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Shun Goku Satsu Rake

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Also, i'd be interested to see what you were expecting for an answer, you had to know it wasn't gonna be more than a pressure palce holder vote, so i'm confused why you try to chalk it up as more telling than that.
 

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Unless your singular opinion is gonna kill me, I'll deal with the repercussionsof that later, also there's a noteable distinction between "high lynch priority" and "prob scum in my book", things may change actively but the implication from those posts is you'd lynch me either way which i find odd and concerning.
 

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unless you meant that differently, but in the case that you did, why did you subvert your first post by saying "you're prob scum in my book" it doesn't add anything to your initial ideal of me being an high lynch priority, in fact it only allows you to slink off into the open ended unwriten section of that post where you imply there's still a possibility of my townliness in your book.

Also, with such a strong feeling, and the time to talk about it, it's odd you wouldn't just lay your groundwork today considering that if you really shot orbo, you're apparently trying to go sonic fast through the game
 

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There is something to gain as well, which is people's feelings about your push towards me before orbo's flip, because your direct implication is either that orbo's flip effects my targetability to you, or my vote does, it can't be both because you'd have to be making you'd be making your read only assuming what orbo would flip, which would be pretty backwards to me
 

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Also, i'd be interested to see what you were expecting for an answer, you had to know it wasn't gonna be more than a pressure palce holder vote, so i'm confused why you try to chalk it up as more telling than that.
That was exactly the answer I was expecting, and exactly what would have made me concerned with you.

I guess to be fair if I'm going to hold that information then I should at least push off in a different direction. Lets go back a bit to my shot. Why do you think I shot Orbo?
 

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In any case this is becoming boring and just talking to myself, if orbo flips scum i want people to remember that it only roves glyph's role and not neccessarily his alignment (although if orbo were scum, i doubt two member's of a scum team would resolve to daykill the other unless for the specific situation of setting up the daykiller for a late game run
 

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That was exactly the answer I was expecting, and exactly what would have made me concerned with you.

I guess to be fair if I'm going to hold that information then I should at least push off in a different direction. Lets go back a bit to my shot. Why do you think I shot Orbo?
until orbo's flip is actually posted i'm working under the assumption it's for reactions. although if that is the case i'd be interested to hear afterword what you were expecting.

If you did shoot orbo, then i really have no idea why, gut maybe or just a feel from his posts, i haven't seeen anything that made me think orbo was scum as of yet, if anything I'd question why you shot a slot that would eventually stat telling and posting over a dead slot like kantrip or maven. It could just be random as weel, but it's overly null unless you just say you felt like doing it in which case I'd hold that in a different regard
 

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In any case this is becoming boring and just talking to myself, if orbo flips scum i want people to remember that it only roves glyph's role and not neccessarily his alignment (although if orbo were scum, i doubt two member's of a scum team would resolve to daykill the other unless for the specific situation of setting up the daykiller for a late game run
I remember a scenario where J did this as scum against someone. He lost in lylo because there were two confirmed town people and him left. It's really not worth it to do this because running into that scenario is far too easy. I probably would put Glyph into my town reads if Orbo flipped scum.
 

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That was exactly the answer I was expecting, and exactly what would have made me concerned with you.

I guess to be fair if I'm going to hold that information then I should at least push off in a different direction. Lets go back a bit to my shot. Why do you think I shot Orbo?
So then why ask the question ?It seems redundant as there was no way you could expect anything else, therefore making the entirety of your posts saying you want to lynch me redundant because you were already expecting that exact answre, with the exact same result of wanting to place me as a high lynch priority, if anything I'm wondering why you bothered asking a question you already knew the answer to, and had prepared for by saying it's exactly what would make me concerning to you because that's just covering your ass on the backburner of "well i got the exact answer that would worry me, so I don't have to elaborate on any sort of response that would've lead to a different conclusion"
 

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Would like the Nswer to why me of all slots, banking on this being bull**** but it shouldnt be handwaged
 

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Gimme why you shot me first, especially as you were indicating shots elsewhere
Rake is town prolly.i like kary
Not important right now, what's done is done. Unless you have a reason town shouldn't have those reads then please humor me.
 

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Meh, still dont like this approach
Rake kary town, dislike bardull. You need to explain yourself.
Gheb is meh
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Anyone who says I'm not town is 100% scum, lynch them I already investigated it they're guilty

reading the game now
 

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You guys hate rvs? Yeah I do too. Lets not **** with it this game.

I'm dayvig. I only get one shot, but instead of crossing my fingers and hoping I hit scum I'm going to wait 72 hours and shoot whoever is the least active. Maybe 48, depends on how things are going.

@Kantrip, am I bluffing?

@ Fire Emblemier Fire Emblemier , does it bother you to have a username I'd give a 6.5 out of 10?

@ DtJ S2n DtJ S2n , can we be friends this game I never get to buddy anyone cool
Yeah obviously you're bluffing, you didn't even shoot me and I haven't even posted yet. So much for least active, scrub.
 

