Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Aggressive Mediation]

You've gauged me.

Unvote

I'll look over things and talk to Laundry, and get back @ this game.

Man and I was doing so good too.

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney (1) Dabuz
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name ()
7. Inferno ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz (1) TAWNN
10. J (2) S-Tier, Zapp
11. Zapp Brannigan ()
12. S-Tier (3) J, AM, Glyph
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - GLG, Swiss, Inferno

With 10 playing, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is set for April 25th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[Swiss]

You're all going to hate me..

/replace out

afk from dgames for a fortnight or so, nothing major

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You're all going to hate me..

/replace out

afk from dgames for a fortnight or so, nothing major

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Wow you boners are going to make ME be the one who actually posts stuff huh.

Fine then. I still think S-tier is the way to go, like beyond a doubt. I don't care how well you claim to be able to read someone, part of mafia is being able to back up your **** with actual cases. The simple fact that he resorted to a gambit to manipulate town is telling enough as is. And not only that, his posts make it painfully clear that he intended to ride out this gambit as long as possible (he reminds us a number of times that 'this is not a gambit').

Swiss's slot needs to die before the end of the game. Here is where I would link to his catch up posts where he just coincidentally calls people who are already flipped town/mafia correctly, and then acts as though he had no idea going into it. Swiss also strikes me as the kind of person to watch his scumteam crumble the first two days and then just say '**** it, I don't want this **** on my reputation'.

Unless you guys want to actually start playing again, lets get this **** going.

 

[S-Tier]

Glyph here's the thing, I have been backing up my read on J. I'm not sure if you have been reading them. I feel that if you really looked into them you would come to the same conclusion that Zapp and I have.

As for the gambit thing that is a null tell regarding my alignment if not a town tell as it's something I do often. And have yet to do as scum. This isn't self meta to show I'm town, this is explaining why it's a null tell and a point that does not validate a vote.

Swiss slot has probably been investigated by now. If anything we can look at his and glg's slots after dabuz and J have been lynched if the game happens to still be going.

It's very silly that everyone but Zapp and I are either not talking, talking about me, or not voting J. It's silly that you're talking about having to eventually get rid of Swiss' slot as if the game is going to continue. We already have the last two scum. I really don't know what you guys are waiting for.

 

[S-Tier]

Swiss also strikes me as the kind of person to watch his scumteam crumble the first two days and then just say '**** it, I don't want this **** on my reputation'.

...what just

what

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You absolutely have, up until the point where it looked like the J lynch might not go through. Then suddenly, rather than actually use reason and logic to persuade town, you opted to lie your *** off to the point of stating clearly 'this is not a gambit'. On multiple occasions. Getting away with scummy things in the past does NOT set a precedence for letting it slide in the present.

 

[S-Tier]

Why are you doing this to me Glyph why do you have to be town? Like what is going on here

Just vote J lol

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Absolutely not. Especially not with that self-meta you're throwing around like its something that should be persuasive.

 

[S-Tier]

It's showing how me gambiting is not a scum tell. It's not something that should clear me. It's just something you can't use as a scumtell.

I've done so in GS3 to get Gorf lynched. (cop-like role thing)
I've done so in Superheros to get X1 lynched. (day cop)
I've done so in Time Travelers to get a reaction from Ranmaru. (Future cop thing)
I've done so in Shining Force to prevent Dietz from being lynched. (Lie detector)

I've yet do so such a thing as scum. Saying that it is a scum tell is like saying that you being inactive for all of D1 is a scumtell. It's simply part of our play.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That's great! But again, just because you've gotten away with something in the past doesn't make it excusable NOW.

So tell me, what was your goal this time? Reaction or lynch?

 

[S-Tier]

So we should lynch you for not participating in D1 even though we know it's a null tell rather than a scum tell for you because it's how you play?

And my reason here was purely for lynch. Then tomorrow I would have been in the perfect position getting to decide who the final lynch should be. I would have the credibility from J flipping scum and then all I would have to do was make a dream consisting of two obv townies and 1 of dabuz, glg, Swiss. Whichever one I felt was scum. I do these things because I value my opinion more than anyone elses and want to lynch who I want to lynch. Getting J lynched today would have given me the control of tomorrows lynch both.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That's the dirtiest logic I've ever seen. Inactivity isn't a scum tell inherently, you need meta to give it credence. On the other hand, faking a PR in order to push a lynch for what seems to be little more than your slot failing to produce a persuasive enough case earlier is COMPLETELY scummy within itself. I don't care if you've faked a PR and been town in every other game you've been in, it literally cannot excuse that.

