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[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Didn't expect you to be its biggest fan

 

[Dooms]

Unvote

Vote: Bardull

Glyph town. I need to re-read Rake and Orbo, as they are both null to me.

And if Orbo flips town what would you be thinking? You think scum with a daykill is a possibility?

Yes. I 100% think Scum with a day kill is a possibility.

I think the way Joey has been treating Glyph's claim is weird. He hasn't been entertaining the potential town intent in stirring up content. I personally don't mind what Glyph did but I don't buy it for a second. Dayvig is like the boy who cried wolf role. Even when someone rolls it, no one should believe it until they see the body.

Town intent in stirring up content by saying he was going to use his Dayvig on someone within 72 hours? If he actually had a gun, this would not be townie in the slightest lmao. Especially after he actually shot Orbo.

Anything that doesn't involve him actually having a gun falls under the lying category, which was 100% null to me until he actually did something with his fake-claim.

So I guess I'm not the only thinking something's off about Joey after all. His thought process seems downright strange to me. Though he actually argues quite solidly in his #187 I'm not sure if I can give him any pro-town credit for it. Bardull's play is so bad that making solid points against it is way too easy. Can't blame Joey for it but can't hold it in his favor either. I think he's wrong though, I'm just not sure if he draws the wrong conclusions deliberately or because he legitimately believes Bardull to be scum.

K :x

 

[Kantrip]

Alright Joey, I see where you're coming from. My problem was the negative spin you gave his actions even though the potential was obviously there for him to be
1. Lying; and
2. Intending to get the game moving in doing so.

You were stating the obvious without going into intent at all. You basically said "he either has the role or he doesn't" but you didn't go into the implications of either option further than saying "if he has the role he shouldn't have shot so early so he's scum." Your analysis completely disregarded the potential town avenues. I'm glad you see it now, but I'm of the opinion that everyone should have seen right through what he was doing BEFORE he made that big post.

I see where Glyph is coming from on Rake but I'm not sure if I agree with the end result scumread. Maybe. I would lynch him if that's the way the wind blew.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Alright Joey, I see where you're coming from. My problem was the negative spin you gave his actions even though the potential was obviously there for him to be
1. Lying; and
2. Intending to get the game moving in doing so.

You were stating the obvious without going into intent at all. You basically said "he either has the role or he doesn't" but you didn't go into the implications of either option further than saying "if he has the role he shouldn't have shot so early so he's scum." Your analysis completely disregarded the potential town avenues. I'm glad you see it now, but I'm of the opinion that everyone should have seen right through what he was doing BEFORE he made that big post.

I see where Glyph is coming from on Rake but I'm not sure if I agree with the end result scumread. Maybe. I would lynch him if that's the way the wind blew.

I'm on mobile so I can't really isolate the part I want, but I need more from you on that last bit. It sounds like you agree and even are not opposed to the lynch, but still have reservations on it right? Where are the reservations coming from? What DID you like in his play, stuff like that

 

[Dooms]

Alright Joey, I see where you're coming from. My problem was the negative spin you gave his actions even though the potential was obviously there for him to be
1. Lying; and
2. Intending to get the game moving in doing so.

You were stating the obvious without going into intent at all. You basically said "he either has the role or he doesn't" but you didn't go into the implications of either option further than saying "if he has the role he shouldn't have shot so early so he's scum." Your analysis completely disregarded the potential town avenues. I'm glad you see it now, but I'm of the opinion that everyone should have seen right through what he was doing BEFORE he made that big post.

I had no reason to discuss the town and scum perspectives of him lying because if he were lying, it'd be null. I could argue the scum and town perspectives of lying, but that wouldn't change the fact that it was 100% null lmao.

