The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
Yeah, I'm coming off a little strong, thanks for reminding me. I just love Melee so much, and I don't want Brawl to be nerfed just because Nintendo hates skill in games.
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Sakurai knows what he is doing
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slikvik
Smash Master
im gonna **** you all in brawl...at least thats what i thought until i saw there was only a 64 friend limit...
The Dragon
Smash Journeyman
yah whil 64 friend limit does suck its better than what melee had and theres still always the random way to do it, or just have friends come over
Edit: Actually, no, I am going to say something long.
2. You're right: he's making certain aspects of the game easier in order to make it more accessible to everyone, but what does that matter? Do you know why other games have competitive communities? It's because THE PLAYERS MAKE THEM. Even if, after years of testing, the only advanced techs in Brawl are only the ones mentioned in Gimpy's topic, that's still enough to create a gap between the hardcore and the truly casual. And, like I already said, Brawl is going to have a competitive scene regardless of its gameplay because the players who love the game and are willing to compete seriously will be the ones who'll create it.
3. Seriously, what's with everybody and that stupid "Real men use items" quote? Haven't you been reading, well, every other update on the Dojo? Sakurai's updates are filled with jokes.
4. No, Sakurai does not think Link and Ganon are top tier, because it's obvious even to a newbie that they are not. He and his devs know exactly where Melee was when they started work on Brawl (believe it or not, developers do research on their games, and remember that the entire Brawl dev team is composed of Smash players). Yes, some of their decisions have raised a few eyebrows (Peach's buffs, Samus' apparent projectile nerf), but then plenty of their decisions have been good (Marth, Falco and Sheik arealmost certainly gone, Fox and the Shine have been nerfed, Bowser and Link's buffs).
5. Remember that it was the players who create the tiers. So, yes, Sakurai knows nothing about tiers because they're not his concern.
2. Okay, SD only happens when the last remaining combatants die at the same time. You know we well as I do how rarely that occurs. SD is what it has always been since the original.
3. Spectator mode sucks? You watch matches instead of playing them. What the hell is so bad about that? Obviously it's not exactly the greatest thing in the world about Brawl but it's just another mode, and a minor one at that.
4. No, he does not want Brawl to be a party game. Again, Sakurai is not an idiot.
Mario and Sonic @ The Olympics is a party game.
Mario Party 8 is a party game.
Big Brain Academy is a party game.
[Insert 100% Bull**** Wii Minigame Collection Here] is a party game.
Fighting games are not, and never will be, party games.
5. Please, don't question the decisions made with Brawl's online mode. Be thankful that we have one to begin with; remember that the Wii and all of its online features are Nintendo's first ever journey with this technology. If you ask me, what we've received so far is pretty **** impressive.
1. Nobody is acting as if Sakurai is a genius of game design or anything, but you have to understand that a lot of people here believe in him. I like the competitive scene-I wish there were more tourneys near where I live-but I'll be honest with you; I don't care if somehow Brawl turns out to be "un-competitive" (and, logically speaking, that's not gonna happen anyway). What we've seen is more than enough proof that whatever it turns out to be, Brawl is going to be one freakin' awesome game, far better than the original and Melee ever were.
2. You're right: he's making certain aspects of the game easier in order to make it more accessible to everyone, but what does that matter? Do you know why other games have competitive communities? It's because THE PLAYERS MAKE THEM. Even if, after years of testing, the only advanced techs in Brawl are only the ones mentioned in Gimpy's topic, that's still enough to create a gap between the hardcore and the truly casual. And, like I already said, Brawl is going to have a competitive scene regardless of its gameplay because the players who love the game and are willing to compete seriously will be the ones who'll create it.
3. Seriously, what's with everybody and that stupid "Real men use items" quote? Haven't you been reading, well, every other update on the Dojo? Sakurai's updates are filled with jokes.