Lets talk more about the willingness to push a lynch on false grounds. You're not new to this game. I don't care how well you know some one, you absolutely cannot EVER be 100% on anything in a mafia game unless the mod has confirmed it. You can be pretty damn sure, but that's it. And yet, you don't push for information to help support your decision. No, apparently that's not the correct line of thought. You took the decision out of the majority's hands and made it yourself.

Not only that, but you had a plan set in place to KEEP that control out of town's hands.

I don't care if you think the whole playerlist is ********, that's not town play.

 

[S-Tier]

Logic is the same. Prod dodging an entire day phase is inherently scummy. Was why you were lynched in KSSU.

Doesn't matter if it's town play. All that matters is I'm town. This game isn't about teaching me a lesson, it's about winning.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Gheb replaces Swiss, effective immediately.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, I'll replace Swiss but I didn't read anything yet and will probably not read a lot either.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

OK, I just got my role PM ... somebody tell me what happened and who's the play toDay.

 

[zapp brannigan]

That's the dirtiest logic I've ever seen. Inactivity isn't a scum tell inherently, you need meta to give it credence. On the other hand, faking a PR in order to push a lynch for what seems to be little more than your slot failing to produce a persuasive enough case earlier is COMPLETELY scummy within itself. I don't care if you've faked a PR and been town in every other game you've been in, it literally cannot excuse that.

Lets talk more about the willingness to push a lynch on false grounds. You're not new to this game. I don't care how well you know some one, you absolutely cannot EVER be 100% on anything in a mafia game unless the mod has confirmed it. You can be pretty damn sure, but that's it. And yet, you don't push for information to help support your decision. No, apparently that's not the correct line of thought. You took the decision out of the majority's hands and made it yourself.

Not only that, but you had a plan set in place to KEEP that control out of town's hands.

I don't care if you think the whole playerlist is ********, that's not town play.

So let me get this straight. We've killed two scumbags in a row and we're pretty sure we're looking for either a single mafia or some sort of indy, both who must be pretty desperate for survival at this stage. And then there was this pretty little wagon on a guy called Dabuz, who was pushed to claim, and did anything but convince everyone he was scum. But then some crazy nutjob fakes a claim in order to push someone else completely. And your plan is that we lynch this nut job because he must be the last remaining scumbo trying to survive and outlast his way to endgame?

Try harder, please.

 

[zapp brannigan]

OK, I just got my role PM ... somebody tell me what happened and who's the play toDay.

J is the play. Dabuz is the back up play.

@AM: If you still think S-Tier is a lyncher, why don't we just lynch Dabuz scum instead? Still think J is scum though, I'd like to get responses from him but I dunno if he'll be back before deadline due to V/LA.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Oh yeah and I'll probably won't be back on before deadline, unless it's checking to make sure a lynch goes through, but Ran will hopefully be here to do that.

 

[Dabuz]

Yeah, I'll replace Swiss but I didn't read anything yet and will probably not read a lot either.

OK, I just got my role PM ... somebody tell me what happened and who's the play toDay.

D1: Spidey flips Scum
N1: Red Ryu, town vig dies
D2: Soup flips Scum

This Day isn't a terribly long read, you can skip past the part where I start with the poetry.

Play is either S-Tier, J, or myself.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Play is either S-Tier, J, or myself.

The rest is clear?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Zapp, I'll get to your 1831 on the condition that you answer to this: In all of your championing of S-Tier as a player who cannot be on a scum team with Soup and Spidey, did you ever consider the same of J? J was one of the first to really point out something with Soup and he also helped me swing the Spidey lynch. If that's an elaborate bus, please tell me how S-Tier swinging the Soup lynch and calling Spidey town in the process is not.

