Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[Dooms]

if we no lynch we don't get closer to our 3 mislynch deadline + we know if Ran was telling the truth or not so we could very possibly lose one less townie.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yes, but we lose a townie that scum wanted out of the way. You don't win games by letting scum pick your end game.

 

[#HBC | J]

That doesn't help whatsoever Joey.

 

[smargaret]

It's moot. I don't think we can no-lynch, I think Ran would just sit on the guillotine for another day.

 

[ranmaru]

if we no lynch we don't get closer to our 3 mislynch deadline + we know if Ran was telling the truth or not so we could very possibly lose one less townie.

Scum need to outlive town. Town needs to lynch to get info. Yet a nl could occur in a nk, and we would be letting scum give us info instead of getting it ourselves.

 

[KevinM]

Wow ok first things first remind me literally to never join a game Joey joins again.

Holy bad.

Two.

We lynch both, there is clearly no way to get away from that and personally I dont give a **** about PRs when it gets down to Lylo/Mylo, theres only one way to win that and thats to scum hunt.

Joey do me a favor and start following me because I'm really worried about you throwing the game away just because you're ****ing emotional pants.

Is everyone fine with the lynch order of Smarg -> Ran -> Cello, because with Smargs flip I feel fairly confident in my abilty to read Cello vs Ran's flip.

 

[#HBC | J]

July/Joey/Gord/Smarg are the only ones not fine with Smarg lynch.

J/Ryker/Ran/Cello are okay with Smarg. (Cello is just hopping)

Swords has not really taken a stance on this situation.

 

[Dooms]

LOL KevinM

No.

 

[Dooms]

Kevin, you're not helping at ALL

"I feel fairly confident in my ability to read cello" doesn't help the town as a whole. Just you.

The feeling is 100% mutual by the way. Talk about no fun.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wow ok first things first remind me literally to never join a game Joey joins again.

Holy bad.

Two.

We lynch both, there is clearly no way to get away from that and personally I dont give a **** about PRs when it gets down to Lylo/Mylo, theres only one way to win that and thats to scum hunt.

Joey do me a favor and start following me because I'm really worried about you throwing the game away just because you're ****ing emotional pants.

Is everyone fine with the lynch order of Smarg -> Ran -> Cello, because with Smargs flip I feel fairly confident in my abilty to read Cello vs Ran's flip.

I've asked if they're cool with lynching Cello after the claimants MULTIPLE TIMES. July said that dependent on some flip there's gonna be more useless J tunneling. No one else will say they have a problem with it.

 

[KevinM]

Joey, it helps me which in turn helps the town. stop being a baby.

 

[KevinM]

@Ryker kkz

 

[Dooms]

You're not the only person in this town. You're not even important to the town. Especially since you're a top scum pick to most.

 

[ranmaru]

I think we have to re-consider his playstyle though. I was reading up stuff about him in the interview thread. Still, I would think he could let us know a little how he plays and why because he expects us to know why he is doing what he is doing.

 

[#HBC | J]

Me and Ryker consider him town.

I think that's you/July/Smarg again Joey.

At the moment he's being more rationale and helping and plus he's town so actually he is important.

 

[July]

July/Joey/Gord/Smarg are the only ones not fine with Smarg lynch.

J/Ryker/Ran/Cello are okay with Smarg. (Cello is just hopping)

Swords has not really taken a stance on this situation.

I'm not against lynching Smarg, I just think Ran is scummier. If we were doing Ran/Smarg->Cello->Ran Smarg still this would be an important conversation, but Ran/Smarg back to back lynches followed by Cello means the first twos order isn't all that significant

I've asked if they're cool with lynching Cello after the claimants MULTIPLE TIMES. July said that dependent on some flip there's gonna be more useless J tunneling. No one else will say they have a problem with it.

I agree with the Smarg->Ran->Cello part, I said that last time you asked, what I said is after Cello's head is on the guillotine who goes next is dependent on flips. After that we should be making predictions based on who flips what. If Ran flips scum but not Cello, then hell yeah I'm going to be looking at J again. If Smarg flips scum but not Cello then I will not be looking at J because they are clearly not a scum team. Simple as that.

 

[July]

Also, is Smarg at L-2 or L-1 now?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vote Count (6/10)

J (0):
smargaret (4): Ranmaru, Ryker, J, Cello
Ranmaru (3): Smarg, Joey, July
-Joey- (0):
Gordito (0):
July (0):
Sworddancer. (0):
Cello_Marl (0):
Ryker (0):
KevinM (0):

Not Voting (3): KevinM, Sworddancer, Gordito

 

[ranmaru]

@July:

I think you should be open to more than just J at that point July. I do not think we should only rely on connections.

I think the evidence should be a little more substantiated.

 

[July]

Thank you Kuz : P

I think L-2 is fine for right now, Gord wants us to wait until deadline to hammer and I'm cool with that. I want his input and more from Swords before end of Day.

