Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[Dooms]

Yes J that is exactly why /sarcasm

When reading through july's posts, I went through the whole thread. I noticed that what July was calling you out for was nothing but the truth, and honestly it made you look very scummy. I believe in most of her stances fully (swap Smarg with KevinM), and quite honestly, I want her to stay alive way more than I want anyone else to besides Ryker.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm not explaining why I think Joey is town to someone I believe to be scum. Sorry, J.

Um, here's the thing Smarg. We don't know who is who in town. Scum have advantage of knowledge, and town has advantage of numbers.

That means, town doesn't have info. So basically you are hurting town if you refuse to give info to who you think is scum. It wouldn't matter because scum would know who is town. (or essentially who isn't scum)

Now I do disagree with J's talk of Self-hammering, but I guess that's just his style. Or maybe it's something between him and Cello.

 

[smargaret]

I'll leave it up to Joey.

 

[Dooms]

It's something between him and Cello.

 

[ranmaru]

I'll leave it up to Joey.

It is not just up to him. You are being selfish.

 

[#HBC | J]

Information Instead of Analysis - it's a bulking technique used by scum to make it seem like they're posting/scumhunting when they're really not taking any stance at all, or it can be an effect of posting stream of consciousness style.

Basically, whenever someone points out scummy behavior, you tell them to shut up and sit in a corner. That's shutting down scumhunting, and it's never a good thing for the town. You did it to me, and you did it to GLG, and to some extent, you did it to Gord by telling him to butt out of your conversation with Cello.

I have no idea whether or not you'd self hammer; I don't actually know you that well. Regardless of whether or not you would have followed through with it, threatening - self-voting at all, except in very definite circumstances - is AtE.

Oh you are talking about Advice Dogging (Delvro shout-out). So do you believe that is what I am doing?

No I have not? Where have I purposely shut down scum-hunting. Where did I do it to you, I can see where you might be getting it from GLG (that one post), and Gord point is absurd.

Self-voting can be done with AtE because that's using the term wrong. It's Appeal to Emotion. It's where you use your actions to try and sway with emotion. True but as I've said, I held no intention of actually self-hammering.

Ah, I thought you were referring to the question about July's case. I don't think withholding reasons for a town read is anti-town, especially when providing those reasons could damage town's chances.

How could it damage town's chances?

Yes J that is exactly why /sarcasm

When reading through july's posts, I went through the whole thread. I noticed that what July was calling you out for was nothing but the truth, and honestly it made you look very scummy. I believe in most of her stances fully (swap Smarg with KevinM), and quite honestly, I want her to stay alive way more than I want anyone else to besides Ryker.

So basically you are backing up July 100% correct? Alright. Is it enough to go with July and vote for me instead of Cello who is in the red?

 

[smargaret]

Okay, then, Joey's posts look like crumbs to me.

 

[Dooms]

Uhh.. What are you leaving up to me? o_O;

 

[#HBC | J]

It's something between him and Cello.

Wrong again.

 

[#HBC | J]

Okay, then, Joey's posts look like crumbs to me.

Agreed with this sentiment highly. I actually pointed this out somewhere.

 

[smargaret]

er, I thought you were telling me to go ahead and say why I found you townie ...

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran is the perfect Advice Dog.

 

[Dooms]

Smarg that's enough please. Thanks~ I'd prefer if nothing else was said ^_^;

J: No. While you and KevinM are only reads, I feel that Cello... is actually scum. Red is EXTREMELY SCUMMY or REALLY SCUMMY and USELESS. You're neither. You're -right- above that.

 

[ranmaru]

What is advice dogging? Generally, I am good at giving advice. People call me "teacher". So I wouldn't refute that.

 

[Dooms]

It's not a good thing LOL

 

[smargaret]

These are just from Day 1. Important bits are bolded, the whole quote is there to prevent accusations of taking out of context.

Gordito why have almost all your posts telling me to go back to being a *****.

There is better things to comment on.

I.E. What do you think of Cello?
Why do you say "if" I am town if you find me to be scummy?
Also that sentence is a straight up lie that people have told me to my face otherwise. Quit trying to re-buddy and answer the questions people have asked you and comment on other things.

Hmm more biting, less barking.

How are you in the argument? Did me and Cello invite you into our conversation? Where did you comment again?

Point out your substance posts please.

Also ridiculing? You've lost your touch.

Aside: Swords, you cleared Cello yesterday on meta. How does his meta stack up today?

Alright, careful with votes now.

We have one person (Gordito) at L-2.

Another person (J) at L-3.

Need to start getting careful. We have tons of time still.

This one isn't shutting down anyone specifically so much as it is shutting down discussion in general.