For the record, I never really questioned Zen's alignment when he pulled that dreamer ****. I just questioned the role itself--it was dumb, and it was going to herd the sheep in a way I really disliked. What I dislike was the fact that he did it to swing the lynch again. This isn't the first time he's done this **** either. He tried to get Soup lynched over Spidey D1 while, as I noted above, calling Spidey town in the process, and then tried to get dabuz lynched over Soup by saying he put a trap on Soup and that he can't do anything.

So, Zapp, how is that better than what J did? How is that more protown that anything J's done? J's had minor instances of bad play but he's backed it up with rational thought and, y'know, actually lynching the scumteam. S-Tier put on a show but it took practically yanking his teeth to actually get him to join us on the scum lynches.

So, yes, I want S-Tier dead. When push came to shove, he wouldn't lynch a scum player. That, to me, is ****ing grody.

vote: S-Tier

**** your **** and have 1000 megamans.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@AM: If you still think S-Tier is a lyncher, why don't we just lynch Dabuz scum instead? Still think J is scum though, I'd like to get responses from him but I dunno if he'll be back before deadline due to V/LA.

Laughed my *** off when I saw that he pushed him as a lyncher. I don't really know what he is. All I know is he's probably not ProTown. He damn well doesn't play like he is.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

So we should lynch you for not participating in D1 even though we know it's a null tell rather than a scum tell for you because it's how you play?

And my reason here was purely for lynch. Then tomorrow I would have been in the perfect position getting to decide who the final lynch should be. I would have the credibility from J flipping scum and then all I would have to do was make a dream consisting of two obv townies and 1 of dabuz, glg, Swiss. Whichever one I felt was scum. I do these things because I value my opinion more than anyone elses and want to lynch who I want to lynch. Getting J lynched today would have given me the control of tomorrows lynch both.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Bah, I'll be back later (maybe) ((probably)) (((depends on what friends are doing))) ((((****ING FINALLLLLLLLSSSSSSS))))

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Logic is the same. Prod dodging an entire day phase is inherently scummy. Was why you were lynched in KSSU.

Doesn't matter if it's town play. All that matters is I'm town. This game isn't about teaching me a lesson, it's about winning.

First off, what the hell does KSSU even stand for. Second, being busy during finals is BEING BUSY DURING FINALS. Hell I even declared V/LA and you wanted me lynched for 'being inactive' during that period of time.

So let me get this straight. We've killed two scumbags in a row and we're pretty sure we're looking for either a single mafia or some sort of indy, both who must be pretty desperate for survival at this stage. And then there was this pretty little wagon on a guy called Dabuz, who was pushed to claim, and did anything but convince everyone he was scum. But then some crazy nutjob fakes a claim in order to push someone else completely. And your plan is that we lynch this nut job because he must be the last remaining scumbo trying to survive and outlast his way to endgame?

Try harder, please.

Because lyncher isn't a thing right

 

[Jim Morrison]

So we should lynch you for not participating in D1 even though we know it's a null tell rather than a scum tell for you because it's how you play?

And my reason here was purely for lynch. Then tomorrow I would have been in the perfect position getting to decide who the final lynch should be. I would have the credibility from J flipping scum and then all I would have to do was make a dream consisting of two obv townies and 1 of dabuz, glg, Swiss. Whichever one I felt was scum. I do these things because I value my opinion more than anyone elses and want to lynch who I want to lynch. Getting J lynched today would have given me the control of tomorrows lynch both.

Vote: S-tier

 

[The Account With No Name]

Vote: S-tier

Moe hydra moe problems

 

[The Account With No Name]

J is the play. Dabuz is the back up play.

@AM: If you still think S-Tier is a lyncher, why don't we just lynch Dabuz scum instead? Still think J is scum though, I'd like to get responses from him but I dunno if he'll be back before deadline due to V/LA.

Ahahaha come on that would be pushing the problem to the next Day. We'd still have S-tier being a possible lyncher, we'd still have J being scummy and us having to choose. All we did was lynch Dabuz and make a majority easier to reach.
I think eliminating either J or S-tier toDay is the best road to walk down.

 

[Inferno3044]

Ahahaha come on that would be pushing the problem to the next Day. We'd still have S-tier being a possible lyncher, we'd still have J being scummy and us having to choose. All we did was lynch Dabuz and make a majority easier to reach.
I think eliminating either J or S-tier toDay is the best road to walk down.

