Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Bajef8]

I think sakurai saw some of the backlash From cutting mewtwo and Roy. I believe he will right those wrongs and keep the cast from brawl but this could mean receiving less newcomers which I am also afraid of.

I'd be completely OK with having a roster that saves everyone from Brawl and added back Mewtwo and even Roy, I sure miss the guy. Even if that means we only get 7-10ish new characters. Call me weird, but I like when unique and deserving faces return.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I'd be completely OK with having a roster that saves everyone from Brawl and added back Mewtwo and even Roy, I sure miss the guy. Even if that means we only get 7-10ish new characters. Call me weird, but I like when unique and deserving faces return.

You're weird.

 

[Shorts]

I would love Pac, Sonic, Snake, and Megaman cut. So we get four more Ninty characters.

 

[Morbi]

I'd be completely OK with having a roster that saves everyone from Brawl and added back Mewtwo and even Roy, I sure miss the guy. Even if that means we only get 7-10ish new characters. Call me weird, but I like when unique and deserving faces return.

I agree. I would much rather a dedicated roster attempting to salvage the characters everyone loves. The newcomers aren't as important to me.

 

[Zhadgon]

Hey guys, what do you think of this roster?

.n_n.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I would love Pac, Sonic, Snake, and Megaman cut. So we get four more Ninty characters.

Ninten?

 

[Seraphim.]

I'd be completely OK with having a roster that saves everyone from Brawl and added back Mewtwo and even Roy, I sure miss the guy. Even if that means we only get 7-10ish new characters. Call me weird, but I like when unique and deserving faces return.

I would be ok with that.

 

[Chandeelure]

Hey guys, what do you think of this roster?

.n_n.

I like it ,except for Tingle and Harry.
Dillon would be cool.
Where is Bandana Dee?

 

[Shorts]

You can't just ignore X mewtwo.

Yes he sucks, but he's here now.

 

[Gune]

Ugh...another pokemon cut topic... *sigh* I'll just say what I always say in this situation no one from pokemon is guaranteed to come back except pikachu, PT can get cut Jigglypuff can get cut and Lucario can get cut, veteran status doesent make you immune to it being the face of your franchise does.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The only thing that I think still keeps the whole "Jigglypuff being low priority" theory alive is that she only appears after the SSE is beaten, with no role in the story. Even then, there is the fact that Sakurai may have just chosen her to be excluded from the main story and just act as a bonus character of sorts. Heck, he probably planned for some bonus characters in the SSE and could've just chosen her to be one of them.

 

[N3ON]

Mewtwo was poorly received because he was bottom tier. So that is a little irrelevant.

Mewtwo was not just poorly received by people with knowledge of the tiers. Hardly. People didn't like his moveset in general, and it was a complaint among Smashers in general, not just those with competitive knowledge. He wasn't a popular Smash character, people even wanted him cut. That is until he actually was cut. People forget how poorly Mewtwo was received pre-Brawl, and not just from the dedicated Smash community. Why do you think he was prioritized behind clones (but not all clones)? Why do you think he was the only original newcomer to Melee on the chopping block? Sakurai doesn't care for tier placement, but overall character popularity is something he listens to.

At the same time, I think Trainer is on the chopping block. If Sakurai knows that cuts must be made; however, he wants to limit the cuts as much as possible? He will cut Pokemon Trainer. Kill 3 birds with one stone. Trainer takes 3, arguably 4 characters development time. So by cutting Trainer, he is limiting the roster by 1... but cutting the characters by 3 (4). This is what a reasonable developer would do. Especially considering that Trainer creates a disproportionate saturation of Pokemon reps.

Sakurai made cuts last time, but the two-in-one transformation character was spared, even though half of that transformation was largely unimportant at the time of Brawl. If Sakurai cared for ease of implementation above the characters themselves, he wouldn't opt to include programming and gimmick heavy characters like he has before.

I think with the knowledge that Sakurai isn't one to try and save himself effort, he clearly goes above and beyond for his games, unless he is doing a massive trimming of the roster (in which case I still think both Jiggs and Lucario would go before Trainer), he's going to do his utmost to keep the Trainer, a character he's wanted for two games now, and the actual protagonist of Pokemon. Sure, he takes more effort to include, that I'm not debating, but Sakurai has never skimped from effort, and he doesn't seem to be in such a time crunch that he'd change precedent.

