Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[S-Tier]

Yus !

I can't remember if it was a dream that J was town or if I came to that realization in real life.

Uh yeah I think that was a dream.

J is scum, not Allegory.

Of course most of my posts have been fluff today. We already have scum. There's nothing much left for me to do but wait for people to lynch.

My motivation for pushing a dabuz lynch was for this very reason. We aren't going to get any more information from Soup. We know he's scum and no one is going to oppose his lynch at this point. Dabuz however would have given us something to work with for the day since not every one has given an opinion on him and he hasn't made as many tells as Soup. After I realized that no one would go with this, I simply switched back to Soup, not because of "pressure from Zapp". It's as simple as that.

Also obviously that dream posts was a crumb incriminating you as scum.

I had a dream that Allegory died, guess that was wrong. Could have just been a representation of him replacing out. Also had a dream that Ryker and Laundry were in my dorm. Laundry playing this pokemon thing. Ryker watching this telly tubby-like kid show.

 

[Inferno3044]

S-Tier get your role PM and tell us what your role is called and what it does. Would highly appreciate it.

 

[S-Tier]

The **** I just told you what it does.

 

[S-Tier]

Seriously did you even read my #1800?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

My role is something like this: http://www.epicmafia.com/role/1208



Though now that I look at the EM one is a bit different.

N1 I got info about Zapp, J, an TAWNN.
N2 I got info about Laundry, Ryker, and Allegory.

Neither Laundry or Ryker are in this game so I'm thinking n2 was more of a flavor thing hence how it differs from the Epic Mafia role which is where I think Ryker got this from because they are so similar.

I just went look to see what my role was called, it was something unique (it wasn't dreamer), but I accidentally deleted the PM

@mod: Can you resend me my role pm?

I don't think either TAWNN or Zapp are scum, which is why I'm so sure J is scum. I had a bit of waffling that it could be TAWNN today, but his responses still seem pretty town to me. Guiltless responses is the best way to describe it.

Also the story I got last night talked about Allegory surviving death so I think he could have been the target of the night kill, but it also could have just been flavor/misinformation.

Well Zapp and TAWNN are town...

STier how sure are you that one of those three are scum? (this is my saying that I'm almost willing to switch toDay if you can promise me a dabuz lynch toMorrow (obv after discussion with Laundry))

 

[Gova]

2. dtjglyphmoney (1) Dabuz
3. AM ()
4. The Account With No Name ()
7. Inferno ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz (4) AM, Glyph, Zapp, TAWNN
10. J (1) S-Tier
11. Zapp Brannigan ()
12. S-Tier (1) Inferno
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - GLG, Swiss, J

With 10 playing, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is set for April 25th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[S-Tier]

I'm fully certain. And to be clear this is not a gambit. I don't want this turning into a boy who cried wolf.

 

[Inferno3044]

Seriously did you even read my #1800?

I did. You explained what the dreamer role was and said your role was similar. Similar implies that its not exactly the same. So what are the differences between your role and a dreamer?

 

[#HBC | J]

What complete utter bull****. Da hell are you talking about that that incriminates me as scum and sounds like the biggest pile of stupidity I've ever heard. I also extremely hate the fact that when I get lynched I will be shrugged off as "Oh we just lynched him due to faulty result from a stupid role." Are you freaking kidding me Zen?

I litterally have no time for this game for the next 2-3 days so do whatever the hell you want because it doesn't freaking matter, I'm only a VT with a posting restriction that has inhibited my play this game so damn much that I'd be happy to be done with this game. I got the Spidey wagon up and running again D1, I re-affirmed my Soup~ dislike after reading the game so I'm happy with what I've done and just mad that bull**** like this is going to fly when I have not been scummy this game to the point of being lynchable over other slots. Seriously, I have helped this town so much just to be considered for a lynch?

I'm Ryker playing Yomi. Ability/Restriction: Disrespect, I explained this before.

Vote: S-Tier

Lynch this slot, now. Kill it with fire.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm fully certain. And to be clear this is not a gambit. I don't want this turning into a boy who cried wolf.

Death will befall you, Zen. It will be ever sweet to watch you become lynched for your blunder of lynching me for total bogus things after I'm gone.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Nah stier is town and I thought you said you had a better direction....

