Sakurai and his own Kirby bias

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I promised myself to never ever reply to you, but you insist and continue with the same attacks over and over.
I'm not really replying to you, in fact, I'm not even interested in READING that post because I really don't want to read you.
I have just seen the list of quotes, and I just want to specify my stance about those.

I can defend each one of those quotes, but it would be useless, because you don't seem to be open to read my posts in the correct way, you seem to WANT to attack me.

I just want to say that

  1. I wasn't serious in saying "make the fans salty", that's the sentence you attacked me for. It was an overexageration made for fun, and you assumed that I was desperate and felt miserable for a spirit because of that sentence.
  2. The part you qouted about Sakurai is MY OPINION in fact I said I DISLIKE, and disliking something IS SUBJECTIVE. You are attacking MY OPINION, not something objective, and so you don't have the right to do so. I have a reason for every word I have written in that post, yes, gambling elements and such. Because when you do the classic mode and you have to bet money (virtual in-game currency but still) in order to select the higher difficulty (that's REQUIRED to beat some challenges) and you lose for an hammer RANDOMLY fell into a CPU opponent, and you have to restart from the beginning because your intensity level dropped, that's like gambling, losing and having to retry... and in the meanwhile you lose those coins. Then there were the master and crazy orders. And offcourse, you have to deal with random if you want to complete all those Kirby Air Ride challenges (in City Trial stuff happens randomly), and the blocks in that Smash 4 mode I even forgot the name of, they fall from the sky and they are random, in order to get a record you have to hope in the RNG because skills are not enough. Etc.
  3. The last quotes are taken OUTSIDE CONTEXT (just like the previous ones), they are possible case scenarios of why I think they could have excluded those spirits, and THEY ARE SPECULATION, NEITHER ME NOR YOU HAVE PROOF THAT THOSE ARE CORRECT OR WRONG, and I used those examples of Sakurai being against some changes as evidence of why it's possible that he would be against some changes to the Kirby franchise introduced by other directors. In the same case scenario I also said that it would be strange because if he was against Shimomura's games, he wouldn't have placed all those Kirby 3 spirits in the game. You are completely ignoring this observation, on purpose, just to attack me.

I'll just leave here this video for the sake of it.

EDIT: I really want to drop this, but as long as you continue making these posts where you claim that I said stuff that I never said (or I said but with a different meaning), spreading in fact misinformation about myself to the point of being defamatory (like saying that a character I like is "my waifu"), I wont stop, at the cost of risking a ban.

Ohohohohohohohoho!!

People, forgive me for this moment of childlike behavior.
And take a while to look back at your posts, they are all written in a way to provoke a reaction, they are such troll posts, and I'm not really ok with that, but apparently this is ok to the mods.
 
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Drop the victim complex, Iko MattOrr Iko MattOrr , it makes you seem unlikable. I'm addressing your points, not attacking you. You are not getting any sympathy from me when you act like a drama queen.


1. Hey, if you say so then.

2. Wagering something of value to increase the stakes is a valid design choice. In Smash 4, its very rare that you will ever run out of coins since you earn lots of them and there are very few things to spend them on. Yes, they are required to raise the difficulty level in Classic Mode, but I was swimming in coins to the point that it never became a real issue. If you lose, you still keep most of your wagered coins anyways provided that you finish the mode.
And its not even that hard. True, bull**** will happen occasionally courtesy of the CPU's stupidly good AI in Smash 4, but is not that big of an issue in Smash Ultimate.
And the mode you are referring is Trophy Rush, which is one of several ways to obtain trophies. And why do you say this is bad? Having some elements of randomness in a game isn't unhealthy and its not even a Sakurai specific trope. I would actually say that doing away with all the randomness is actually bad. So you play a mode where trophies fall from the sky at random intervals, how is this a deal breaker again? I find it silly and petty that you deride small doses of random elements, when they aren't even the entire focus of the game and can be found in other kinds of games.

A most glaring example of a gambling element that would spring to mind is the Game Corner from Pokemon. Getting coins from there for special rewards is a real grind. And a worst offender for randomness would be pokemon's % to inflict status effects, etc. which can turn around a whole match.

3. Nah, I didn't take anything out of context. But it is true, neither you or I have any proof to decide what is wrong or not. Yet, you insist on building scenarios that point out Sakurai as the party responsible for whatever bad thing you can associate with him.