4. No, Sakurai does not think Link and Ganon are top tier, because it's obvious even to a newbie that they are not. He and his devs know exactly where Melee was when they started work on Brawl (believe it or not, developers do research on their games, and remember that the entire Brawl dev team is composed of Smash players). Yes, some of their decisions have raised a few eyebrows (Peach's buffs, Samus' apparent projectile nerf), but then plenty of their decisions have been good (Marth, Falco and Sheik are
5. Remember that it was the players who create the tiers. So, yes, Sakurai knows nothing about tiers because they're not his concern.
1. Look, regardless of what is done to a fighting game, there will always be good players and bad players. You may not like some of Sakurai's decisions but he's not an idiot; he's not going to make Brawl some kind of unplayable, supremely unbalanced game.
2. Okay, SD only happens when the last remaining combatants die at the same time. You know we well as I do how rarely that occurs. SD is what it has always been since the original.
3. Spectator mode sucks? You watch matches instead of playing them. What the hell is so bad about that? Obviously it's not exactly the greatest thing in the world about Brawl but it's just another mode, and a minor one at that.
4. No, he does not want Brawl to be a party game. Again, Sakurai is not an idiot.
Mario and Sonic @ The Olympics is a party game.
Mario Party 8 is a party game.
Big Brain Academy is a party game.
[Insert 100% Bull**** Wii Minigame Collection Here] is a party game.
Fighting games are not, and never will be, party games.
5. Please, don't question the decisions made with Brawl's online mode. Be thankful that we have one to begin with; remember that the Wii and all of its online features are Nintendo's first ever journey with this technology. If you ask me, what we've received so far is pretty **** impressive.
*gives you a big hug* You beat me to it, but thanks. ^^
See, this guy has the right attitude...at least with what I just quoted him for.
Red Exodus
Smash Master
I hate to disagree with Dragon, there's a difference between acceptance and complacency.
It's not Sakurai's fault that online sucks, it's Nintendo's fault but nevertheless, it sucks hard. Nintendo needs to stop BSing their customers with their ******** friend codes for every game and no name crap.
I don't even think I'll be able to use online, I don't know any one on this island with a Wii and I'm so far from America/Europe that people would probably play random rather than fight me 1 vs 1.
It's not Sakurai's fault that online sucks, it's Nintendo's fault but nevertheless, it sucks hard. Nintendo needs to stop BSing their customers with their ******** friend codes for every game and no name crap.
I don't even think I'll be able to use online, I don't know any one on this island with a Wii and I'm so far from America/Europe that people would probably play random rather than fight me 1 vs 1.
Leave Nintendo alone. They're still new to this whole thing and they're doing what they think is best.
Red Exodus
Smash Master
That's a poor excuse, even PS2's online was better.
I don't see how they could even consider their online service acceptable. They're making the most profit out of anyone, yet they don't try to improve anything.
I don't see how they could even consider their online service acceptable. They're making the most profit out of anyone, yet they don't try to improve anything.
Cless
Smash Champion
Please don't make assumptions about characters we have no real basis to use to assume whether or not they are gone.
Uchiharakiri
Smash Journeyman
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You're coming off a little strong saying Nintendo hates skill in games, too.
Uchiharakiri
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I can understand your anger but, it is a good excuse. After the N64, unlike every other company, Nintendo never really did focus or have any drive to focus on online playability for their games, and now with this console after the GameCube, they really -are- new to it.
slikvik
Smash Master
I don't see whats wrong with calling out nintendo on its poor(terrible) online implementation. If they see enough complaints from the fans, they may think twice about some of the unnecessary choices they've made that reduce the overall experience
Ginger9001
Smash Ace
Atleast Nintendo's online is FREE. *cough* *cough*
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
That doesn't mean it has to suck though.
Ginger9001
Smash Ace
True, true. I'd rather have a decent online for free than a little bit better version for an assload of money though.
But seriously, what's so bad about it?
Cless
Smash Champion
Individual FCs for every game for one. Lack of most basic online functions in the games.
XBL is pretty sweet. I think it's worth 5 dollars a month.