.....I'm gonna let you re-think this point.



You've yet to show why and just keep saying I'm scum.



You said you did not have to read anything more then those two posts to know that I was scum. That's not reading. You have yet to say you were going to read.



He said my pay was different from my passive normal playstyle and he said the apparant aggressiveness of my posts referred to scumJ. Now who is the one twisting words, defending Gord?



Yes, that's a question. Where is assuming? Why did you not just quote the post where I called Swords out for his Cello clear on meta instead of that weak post. You could have made your point better but you are trying to twist what you can to make it look like I'm assuming. Doing a poor job albeit by the way.



Wait....so the scum-team in your head is J/Gord....? You need help. So your assumption is that this entire thing is a scum-gambit between the two of us?



Yet you choose not to point out Gordito's attempt to buddy me and buddy Smarg. Why leave that out? Also so you assume Ryker is scum as well?

You just realized? Cello is Cello. July is July. Gordito is Gordito.

This is good answer, no?



Why does J need to die?



You had foundation? No. You had good quotes? No.



What? You're wrong.

GLG, why did you refuse to respond to my post in which refuted your points?

GlG please read that I was talking about Swords initial vote.

Cello/Kevin thing is a joke.

Ran, derp. Quit bringing that up. It's like you're trying to advice dog me.

Lol GLG

just sit back and ride your claim out like a good little nuisance.

You've yet to prove why I'm scum and haven't convinced a single person but in fact made yourself to look worse to get a claim out of you!

^^this whole post

 

[July]

Just spent the day at a tournament, will reply to everything tomorrow, just reviewed the thread though and saw I have a lot to respond to from Joey, Smarg, and J. Responses tomorrow; J, my vote stays where it is for now, I will re-read though and look at Cello when I can.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

July and Ryker are town.

Everyone else is null.

Super safe play.

Super scum tell.

Cello is still a better option atm.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm not explaining why I think Joey is town to someone I believe to be scum. Sorry, J.

Then explain it to me. The guy who you just said was town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

It was covered before I caught up.






Unvote

I have the winning formula right here.

Lynch Vote: Smarg. Smarg's objective isn't scum hunting despite protests that J has been "shutting down" others. The only thing Smarg has done is try to keep all the options open. I can't recall a single time that I've gotten a good solid stance on who we should lynch. The posts I quoted above summarize just how helpful that player slot is.

Tomorrow, lynch Cello. He's been more worthless than you people have been accusing Kevin of being since just past the beginning of Day 1. If by some miracle I'm wrong and he's ******** instead of scum, then he's still a liability to leave standing. Do not let him talk his way out if I'm not here to push a case on him. Grow a backbone and lynch his worthless ***.

The next day lynch Ran. Never a leader, always echoing. She is simply commenting on issues that have already been brought up. Tunneled J before, but is now bussing Smarg.

If the game isn't over, lynch July. Tunneling the hell out of J with an EXTREMELY weak case.

Don't lynch me, Joey, J, or KevM.

 

[ranmaru]

Ryker, do you think Smarg with-holding info from null people good? I mean, it seems weird that she would only have two town reads, and everyone else null to her. (Besides her acclaimed scum picks) There is a big chance that most of them could be town.

Is that a poorly thought out reason?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Holy crap guys I fall asleep at f***ing, like, 11:30 and I wake up to this clusterf*** of posts?! Thanks.

Won't respond for the next few hours. Can't concentrate.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Declaring Limited access today since I'm super behind on all of my homework. Will try to post something but no guarantees.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh, and at 1:30 my a capella group's coming over so I'm not gonna be on the internet.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

A couple things:

Agreed with this sentiment highly. I actually pointed this out somewhere.

J you actually pointed out in thread that Joey breadcrumbed (retorical question)? =/ Ugh why would you do that?

FoS J

Pretty much the same thing to Smarg but I'm already voting her, so yeah.

Ryker Ran is not a girl.

It was covered before I caught up.






Unvote

I have the winning formula right here.

Lynch Vote: Smarg. Smarg's objective isn't scum hunting despite protests that J has been "shutting down" others. The only thing Smarg has done is try to keep all the options open. I can't recall a single time that I've gotten a good solid stance on who we should lynch. The posts I quoted above summarize just how helpful that player slot is.

Tomorrow, lynch Cello. He's been more worthless than you people have been accusing Kevin of being since just past the beginning of Day 1. If by some miracle I'm wrong and he's ******** instead of scum, then he's still a liability to leave standing. Do not let him talk his way out if I'm not here to push a case on him. Grow a backbone and lynch his worthless ***.