 

[#HBC | J]

S-tier isn't town, really Ranmaru? Do you have confirmation of this that will 100% make me believe you? I highly doubt it.

Seriously he is gambitting his *** off to get my lynch toDay off of his stupid gut which is entirely wrong. He traded his opinion on me yesterDay when I destroyed his measly little case on me and is re-kindling it again just for the sake that he doesn't think I'm town and it's insanely furiating that I am hanicapped this week due to V/LA and I am going to bed now.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Stier is town to me and I don't see any scum intent from him. I see town intent and plus his suspicion lines up with mine on you (you'll see in the next line)

I had a suspicion that you were looking for scummy things and not really just scum. (Something I learned from Xonar) So that's why I got indy vibes from you.

I didn't like the way you were reacting to Zen/Vandy. It was like you were re-reading to preserve your own survival, not to actually re-read a person you confused.

I was hoping you would have given your 'different direction' you wanted to go down but you just voting Stier doesn't convince me man.

 

[#HBC | J]

Stier is town to me and I don't see any scum intent from him. I see town intent and plus his suspicion lines up with mine on you (you'll see in the next line)

Where the freaking hell is the town intent? He has never backed up his reasoning, he has sheeped you guys for a majority of the game and stuck to the shadows the entire game. What are you talking about Ranmaru? He defended Spidey D1, he tried to dissuade the Soup~ wagon D2 and his reads this game have been absolute terrible garbage. How in the world do you see the town-intent?

I had a suspicion that you were looking for scummy things and not really just scum. (Something I learned from Xonar) So that's why I got indy vibes from you.

Are you freaking kidding me? No seriously, what?

I didn't like the way you were reacting to Zen/Vandy. It was like you were re-reading to preserve your own survival, not to actually re-read a person you confused.

Oh, I've sorry I pointed out scummy things on your slots. Re-reading to preserve my own survival? I wasn't in any danger of being lynched nor was I a prime candidate yesterDay/not at all this game. I was re-reading to confirm my reads and it was damn ****ing clear in my posts.

I was hoping you would have given your 'different direction' you wanted to go down but you just voting Stier doesn't convince me man.

You mean a way that agrees with your own reads?

Oops, I just went there.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm going to bed before I regret saying anything more because I am letting my bad day get into this game and I don't need to put that on you guys. Apologies for the insanely harsh wording as of late because it is a little overboard.

 

[zapp brannigan]

It's fine, get some rest J. I am tired too, just came from class.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote: J

J confirmed mad-tier. Seriously, if you're town, what the **** do you care. You'll flip town and we'll lynch S-tier. If HE flips town, we've got guaranteed scum between TAWNN and Zapp. And all the days in the world to make it happen.

Integrate that into your thought process and you'll differentiate the same things I have.

 

[S-Tier]

Death will befall you, Zen. It will be ever sweet to watch you become lynched for your blunder of lynching me for total bogus things after I'm gone.

I don't know why you're trying to FUD. You can be productive instead. Do you think TAWNN is scum? That's really the only other option.

 

[#HBC | J]

TAWNN>Zapp most definitely.

@Glyph: Town shouldn't be happy with being lynched. Your algorithms are majorly off.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

vote: J

J confirmed mad-tier. Seriously, if you're town, what the **** do you care. You'll flip town and we'll lynch S-tier. If HE flips town, we've got guaranteed scum between TAWNN and Zapp. And all the days in the world to make it happen.

Integrate that into your thought process and you'll differentiate the same things I have.

Tsk, tsk, this ******* digit can't do the math after all.

Where's your beauty, radian? You've failed to factor in all the variables here! Why is your equation so limiting when you should be exploring all the options?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

What complete utter bull****. Da hell are you talking about that that incriminates me as scum and sounds like the biggest pile of stupidity I've ever heard. I also extremely hate the fact that when I get lynched I will be shrugged off as "Oh we just lynched him due to faulty result from a stupid role." Are you freaking kidding me Zen?