If he were to actually shoot Orbo or another slot so early into the game, that would not be null, nor would that be townie. There would be no reason for town Glyph to shoot Orbo this early aside from being a total moron (which would apply to being scum just as much as it would apply to being town). I don't see a town perspective in this outside of him being a moron, and I view that as a null thing since scum can be morons too lmao.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I disagree with just about everything in Glyph's big post.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm on mobile so I can't really isolate the part I want, but I need more from you on that last bit. It sounds like you agree and even are not opposed to the lynch, but still have reservations on it right? Where are the reservations coming from? What DID you like in his play, stuff like that

His oddball questions that often don't solve anything and his stupid votes on people like maven when actual progress is being made in the thread are weird but not out of place for Rake. I'm not seeing scum intent behind those things but I don't think there's anything wrong with your scumread on him.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Gotcha, sounds good

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Be mobile privates I ain't taking **** from any of you in this mafia game!

1. Maven89 - #HBC | Rake, (1)
2. Orboknown - #HBC | Kary, DtJ Glyphmoney, (2)
3. DtJ Glyphmoney -
4. DTJ S2n
5. FireEmblemnier
6. #HBC | Joey
7. #HBC | Kary
8. #HBC | Bardull - #HBC | Joey, (1)
9. Rake
10. Gheb -
11. Kantrip

Not voting: Maven89, Orboknown, FireEmblemnier, Gheb_01, Potassium, DTJ S2n,

Deadline December 7th, 11:59 PM CST.[/quote]

 

[Orboknown]

Will readafter chow

 

[BarDulL]

Will be posting tonight, currently working on a paper due in about 2 hours.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ Maven89

Dude, you're really ought to post something worthwhile soon because we ain't got too much time left. Would like to hear your thoughts on Kantrip, Orbo, Rake and myself.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@ DtJ Glyphmoney your points against Orbo seem super weak and I don't know why he's worth your vote over Rake or anyone else.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

@ DtJ Glyphmoney your points against Orbo seem super weak and I don't know why he's worth your vote over Rake or anyone else.

Ok, where should my vote be atm then?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I also think S2 may not be the worst lynch toDay.

better than a maven lynch? why?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ok, where should my vote be atm then?

well it's your vote, but to my mind, Rake's vote on maven and his reaction to your push is more suspect than Orbo posting about being busy just after your dayvig claim (which could very easily be a coincidence).

If I had a particularly good place to be putting votes, I'd be doing it already.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Oh wait nevermind I have two newbies neither of whom are pulling their weight, might as well lynch one of them toDay and get it over and done with.

@ Fire Emblemier @ Maven89 which of you deserves to die toDay?

 

[Kantrip]

Glyph is your scumread on Orbo really because he posted that he wouldn't be able to post much after you claimed dayvig?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Oh wait nevermind I have two newbies neither of whom are pulling their weight, might as well lynch one of them toDay and get it over and done with.

@ Fire Emblemier @ Maven89 which of you deserves to die toDay?

Not me sorry was a little busy today, but I should be fine the rest of the weekend

Gheb mentioned how he disagreed with everything Glyph said, and I would like to hear more of his opinion on it in all honesty.

I'm liking Potassium's posts so far in the game glad he's participating

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Vote Maven

As I stated a while back Maven's way of playing is quite suspicious. Trying to reply for the bare minimum and hasn't really contributed much besides accuse those suspicious of him as being scum.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Glyph is your scumread on Orbo really because he posted that he wouldn't be able to post much after you claimed dayvig?

Nope, its the way he's played since then. He's been here and reading, but has produced a big ol' goose egg as far as anything of substance goes.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

If I had a particularly good place to be putting votes, I'd be doing it already.

2. Orboknown - #HBC | Kary, DtJ Glyphmoney, (2)

You heard it here first folks

 

[Orboknown]

He did already shoot Orbo, though. So we just have to wait for flip to see if he's bluffing or not

whaddya think of glyph now that its been shown he was bluffing?

Kary's VT claim is WEIRD but for now I am going to leave it at just that. More important stuff to worry about.

This post. Remember when I was talking about how setting a deadline for my shot gave us some insight on scum? Let me delve into that with a little more detail.

Mafia have one distinct advantage over town, being of course that they have a network of private communication. Whether or not you believed my dayvig claim, there is ZERO reason to gamble on being the inactive shot if you're scum especially when you've got friends to poke you and just get you into the thread.