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Wondering where S2n's head is at regarding recent input.
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You're high priority lynch target tomorrow. I'll explain once that time rolls around.
why delay and why is he the lynch target for toMorrow and not today? We have enough time to push a Rake wagon I don't see why that couldn't happen. 72 whole hours right? Who's the lynch for today Glyph.
I probably would put Glyph into my town reads if Orbo flipped scum.
And if Orbo flips town what would you be thinking? You think scum with a daykill is a possibility?
you're really ****ing bad at this LOL
****
God this whole thing sucks, shouldnt have flown off the handle like this over gheb tossing you an entirely reasonable question
orbo I can't read what does this mean for each player's motivations to you.

barely two pages into the game, bardull wants firm stances from gheb. pardon? How can you commit to something when nothing has happened yet?

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You are supposed to joke around and do whatever in RVS; at least you are posting. The whole reason RVS exists is because there isn't any information available for the town to work with. Expecting actual commitment in RVS is a joke.
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When did RVS end if not on the 5th post of the game? The only person who was really playing RVS past Glyph's claim was you and Glyph himself. Gheb can claim his Rake push was RVS but he gained interactions from Bardull and myself from it and pushed those. It's selling himself short for Gheb to claim everything up to that point was RVS.

Kary said:
#2 calling attention to your own alignment, without prompting, and phrasing it in a way that seems unnatural? kinda fishy.
Hmm. Maybe it's a reach but I can see it as Bardull pushing a Glyph vs Joey situation. Inflating the importance of Glyph and Joey's reaction. He more or less led FireEmblemner? FiE into taking a side on it and was upset with Gheb for not sticking his finger in it. If you want to add two kinda fishies together and make a whole fish, here it is. I'm not feeling this right now but keep a note.

joey's got an agenda against bardull but i've only skimmed his posts so i can't really lay my foot on that
This is kinda quoted out of context so this is unfair of me but did you ever figure this out enough to put your foot on it?
 

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I think the way Joey has been treating Glyph's claim is weird. He hasn't been entertaining the potential town intent in stirring up content. I personally don't mind what Glyph did but I don't buy it for a second. Dayvig is like the boy who cried wolf role. Even when someone rolls it, no one should believe it until they see the body.

I agree with Kary's assessment of Bardull's entrance into the game. It read to me as Bardull trying too hard to look like he was progressing the game and being helpful.

I haven't had a problem with Gheb's input so far.

Rake is playing janky as ****. So basically exactly what I expect.

FireEmblemDude shouldn't be townreading me based on probability. Since there are more town than scum and he has no opinion of me, I'm statistically more likely to be town? No. Null reads are okay, especially on someone who literally hasn't posted.
 

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Like he isn't doing anything yet. His post a couple posts up is really big but it's also really empty.
 

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So I guess I'm not the only thinking something's off about Joey after all. His thought process seems downright strange to me. Though he actually argues quite solidly in his #187 I'm not sure if I can give him any pro-town credit for it. Bardull's play is so bad that making solid points against it is way too easy. Can't blame Joey for it but can't hold it in his favor either. I think he's wrong though, I'm just not sure if he draws the wrong conclusions deliberately or because he legitimately believes Bardull to be scum.

I also think S2 may not be the worst lynch toDay.

:059:
 

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why delay and why is he the lynch target for toMorrow and not today? We have enough time to push a Rake wagon I don't see why that couldn't happen. 72 whole hours right? Who's the lynch for today Glyph.

And if Orbo flips town what would you be thinking? You think scum with a daykill is a possibility?

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orbo I can't read what does this mean for each player's motivations to you.


When did RVS end if not on the 5th post of the game? The only person who was really playing RVS past Glyph's claim was you and Glyph himself. Gheb can claim his Rake push was RVS but he gained interactions from Bardull and myself from it and pushed those. It's selling himself short for Gheb to claim everything up to that point was RVS.


Hmm. Maybe it's a reach but I can see it as Bardull pushing a Glyph vs Joey situation. Inflating the importance of Glyph and Joey's reaction. He more or less led FireEmblemner? FiE into taking a side on it and was upset with Gheb for not sticking his finger in it. If you want to add two kinda fishies together and make a whole fish, here it is. I'm not feeling this right now but keep a note.


This is kinda quoted out of context so this is unfair of me but did you ever figure this out enough to put your foot on it?
let me re-read joey once more but yeah, feels more like opportunistic joey then what i'd expect. I'll elaborate once i've fixed my car which might take all damn day in the -30. woohoo
 

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Also orbo's not dead which means Glyph was non surprisingly pulling some bull****e. I expect nothing less than paragraphs of content explaining what he got from this and why
 

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Just kidding here's the real post I've been working on. Fair warning I didn't proofread this at all since I've gotta get ready for work so if something doesn't read right or I accidentally admit a horrible personal secret try not to judge me too harshly.

First things first, not a dayvig. Probably. At least if I am I'm certainly not shooting today. Lemme go over the game from the start with what we've learned so far.

