Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[Dooms]

Welp.

That sucks.

Vote: Cello

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm gonna be having a talk with that, "Reporter" when this game is over.

Kay

Joey, Myself, Ryker, Smarg are all town in my eyes.

I'd be willing to have KevinM but it's dependant.

Now everyone back onto Cello_Marl.

 

[smargaret]

We should lynch KevM or Cello today.

 

[#HBC | J]

Lemme clarify, I'm willing to have KevinM as town.

July/Cello/Ran/Swords need to be pressured alot more.

 

[smargaret]

EBWOP: In that order.

 

[#HBC | J]

Smarg, you should vote Cello or provide a full case as to why KevinM should be lynched. Otherwise I don't see KevinM as scum however I am open to your opinion of scum-hunting him and trying to convince others onto him.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Why are all PRs being given out to such anti-town people? =/

unvote

Request vote count

 

[smargaret]

Second the request vote count thing. I think lynching Cello is a better move than lynching KevM today, but I don't want to move my vote and inadvertently hammer.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Dat Votecount (6/10)

J (1): July
smargaret (2): Ranmaru, Ryker,
Ranmaru (0):
-Joey- (1): Cello_Marl
Gordito (0):
July (0):
Sworddancer. (0):
Cello_Marl (3): -Joey-, J, Gordito
Ryker (0):
KevinM (1): smargaret

Not Voting (2): KevinM, Sworddancer

 

[#HBC | J]

Kay Swords/Smarg you can both vote Cello and push a claim out of him.

 

[smargaret]

Unvote
Vote: Cello

Not sure what the purpose of claiming is, though, now that all the town pr's who are aware of it are out.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

GREAT guys. This is why we should listen when I put smargz leaning toward town.

Ggs.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hmm, L_2 is still fine. Really rather not put Cello at L_1.

Someone tell me why KevinM is town again?

 

[#HBC | J]

Town Redeemed Soul
Town Sleepwalker
Town Reporter *sigh*

Those are the PRs that have yet to be outed.

Swords, why won't you put Cello at L-1?

 

[smargaret]

Redeemed Soul and Sleepwalker don't know who they are.

 

[Dooms]

Uhhhh

What does town redeemed soul even do? o_O; I saw it in the setup and it said that the "Town Redeemed Soul will be shown on flip" but that was it... not what it did or anything XD!

 

[#HBC | J]

7 people receive the following role PM: 5 Vanilla Townie, 1 Town Redeemed Soul, 1 Town Sleepwalker.

They receive the pm according to this.

 

[Dooms]

No, those 7 people recieve the Vanilla Townie PM...

 

[smargaret]

They receive a vt pm ... this isn't scumhunting.

Joey, my understanding is that if Gboy were the redeemed soul, the mod would have confirmed him as town at the start of today, not make us wait until deadline/we lynch to see.

 

[#HBC | J]

*shrug* Guess I misconstrued that when reading.

So sleepwalker is uninformed miller, and I get what Redeemed soul is.

Anyways we are waiting on July/Swords/Ryker someone to put Cello at L-1.

 

[Dooms]

Oh okay. I see. O:

 

[July]

Why do you think you were investigated Cello?

Answer or get lynched, since I know you don't like to answer stuff half the time.

Did you ever get an answer to this Joey?

Every post starting from the top:
151 - July, look back at this, have you looked at ran since you said this? What have you noticed? ; Was the second part directed at Cello? He was the person quoted, but it says "Put the blame on Cello" in your post XD! ; Rest is pretty good townie post. No extra comments

Yes I have looked at Ran since then, the problem is I can't tell what is him not being in the game very much and what is him just avoiding giving information. He has been doing a lot of Advice Dogging (as J describes it) and fixating on little things that people do or say but avoiding getting into an actual dialog with people. Ran and Swords are at pretty much the same level for me, both suspicious- Swords for lack of presence and Ran for an abundance of posts but that are full of fluff and advice.

- 184 - Why J? You shouldn't base your opinion on if J can tear his post up in two minutes or not. Rest is defending J to me.

Hmm trying to figure out what you mean by why J in my 184; I do believe that between J and GLG, J looked a lot better and had more substantial arguments, what I didn't like about GLG/J argument was after GLG claimed and J shut him down, which I've talked about before.

+ 329 - Why is accusing without reasons not scummy? o_O; That seems pretty scummy to me. Please explain. GLG point makes sense. How can you get jabs at people but not comment on them? Also explain. Small jabs can be useful as well, since you don't need to make a case against everyone you find atleast somewhat scummy. Disagree on KevinM. KevinM really hasn't been playing that well. I thought he was supposed to be amazing townie too lol. I really feel like he's been hiding on the sides and just going after the popular folk. This isn't about him though so I'm moving on XD! ; Makese sense to me. +townie points ; Did you make your post on this? Not that it matters or anything at this point ; Truetruetrue

Ran accusing without reasoning wasn't a big issue for me because he was floating in and out of the game for a week because of tournaments and rl johns and such. What bothered me is that instead of using his time to do analysis he went out of his way to make advice posts where he makes sure that he very vocally equates himself to town. It seemed like his focus coming back in was more "Hey, I'm back, btw I'm town everyone" rather than "Hey, I'm back, here's what I think."