So, based off that assumption there were two things I was watching for. One, people who didn't post at all were probably not mafia. And two, anyone who came in for the bare minimum was hella suspicious. Orbo happened to fit the second bill quite nicely. His following play is some good questions but a whole lot of nothing for anyone to work with, which still falls very much in line with the 'bare minimum'. In fact up until I pry reads out of him at gunpoint do we actually get anything that actually could be called a stance from him. Its possible that he was just busy with his inprocessing, but not busy enough to stop him from making enough posts to be considered 'active' with no content in them? BLEGH.
Adding fuel to the fire. Don't like that he refused to share reads until after I told him why he was shot, and I really feel like his initial reaction's calmness doesn't like up with how aggressive the second post reads.

Karys vt claim was a joke
You realize i tell thread if I'm gonna be limited all the time right? Had nothing to do with your post

My free time is mostly americas late nights. I post how i play, especially early game it'll be emptier. Fwiw i gave you what i had off the top of my head what i felt more confident in, then expanded when you wanted more

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

The point was never that you weren't posting enough. It was WHAT the posts were, or more accurately what they weren't.

 

[Orboknown]

Minus the point you tried to raise about me claiming i wouldnt be posting in response to your shot claim?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

whaddya think of glyph now that its been shown he was bluffing?

Karys vt claim was a joke
You realize i tell thread if I'm gonna be limited all the time right? Had nothing to do with your post

My free time is mostly americas late nights. I post how i play, especially early game it'll be emptier. Fwiw i gave you what i had off the top of my head what i felt more confident in, then expanded when you wanted more

With the bluff I would say he became Null in my eyes. If he were to actually shoot you I'd say he is Town. Anyways, though it does leave mystery to what his role actually is though, but I don't think that will matter until a mass claimclaim happens.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

You heard it here first folks

you know that's an RVS vote. If you think there's a reason I should move it or remove it, you let me know. Otherwise don't try and pretend it's something it's not, it does you no credit.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

whaddya think of glyph now that its been shown he was bluffing?

Karys vt claim was a joke

my VT claim is NOT a joke

 

[Orboknown]

Well
Shiet. Nevermind then

 

[DtJ S2n]

Oh wait nevermind I have two newbies neither of whom are pulling their weight, might as well lynch one of them toDay and get it over and done with.

@ Fire Emblemier @ Maven89 which of you deserves to die toDay?

Why is Rake voting Maven suspect but you calling for a Maven lynch not?

 

[DtJ S2n]

@ DtJ Glyphmoney . You've been getting my cold shoulder all game because I don't like you. I don't like the dayvig gambit in the first place. I don't like that you fake-pulled the trigger extremely early after the claim, this really sullied the credibility of it. I don't like that after fake-pulling the trigger, you didn't wait for a response. I also can't chalk any of that up as scummy, just poor planning. Your use of the gambit does line up with your reasoning of "pushing activity" so that's cool I like that. I don't like you declaring Rake "a high priority lynch target" for toMorrow. Were you playing under the idea that your DayKill would end the dayphase?

 

[DtJ S2n]

After having reread the game, I'll re-state(?) that I definitely do feel that Bardull led FireE early in the game and put words in his mouth and that stands out to me more than anything in this game as scummy. Also it really is amusing how often he uses phrases like "for the benefit of town" "the town intent" and such but I don't know how much weight to put on that. Very interested in what he has to say tonight.

vote Bardull

 

[Kantrip]

hey stew what do you think of rake

 

[DtJ S2n]

I think that whenever I read one of his posts, words go through one ear and out the other.

 

[DtJ S2n]

more regarding that: He's pushing Maven as an inactive lynch. Unsure where he stands on Glyph. He's marked Bardull as townish under the premise of having played too flustered to be scum. and he's marked Joey as too opportunistic to be scum in this scenario. He's said Gheb is more "inquiring" gheb than "phising" gheb. So he's getting a lot of townvibes on some controversial folks.

I'd like to hear more from him regarding Glyph and his thoughts on Glyph's alignment. Only person he's really had conflict with and he's mostly been defending himself.

Overall it worries me that he hasn't gotten any scumvibes from anybody, especially with how this game has been. You've defended him w/ meta, is this normal for him?

