex appeal women in videogames and other media have high tech weaponry and acrobatic moves (in fact, MOST have the latter. Lara Croft has quick acrobatic moves, for example). Furthermore, 'she would be doing things like blowing kisses and acting like a ditzy hot chick" means NOTHING too. Kasumi of Dead or Alive does none of those (although you can force her to pole dance in DOAX2, but all the girls can do all the things in that game no matter how out of character it is). Taki does none of those either. Furthermore, the idea of what's sexually stimulating in Japan (or anywhere in the world, really) includes a wide variety of things not necessarily related to blowing kisses or acting like a ditz.

Stating that the "FACT" of the matter is that Zero Suit Samus was not included for sexual reasons is merely being big-headed. Without direct quotation from Sakurai or Miyamoto or another high level Nintendo exec on the matter, you can't prove that and you never will be able to, so don't try to pass off your own opinions as fact.

Alright, granted, I can't prove that there was no sexual reasoning behind Zero Suit's inclusion. But really, doesn't common sense dictate that if there were any sexual reasons, they'd be, well, a little more obvious? I mean, skin tight clothing and a fleeting butt shot does not a sex figure make. Falcon's been sporting his skin tight blue unitard since SSB64. Is he a sex figure? Wario's butt got more screen time than ZSS's did in the first trailer. What about him? I just think that whoever says that ZSS was added just to be a sex symbol is putting together pieces that aren't there.

But you are right, I shouldn't have used the word fact. That's my bad.

 

[Slugma128]

Again, you FAIL to see the difference bewteen comical characters (C.Falcon and especially Wario) and more serious characters, like Samus.

And about the title of this topic. True, Sakurai didn't create ZZS. But he (and his team) now use her in a way that'll make her a sex object in most people's eyes. Casual people who don't know about the Metroid universe will think "Oh, another of those stereotype females in videogames".

 

[Epok]

You have some valid points, but just from the generic game play the whole gamplay seems more edgy. i dont think there is anything wrong with a lil sexy in this game. besides with all the armor on we tend to forget that samus was ment to be a young, beautiful, bounty hunter thats part of her character. I dont think that are degrading her, she still shows the personna as a strong indipendent woman that is extreamly dangerous. so i dont think it is a big deal.

 

[Slugma128]

I know. For us fans, this isn't a big deal. We have already seen Samus like this. But just wait untill Brawl is released and then look what will happen to the internet. Samus hentai will explode into 10 times. At least. The decision to put ZSS in Brawl will have massive effects, just you wait and see.

The only I personally worry about is that Samus will be associated with sterotype vg females after this game, and not the cool, mystery bounty hunter she really is. I worry that casual people will look at her the same kind of way as they look at Lara Croft.

 

[experiment111]

Why do ppl care how samus is viewed surely its ure own opinion that shud guide u to wht is right. or at least what u think is right.
again SAMUS ROXORS MY SOXORS!!!!!!11111

 

[Zeee]

You can look forward to zamus hentai.... Like I haven't already found some... lol
Snake on Zamus..
Zamus wit wiimote...

Can't wait......

Lol

 

[KoopaKoot]

I don't think people will call Samus "guy" or "man" ever again. Sakurai-San has brought some character to Samus, she didn't even make any human like sounds in the previous Smash Bros.

 

[Slugma128]

Well, if you ask me, I've always prefered Samus as a silent, mystic and lonely heroine no one knows much about. That image is no more, sadly. Now she's showing off her body instead like any other stereotype vg female. Not that I'm really complaining, haha! It's just that she has changed so much. Just like Peach, who has don the butt floss and jiggle jiggle already. But hey, that was to be expected.