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There's no version of Link to compete with really, adding Ancient Link would just be stupid "muh recency" crap. I think Dixie Kong is a much more important character and would take less time to develop as well as please DK fans almost just as much.
Well, then I guess we can't really cut anybody then.
In the situation people care more about movesets than characters themselves, Toon Link's moveset will still exist in heavier form for Link. This is a game, after all, not a friggin' fan fiction. I'm not allocating for Toon Link's removal at all, but don't speak out of ignorance by saying Toon Link is set for never being cut. He's easily the most expendable Zelda character for the reason that he's the only truly deliberate semi-clone in the roster.
I cut Jigglypuff from my roster, but people seem to see her as an untouchable God, and you're immoral for even thinking about removing it.
It's called being naive and inconsiderate. You'll get use to it.
Oh, I agree. I think she is in no way untouchable. But having this kind of roster already would tick people off, so I just cut Lucario instead.
If this is because of Rest, the people obviously didn't get the message that it got screwed up. Still, Jigglypuff is an original veteran, so I'm pretty sure that the puffball will come back.
I'll put it this way, betting against her is a bad idea, it's going to set up for disappointment time and time again >:3
Don't hide your completely reasonable opinions because people ***** and moan about it. It's not like we're qualified roster inspectors. People complain about Ninten, but I still use him sometimes, because this is the prediction thread, I put what I predict not what people want to see.
Except Mario. Those four are mainstays until the end of time.
You know, you're right. Fine, I'm changing my roster!
Kind of why I always kept Vaati.
Doesn't that seem rather ironic? I can understand Dr. Mario's removal, but Mewtwo's removal from Brawl seemed unnecessary.
Not immoral so much as perplexing. If you're going to remove her on terms of how she hasn't had a serious role in a game for over 10 years, why wouldn't we cut Captain Falcon and Ness then? Yes, they're important to their series, but the fact remains that they've had as much screen time as Jigglypuff has, if not less considering how you can still catch Jigglypuff in the wild in every game of Generations IV and V. Mother as a series has pretty much concluded and F-Zero is even more dormant a series than Star Fox (which is really saying something), meaning that all three essentially live off their veteranship in Smash Bros. to not be considered obscure.
She IS an untouchable Goddess and you ARE immoral for even thinking about removing her. That is coming from an unbiased source, such as myself. I don't main Jigglypuff and I don't even like it. So I am the perfect medium to explain this. I have no attachment to this magnificent creature, this beautiful creation, this divine and immaculate embodiment of Jesus.
I see your logic but considering that Jigglypuff was among the last minute sub space appearances, I don't think Sakurai agrees with you.
True. But I would like to think that Jigglypuff should not get in because she is no longer important to Pokemon anymore. Except the fairy argument, which is complete bull (Gardevoir for Sash, guys). At least Ness and Captain Falcon, in the little games they've had, are important in the games. But they are pretty similar if broken down.
However, things have changed from the time Brawl was being developed. It isn't logical to assume the same criteria would be used. As I mentioned in my Jigglypuff Gospel, cutting her in Brawl would have been slightly awkward. It wouldn't have been a detriment to the continuity though. If they decide to cut Jigglypuff NOW, after they already decided to put Jigglypuff in a 3rd game? That is only asserting that Sakurai does view her as important. Whether it is based on her OG status or not doesn't matter. She is a huge part of Smash now. Just like Captain Falcon and Ness.
Here's the thing, Smash bros should stay respectful to all of the series it represents while also keeping it's own standards. When character's movesets are changed they change it in a way that still stays true to the character, instead of say, adding in a **** load of moves due to MUH RECENCY. And while smash bros will continue to expand there is also a need to be true to their roots. Because if you like it or not there was once 12 characters, some may not consider the definitive best Nintendo had to offer but they all had their place. Jigglypuff has not earned her place through recency, but then again we might as well cut Ike for the same reasons, wouldn't you agree Saturn?