@Ran: Well, here's the thing. At that point you, Gord, and Smarg are lynched. Cello is on the guillotine. 3 more townies are dead via night kills. That leaves 3 people and Cello on the guillotine. At that point we should absolutely be looking at who is connected to you, and as I pointed out in my case I thought J's most likely scum buddies could be you or Swords. If you flip scum then I'm obviously going to look at everyone who is left and see their connection to you, but Ryker has written J off as completely town and I feel thats ridiculous considering you and J have the possibility of being a scum team. Like I said, if Smarg flips scum then its the complete opposite; I would definitely not look at J as her partner based on interactions.

 

[ranmaru]

That's fine. I just want you to look at each person's intent carefully. I want you to look outside of the box, and then decide. For example, think why J and I may be connected.

I don't know why. Can you tell me why you think J and I may be connected together?

 

[July]

That's fine. I just want you to look at each person's intent carefully. I want you to look outside of the box, and then decide. For example, think why J and I may be connected.

I don't know why. Can you tell me why you think J and I may be connected together?

This is from my case against J, and these are the only interactions two really had until all this cc drama went down:

Ran: First directly addressed in #144 asking about GLG’s post. Asks Ran to stop bringing up self voting two separate times, then asks him to talk about GLG/J dispute in #510. Says in #788 he no like but provides no reasons why, and very limited interactions all game.

You guys have had more interactions since then, and I will deff have to look over them in the case that you flip scum, but I'm going to wait to do that until Smarg's flip because if she flips scum then it's unnecessary to go through that. However, J asked me who I thought his scum partner would be and this was my response:

Decisively not Smarg, or else she deff wouldn't have made that comment about one of GLG or J is scum", that was one big thing I picked up from my re-read. Most likely imo are Ran or Swords; Ran you have had very, very little interactions with and a lot of it has been advising him to stop asking certain questions that in all honesty could come across as scummy. Swords you've had some heated interactions with, but you keep pushing him back and back, always on the periphery and always a little antagonistic but never all out.

So my stance that you two could be scum partners is not a new thing since you cc'ed, that was how I felt after making my case as well.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

July/Joey/Gord/Smarg are the only ones not fine with Smarg lynch.

J/Ryker/Ran/Cello are okay with Smarg. (Cello is just hopping)

Swords has not really taken a stance on this situation.

Actually I have. I'm fine with Smarg first.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Kevin: Why not lynch me before the other of Ranmaru/smargaret? If we pick correctly toDay, then we would KNOW the Voyeur is telling the truth and NOT have to mislynch. Scum hunting is great and all, but if you can KNOW that a player is town and STILL want to lynch that person, then that doesn't really help, does it?

 

[ranmaru]

No, you can be lynched after me/Smarg. You state that you being second only would help if town picks correctly. If I and Smarg are lynched in a row, than there is a safe chance of netting scum. Don't take town's chance of getting scum in the bag away. If you want to die, be patient.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Cello so sloppy toDay. What do you think of it Swords?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'll vote smargs. They BOTH need to go regardless. Just, prefering Ran first.

 

[KevinM]

@Kevin: Why not lynch me before the other of Ranmaru/smargaret? If we pick correctly toDay, then we would KNOW the Voyeur is telling the truth and NOT have to mislynch. Scum hunting is great and all, but if you can KNOW that a player is town and STILL want to lynch that person, then that doesn't really help, does it?

You're misdirecting town here.

 

[Cello_Marl]

No, you can be lynched after me/Smarg. You state that you being second only would help if town picks correctly. If I and Smarg are lynched in a row, than there is a safe chance of netting scum. Don't take town's chance of getting scum in the bag away. If you want to die, be patient.

You're misdirecting town here.

You're both acting ********.

@Ranmaru: There is a counterclaim in place. We KNOW FOR A FACT that one of you is lying. There is no "chance" of lynching scum if we lynch both of you, there is simply FACT that we will lynch ONE scum AND ONE Town if we lynch both of you. HOWEVER, REGARDLESS OF WHO WE LYNCH TODAY, IF WE LYNCH ME TOMORROW, THEN WE WILL KNOW WHETHER THE OTHER PERSON IS SCUM OR TOWN. There is absolutely NO reason to lynch a Town player when we can KNOW that that player is Town. As the supposed Voyeur, I cannot understand how you do not see this. From your perspective, we should lynch smargaret, who you know is SCUM, then lynch me, simply because I am suspect. At that point, smargaret will flip scum, and PROVE that you are the Town Voyeur.

Why is it that you do NOT wish to do this?

@Kevin: Misdirecting, how? It was YOUR suggestion that we lynch Ranmaru and smargaret back to back. It does not matter if it was proposed before, YOU endorse it. YOU should know better.

Unvote Vote Ranmaru

 

[Cello_Marl]

Gordito, put your vote on Ranmaru. I only voted for smargaret to try to get Ryker to change his vote.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Kevin should be willing to vote for Ranmaru first since he wants to lynch them back to back anyway. If he doesn't, I want to hear his explanation.

 

[ranmaru]

Hey I don't care. It's not like you guys need a voyeur action. But I really will push for Smarg tomMorow and not you. Why would you sacrifice yourself for Smarg?