You don't know that. Besides, Jigglypuff has an insanely easy design, and for all we know she is always one of the latter characters made. Doesn't mean she isn't important. She's Smash important.

Well... in Melee Sakurai confirmed she wasn't one of the latter characters made... because he told us the clones were the latter characters made. In Brawl, from Jigglypuff's lack of SSE role to placement in the data as well as in some roll calls, it's clear she wasn't in the initial wave of characters included. And yes, she's "Smash important", I agree, but that only goes so far. Pokemon Trainer is now "Smash important" (maybe not to the same extent), but he's also main-series important and his Pokemon are just plain series staples at this point. Plus, I still don't see why Sakurai would shift priority around without cause.

 

[Shorts]

She was added late, it's not really a theory. But, it doesn't matter.

 

[Bajef8]

Hey guys, what do you think of this roster?

.n_n.

It's not bad, but a couple of the choices make me cringe.
-Lack of a 5th Mario rep or Poke rep
-Cutting a 2nd form of Link and replacing him w/ Tingle, repping 2 Links is important to Zelda
-No new additions to the FE cast
-Cutting Wolf, Lucario, Lucas and Toon Link (though the cuts you made make sense, besides Lucas, I just don't want any)
-Harry? Who is that?
-Pac-Man ain't happening, especially not when he isn't his regular, iconic self
-Very doubtful of Dillon
-2 KI reps annoys the crap out of me, but Palutena is the one to add if it gets 2
-Miis = -___-

 

[Arcanir]

The only thing that I think still keeps the whole "Jigglypuff being low priority" theory alive is that she only appears after the SSE is beaten, with no role in the story. Even then, there is the fact that Sakurai may have just chosen her to be excluded from the main story and just act as a bonus character of sorts. Heck, he probably planned for some bonus characters in the SSE and could've just chosen her to be one of them.

She also was low on the data list, only beating Wolf IIRC.

 

[Zhadgon]

I like it ,except for Tingle and Harry.
Dillon would be cool.
Where is Bandana Dee?

Tingle moveset wise (I prefer him than other clone XD) and no one likes poor Harry (but is a badass, cool, amazing, big red robot ).
Bandana Dee (is DLC or Assist Trophy ).
.n_n.

 

[BKupa666]

From what I observed, not everyone wanted Mewtwo gone, but the ones who did were vocal motherf**kers, to the point where, if I remember correctly, Serebii Joe made a petition begging for the removal of Mewtwo. Meanwhile, the people who wanted him back just assumed he was a given because of his unique moveset. Now, the shoe seems to be on the other foot in terms of which group is louder.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I guess my opinion is pretty different.
My attitude is that the truly important characters (Mario, Link, Samus, Pikachu, Kirby etc.) will never ever be cut as they are some of the key nintendo figures, they game wont be complete without them. Other characters, might have a good reason for being dropped off the roster. For me, that's okay because those characters become a unique treat exclusive the smash game(s) they starred in. Its a nice change to see if you like to replay older games every now and then for something different. I like seeing Roy, Mewtwo, young link, and pichu in melee. They're something that gives melee a different flavor from brawl. And I'm okay with brawl following suit.

Had cuts been completely off the table, we likely would never see some of the beloved character we have in brawl. And that enjoyment of going back to past games would nearly be non-existent.

 

[Morbi]

Mewtwo was not just poorly received by people with knowledge of the tiers. Hardly. People didn't like his moveset in general, and it was a complaint among Smashers in general, not just those with competitive knowledge. He wasn't a popular Smash character, people even wanted him cut. That is until he actually was cut. People forget how poorly Mewtwo was received pre-Brawl, and not just from the dedicated Smash community. Why do you think he was prioritized behind clones (but not all clones)? Why do you think he was the only original newcomer to Melee on the chopping block? Sakurai doesn't care for tier placement, but overall character popularity is something he listens to.



Sakurai made cuts last time, but the two-in-one transformation character was spared, even though half of that transformation was largely unimportant at the time of Brawl. If Sakurai cared for ease of implementation above the characters themselves, he wouldn't opt to include programming and gimmick heavy characters like he has before.

I think with the knowledge that Sakurai isn't one to try and save himself effort, he clearly goes above and beyond for his games, unless he is doing a massive trimming of the roster (in which case I still think both Jiggs and Lucario would go before Trainer), he's going to do his utmost to keep the Trainer, a character he's wanted for two games now, and the actual protagonist of Pokemon. Sure, he takes more effort to include, that I'm not debating, but Sakurai has never skimped from effort, and he doesn't seem to be in such a time crunch that he'd change precedent.