I litterally have no time for this game for the next 2-3 days so do whatever the hell you want because it doesn't freaking matter, I'm only a VT with a posting restriction that has inhibited my play this game so damn much that I'd be happy to be done with this game. I got the Spidey wagon up and running again D1, I re-affirmed my Soup~ dislike after reading the game so I'm happy with what I've done and just mad that bull**** like this is going to fly when I have not been scummy this game to the point of being lynchable over other slots. Seriously, I have helped this town so much just to be considered for a lynch?

I'm Ryker playing Yomi. Ability/Restriction: Disrespect, I explained this before.

Vote: S-Tier

Lynch this slot, now. Kill it with fire.

Why so explosive over a WIFOM-loaded claim? There's no need to get mad like this over something so petty and wholly non-incriminating.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Seriously, let's analyze this claim:

My role is something like this: http://www.epicmafia.com/role/1208



Though now that I look at the EM one is a bit different.

N1 I got info about Zapp, J, an TAWNN.
N2 I got info about Laundry, Ryker, and Allegory.

Neither Laundry or Ryker are in this game so I'm thinking n2 was more of a flavor thing hence how it differs from the Epic Mafia role which is where I think Ryker got this from because they are so similar.

I just went look to see what my role was called, it was something unique (it wasn't dreamer), but I accidentally deleted the PM

@mod: Can you resend me my role pm?

I don't think either TAWNN or Zapp are scum, which is why I'm so sure J is scum. I had a bit of waffling that it could be TAWNN today, but his responses still seem pretty town to me. Guiltless responses is the best way to describe it.

Also the story I got last night talked about Allegory surviving death so I think he could have been the target of the night kill, but it also could have just been flavor/misinformation.

This is such bull****. Not saying S-Tier is lying about it, just that the claim/role itself is bull****. Information gained is weak as it's a crapshoot and you don't know if it even works exactly as you think it does. Leaving such a bull**** out like "I deleted my role PM" only solidifies it more. Throw in the actual mechanics of the role that gives you nothing conclusive and it's a pot of WIFOM. I mean, you got information about two players not even in the game. C'mon.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Its a simple numbers game. Best case scenario, we have one anti-town left. Worst case, two.

Assuming we can trust S-Tier, we know one lies with TAWWN, J, and Zapp, correct? I don't know **** about the other two, but I've at least done some light reading and haven't had any complaints. J's reaction to getting pushed really does sound a hell of a lot like someone who can't afford to be lynched. Not someone who thinks its a bad idea to get lynched because he's town. Someone who CAN'T let himself die.

I really don't think there's a 4 man mafia. Maybe there is, but that's literally the only hiccup I could see to this plan. One remaining mafia and an indy is like, a million times more likely. J could be either one, I don't care really. No matter how you slice it, the indy or the last member of mafia simply can't allow themselves to be lynched. See what I'm getting at here now?

Now say we lynch J, and boom, he's actually town. Well ****, we goofed. I've had problems with S-tier since I started actually playing, but he's put himself in a great situation for us right now. If we kill J and he's town, S-tier gets one last dream in overnight. Then we lynch him, and if he's town we know we have a roadmap to at least one of the two last scum, possibly both.

Worst case scenario, we lose 3 townies and hit one scum from lynches (and that's with a MASSIVE chance of hitting the scum within the first two tries). This is not something I'm saying should be set in stone, since a NK could accelerate the process and put us in a tight spot. But right now, I'm thinking its a very sound course of action.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I apparently have a posting restriction in which I have to use the word 'scenario' as many times as possible.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Its a simple numbers game. Best case scenario, we have one anti-town left. Worst case, two.

Don't tell me the equation, radian! You're outta your vector!

Assuming we can trust S-Tier, we know one lies with TAWWN, J, and Zapp, correct? I don't know **** about the other two, but I've at least done some light reading and haven't had any complaints. J's reaction to getting pushed really does sound a hell of a lot like someone who can't afford to be lynched. Not someone who thinks its a bad idea to get lynched because he's town. Someone who CAN'T let himself die.

Again you factoring hectopascal, DO THE MATH! You're implying that S-Tier is trustworthy, that his claim itself is trustworthy, that it does exactly what he thinks it does when he doesn't have the role PM to back it up, that we may be able to afford the rundown of all three players. And, should these guys all flip town? What then? We've essentially put ourselves in LyLo by that point because we're following such obvious WIFOM to our graves. **** that noise.