If we lynch you tomMorow scum get's one extra nk.

Me/Smarg before you.

 

[ranmaru]

Basically, you are hurting town because my cc would have been for nothing. You are shutting down the options.

 

[ranmaru]

@Ranmaru: There is a counterclaim in place. We KNOW FOR A FACT that one of you is lying. There is no "chance" of lynching scum if we lynch both of you, there is simply FACT that we will lynch ONE scum AND ONE Town if we lynch both of you. HOWEVER, REGARDLESS OF WHO WE LYNCH TODAY, IF WE LYNCH ME TOMORROW, THEN WE WILL KNOW WHETHER THE OTHER PERSON IS SCUM OR TOWN. There is absolutely NO reason to lynch a Town player when we can KNOW that that player is Town. As the supposed Voyeur, I cannot understand how you do not see this. From your perspective, we should lynch smargaret, who you know is SCUM, then lynch me, simply because I am suspect. At that point, smargaret will flip scum, and PROVE that you are the Town Voyeur.

If you are lynched toMmorow, you will know know if you lynched town or scum. But the same would happen if we lynched me or Smarg tommorow, which is a better chance of catching scum, because the scum/town is between the two of them (Ran/Smarg), and it is NOT between you, you stupid tard.

Your statement is wifom. The wifom in this case wouldn't matter if me and Smarg were lynched back to back.

You are lying, there is a BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG chance of lynching scum if we lynch the both of us. You are only stalling for more nk's.

The blue doesn't support the red you dumb loaf of bread.

Cello, what are you trying to do?

 

[ranmaru]

And obviously no one knows who is town but scum.

 

[ranmaru]

GLG, I see you there. Can you post thoughts?

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote
Vote: Smargaret

^for emphasis

Seriously, Smarg is 100% less believable and 100% more scummy then Ranmaru.

Ryker, do you honestly think Ran would keep forgetting not once but twice who he NK'd? I mean seriously if he is mafia then bra-fricking-vo because I am fooled. I'm comfortable with Smarg>Cello after reading some of Ran's posts in respect.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm serious, If I'm wrong please do rag me to never go with my gut again.

I in no way after re-reading the extreme spur of posts that happened yesterday see Ranmaru as scum over someone such as Scumarg.

 

[July]

GLG, I see you there. Can you post thoughts?

Lol Ran xD

Unvote
Vote: Smargaret

^for emphasis

Seriously, Smarg is 100% less believable and 100% more scummy then Ranmaru.

Ryker, do you honestly think Ran would keep forgetting not once but twice who he NK'd? I mean seriously if he is mafia then bra-fricking-vo because I am fooled. I'm comfortable with Smarg>Cello after reading some of Ran's posts in respect.

Bolded part is a really good point. Smarg toDay makes sense, but still not sure about Cello toMorrow instead of Ran, deff need to think about that part.

 

[Cello_Marl]

If you are lynched toMmorow, you will know know if you lynched town or scum. But the same would happen if we lynched me or Smarg tommorow, which is a better chance of catching scum, because the scum/town is between the two of them (Ran/Smarg), and it is NOT between you, you stupid tard.

Your statement is wifom. The wifom in this case wouldn't matter if me and Smarg were lynched back to back.

What?

What?

Are you just not listening to me? What's so difficult to understand about the point I'm making?

Let's look at it this way. Let's say that you are town, and smargaret is scum, and we choose to lynch smargaret toDay. ToNight, Joey will die.

ToMorrow, according to your plan and Kevin's plan and idiocy's plan, we would lynch you. At that time, smargaret would flip scum, and we would have just put the Voyeur on the chopping block for no ****ing reason whatsoever. The Day after will see me put on the chopping block because J and Ryker are ********, which will mean we run out of mislynches. If you don't think I'm going to be lynched after you two (should we take that route), then you're ****ing stupid.

What if, instead, we chose to lynch me? WE WOULD KNOW THAT YOU TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT BEING THE VOYEUR. We would then...NOT LYNCH YOU, BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE TOWN.

It's not WIFOM, it's "we ****ing know there is a Voyeur in this game, and there ISN'T going to be another counter-claim". Yes, you will die that Night for this, because you are CONFIRMED ****ING TOWN. BUT, that means we STILL have our 3rd mislynch, instead of squandering it on CONFIRMED ****ING TOWN.

The scenario above makes just as much sense if we switch your name and smargaret's name.

The difference between the two of you lies in the people that think that you are scum and those that think that smargaret is scum. To a man, the people voting for smargaret think that I am her scummate. WONDERFUL. FINE. I don't ****ing care. BUT, we THREE shall BE the next three lynches, so it shouldn't really matter to them in what order we die. But, it DOES to me, because I KNOW that they are wrong, and as block-headed as those morons are, they won't lynch the real 2nd scum after we're both gone (that scum being KevinM).

@J: You think that smargaret/me is the scum team, correct? That being the case, does it really matter if we lynch Ranmaru instead of smargaret first, since I'm going to be lynched toMorrow?