Well... in Melee Sakurai confirmed she wasn't one of the latter characters made... because he told us the clones were the latter characters made. In Brawl, from Jigglypuff's lack of SSE role to placement in the data as well as in some roll calls, it's clear she wasn't in the initial wave of characters included. And yes, she's "Smash important", I agree, but that only goes so far. Pokemon Trainer is now "Smash important" (maybe not to the same extent), but he's also main-series important and his Pokemon are just plain series staples at this point. Plus, I still don't see why Sakurai would shift priority around without cause.

I just meant that Mewtwo was not well recieved because he was bottom tier. I just mean to allude to the notion that he wasn't a very good character. I don't mean that people didn't like him just because he was bottom. I meant people didn't like him because he is hard to use. His raw potential and popularity has no correlation to his move-set. That was all I was getting at. People wanted him cut because he wasn't "fun" not because they don't like Mewtwo.

I agree with the Pokemon Trainer. You are actually the first person who convinced me that Pokemon Trainer isn't going to be the first priority to cut. Before I read this, I was fairly positive that he had no chance. So thank you for that. It is nice to read something aside from the generic arguments.

His priority has definitely switched. I like to use the Villager example.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

She also was low on the data list, only beating Wolf IIRC.

There is that, yeah.

 

[N3ON]

No, most people didn't actually want Mewtwo gone (at least, not most sensible people) they just wanted him improved upon. But he was one of the least-positively received characters, that much is true.

I doubt Sakurai cared one bit about the people that requested Mewtwo cut, he just realized people didn't care to much for Mewtwo so he prioritized him towards the bottom. And he would've likely made it in too, if not for Sonic. So clearly a few dumb people writing Sakurai letters and making petitions wouldn't keep him out, but general lukewarm to negative reception would at least prioritize him beneath most other characters.

 

[Morbi]

You can't just ignore X mewtwo.

Yes he sucks, but he's here now.

I thought I hated Mewtwo Y. I am now a huge fan of Mewtwo Y when I compare him with Mewtwo X. That design is just horrible. Mewtwo X is the only Mega Evolution that I don't like.

 

[Gune]

She was added late, it's not really a theory. But, it doesn't matter.

We don't exactly know that it doesent matter, for all we now it could possibly be her downfall.

 

[Bajef8]

I thought Mewtwo was fun to use, just not very practical, good vs most other characters, and lacking in his specials (Side & Down B). I loved seeing him use psychic powers to launch people with his throws, carry things with no hands, and just basically float everywhere.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I was talking about Smash. 150 Pokemon aren't in Smash, bro. Jigglypuff was.


No. I specifically put my reason in parenthesis (her player base was expanded). I did that so no one would be stupid enough to claim that ANY character should stay based on tier. LOL. I need to show this to my sister.


I addressed your last point 4 or 5 times now. You are a different breed of stupid. You can disagree with me, but you can't just ignore what I type and expect me to reiterate my perspective.

You said her being high tier "expands her player base." How does that equal "you can't claim anyone can stay based on tier?" You addressed that point a few times to other people, you never did to me, so I didn't notice. You can't expect me to pay attention to all your comments when they're not even directed to me. Another thing, I don't think they're planning on cutting anyone, I just think that if there's not enough time to bring everyone back that Jigglypuff would be the first to go.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I thought I hated Mewtwo Y. I am now a huge fan of Mewtwo Y when I compare him with Mewtwo X. That design is just horrible. Mewtwo X is the only Mega Evolution that I don't like.

Really? Megamewtwo X is the reason I'm getting Pokemon X as opposed to Y. I love it, design and all.

 

[Zhadgon]

It's not bad, but a couple of the choices make me cringe.
-Lack of a 5th Mario rep or Poke rep
-Cutting a 2nd form of Link and replacing him w/ Tingle, repping 2 Links is important to Zelda
-No new additions to the FE cast
-Cutting Wolf, Lucario, Lucas and Toon Link (though the cuts you made make sense, besides Lucas, I just don't want any)
-Harry? Who is that?
-Pac-Man ain't happening, especially not when he isn't his regular, iconic self
-Very doubtful of Dillon
-2 KI reps annoys the crap out of me, but Palutena is the one to add if it gets 2
-Miis = -___-