Now say we lynch J, and boom, he's actually town. Well ****, we goofed. I've had problems with S-tier since I started actually playing, but he's put himself in a great situation for us right now. If we kill J and he's town, S-tier gets one last dream in overnight. Then we lynch him, and if he's town we know we have a roadmap to at least one of the two last scum, possibly both.

>Had a scumread on a player
>Blindly trusting his bull****ted claim and going along with his claim
Okay.

Worst case scenario, we lose 3 townies and hit one scum from lynches (and that's with a MASSIVE chance of hitting the scum within the first two tries). This is not something I'm saying should be set in stone, since a NK could accelerate the process and put us in a tight spot. But right now, I'm thinking its a very sound course of action.

You know the consequences of your actions. I'm not following Zen's claim. I'll lynch a cop guilty but not something as weak and misleading as this. It just reeks of a bad idea.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I don't care if S-Tier is trustworthy. I think scum is between J and him, and J's play has made me feel he's more likely to be our guy.

If that means lynching S-tier and then J, fine.

 

[Dabuz]

@TAWNN: You were extremely ready to lynch me and end the day, NOW you need more reason to justify the lynch saying it wasn't 100%? BULL****! Your play this game annoys the hell out of me.

@AM: Why 3 scum 1 indy? We have only seen a max of 1 NK, and since there were no kills last night, any hypothetical of an indy kill being blocked night 1 is gone. Unless the indy has no killing power, 3 or 4 person mafia team without indy makes the most sense.

@S-Tier: This is a quick response to the parts of your 1771 I feel actually need answers to.

-The point I am trying to make is you're flippy-floppy and your laziness regarding making a case on me, THEN making a case on me (Which still sucks BTW) looks bad. Your "case" is so bad that to me, it looks like you made a case for the sake of trying to deter from a Soup lynch.

-I did answer it. The reason I didn't answer before was because it was part of a plan to get a read on Zap.

-I will keep stating this until it gets drilled, I didn't like the case because it was based off meta, which is not convincing. Regarding the J part, I'll admit: bad play.

@Glyph: You haven't read this game much, have you? This is the third claim S-Tier has made IIRC. AM got to explaining why it's bad before I could. One thing AM didn't point out is, IF we assumed S-Tier's claim to be true, it is apparent that flavor can give S-Tier a useless read. What if he gets a useless dream N3? We are no better off. If S-Tier gets Role-Blocked/jailed/ect.? No better off.

BTW, I did the math, assuming we lynch J, S-Tier, and then one of TAWNN/ Zap, they all flip town, and if doc didn't get any protects, a 4 person mafia team will win the game because now it is 2-2 town / scum. Otherwise it does end up being 3-1 or MAYBE even 2-1-1 (indy). Only in the 1/3rd chance of 3-1 does town win, and town winning in the 2-1-1 is about 50-50. No reason to sacrifice such a huge lead. Anyway, we shouldn't be assuming a claim like that is true.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

There is no situation in which all 4 of them are town

 

[Dabuz]

Derp to myself, you're right. With that, blindly following S-Tier's claim would give town about a 62.5% chance of winning.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

And that's assuming we just blindly lynch at random. Which we won't.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Let's play "why I don't like J" day 2.

Definitely agree with this lame-o right here. Pretty much said what I wanted to say but in a less elegant/amazing way.



Mother of god....you actually might have a brain...and I might actually like this a lot.

This opinion is like golden and I can't honestly call him No Brain anymore, gotta think of a new snappy name for this slot now so gimme a bit. However his opinion on Zapp's case is perfect for me. The thing is the Soupa-Allegory connection case is just that a connection case. There are like no scummy points directed directly at Allegory so I have a hard time believing Allegory is straight-up scum based on the connection to Soup. SoupaScum does make Allegory more plausible to be associated with Soupa as scum, however, if Soupa flips town, then there is like no reason to pursue Allegory based off of Zapp's case since it is 100% off the connection theory of Soup-Allegory.

Now, let's vote Soup and lynch him. None of S-tier's bull**** is going to stop this lynch for toDay.