 

[Maven89]

This begins with some random parts I wanted to post, the actual content after the quotes

People are overreacting to my demeanor and need to focus on the logic presented in what I'm saying.

Nah you can tell quite a bit from someone's demeanor

but to answer your question, i'd rather vote maven and create a pressure wagon then pursue reading into jeoy's bardull case mostly because i think joey's got an agenda against bardull but i've only skimmed his posts so i can't really lay my foot on that

This set off alarms. You'd rather vote me as an inactive then try to scum hunt?

why do you need to read if you did that thoe.

Hella suspicious meter goes up a notch

I don't know if this is supposed to be a joke but it's not written like one, and I cannot imagine you actually believing what I said

Glyph I'm having a slight town read/null, can't see how what he did benefits scum unless he was hoping for a day vig counter claim, which is unlikely since if he was believed he'd just be day vig'd. But I'm wary of any slot that opens up with a false claim meant to manipulate

I like Gheb's posts, and have him a town read

Bardull I do not like, I feel he came on way too strong over nothing.

Joey I just have as null, I didn't read him either way

FireEmblem, however, does stick out to me. To answer Kary's question, I've played with FE before, and in that game he was very active, asking questions, throwing out reads and contributing. This game, he seemed to completly flip, and is ignoring everything going on. The only reads he's had was when Gheb asked him to read Joey/Bardull, where he was non-commital, and then posting again, ignoring everything that happened, to try and switch the conversation to two inactive slots. And even though I've seen him use the term null, he refereed to Potassium as town, when he's never played a game with the game and he had never posted. Maybe a reach, but that looks like a slip.

I really like Kary's slot in this game, Kary/Gheb are my two strongest town reads

I have FireEmblem as scum, Bardull/Rake as maybe scum.

Vote: FireEmblem

sorry for the inactivity world of warcraft sucked me in again

 

[Maven89]

oh **** i missed a page

 

[Maven89]

Alright nothing much really changes, I keep my feel on FE, I 100% feel he is purposefully trying to slide under the radar and I'm confused how no one picked this up, or how Glyph is town reading him.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

better than a maven lynch? why?

Dunno, I never mentioned having a problem with lynching Maven up until now. Some of the stuff he posted in #276 has its merits though and I actually think he's not that good a lynch. Incidentally, I like what Stu has posted in #270-272 as well and am starting to think that I'm being too lenient on Bardull, misreading his scumminess as poor play. Who knows.

I really ask myself why this game feels so weird to me. Joey hasn't started to make a lot more sense to me and I see strange points being made by a number of players. But in the end I can't get around the conclusion that Bardull is the best lynch toDay. I can easily see him being scum trying to play the tryhard townie-card but ultimately taking it too far. His flip also can also give us information on Joey whom I just don't know what to make of. I think Bardull generally has some decent early-game connections to look into after his flip. Don't see a very compelling argument on why it's better to not lynch him.

Vote Bardull

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb mentioned how he disagreed with everything Glyph said, and I would like to hear more of his opinion on it in all honesty.

It's just hella weird and I ask myself if he actually believes some of these reads himself tbqh. It's remarkable how much importance he's placing in his fake shots and how he draws his reads on Orbo and Rake off of them. If you look at the post he quotes to incriminate them, they're basically just one liners with little worthwhile content. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about these quotes yet Glyph seems to think they are hugely important and expose Orbo and Rake as scum. So, according to Glyph, the reason why Orbo and Rake are supposedly scummy is because they didn't bother reacting to Glyph's fake shot the way he was hoping them to - he doesn't say it that way but that's what his points essentially come down to. That's mighty strange because it's a well established and accepted policy in dGames to not speculate about whether shots are fake or not and how it relates to that player's alignment. Everybody with his fair share of common sense - and Glyph is certainly among those people - can tell that speculation over these things can sidetrack town pretty badly from their actual goal, which is finding scum.

Which makes it all the more confusing why Glyph would exclude the possibility of scumJoey ... just because he's been attacking Glyph over his claim? This whole play of Glyph's toDay is frankly a lot less productive than I've given him credit for because it's entirely based on his claim and drawing conclusions that look more like he's focused on justifying that claim and put it into the center of attention than actually finding scum.