*Off topic : 431 - You know I love you, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to talk to you in a mafia game. Out of game though always and forever <3*

431 - Skipped
433 - Skipped
+434 - You still didn't consider me scummy after that? Why would you wait for my responces before you found me scummy? Still pretty townie post though.
436 - I sang because of the ironic fact that I hate that song more than anything incase you're wondering. XD

Lol well thank you <3

Honestly, I'm not sure how much attention an FoS warrants, it doesn't really exert pressure like a vote and since it was the product of your case against Gord, I wasn't exactly sure how you would or should respond to that, unless you did so.

*(Stealing your style) Off topic: But that songs a classic!! I thought everyone liked it lol*

702 - You still have your eye on ran correct? Just reminding you that you said you did earlier.

Yes, although I was doing so on a post by post basis, by which he looked fine, just kind of behind in the thread; but holistically he doesn't seem to have many strong stances and hasn't received much pressure, so he is fine with not taking many strong stances, and in light of the J case he is someone to be weary of (him and J had very few direct interactions, and most of them were J telling Ran to lay off subjects like the self-voting thing)

+ 802 - Don't regret anything you do. Doing things wrong is part of the game. Even if the pros say "You ****ing idiot" or something, in the end everyone makes mistakes and you have no reason to regret what you do. Learn from it instead. I like the first two paragraphs. Disagree with Kevin under Smarg because he's REALLY scummy, but bleh. J vote was obviously coming.
804 - This is the opinion I like to see. Skipped mostly though since it's a personal thing instead of town or scum.
807 - Skipped
813 - Notice that all of her post numbers have pretty big gaps in them pretty often when the game is alive. It's obvious that she has reasons to being inactive. I'm not going to vote her for inactivity.
814 - Lol.
818 - Skipped
+ 823 - I SUPER AGREE WITH THIS POST. J has been doing this the whole game. Super + town for July and super - town for J

*Off topic: Oh my god July why do you have so many fluffy posts now? totally understandable but good gosh D:*

Responses about 802 and 813: THANK YOU. Obviously now I see where you are coming from with Smarg being less suspicious than KevinM. He's provided so little information though, and he's right in that area with Ran and Swords where I don't know if they are just not invested, somewhat inactive, or actively trying to avoid giving stance for scummy reasons.

Sorry, fluffy posts just kinda happened as I was stressed, I wanted to remind myself this is a game and it is fun and nothing is supposed to be personal.

Ran: It looks like the only reason you're voting me is because I'm not hopping on the Cello wagon? How exactly does that make me scum? And I'm hardly giving him a free pass; the only time I said anything to that effect was day one and honestly, Cello is too strong a player to lynch day one. In fact, I'd make a case that Cello should always be the night 1 investigation target, because it is too important to have him as a cleared townie or as confirmed scum. If Cello continues his anti-town playstyle, I'd be happy to see him lynched.

KevinM: Is still not voting anyone. Why not? Seriously, why not? There is no excuse for not voting right now, unless it's because you're scum trying to fly under the radar and not be on a mislynch.

J: I said yesterday that I believed one of J and GLG was scum; clearly it's not GLG. I'd be interested in seeing a J wagon. I think July has some good points, even if there is some confirmation bias in the case.

July and Ryker are town.

Everyone else is null.

Smarg, did Ran ever really respond to this post? And good call on KevinM who has commented in the meantime but still hasn't voted anyone.

Last part is why I said J/Smarg =/= equal scum buddies, and now I feel even stronger about my stance towards J.

Explain IIoA i don't know that term.

As I've stated before with KevinM, it wasn't AtE and I would never self-hammer myself. People take things out of context. Smarg, do you honestly think I would self-hammer after that experience in DnD in which I was lynched 23 hours into the game?

Go into depth on my reaction to pressure. Honestly I haven't been pressured much besides the beginning so I'd love to see your analysis here.

J, you keep saying this, but we have all read it in context and at least three of us (Smarg, Ran, and myself) saw it as AtEing, so it's hard to blame us when it's something that clearly isn't clear to begin with.

Um, here's the thing Smarg. We don't know who is who in town. Scum have advantage of knowledge, and town has advantage of numbers.

That means, town doesn't have info. So basically you are hurting town if you refuse to give info to who you think is scum. It wouldn't matter because scum would know who is town. (or essentially who isn't scum)

Now I do disagree with J's talk of Self-hammering, but I guess that's just his style. Or maybe it's something between him and Cello.

Ran is the perfect Advice Dog.

Advice Dog is a really, really good explanation of what this is; this info is true but isn't helping us scum hunt at all, and you are not even using it to make a case against Smarg, its just raw information.