If I were to add a Mario Rep would be Bowser Jr. and if I would add a Pokemon Rep it would be Lucario (but with a limited roster of 45 is difficult XD).
Maybe Sakurai is moving on with the idea and he will see that reping the same character twice and with the same moveset is overkill especially with a limited roster.
Ugh difficult if I were to add another Fire Emblem Rep it would be Roy, but again with a limited roster of 45 slots is getting hard, so DLC will be for me.
Lucas I know he is different and is in a situation that I don't like (Earthbound for being a small series compared to other I think only deserve one Rep and I choose Ness because of his veteran status, again is for the limited 45 slots).
Harry... the good old Harry, is character that born in the Virtual Boy and never see the light after that.
But Namco is working in Smash, and lets not forget that he has appear in the arcade of Mario Kart, so that makes him still relevant.
Personal choice for Dillon I must say (I know Starfy is in a better place but still like more Dillon as a character than Starfy).
I know I should cut the head off of Palutena maybe change the rolls with the Earthbound characters.
Miis yeah, what can I say they have become HUGE for Nintendo (even bigger than Ridley and thats something to say).
.n_n.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Mewtwo is a fun character to me, though, I can see why others weren't too fond of him.


On the topic of Jigglypuff, let's try and avoid jumping to the conclusion that her possibly being low priority in Brawl means that she'll be low priority again or means that she is likely to be removed, though I'm not certain it means nothing either. I for one don't think there is a way to tell.

Of course, I do know there are others things that could mean her chances for the next game are lower.

 

[Morbi]

You said her being high tier "expands her player base." How does that equal "you can't claim anyone can stay based on tier?" You addressed that point a few times to other people, you never did to me, so I didn't notice. You can't expect me to pay attention to all your comments when they're not even directed to me. Another thing, I don't think they're planning on cutting anyone, I just think that if there's not enough time to bring everyone back that Jigglypuff would be the first to go.

What? I emphasized the point I wanted to make by putting it in parenthesis. That is all. I took my main point, then I broke it down. I didn't mean to mislead you.


I read all of the comments on here. Not just the ones directed at me. So that was my own personal experience speaking. Apologies, It was ignorant of me to assume that everyone operates in a similar fashion.

 

[Deleted member]

My God, even after the huge ****ing essay I made about the subject of Jigglypuff and Pokémon in general (including how Sakurai picks out the Pokémon roster) about a month ago (if it even was that long), people are still saying the same old tired ****.

"Hurp Original 12"
"Important to Smash because bluh just is"
"Lucario and Pokémon Trainer would be cut first since durr they be newer"
"Mewtwo was cut instead in Brawl; that means ZORT Jiggs is here to stay"


Not even Displeased Mufasa is suitable for my thoughts are with this.
At least someone last page got the right idea, that Jiggs is inevitably going to be a lower priority to other Pokémon characters both veteran and newcomer alike (if there is to be any), but is not necessarily going to be cut. Just a very possible one.

 

[Bajef8]

If I were to add a Mario Rep would be Bowser Jr. and if I would add a Pokemon Rep it would be Lucario (but with a limited roster of 45 is difficult XD).
Maybe Sakurai is moving on with the idea and he will see that reping the same character twice and with the same moveset is overkill especially with a limited roster.
Ugh difficult if I were to add another Fire Emblem Rep it would be Roy, but again with a limited roster of 45 slots is getting hard, so DLC will be for me.
Lucas I know he is different and is in a situation that I don't like (Earthbound for being a small series compared to other I think only deserve one Rep and I choose Ness because of his veteran status, again is for the limited 45 slots).
Harry... the good old Harry, is character that born in the Virtual Boy and never see the light after that.
But Namco is working in Smash, and lets not forget that he has appear in the arcade of Mario Kart, so that makes him still relevant.
Personal choice for Dillon I must say (I know Starfy is in a better place but still like more Dillon as a character than Starfy).
I know I should cut the head off of Palutena maybe change the rolls with the Earthbound characters.
Miis yeah, what can I say they have become HUGE for Nintendo (even bigger than Ridley and thats something to say).
.n_n.

I'm not understanding why you think 45 should be your limit, especially with a couple of oddball choices. Sakurai said he was planning on getting everything in the game he wanted, then DLC would come later, so it's not smart to make a slim roster and then justify that by saying DLC will fix that.