Vote: Soup~

Votes Soup like he should be. Calls S-Tier out on bull ****, but doesn't specify what said bull **** is. Put's Soup at L-1

Ewwww, you can get lynched just for that first line.

Can't give S-tier the satisfaction of your lynch though.

Doesn't like Dabuz.

S-tier, you need to explain your tunnel scum-read on me. You have not done this and its 'bout time you did sooner rather than later.

Why sooner.

I'm moreso looking at S-tier for his waffly behavior towards Spidey lynch and the way he was trying to act tough by saying "I hope he isn't a bomb." which just screamed fake behavior to me and also the way he tried to move the lynch to Dabuz toDay instead of Soup but moved to Soup after the slightest bit of pressure from you to Soup. Then when looking at his quoting of dabuz (not a case in the slightest, puh-lease.) he didn't even given anything within the post and just tried to shrug it off as his posts would be enough.

@Zapp: When Vandy get here, get that aussie to hit me up with an opinion on Zen. He's the only other person I believe can read Zen somewhat well in this game. My opinion is leaning-scum/needs to burn with his empty pushes and his completely shallow play this game. (bolded is the big deal for me)

MASSIVE reach and exaggeration here. It was a joke as he hammered Spidey, don't read fake motivations into something so simple and null.
Not true at all. You're claiming to have a ridiculous understanding into Zen's thought process, I don't know how you ever got the impression he was trying to swing a lynch from Soup to Dabuz. Even if he was trying to pressure Dabuz, how the hell is this scummy? Considering zen agreed on Day 1 that Soup/Dabuz were scummy and needed to die, why wouldn't he follow up on Dabuz? You're wearing some serious blinders if you think Zen's thought process is "oh no Soup is getting wagoned I must derail it onto Dabuz."

Pg 31 has so many Zen scum-tells......**** my life. Lynch S-tier if I end up dead because the only person I trust to actually follow through with it is AM this game.

The S in S-tier stands for Scum for the love of goodness.

No substance.

How in the world do you get that?

You're clearly not paying attention.

I really hate stupid people who mix up my reads and make me wanna do different things that I did not originally intend to do but bottom line.

Unvote

I'm re-reading.

Soup does the ****tiest catch up in the world and you UNVOTE THIS GUY?

Checklist I need to do:

~Re-look at Soup
~Double-check Triple Check Zen
~Look at Allegory in more detail
~Swiss is town? Check this out.
~Look at Spidey connections in more detail
~Dabuz and GLG, need to re-look.
~Double check town reads on AM/Zapp

I abhor you guys for making me do so much leg-work.

One more thing:

@Mod: Request prod or replacement on Glyph

Fluff

Making notes as I go, Swiss-Bugboy are not scum together. Swiss' only plausible way of being scum is indy. Leaning that way with AM as well so they are fine with me.

Good to know.

Feels like a disconnection between these two slots. TAWNN moving towards town>scum.

Also good to know

Allegory's poking and prodding of TAWNN sits badly with me. Especially the first quote where I thought Zapp had a legit point against Allegory where he never pushed Soup but instead went to TAWNN (I feel though its more of a scum-point regardless of Soup's flip *might need this more as an info flip because his beginning posts at Spidey were terribad and his play isn't getting much better).

However,



This quote looks really odd considering the flip of Spidey from Zapp's early play. Its an interesting dynamic that I need to look at the change of Zapp's thoughts.

Update:

Questioning Zapp/Allegory reads.
Soup may just need to be lynched
Swiss/TAWNN/AM are deffo leaning town.

Says us/Allegory are looking bad.

'Cuz I said so.

But because you can't read in between the lines look here.

I don't believe you and Bugboy could be scum due to your interactions in the first leg of the game with the power struggle/heated battle it struck me more as TvS. I don't find you to be Indy really at all but I just definitely don't see you being on a team with Bugboy. So logically if you were to be scum, in my thought process, you would have to be indy.

However I don't have any evidence to suggest that there is an indy in this game as terms of no SK thus far (especially when keeping RR's vig flip in mind), however, there could be marker or something. I think irrc Ryker likes Indies so one may be in this game in terms of mod meta, but its not conclusive.