Oh, and the video was interesting. I agree with his points about the UI menu in Smash 4 (which I mentioned earlier) and Mario Maker. It also goes on saying how this is a Nintendo trend, not a Sakurai specific issue, and even praises previous menus in Smash 64 and Melee for what they were.
It also doesn't invalidate what I said earlier about Ultimate's practical design even one bit. Nice video though.

Now, if you are going to reply back, don't get emotional on me, ok? Do you think you can dial down the drama just a bit? I'm asking nicely here. If I sneeze in your direction believe me when I say that I don't mean it as an attack.
 

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Yeah really, you guys need to take it to PMs at this point.

Yeah, I think it's been pretty fair to every franchise that can afford the characters. Fire Emblem and Pokemon are special cases for various reasons. If anything, I'd love to see more obscure franchises represented, but that's another topic.
And I was also sure that Meta Knight and Dedede were added to Brawl because several people (myself included) wanted them in Smash. Simple as that.
 

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Please refrain from turning arguments into personal debates. You can criticize another user's line of thought without making negative comments about them.

If you think a user is trolling, report them instead of answering to them.
Wow, can we just take a minute to talk about how awesome our mods are compared to other forums?
They are so much more laid back then let’s say mods on the overwatch forums, where they can ban you for even the slightest joke. So... thanks for not sucking smash boards forum mods. Keep it up.
 

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I'm a Kirby main through and through but Kirby also consistently underperforms in the competitive scene every game after Smash 64...I don't know why Sakurai is so afraid to make his own character good.
 

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I'm a Kirby main through and through but Kirby also consistently underperforms in the competitive scene every game after Smash 64...I don't know why Sakurai is so afraid to make his own character good.
I heavily doubt that Sakurai is trying keep certain characters in certain competitive tiers.
 

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The Kirby Bias is probably because it was sakurai's first creation. Plus he was obviously fit for survival too so of course he would make Kirby survive galleem and Dharkon. Also, Kirby is awesome.
 
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The Kirby Bias is probably because it was sakurai's first creation. Plus he was obviously fit for survival too so of course he would make Kirby survive galleem and Dharkon. Also, Kirby is awesome.
The thread is about Sakurai's bias toward his own Kirby games versus modern Kirby games, not Sakurai prioritizing Kirby over other series (unless I read that wrong)

Also, Sakurai said the reason Kirby survived Galeem was because he was the only fighter with realistic means of escaping Galeem's light beams as well as being easy to play (Palutena and Bayonetta could have also survived according to him but he decided that they weren't easy enough to play compared to Kirby).
 

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The thread is about Sakurai's bias toward his own Kirby games versus modern Kirby games, not Sakurai prioritizing Kirby over other series (unless I read that wrong)

Also, Sakurai said the reason Kirby survived Galeem was because he was the only fighter with realistic means of escaping Galeem's light beams as well as being easy to play (Palutena and Bayonetta could have also survived according to him but he decided that they weren't easy enough to play compared to Kirby).
Let's also not forget the fact that we start off Ultimate with the original 8 fighters. So realistically, it had to be one of them. (And one of them, Palutena and Bayonetta are not)

Besides, Mario is just a hop and a skip away from the start of World of Light (and is required before you can go anywhere else anyway), so people were just tinfoil hatting about Kirby for basically nothing.
 
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Okay, guess that flew over my head, my bad.

Anyway, while it’s true that Sakurai did create Kirby the character, where was it ever said that he created Meta Knight and Dedede? (plus Waddle Dee, Whispy Woods, and the rest)
 
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Okay, guess that flew over my head, my bad.

Anyway, while it’s true that Sakurai did create Kirby the character, where was it ever said that he created Meta Knight and Dedede? (plus Waddle Dee, Whispy Woods, and the rest)
I’m pretty sure he created Meta Knight and Dedede. He voices Dedede and the second Kirby team didn’t use Meta Knight for a long time until Amazing Mirror as only Sakurai titles included him.
 

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But where was this ever confirmed? He may have voiced Dedede in some games, but that doesn't mean he created him from the start (Kirby, whom he did create, was always voiced by Makiko Ohmoto). And maybe the creative force of those other games just didn't feel like using Meta Knight (he appeared in some other spinoff titles at the time too). In fact, we don't actually know who was responsible for what other characters.
 
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I wonder kind of homage do modern Kirby games pay to Smash?

Also, I don't know if it's just me but I can't help but think of Kirby and HAL Laboratory whenever I think about Smash.
 
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