Namco working on SMash has very little to do with Pac-Man getting in. I don't doubt he may be an AT or have a stage, but he isn't gonna be a character. 2D Pac is his iconic form, not the 3D abomination that came out. 2D Pac is the one that would make it, and then, he would really have to try very hard to make a emotionless, no personality blob seem fun to play.

Miis are big, no doubt, but Nintendo All-Stars? No.

2 Links is something Sakurai has seen (and hopefully continues to see) as important to represent, and Zelda buffs would agree. You need Adult and Child Link. Whoop-de-friggin-doo if they're clones. A Child Link is much more important to Zelda than Tingle.

 

[Chandeelure]

Tingle moveset wise (I prefer him than other clone XD) and no one likes poor Harry (but is a badass, cool, amazing, big red robot ).
Bandana Dee (is DLC or Assist Trophy ).
.n_n.

XD

 

[Morbi]

My God, even after the huge ****ing essay I made about the subject of Jigglypuff and Pokémon in general (including how Sakurai picks out the Pokémon roster) about a month ago (if it even was that long), people are still saying the same old tired ****.

"Hurp Original 12"
"Important to Smash because bluh just is"
"Lucario and Pokémon Trainer would be cut first since durr they be newer"
"Mewtwo was cut instead in Brawl; that means ZORT Jiggs is here to stay"


Not even Displeased Mufasa is suitable for my thoughts are with this.
At least someone last page got the right idea, that Jiggs is inevitably going to be a lower priority to other Pokémon characters both veteran and newcomer alike (if there is to be any), but is not necessarily going to be cut. Just a very possible one.

Yes. That would be a different opinion. It doesn't make yours any more valid. Unless Sakurai explicitly stated that Jigglypuff is going to have a lower priority for some arbitrary reason.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

What? I emphasized the point I wanted to make by putting it in parenthesis. That is all. I took my main point, then I broke it down. I didn't mean to mislead you.




I read all of the comments on here. Not just the ones directed at me. So that was my own personal experience speaking. Apologies, It was ignorant of me to assume that everyone operates in a similar fashion.

No problem, man.

 

[Bajef8]

My God, even after the huge ****ing essay I made about the subject of Jigglypuff and Pokémon in general (including how Sakurai picks out the Pokémon roster) about a month ago (if it even was that long), people are still saying the same old tired ****.

"Hurp Original 12"
"Important to Smash because bluh just is"
"Lucario and Pokémon Trainer would be cut first since durr they be newer"
"Mewtwo was cut instead in Brawl; that means ZORT Jiggs is here to stay"


Not even Displeased Mufasa is suitable for my thoughts are with this.
At least someone last page got the right idea, that Jiggs is inevitably going to be a lower priority to other Pokémon characters both veteran and newcomer alike (if there is to be any), but is not necessarily going to be cut. Just a very possible one.

I'd like to point out that Sakurai said he picks the NEXT or NEWEST rep based on what is hot and what not. No where does he mention that means he would be cutting out previous Smash Pokemon. Even so, you could even come to the conclusion that Mewtwo was the hot ticket, then dropped for the next one, Lucario. Who's to say that even then, Lucario wouldn't just be dropped for the next big one?

Jiggs is a stupid argument that goes in circles anyway. Yeah she is not extremely safe and is a very possible cut. Does that mean she should be? I don't think so at all, for the very reasons you deem stupid or irrelevant. Seriously, it's obvious why she would be on the chopping block, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to return because NO ONE knows if she will but Sakurai. She's up in the air, in regards to how this specific community sees her situation. For all we know Sakurai may have even made her a priority this time. Everyone just wait and see what happens, dang.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes. That would be a different opinion. It doesn't make yours any more valid. Unless Sakurai explicitly stated that Jigglypuff is going to have a lower priority for some arbitrary reason.

Opinion?

Opinion?

Because it's a bloody opinion that Sakurai chooses Pokémon by marketability.
And it's opinion that Jigglypuff is nowhere near as marketable as it was in the past.
And it's also opinion that Jigglypuff as well as Mewtwo were lower priority characters in Brawl, around the time that coincidentally they both dropped a substantial degree of marketing.


No my friend, 'tis no opinion, 'tis logic.

I'd like to point out that Sakurai said he picks the NEXT or NEWEST rep based on what is hot and what not. No where does he mention that means he would be cutting out previous Smash Pokemon.

