Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[MagnesD3]

Another thing that this reveal really shook my "Luigi will be a starter" argument. While TL coooould be a starter, its not very likely. Therefore, its entirely possible that previously locked characters that revealed through promotions may still be unlocked.

When viewed this way, it is extremely likely we will have a Mewtwo or Lucario update next month.

I would be amazing if Lucario and Mewtwo were BOTH revealed in the same month (dreaming I know). The more time that sakurai keeps holding newcomers to his chest the more I think he will only start to let them out near the release date... the teasing could be eternal...

 

[Arcadenik]

Well, I guess the revelation of the dual role Toon Link has will change some of the current speculation there is for some of the other characters, so yay?

Toad and Ridley confirmed.

If Toon Link can be playable and be part of the stage background... then Toad can be playable and be part of Peach's moveset... and Ridley can be playable and be a stage hazard.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Toad and Ridley confirmed.

If Toon Link can be playable and be part of the stage background... then Toad can be playable and be part of Peach's moveset... and Ridley can be playable and be a stage hazard.

The funny part of it all is that it would make sense with both of them, just as it does with Toon Link. Toads are a species, so it could simply be any random Toad Peach pulls out from who knows where, and the stage hazard Ridley (if there even is one) would be the Other M Ridley clone, which would make room for the real Ridley to be a playable character.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Toad and Ridley confirmed.

If Toon Link can be playable and be part of the stage background... then Toad can be playable and be part of Peach's moveset... and Ridley can be playable and be a stage hazard.

I can stand behind that logic!!

I think that we could possibly "predict" character reveals based on when new installments will be released. Olimar, Luigi, and Toon Link was like this - who is to say it won't happen with others? Quick, someone look through all the upcoming release dates!!!! When does Tropical Freeze come out? We could see Diddy or possibly DK newcomer.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Hmmm... It's hard to tell if Toon Link simply got high priority because of WW HD but it definitely looks like some of these characters might just be farther along then we anticipated. But yeah, Toon Link... There goes one argument. Now let's get jigglypuff for an X and Y update! >:D Either way this is not the most exciting reveal Sakurai could come up with but it's certainly surprising. Well I'm excited to play as him because Toon Link is basically Link, except funner to play in almost every way...

 

[Espio264]

Toon Link revealed before Yoshi? All bets are off ladies and gentlemen. Back to the drawing board.

Also, I miss Yoshi.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So folks...

You think we'll get a Zelda related reveal on Thursday?

That banner went away AWFUL quickly.

 

[Bajef8]

So instead of getting facts straight, you step into the lion's den with barbecue sauce to pour on yourself and rock to throw at the lion.

NEVER did I say Jigglypuff has no "right" to be in Smash, and no, I'm not putting quotations to say that she "doesn't have one", I'm putting quotations BECAUSE IT'S A POINT I WAS NEVER ARGUING. Do you ****ing get that now?

As for "not quoting the part about Mewtwo" YOU ****ING EDITED YOUR POST. It was NOT there when I hit the quote button, and it was a point I DID NOT SEE. Anything else you want to say to piss me off more? You're already at a point I want to knock your teeth in.

Actually, I'm glad it wasn't there before; it's nothing but bull****.
Mewtwo was not "dropped" for Lucario; Mewtwo was planned for the game. And just like Jigglypuff, Mewtwo was low priority. The only difference is, when push came to shove, Mewtwo had to scrapped while Jigglypuff could stay. Low priority does not mean "gonna be cut", it means "if they have to be cut, they will be". Jigglypuff was one of the three that were lucky to not have to have been cut.
Aside from that, Lucario's situation now does not match Mewtwo's and Jigglypuff's before. Lucario is STILL a "hot ticket"; it's still being heavily marketed and getting promotion.
And with Mewtwo being more of a "hot ticket", that leaves Jigglypuff in the same problems as it had pre-Brawl.

So yes, when it comes down to it, Mewtwo and Lucario will outprioritize Jigglypuff next go round. At that point, as long as Sakurai doesn't find interest in any of the Unova or Kalos Pokémon, Jiggs should still be able to squeak by barring any time issues that require low priority characters to be scrapped from development (as the case for Brawl).

And no, you can't just assume he's only talking about NEW characters in his statement, that's stupid. Especially since he also says that he looks to Pokémon that are in the anime; ones that are in movies as of recent; ones that will be central to any conversation of Pokémon going forward. What you quoted is just an addition to it, as in it's not enough that a certain Pokémon is getting spotlight, they have to also be unique and be feasible.
Example, in Melee's time, Entei was the "hot ticket" movie Pokémon. But Entei is not suited for Smash due to an improper body type. So regardless of being a recent movie star, he isn't feasible.
And really, if Jigglypuff's history was as strong a point as you think it is, Jigglypuff would not have been low priority at all.

And so it's finally clear to you; I'm not saying Jigglypuff SHOULD be cut. I'm saying that she easily COULD be.

umad bro? Haha I have no idea why people defending Puff upsets you. I agree with your final statement as I always have.