Tomorrow, lynch Cello. He's been more worthless than you people have been accusing Kevin of being since just past the beginning of Day 1. If by some miracle I'm wrong and he's ******** instead of scum, then he's still a liability to leave standing. Do not let him talk his way out if I'm not here to push a case on him. Grow a backbone and lynch his worthless ***.

The next day lynch Ran. Never a leader, always echoing. She is simply commenting on issues that have already been brought up. Tunneled J before, but is now bussing Smarg.

If the game isn't over, lynch July. Tunneling the hell out of J with an EXTREMELY weak case.

Don't lynch me, Joey, J, or KevM.

Looked back at Cello, and with the exception of the very, very beginning of the game he's been pretty much a non-presence; he has presented pretty much no useful information since then. He is a valid lynch for toDay, especially since we do not have Gord's flip yet =/

As for toMorrow, if Gord flips scum then I agree that Ran is a good choice to throw on the guillotine. If Gord flips town however, then J needs to be on the guillotine toMorrow; I will fight that to my death. But you've been pretty pretty clear though about your feelings that J is town so I expected this stance...however, why in the hell do you say not to lynch KevinM? What he has done that puts him to the status of you, Joey, and in your mind J?

@Smarg being at L-1: That happened really freaking quickly; Joey, why did you support Ryker's plan even though you had Smarg in the green on your list, and it specifically said not to kill your top scum pick KevinM? Do you plan on still sticking to Ryker's plan?

****. So J's list is right that we only have three power roles left, and two of them depend on the person being lynched or nked for them to find out =/

@J: Why put Cello at L-1 right now? Smarg is right that forcing Cello to claim isn't going to do anything because there aren't really any power roles left to claim. So of we put him to L-1, all we are doing is saying we've decided on Cello's lynch. If that's the case, if we are sure we want Cello to be the lynch for toDay, then that's fine, Cello really hasn't done anything pro-town in a long time. But I want to make sure that you know that L-1 basically=commitment to lynching Cello.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, do you think Smarg with-holding info from null people good? I mean, it seems weird that she would only have two town reads, and everyone else null to her. (Besides her acclaimed scum picks) There is a big chance that most of them could be town.

Is that a poorly thought out reason?

She stated herself that she has no scum picks in that post. So she has no reason at ALL to withhold information.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ryker, you gonna take your vote off smarg bud?

July, I want Cello lynched and therefore am good with him being at L-1.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker why shouldn't we lynch KevinM though? That guy has been an extremly laid back "sidelines" kind of guy. There is absolutly nothing from him which suggests to me that he's a townie so I want to see your reasoning for this.

He's been less scummy than the picks mentioned below him. He isn't as on the sidelines as you all are saying. I have more stances from him than Smarg and July combined. FYI, I forgot your name on the don't lynch this guy list. It should be there.

 

[ranmaru]

Screw it, I'm the voyeur. I watched Ryker last night. He was targetted by the reporter.

**** you have to die now... Will explain soon. *Checks open setup*

 

[#HBC | J]

Ran is trying to deny a Voyeur claim in an open set-up.

Alright then.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, you gonna take your vote off smarg bud?

July, I want Cello lynched and therefore am good with him being at L-1.

Yeah, I was catching up. Unvote Gonna finish reading to avoid accidental hammer.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I love all the night attention. Makes me feel like a pretty cool guy. Also, I didn't know I was so close to done. Gonna wait on Ran to finish before I vote Cello. Then I don't care about him being at L-1.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran is trying to deny a Voyeur claim in an open set-up.

Alright then.

Yes I am. I'm the Town Voyeur.

 

[#HBC | J]

*grabs popcorn*

This outta be good, Ryker/Joey/Smarg, what some?

 

[smargaret]

Yeah. Whoever visited Ryker should be able to confirm me as the voyeur. And if Ran really is the town voyeur, why isn't he voting me?


Unvote
Vote: Ran

 

[#HBC | J]

Lynch Smarg then but let's let Ran talk.

 

[#HBC | J]

*facepalm*

I'm just gonna wait and let Ran vs. Smarg go about for a bit then comment.

 

[ranmaru]

I was already voting you, Smarg.

Yeah. I looked at Kevin, and he wasn't at home.

 

[smargaret]

Well, then let's see what Kevin says, and whether or not my info is good.

 

[#HBC | J]

*forgot to offer*

Gord you want popcorn as well?

 

[July]

*facepalm*

I'm just gonna wait and let Ran vs. Smarg go about for a bit then comment.

This. I want to see how this plays out. Also, need to look back at something.

 

[ranmaru]

You don't have info. And no one can confirm you as voyeur because there is only 1 voyeur, and that is me.

 

[#HBC | J]

I was already voting you, Smarg.

Yeah. I looked at Kevin, and he wasn't at home.

lmao this is such a slip

*continues to watch*