She is a smash fighter, a definitive smash character. Because even when so many other characters may be of more priority Sakurai will look back at Jigglypuff and make her get in over any other ideas he unfortunately doesn't have time for. And also... It's not like adding Jigglypuff's a hard thing to accomplish -_- they're basically building off the brawl engine any way.
As I already mentioned... Jigglypuff was considered later than the other original 12 because she wasn't a priority from the transition between Melee and Brawl. I assume that isn't the case anymore, Sakurai demonstrated that the characters were indeed significant enough to make it in Brawl. Now that the original 12 have been in 3 games as opposed to 2, they are now exponentially more important. They have established themselves as staples of the franchise.People seem to forget that Jiggly was last in priority for Brawl's data. If the Original 12 were so important, why is she so far back after everybody else? Or how about when Sakurai almost removed Ness in favor of Lucas?
Basically everyone else still has a reason to be there, but I am for her exclusion if necessary. In regards to her importance to Pokemon, it just isn't there anymore. Sure, she got the fairy type, but so did some other Pokemon. Just getting an additional type does not instantly make her super uber important.
Like I said. Jiggly isn't nearly as important as she once was.
I just made a roster with only Jiggly as a cut and no Palutena or Takamaru for a solid 44 character roster.
Ridley, K.Rool, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mega Man, Chrom, Shulk, Little Mac, Mewtwo and Wonder Red are the newcomers here. I just like Wonder Red a lot. Wonderful 101 is amazing and i'm obsessed right now. WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT?
K.Rool could be Dixie if you would rather. But either is fine to me.
There is absolutely no proof that that will change though. Zero. Fact is, she was number 39 out of 45ish, only beating out Doc, Roy, Mewtwo, etc... So I guess there is that. She beat out Mewtwo. But I am totally for cutting Jigglypuff. I don't think it will happen, but I'd be for it.
There is absolutely no proof that Sakurai still has the same criteria he did years ago. In fact, there is proof that his criteria has in fact changed. Villager is evidence of that. There is also the very notion that she DID make it in Brawl. Regardless of whether or not she was a last minute plan. She may have been 39 out of 45 from the transition between Melee and Brawl. I highly doubt it is the same from Brawl to Smash 4.
I've been limiting myself to 45 slots, so we have 49 characters in SSB4. Seems reasonable.
46 or 47 would be a reasonable size. But maximum? 50.
Well, that depends, really. Sakurai is going to keep adding characters until he can't anymore. Obviously, Pokemon should maintain equal ground with Mario. Who, realistically, can take her place for Pokemon? I, personally, think it's limited to Mewtwo and MAYBE Lucario. I can't think off a better lineup than Pikachu, Red, Mewtwo, Lucario, and Jiggles.
The only thing she has going for her is her status as a Fairy Type? I think you forgot about a dedicated decade in the franchise (10 years... probably older than a significant portion of the population that wants her cut). I know, Ad Hominem. I think you forgot about her tier in Melee (expands her player base). I think the premise that she was in ALL Smash installments (like all other Original Gangstas) is more than enough. She doesn't need her new type. All that did was give her an excuse to be relevant again.
best party of pokemon in smash. no doubt.
In Brawl, sure. But the fact remains that she still got in before the highly requested Wolf, returned instead of 5 other veterans (2 of which were vastly popular to Jigglypuff), as well as 7 other dummied out characters. If she was to be cut out, she would have in Melee or Brawl. I don't think Sakurai disagrees with me at all.
She wasn't important to Pokemon anymore since Melee. If that's her reason why she shouldn't return, that clearly hasn't meant a thing to Sakurai for over 12 years. The fact remains that to Smash Bros., not Pokemon, she is important, much as how Ness and Captain Falcon are. Hell, if we broke Smash Bros. down completely into what was in the game and completely ignored the games and franchises out of Smash Bros., Jigglypuff would be a near complete equivalent to Luigi.
Same thing as Ness or Captain Falcon. If you want to claim that Ness is important to his series... Jigglypuff is important to Pokemon. Just not anymore, kind of like... Ness! It is the same thing, literally the same thing. Captain Falcon gets a pass though. He has main character status.