Jiggs is a stupid argument that goes in circles anyway. Yeah she is not extremely safe and is a very possible cut. Does that mean she should be? I don't think so at all, for the very reasons you deem stupid or irrelevant. Seriously, it's obvious why she would be on the chopping block, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have the right to return because NO ONE knows if she will but Sakurai. She's up in the air, in regards to how this specific community sees her situation. For all we know Sakurai may have even made her a priority this time. Everyone just wait and see what happens, dang.

I'd like to point out that Sakurai NEVER said that he picks the "newest" Pokémon characters, and that he DID in fact CUT OUT A PREVIOUS SMASH POKEMON THAT REALLY HAD NO REASON TO BE CUT OTHERWISE.

I'd also like to point out that I NEVER SAID JIGGLYPUFF WAS GOING TO BE CUT NOR THAT IT DOESN'T HOLD SOME "RIGHT" TO RETURN; JUST THAT IT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL OF SAFETY THAT PEOPLE CLAIM IT TO BE.

So I suggest if you're going to step into the lion's den while the lion's been particularly riled up, you get your facts straight first.

 

[Zhadgon]

I'm not understanding why you think 45 should be your limit, especially with a couple of oddball choices. Sakurai said he was planning on getting everything in the game he wanted, then DLC would come later, so it's not smart to make a slim roster and then justify that by saying DLC will fix that.

Namco working on SMash has very little to do with Pac-Man getting in. I don't doubt he may be an AT or have a stage, but he isn't gonna be a character. 2D Pac is his iconic form, not the 3D abomination that came out. 2D Pac is the one that would make it, and then, he would really have to try very hard to make a emotionless, no personality blob seem fun to play.

Miis are big, no doubt, but Nintendo All-Stars? No.

2 Links is something Sakurai has seen (and hopefully continues to see) as important to represent, and Zelda buffs would agree. You need Adult and Child Link. Whoop-de-friggin-doo if they're clones. A Child Link is much more important to Zelda than Tingle.

Because, how each game went in the roster? Smash 64 12 character slots, then Melee 25 character slots making it 13 more slots and then Brawl 35 character slots, so 10 more character slots were added, looking to the pattern it seems it would between 10 to 13 characters so my roster is with 45 character slots (keeping it at minimum) and believe me DLC is my last hope but if by any reason there is no DLC I still think the game would fill complete without it.
But Ice Climbers are not in 2D even if they were born in the NES era the same can be said for Ness and Lucas. Like I say Pac-Man is in Mario Kart Arcade as his 3D incarnation (even if you don´t like that one is still in use).
So WFT is a Nintendo All-Star for you but no Mii? I think you should revaluate of what you consider Nintendo All-Star and what not, just saying.
And again maybe this time Sakurai reconsider the idea about it and bring a new character to the series to keep it fresh.
.n_n.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

To be honest, I'm quite tired of seeing Jigglypuff discussions on this thread. I'm done with them after tonight.

Jigglypuff MAY not have been low priority in Brawl. True, she may have been low priority due to data placement, lack of a role in the SSE and what not. But was there much of a need to change her moveset much? She could've just been ported from Melee, which doesn't necessarily mean she was low priority. There wasn't too much they could do for her, nor was there much of a need to alter her moveset, or even animations. (aside from giving her new taunts and an FS) As for her SSE role, she may have just been chosen among others characters to be a bonus character of sorts in the SSE. I'm not saying this completely shoves the other arguments supporting her being low priority out of the way though, that's just my two cents.

Lastly, if she was low priority, that doesn't absolutely mean she will be again.

 

[Deleted member]

Logically, she wouldn't have been so late in the data if the thought process was that she was an easy add.
No, she'd be right up there with her fellow Smash 64 comrades.

So no, being an easy add =/= late in the data.
Game & Watch was a very easy add, probably even easier than Jigglypuff. Yet he's among the Melee vets and not with Mewtwo, Roy, or Dr. Mario at the tail end of the data.

And while being low priority before doesn't automatically mean the same will happen again, it's a matter of logic as to why Jigglypuff was low priority in the first place (same with Mewtwo). And it can really only be explained by how Sakurai decides on Pokémon characters, something we didn't know about until earlier this year.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I just realized I never critiqued this one.
Anyway, just looking at it, Ghirahim and Isa we've gone over hundreds of times already, also think we've gone over Adult Isaac, but other than that, not much really stands out as bad.

I still stand by those choices though, or if it has to be a mixed Isaac that is young adult.

But I do see where you are coming from, and understand your opinion.