XBL is pretty sweet. I think it's worth 5 dollars a month.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
$5 a month is so ridiculously cheap and sooo much better than Nintendo's online that it's silly. I'd gladly pay some money to have an excellent service.
Cless
Smash Champion
I as well, which is why I do. Having a private conversation with your friend while playing on two separate teams is priceless.
Ginger9001
Smash Ace
Alright, but what's soooo much better about it than Nintendo's? I mean, I know its worse than the 360's but why exactly? O.o
GreenKirby
Smash Master
Well let's just say we get what we paid for.
Cless
Smash Champion
Voice chat
Private voice chat while your playing games
Invites to any 360 game that has online whether or not they are on your friend list
Leaderboards
Name identification
The fact that you can send a friend request to anyone that you liked playing with
Doesn't have a separate code for each game that makes the Wii number nigh useless
Not to mention all the other things the Xbox can do, such as sync with all your media on your computer and play said media during games.
Ginger9001
Smash Ace
Well let's just say we get what we paid for.
lol Thats true. 'Cuz if you think about it, the Wii having mediocre internet play yet being free and 360 having awesome internet play yet having to pay makes it all even in my opinion.
Ginger9001
Smash Ace
Aight, aight thats respectable.
I'd have to say voice chat and name identifications arent Nintendo's way because of all the Parental Control and ****. So that's never gonna happen. I wouldnt really want a bunch of ten year old douchebags screaming in my ear while I'm playing anyways. (Like Halo)
I do agree with the friend requests though. And dealing with the Wii code thing can be annoying.
PaperLink
Smash Journeyman
yeah, free online is no reason for the online to suck. it doesn't suck as much as ppl say it does, but it still isn't good.
Red Exodus
Smash Master
Ps3's online is free and it's better than Nintendo's also, I haven't heard much so I can't really compare but it must be hard to keep tabs on everything with people freeloading all the time.
slikvik
Smash Master
I would gladly pay for this
RyNo 86
Smash Journeyman
As would I. All I think they should add is as leader board and Freind invites. Voice chat would get in the way, I don't talk when I play melee anyways.
bballstar23
Smash Ace
EDIT: Sorry for the extra posts, my computer is being annoying.
bballstar23
Smash Ace
EDIT: Sorry...again.
bballstar23
Smash Ace
Yeah I agree about the voice chat. Most of the people on 360 get annoying anyway, but I don't thinking having it would hurt. I would like the basic capability of adding a friend though. I hate how parents are so quick to blame companies these days for what happens to their kids, when it's their own responsibility to look out for their children. If your son meets a creepy guy online, then you obviously did a horrible job of teaching him about strangers. My parents get scared of me being on Facebook, as if I'm going to randomly give out my information to every pervert on the internet. Nintendo is basically playing the role of the overprotective parent to get along with the overprotective parents out there, while frustrating the children who need their freedom and ability to have fun. I'm not saying Brawl's online won't be fun, but Nintendo is just ruining its potential.
Banjodorf
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I dont think it's a bad idea, ZSS affirms to be that shiekd will not be in, because her fighting style (minus the paralyzer) seems very similar to shieks in SSBM.
one problem however. If smashballs are disabled in tournaments, how will someone who mastered ZSS ever be able to shine?
I don't think I can agree with that.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Me neither.
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
Nintendo's online can only be described as one word in comparison to its competition and that word is horrible, period.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
In comparison to its competition.
bballstar23
Smash Ace
I actually agree with you Hypnotist. While I am thankful for some sort of online play in Brawl, I just wish Nintendo would have at least made their functions similar to their own competition. They could have easily generated even more revenue if they had online capabilities that are not only free, but also near or at the same level as XBOX Live and PS3 in terms of quality.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
At LEAST we can play people via the friend codes. I would punch Nintendo if it didn't have that.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Haha, "punch Nintendo"!
bballstar23
Smash Ace
Yeah, I'm glad we at least have some sort of way to fight with our friends, it's just harder to add people based on your own skill level when you exchange codes in forums such as these.