Also Toon Link laughs in the face of those "low priority" arguments. Woooooot.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I told you he wasn't getting cut you ****ing clone nazis

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Shut the f...ront door! I don't believe it! This early?!

The Wind Waker HD is being released, so he had to be revealed sooner or later.

Toon Link?! What the hell are you doing on the starter roster? You're supposed to be unlockable. Now we have two Links on the starter roster this time. What does Toon Link's early confirmation mean for the Zelda roster?

Just because a character is revealed early doesn't necessarily mean that he/she is a starter. Mega Man is third party, so he's likely to be an unlockable, and having Luigi as an unlockable is a major staple to the Smash Bros. series.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I did looked up for some upcoming games. For the 3DS, Pokemon X/Y is coming out on October 12th,which is usually when a character has been revealed. I am 100% certain we will see a Pokemon character revealed - be it Trainer, Jiggz, Lucario, or Mewtwo. Mewtwo has my bet.

On November 22nd, A Link between Worlds is to be release in North America. It has TBA listed in Japan. I expect to see Zelda and/or Shiek revealed then.

Finally, in NA, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze will be released on the 6th. It says November 2013 for Japan. If they go by the NA release, its possible we could get a Diddy reveal.

This all based on if only veterans are revealed on promotional days.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I did looked up for some upcoming games. For the 3DS, Pokemon X/Y is coming out on October 12th,which is usually when a character has been revealed. I am 100% certain we will see a Pokemon character revealed - be it Trainer, Jiggz, Lucario, or Mewtwo. Mewtwo has my bet.

On November 22nd, A Link between Worlds is to be release in North America. It has TBA listed in Japan. I expect to see Zelda and/or Shiek revealed then.

Finally, in NA, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze will be released on the 6th. It says November 2013 for Japan. If they go by the NA release, its possible we could get a Diddy reveal.

This all based on if only veterans are revealed on promotional days.

Don't forget Sonic and his new game by the later half of October.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hahahaa, Now I'm starting to think Luigi and Toon Link will be unlockables.

 

[Gune]

Toon link is now here, I really expect to see Wolf, Lucario and Ike soon seems he wants to throw a wrench in peoples cut category.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Toon link is now here, I really expect to see Wolf, Lucario and Ike soon seems he wants to throw a wrench in peoples cut category.

Or he just shamelessly advertises for Wind Waker HD.

 

[zauberdragon]

Toon Link? Really Sakurai? Don't get me wrong I was one of the people saying he'd still be in the game and can't help but feel a tiny bit smug for sticking to my guns but he's been announced now? Touché Sakurai.

I think it just shows that new release announcements are going to be the norm with a Pokemon coming in the next few weeks. Where the release line up seems lacking, a situation similar to the Peach reveal looks likely. I honestly did not see this coming so soon. Just as I was getting a little tired of seemingly boring updates we get this.

 

[Gune]

Or he just shamelessly advertises for Wind Waker HD.

Well then let's shamelessly advertise my boy Lucario.

 

[Frostwraith]

So, these are the reveal dates for each character:

July 12, 2013 - Olimar - Pikmin 3 Japanese release
August 7, 2013 - Luigi - Close to Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Bros. North American release
September 12, 2013 - Peach - Super Mario Bros. Japanese Anniversary
September 26, 2013 - Toon Link - Zelda: Wind Waker HD Japanese release date

Not to assume a pattern, but could it mean that the characters are being revealed in dates relevant to them? Four cases in a row seems viable enough for to assume pattern, and I'm not the kind of person to look hard into this sort of thing.

 

[?????????????]

Ha ha ha ha ha! Toon Link is BACK! I had my doubts, but I never stopped supporting his return and never removed him from my rosters.

This makes me a lot more hopeful for veterans in general.

 

[splat]

Not to assume a pattern, but could it mean that the characters are being revealed in dates relevant to them? Four cases in a row seems viable enough for to assume pattern, and I'm not the kind of person to look hard into this sort of thing.

My thoughts exactly.

Based on this pattern, these may or may not be the next characters that will be announced:
Mewtwo (or any other character from the Pokémon franchise) - 12 October
Sonic - 29 October
Zelda (or any other character from the Zelda franchise) - 22 September (note 1: This game has no launch date for Japan yet - note 2: Mario 3D World is launched on the same date)

 

[Bajef8]

I told you he wasn't getting cut you ****ing clone nazis

2 Links isn't important to rep they said.
Replace him with Tingle or Impa they said.
Keeping Toon Link around wasn't gonna happen they said.

He's back son!

Ha ha ha ha ha! Toon Link is BACK! I had my doubts, but I never stopped supporting his return and never removed him from my rosters.

This makes me a lot more hopeful for veterans in general.

Such as Jiggs.

 

[?????????????]

Such as Jiggs.

Jiggs? I never thought Jiggs wouldn't make it.