So yeah, that's why I have ya as town. Was that so hard to understand?

Says Swiss isn't scum with Spider.

Why am I delving into wine that is just terrible?

If I must indulge your dribble, for me, it feels more like Soup~ is calling out a lack of case on dabuz because face it, there is no case on him. I don't think its either option and I do not get why you are limiting the options to the fact that Soup~ must be scum and therefore his actions are black/white.

So in that post particularly, I see the town intent>scum intent like you are saying in your questions.

Assume he is town. Then what is your answer?

I gave you an answer Zen, that is my thought process and I'm not going to change it just because you have him as a SUPER-DUPER SCUM-READ which you have piggy-backed this day phase. There is also the fact that if you were so pro-SoupScum, what in the world was that GLG vote for?

I really don't think its either Zen and I don't like this position you are trying to put me in because I literally have no answer for you because your answers shouldn't be the only answers. I don't see how Soup~ is trying to connect himself to townDabuz that post nor do I see the aspect of scum-distancing.

This is why I don't deal into certain WIFOM, its dumb.

More shots at Zen. He piggy-backed his scum read on Soup? I mean, if he had a scum read of Soup yesterDay, and then lynched Mafia who had weird connections with Soup, why the **** wouldn't he piggy back it?

It's like you're trying to call Zen on being too set on lynching Soup… while at the same time saying "OMG why are you voting others when you think Soup is scum?!?!?!?!?!" You're literally taking anything and everything Zen is doing and putting a scummy twist onto it.

There are tells in this post. Can anyone figure them out? No? Oh guess I'll have to then.

Town tells in this post aaaand:[

This one. He is analyzing the situation between Spidey and Swiss and came up with an opinion of not liking Xonar and having Swiss as null due to the interaction. It seems really odd for dabuz to pose this sort of question as scum especially considering if he posed them to his scum-mate and the like.

Then Zapp says something that I don't like again:

If this was anyone besides Ran, I'd probably go after it as a scum-tell because this vote and push on dabuz is hallow and is reaching for a reason to call out dabuz. He also somewhat protects Spidey in this post because he had him as a town read but the town read was never really developed. It just feels off to me.

True point about Dabuz. I should reread him. Also another thing he doesn't like about us.

Get.

Lynched.

Now.

Hater

@People saying I've said said has been mafia exclusively: No. I have said Zen is scummy, nowhere in my posts have I determined that he is mafia-exclusive. I think I have said that the door should not be fully closed for him being partners with Bugboy but the fact of the matter is, I am leaning more indy from him. Posts like the one below make me believe the door should not be shut and also makes me look at dabuz with an odd eye.

Look at the contrast between Allegory/dabuz/S-tier when talking about their Spidey reads.

This is weird. I'll assume this comment stems from me saying Zen is town upon a Soup scum flip. Zen is far and beyond the player you've pushed the hardest, yet he's a freaking indy read? Are you serious? EVERY 2ND POST of yours is basically detailing why you think Zen is scummy, but you're leaning more indy then mafia?

Why is pushing for an Indy death a priority of yours on Day 2 J? Compared to your push on Zen, you've just about said NOTHING about Soup being scummy. Read this again:

"let's vote Soup and lynch him. None of S-tier's bull**** is going to stop this lynch for toDay."

Yet the very FOCUS of your day has been to call out every single bit of bull **** that S-Tier posts!! Why the ****?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14334964&postcount=1550

Thread is closed so I can't quote reliably. But here more of J focusing on S-Tier, their apparent indy read. His arguments are basically:

"he's fake"
some meta about Zen having an ulterior motive
calling his vote on dabuz scummy
accuses zen of trying to derail the Soup wagon
he doesn't want to do work
he's posting fluff
switched his vote to Soup BECAUSE RANMARU GAVE HIM DA PRESSHA!!!
says his push on Dabuz is bad (in truth this is like the only legit thing he's said in this entire post)
concludes with more on how he is fake and lacks town intent. HOW are you getting this.

Seriously J, this case is has no legs to stand on and falls over. I've explained how a lot of these things are blatant interpretation on your part to fit your argument.