I agree with this. We have both S-Tier and J doing things that appear scummy to others. Lynching Dabuz today would only delay the problem.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Some more stuff I need to touch on irt the dreamer claim.

It absolutely makes sense as a scum gambit, the key to which being that I really do think S-tier thinks J is scum as well.

Why is that important though?

So lets say we push through the J lynch. J flips scum, and S-tier looks town as ****. He could present a list of 3 players and guarantee us that scum is within one of them. Since he's already proven to us then that his power is legit, that is not one, not two, but THREE MLs he can just sit back and stamp through. If he's got a NK, that's enough to get him in Lylo with a cast entirely of his choice since he'd be controlling both the lynch pool and who gets NK'd.

 

[Axel]

Woah that's actually a good point by you Glyph.

Although I'm pretty sure J is more likely Indy over Mafia. And I'm pretty much cleared as not mafia based on my interaction with Soup.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Ahahaha come on that would be pushing the problem to the next Day. We'd still have S-tier being a possible lyncher, we'd still have J being scummy and us having to choose. All we did was lynch Dabuz and make a majority easier to reach.
I think eliminating either J or S-tier toDay is the best road to walk down.

You are a smart man.

Some more stuff I need to touch on irt the dreamer claim.

It absolutely makes sense as a scum gambit, the key to which being that I really do think S-tier thinks J is scum as well.

Why is that important though?

So lets say we push through the J lynch. J flips scum, and S-tier looks town as ****. He could present a list of 3 players and guarantee us that scum is within one of them. Since he's already proven to us then that his power is legit, that is not one, not two, but THREE MLs he can just sit back and stamp through. If he's got a NK, that's enough to get him in Lylo with a cast entirely of his choice since he'd be controlling both the lynch pool and who gets NK'd.

Woah! This hectopascal figured the formula out in the end! Zetta beautiful.

Although I'm pretty sure J is more likely Indy over Mafia. And I'm pretty much cleared as not mafia based on my interaction with Soup.

You're outta your vector! Doing such equations is a specialty of mine, not yours you divided digit.

Yes, you may have had that interaction with Soup, but in the process, you did it while clearing Spidey. Then, once Spidey's dead, you decide "oh wait, let's just leave Soup alive, that'll be fun." Look at the flips. Soup flipped some color bull**** while Spidey flipped a back-up. Anyone wanna take bets that he really pushed for Soup just to save Spidey and then turned around and tried to keep Soup alive for as long as possible because he didn't want to be down two mates going into N2?

You can sit here and cite your interaction with Soup on D1 but you cannot, and will not, get away with just one key instance of smart play. Your lack of consistency, reluctance to join scum wagons, tunneling upon J, and sudden attempts to swing wagons at really bad times on D1 as well as to swing them off scum players? That's sinister as ****. Die scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

I will defend to freaking high heaven and back that Zen's "ability" is a full-blown gambit that is so full of **** it isn't even funny. This reeks of Zen's funny business that I can't even believe people are falling it for it. I have done everything in my power to show that I'm town and I have analyzed so much stuff this game it isn't even funny. Zen's using this gambit as an attempt to get me lynched by trying to make it seem like an ultimatum between town's two biggest town reads collectively and myself, a null-read, and its just infuriating.

****ing CALLED it.

 

[Axel]

lol

I outed Soup as scum.
I only "pushed" for dabuz day 2 because Soup was so obvious.
Also what Brannigan said about my interaction with Soup d1.

Anyways let's end this day. Inferno where is your head at now?

So far it's Zapp, Tier, and TAWNN for J.
and Glyph, AM, and dabuz for tier.

So we need Inferno, Gheb, and glg to pick a side. Hm Gheb would just flat out lynch me because he doesn't like me so I think he will side on that wagon. glg had a scum read on me last he posted. So It's looking bad in my direction right now. If I do get lynched please just quick lynch J 100%. Don't even give him time to talk. Just lynch him. If he wiggles his way out I will be so angry.

 

[The Account With No Name]

No, I actually am for you.

 

[Axel]

Why did you change?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, you don't need me to "take a side". I take the side I think is the one that helps town the most, not the one that's being dictated by whomever. I'll probably have enough time to read all of toDay before the deadline anyway so I'd like to think that I'll have a solid opinion by then.