 

[Bajef8]

Jiggs? I never thought Jiggs wouldn't make it.

Same. But people still seem to claim her chances aren't that great. I think this reveal actually strengthens her chances.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I personally don't doubt Jigglypuff's chances one bit, in fact, I wouldn't mind her being shown next month, though I do still believe it'll be Pokémon Trainer.

 

[Gune]

Same. But people still seem to claim her chances aren't that great. I think this reveal actually strengthens her chances.

It stregnthens a lot of peoples chances.

 

[Bajef8]

It stregnthens a lot of peoples chances.

Oh yeah totally. He was seen as one of the most expendable people from the Brawl list. Now that he's been shown, many people will be rethinking cuts they made to their personal rosters.

 

[Gune]

Oh yeah totally. He was seen as one of the most expendable people from the Brawl list. Now that he's been shown, many people will be rethinking cuts they made to their personal rosters.

Yeah but watch Lucario Jigglypuff and Ike shoot bm right up to the most likely cuts...again...

 

[Arcanir]

Toon Link, buddy, I'm so glad you're back!

And again, there goes our assumptions, hopefully this shows that we can't read too much into these situations not that it'll stop.

 

[MagnesD3]

Yeah but watch Lucario Jigglypuff and Ike shoot bm right up to the most likely cuts...again...

No cuts seem more likely than cuts at this point after that reveal.

 

[BluePikmin11]

When you think about Toon Link would be very easy to develop after making Link, so Sakurai could promote Wind Waker pretty quickly.

 

[Deleted member]

At first since the Toon Link page hadn't be uploaded on the American site by the time I woke up, I thought Toon Link was gone. Luckily, the Japanese page had Toon Link on it.

I'm glad for any confirmation of potential cuts making it back and that includes Toon Link. Would be great if Sakurai blindsided the community again and confirmed Lucario next month.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Ha HA! Toon Link is revealed! You guys know what this means? You know what this deliciously means?

The characters' priority from Brawl means nothing.

Here we have one of the very last additions in Brawl, now being one of the very first reveals in SSB4. You know what else that means? Folks like Jigglypuff and Wolf aren't hanging over the chopping block as much as some people here used to think. Sakurai's views of character priority do change from game to game, it seems, between the newcomer Villager and the now early Toon Link, meaning that being late in Brawl's files has no standing on who will get in at this point! Awesome!

 

[Bajef8]

Toon Link, buddy, I'm so glad you're back!

And again, there goes our assumptions, hopefully this shows that we can't read too much into these situations not that it'll stop.

Well maybe your's and a couple others' assumptions. Not mine. My "assumptions" are no cuts, so we'll see how that flies as the game gets closer to release.

Ha HA! Toon Link is revealed! You guys know what this means? You know what this deliciously means?

The characters' priority from Brawl means nothing.

Here we have one of the very last additions in Brawl, now being one of the very first reveals in SSB4. You know what else that means? Folks like Jigglypuff and Wolf aren't hanging over the chopping block as much as some people here used to think. Sakurai's views of character priority do change from game to game, it seems, between the newcomer Villager and the now early Toon Link, meaning that being late in Brawl's files has no standing on who will get in at this point! Awesome!

That's what I'm saying, as I stated above with my "Toon Link laughs in the face off the 'low priority' argument" statement. This is by far the best and most insightful reveal yet.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

No one can be happier at this reveal than me and Falkoopa. He looks so amazing! Dem Catlike eyes!

And it seems that he's going to be keeping, so far, his spin attack, arrows, and his bombs. YAY!

How dare you say me and Johnknight can't be as happy as you two at this reveal!

I think I'm gonna have to change my avatar soon. XD my avatars change too often, and I had at least two others I planned to use soon.

But forget those, I'm using Toon Link.

 

[TheTuninator]

Haha, there go a lot of rosters! Now we're getting some interesting reveals.

 

[Knight Dude]

Well, I woke up to find that Toon Link was revealed. So that's pretty cool I guess, I did use him more. But I figured that he would have been screwed over somehow.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Fuuuuuudge.

I was hoping that at least he'd have a revamped moveset but it looks like he still has his bow.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I hope Sonic is revealed this October..

 

[KingofPhantoms]

This gives me some more hopes for the Jiggs as well.

Heh, can you imagine if next month broke the pattern and we got to see Mewtwo (and/or Lucario) Jigglypuff, and Pokemon Trainer all in one trailer?

 

[ChronoBound]

Really happy that Toon Link was confirmed to return. He was perhaps the one Brawl Nintendo character on the thinnest ice as far returning for Smash 4 was concerned, yet he ended up being confirmed only a few months after Smash 4's unveil.

Incredible.

Wind Waker is one of my favorite games in the Zelda series too, so I welcome him back with open arms. Congrats to all the Toon Link fans, you fought a good long fight, especially considering all the people picking on him for being a Melee-style clone. However, looks like he will definitely be a part of the Smash 4 roster.