Next is a bunch of more rage @ zen. Not gonna bother quoting the rest because it's nothing new and more of the same.

Vandy, you need to do what I did for AM and explain your town tells you found in Zen's post against GLG.

I found something curious about Soup~. He had a post where he completely defended GLG against Zen and GLG never responded against Zen because Soup had already done as such. I find the defense of GLG weird and misplaced with Soup's actions. He said at the beginning "I would love to trade walls with Zen." but it doesn't make sense he takes it upon himself to defend GLG.

Why do I have to explain my Town read on someone? I've constantly said that NOTHING you've said about Zen convinces me he is scum. I'm not saying Zen is constantly slapping me in the face with Town tells, but while Zen is 100% on board with my reads, doing legit scum hunting of his own, and being an instrumental force in LYNCHING SCUM two days in a row, why the **** would I for any reason have him as scum?

Like, maybe, MAYBE upon your Town flip, I'd be able to see that all your accusations were legit and this is not just you playing balls to the wall crazy because you're scum and won't drop a bad read at this stage in the game. So yeah, when I have some actual foundation for this INDY S-Tier accusation, I'll consider it.

 

[zapp brannigan]

So yeah I did that while the day was going and was hoping to post it but Soup went and died while I was writing it up. I've only skimmed toDay but man I didn't like that post from Swiss.

Anyway at this stage, I'm pretty freaking comfy with just playing PoE as it looks like scum doesn't even want to kill people anymore.

I need to reread Dabuz to see if I want to go down that road because at this stage my and Ran's scum read is mostly going off a couple of posts.

But yeah, without reading toDay, so far totally happy going down the J route. It'll shed a lot of light on S-Tier who people for some reason still don't like.

 

[S-Tier]

why would I try such an up-hill battle as indy otherwise.

Link to Post
Ha I guess I should actually start reading long posts again (seriously I've gotten into the habit of just not reading what I don't think is important since this game). Clear scum slip by J here. I never said anything about him being indy in the post he is addressing. Why is he assuming himself in an indy scenario (hi im glyph) rather than scum as a whole scenario?

Answer:

Spoiler

Because he is made of tofu.

Spoiler

And he is indy.

 

[S-Tier]

I'm just posting to say that I'm going to be/have been V/LA due to sickness.

I also have a posting restriction so suck it *****es. Disrespect ftw.

I'm all read up but I don't really know where to put some pf my reads because this game is just weird.

 

[zapp brannigan]

If we lynch dabuz > J > glg > Swiss > TAWNN the game will be won. Probably after the first two.

Excellent flow chart.

I think Dabuz not voting either is stronger evidence and would convince me even more to vote Dabuz.

I'm making a long-story short on S-Tier for now. If you guys want me to make a case I will, but with Dabuz currently on the hot seat I was planning on waiting. I read D1 and skimmed D2 because D2 looked like everyone unanimously wanting Soup lynched. But all in all I saw his play as very grimy. I don't care what reason he had for it but he was deflecting questions asked at him left and right and played very anti-town overall. On top of that look at who died N1. Red Ryu, a vigilante who lost his ability to shoot if he shot town. First of all, Red Ryu as a player nor his role was warranted for scum to want to kill him immediately and his play gave me a slight town lean at best. There were stronger and townier players than him. The only reason to kill him would be because scum was afraid that he would shoot right. After Shining Force 2 mafia, RR developed a personal vendetta against Zen and I feel like RR would've definitely shot him personally. Especially with S-Tier's daycop gambit.

As I said, if you want me to form a case on S-Tier I will, but for now I wanna see what's gonna happen to Dabuz. I originally thought of him as scummy for not voting Spidermang and his interaction with him, but I felt some honest posts come from him and I'm currently on the fence.

Fine with Inferno. Though I disagree about RR shooting Zen, in fact SFII was 100% lesson learned for him to NOT to do a ballsy shot. If anything I feel he would of idled.

That reminds me, do we KNOW RR was vig? Or is that just 'his flavor sounds like a vig kind of'

He flipped Town/Ryker. His word is good enough, and no reason not to believe him.

So first of all GG DOC LOL PRO SCUM.

Wait, what? Wifom. Try harder

K.