Right away getting the cold shoulder (or, SOLD coulder?) from S2 was really not at all what I expected in a Upick mafia, especially so early into the game. Could chalk that one up to my claim being (for some of you guys) really transparent, but then again I don't really know. I know I'm a bit of a hypocrite for saying this since I'm about to call people out for this, but I don't like Sold so far but its just kind of a gut thing (though I still want to be his friend).

Speaking of, I guess I should clear up why I claimed what I did. Biggest reasons are:
-I'm not sure I can cite this reason because its an ongoing game but sometimes people are REALLY inactive at the start of games
-It would generate a butt ton of content for us to look at (and it did) instead of 'I'M VOTING THIS GUY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT NOW ARE YOU SCUM???'
-Setting a deadline like that actually gives us some insight into potential mafia slots as well. I won't pretend like this is rock solid damning evidence but just bear with me. I'm going to touch more on this later.

Next up to bat is Joey, whom I've seen catch a lot of heat for his responses to things thus far. I personally have him as a town lead though, reasoning being that I don't see scumJoey sticking his neck out so hard, especially in the first page of the game. My claim was weird, but hardly something a lynch was going to be swung off of and I think Joey would be aware of that, meaning he was pressuring it from a genuine scumread on myself. I feel this is further supported by his dedication to not liking my slot even presently as well as his similar stance on Bardull's play. Doesn't make it RIGHT, but does make me want him alive. In brief, Scumjoey's not dumb enough to be trying to lynch every person who does something kind of wrong immediately and unwaveringly.

Kary's VT claim is WEIRD but for now I am going to leave it at just that. More important stuff to worry about.

Genuinely like Fireemblemnier. I'm ass terrible at reading new people but I dunno I don't have any issues with him.

OK nice another hot topic, BARDULL. Bardull I'm kind of on the fence for. Trying hard certainly isn't something I want to discourage, but he's coming in like its lylo and we're 24 hours from deadline trying to make things happen. He's part of the shortsighted 'man that Glyph guy sure is playing anti-town' group that I'm really disappointed in (come on guys what do you think that was for ****s and giggles) but thats hardly any reason to damn him at the moment.

Orbo. The man with a bullet in his back. Why oh why did I pretend to shoot him?

Reminder that i might not get **** all out for a couple days. Inprocessing overseas is a *****
This post. Remember when I was talking about how setting a deadline for my shot gave us some insight on scum? Let me delve into that with a little more detail.

Mafia have one distinct advantage over town, being of course that they have a network of private communication. Whether or not you believed my dayvig claim, there is ZERO reason to gamble on being the inactive shot if you're scum especially when you've got friends to poke you and just get you into the thread.

So, based off that assumption there were two things I was watching for. One, people who didn't post at all were probably not mafia. And two, anyone who came in for the bare minimum was hella suspicious. Orbo happened to fit the second bill quite nicely. His following play is some good questions but a whole lot of nothing for anyone to work with, which still falls very much in line with the 'bare minimum'. In fact up until I pry reads out of him at gunpoint do we actually get anything that actually could be called a stance from him. Its possible that he was just busy with his inprocessing, but not busy enough to stop him from making enough posts to be considered 'active' with no content in them? BLEGH.

[in response to being shot]Why doe
Gimme why you shot me first, especially as you were indicating shots elsewhere
Rake is town prolly.i like kary
Adding fuel to the fire. Don't like that he refused to share reads until after I told him why he was shot, and I really feel like his initial reaction's calmness doesn't like up with how aggressive the second post reads.



Ok but that's enough of that. Lets talk about another person I think is scummy. Brace yourselves for the shock of the century oh wait its Rake that guy people always think is scum apparently.

BUT WHY GLYPH.

Ok first off, sorry for putting this off but I really wanted to commit to the 'i shot orbo' but and wanted that to be as convincing as possible. Thank you RR for not posting a vote count in the mean time. But down to business, my issues stem literally from a single vote.

vote maven.
This was interesting enough to sidetrack me from the fun I was planing to have with the Orbo stuff even. Lets look at this vote from a town perspective. Is this the time to be pressuring inactives? No, there's not only a ton of content floating around in the thread but its also early enough in the day that they might show up anyway. Do we gain anything from this vote, or potential wagon? We might give Maven a heart attack, but since there's no reason to suspect he's either scum or town yet that seems counter productive. Look at his play from a scum perspective though and I feel his actions make a lot more sense. His early play reads very similarly to Orbo's, a lot of saying things that are mafia related but boil down to questions for other people to answer and restating things that have happened. No hard stances, lots of kind of maybe stances towards things that are easy to change out, junk like that.

Also, random though

anyone else feel tvt with bard and gheb on the onset or is it just me
If Rake flips scum I'd bet money that one of the two of these two are scum with him.



Ok so that's a decent bit of stuff to work with, let me boil it down into something a little more succinct.

Town - Joey, Fireemblemnier, Bardull (lean)
Scum - Orbo, Rake, Sold (lean)
Intentionally not discussed - Gheb, Kary, other people who haven't done stuff
 

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Oh and vote: Orbo that's kind of an important thing to have too
 
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