The next day lynch Ran. Never a leader, always echoing. She is simply commenting on issues that have already been brought up. Tunneled J before, but is now bussing Smarg.

If the game isn't over, lynch July. Tunneling the hell out of J with an EXTREMELY weak case.

Don't lynch me, Joey, J, or KevM.

Pretty much nailled it on the head with Smarg.

Ryker why shouldn't we lynch KevinM though? That guy has been an extremly laid back "sidelines" kind of guy. There is absolutly nothing from him which suggests to me that he's a townie so I want to see your reasoning for this.

Aside: Swords, you cleared Cello yesterday on meta. How does his meta stack up today?

Again, I didn't "clear" Cello off of meta, I just started out with a town read on him from it.

Also, I already addressed this for J. Him being extremly quiet sides on the lines of his scum meta. Plus even from a non meta PoV his play is still scummy because it shows either a tendacy of being careful and/or having a hard time thinking of something to say (kind of goes hand and hand with being "careful").

So yeah, lets lynch Smarg toDay. It really isn't saying much when the most ballsy move you make is voting KevinM early Day 1. Super safe game, keeping options open and refusing to get hands dirty.

@Ran: Why are you voting Smarg again (not disagreeing with it, just don't know your reasoning)?

Lol @ Gord being in an a capella group.

Smarg > Cello > KevinM > Ran

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Haven't really reread but I read this,

It really isn't saying much when the most ballsy move you make is voting KevinM early Day 1. Super safe game, keeping options open and refusing to get hands dirty.

Umm... To be quite honest it feels like she's more in the game than you. Especially because I've forgotten that you were even IN the game like twice already. Oh, and our a capella group's the shiz. We're preparing for the school talent show, so :/. If I don't post before 1 then I'll post tonight. But oh wellz might just wanna post tonight so that you guys can just say your shiz in between that time and not make me have to catch up twice.

 

[Dooms]

I'll admit that I like this plan~!

Unvote

Vote: Smarg

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Haven't really reread but I read this,



Umm... To be quite honest it feels like she's more in the game than you. Especially because I've forgotten that you were even IN the game like twice already. Oh, and our a capella group's the shiz. We're preparing for the school talent show, so :/. If I don't post before 1 then I'll post tonight. But oh wellz might just wanna post tonight so that you guys can just say your shiz in between that time and not make me have to catch up twice.

I didn't accuse her of "not being in the game enough." I'm accussing her of playing it too safe. You can be active in a game and still play it safe.

Also, I trust you will be providing videos of your a capella performance?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea, but playing it safe kinda means you're not really getting into the game, and just kinda trying to hide. If she was try'na hide, I'd have probably forgotten she was in the game quite a few times. But I haven't really. She seems fine at this point to me, but later tonight I'll see what you guys have against her and mold my opinion from there.

Lol videos.

You'll get the videos the night of the talent show, March 9th. Or if any other videos of us leak on Youtube before then.

 

[#HBC | J]

Smarg is at L-1.

Claim it up.

*goes to respond in due time*

 

[KevinM]

I will gladly hammer Smarg, that's a wagon I can stand behind.

No solid stances and as I've pointed out more interested in self-preservation = scummy.

 

[smargaret]

WTF do you mean, I haven't taken strong stances? I've taken several of them. Joey and Ryker are town. KevinM is scum. Cello is likely scum. That post was only listing my strong scum/town reads; most of the rest of you are leaning scum or leaning town.

KevinM's play reeks of self-preservation, hardly a townie motivation. And swords, wtf is with that wagon jump? Opportunistic much?

Ryker, if you really need to lynch me to clear the air, then I'm fine with it SO LONG AS YOU THEN LYNCH SCUM. And like none of my scum/nullscum reads are on your hitlist. If it weren't for Joey - who has asked me not to reveal anything more about his role - I'd seriously be putting you back on the scum side of things.

Do you really want a claim? Do you remember what happened to GLG when he claimed?

 

[smargaret]

KevM, of course you'll hammer me. You just don't want to be in my position.

 

[smargaret]

In any case, nobody's hammering me until deadline so Gboy gets to talk.

 

[Dooms]

Smarg please claim. You may end up living longer than expected.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

And swords, wtf is with that wagon jump? Opportunistic much?

Haven't jumped from your wagon once toDay, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

claim please

 

[smargaret]

Screw it, I'm the voyeur. I watched Ryker last night. He was targetted by the reporter.

 

[Dooms]

Do you have a name with the reporter?

I'm still not familiar with roles I've never had @_@

If you do, don't say who, just say if you do or not.

 

[Dooms]

Unvote

Lol @ lynching the Voyeur

 

[smargaret]

nope, I just get a list of what actions targetted a player.