I'm at work now, and tonight and tomorrow evenings. I'll catch up Saturday.

For now; Soup lynch was bad and I facepalmed at myself for not stopping it. Will be active after Saturday.

I will avenge.

Dislike: J, Alleg, Tier, Dabuz.

No name, Zapp - town.

Is Swiss playing dumb here? What's the point of you throwing out that Soup comment?

Right now I super agree with J's opinions on S-Tier and like how J doesn't suspect me of scum.

Wow. Wow. [glow]Wow.[/glow]

My role is something like this: http://www.epicmafia.com/role/1208



Though now that I look at the EM one is a bit different.

N1 I got info about Zapp, J, an TAWNN.
N2 I got info about Laundry, Ryker, and Allegory.

Neither Laundry or Ryker are in this game so I'm thinking n2 was more of a flavor thing hence how it differs from the Epic Mafia role which is where I think Ryker got this from because they are so similar.

I just went look to see what my role was called, it was something unique (it wasn't dreamer), but I accidentally deleted the PM

@mod: Can you resend me my role pm?

I don't think either TAWNN or Zapp are scum, which is why I'm so sure J is scum. I had a bit of waffling that it could be TAWNN today, but his responses still seem pretty town to me. Guiltless responses is the best way to describe it.

Also the story I got last night talked about Allegory surviving death so I think he could have been the target of the night kill, but it also could have just been flavor/misinformation.

I'm going to throw out something wild here, let me know if I'm reaching too hard, though this isn't completely unfounded. I have some other info I'm working with.

Anyway, Allegory had already replaced out at this stage right? So what do Ryker/Laundry/Allegory have in common? None of them are in the game. Do you think this could be a hint that the mafia are all dead? Ponder this. Gtg now, will finish reading up toNight.

 

[S-Tier]

Yeah that Swiss comment was something. I kind of feel like it was intentional.

As for the mafia being dead thing, I don't think so. He never said anything about it being mafia specific like the EM one, it just says anti-town.

 

[S-Tier]

Or I could be just assuming that's the case now that I think about it. I'll have to see once I get my role again.

 

[S-Tier]

"Its time to settle this because I am done playing this game of fake-pushes from the both of us that are somewhat joking because I need a clear read on your slot that isn't constitued by the bull you have been throwing my way this game because you want to have a scum-read on me"


As I explained above and let me bold a part of my quote for you because let's look at it. That bolded explains perfectly what I am trying to say. I want a clear read on your slot that isn't you juts being fake and not doing things. I never in that post alluded to the fact of "getting a town read" and you putting those words into my mouth is bull. All I'm concerned with is ridding the thread of you? Hardly and quite honestly the dumbest point I've heard against me in the longest time. I haven't been looking at you with a neutral eye? Listen here pal, I actually have been doing this and its coming across to me that you are scummy where you have not actually been giving myself a fair chance this game and have been voting me/calling me scum since my very entrance which I find is garbage. I am not doing my best to force a scum-read on you because of posts like these are just drive me up a wall and back.

The whole phrase you bolded assumes I'm town faking a push on you and that my push is what is clouding your judgment. Remember when I randomly said ok you can be town after you made this post? What happened? You immediately stopped perusing me. What happens today when I once again claim you are scum? You immediately attack me once again haha. I only said you were town to prove that you would drop going after me if I said you were.

 

[S-Tier]

Seriously, let's analyze this claim:


This is such bull****. Not saying S-Tier is lying about it, just that the claim/role itself is bull****. Information gained is weak as it's a crapshoot and you don't know if it even works exactly as you think it does. Leaving such a bull**** out like "I deleted my role PM" only solidifies it more. Throw in the actual mechanics of the role that gives you nothing conclusive and it's a pot of WIFOM. I mean, you got information about two players not even in the game. C'mon.

Here's the thing you don't even need to lynch J just based off my claim. Look at the cases we are making against him if you don't feel my role itself is trustworthy.

And I really did delete the PM. Ryker sent it to the Axel account which I use PMs a lot for. I cleared my inbox a while ago not even thinking about that.

 

[S-Tier]

AM/anyone not on board: #1831 is worth your while.


My bad on quintuple post.