Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Opossum]

Has popularity even had that much of an influence on first party character inclusions? I mean, the choices for brawl weren't exactly on the top of the list.

Popularity plays a huge role. The only Brawl newcomers who weren't popular requests were ZSS, Snake, ROB, and the Pokemon Trainer. Even Lucas was a popular request, albeit much more so in Japan. And yeah, Pit was pretty damn popular pre-Brawl as far as newcomer requests, especially after his Melee trophy, IIRC.

 

[SonicMario]

@PlatinumGamer: Sonic's staying. It just makes more sense to keep him in then it does to not

Keeping Sonic and Snake as Brawl exclusives just so more 3rd Parties can get their "chance" or "shot" is bull****. There were so many fans excited that Sonic got into Brawl in the first place, and you think Nintendo could spat on those fans that would love to play as him again as a Veteran by saying "You want to play as Sonic in Super Smash Bros? Then just play Brawl again!"

In Sonic's case he wasn't only just popular. He was so popular and requested enough that he was one of the reasons Brawl had to be delayed a little while since he was included last minute. Why waste that last-minute inclusion, when they could now plan him more throughly in for the next game? This arguably makes him the most popular inclusion in Smash Bros. Franchise history if he was popular enough to actually delay a game past it's planned release. And if so, would they really risk the backlash of not having a character that was a very popular inclusion again for the next game? 3rd Party or not. I think Nintendo, Sakurai would of definitely noticed this and aimed to get Sonic back in as soon as possible.

Then of course there's that Sega and Nintendo deal that was mentioned earlier. I don't think this deal went on without a single mention about SSB4. Since it's a deal of 3 Exclusive Sonic games. One being Sonic Lost World (If the new Sonic stage is based on this game. I think SSB4 being part of the deal as a hidden clause is confirmed), one being a new Mario and Sonic Olympics game, and a mystery 3rd one (Which some are speculating it could possibly BE SSB4). I suspect the very first Olympic Games was made as part of Sonic's inclusion in Brawl. This might be history repeating itself.

And on the Olympic games, Sonic and Mario still make money. Since they're still making them. Why waste another chance to continue milking that with SSB4? And now that Megaman's in the game as well. You could have now have three of the most famous Video Game icons in history by three different companies in one game. I do not see Nintendo, nor Sega missing out on this chance of a lifetime.

 

[Jake the Dovahkiin]

I know someone who wants Zoroark in SSB4

 

[PlatinumGamer64]

@PlatinumGamer: Sonic's staying. It just makes more sense to keep him in then it does to not

Keeping Sonic and Snake as Brawl exclusives just so more 3rd Parties can get their "chance" or "shot" is bull****. There were so many fans excited that Sonic got into Brawl in the first place, and you think Nintendo could spat on those fans that would love to play as him again as a Veteran by saying "You want to play as Sonic in Super Smash Bros? Then just play Brawl again!"

In Sonic's case he wasn't only just popular. He was so popular and requested enough that he was one of the reasons Brawl had to be delayed a little while since he was included last minute. Why waste that last-minute inclusion, when they could now plan him more throughly in for the next game? This arguably makes him the most popular inclusion in Smash Bros. Franchise history if he was popular enough to actually delay a game past it's planned release. And if so, would they really risk the backlash of not having a character that was a very popular inclusion again for the next game? 3rd Party or not. I think Nintendo, Sakurai would of definitely noticed this and aimed to get Sonic back in as soon as possible.

Then of course there's that Sega and Nintendo deal that was mentioned earlier. I don't think this deal went on without a single mention about SSB4. Since it's a deal of 3 Exclusive Sonic games. One being Sonic Lost World (If the new Sonic stage is based on this game. I think SSB4 being part of the deal as a hidden clause is confirmed), one being a new Mario and Sonic Olympics game, and a mystery 3rd one (Which some are speculating it could possibly BE SSB4). I suspect the very first Olympic Games was made as part of Sonic's inclusion in Brawl. This might be history repeating itself.

And on the Olympic games, Sonic and Mario still make money. Since they're still making them. Why waste another chance to continue milking that with SSB4? And now that Megaman's in the game as well. You could have now have three of the most famous Video Game icons in history by three different companies in one game. I do not see Nintendo, nor Sega missing out on this chance of a lifetime.

I saved the trouble of reading this long post because I am already aware of why it makes sense to keep Sonic. People have wanted him forever and now it's hard to imagine Super Smash Bros. with out him. If characters cuts HAVE to be made (Like if Sakurai doesn't have a choice.) It makes sense to cut Third-Parties. I want Sonic as much as any other person who requested him, but don't be so positive that there is absolutely no chance he won't return. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not Third-Party characters are a 1 time thing for each installment.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I saved the trouble of reading this long post because I am already aware of why it makes sense to keep Sonic. People have wanted him forever and now it's hard to imagine Super Smash Bros. with out him. If characters cuts HAVE to be made (Like if Sakurai doesn't have a choice.) It makes sense to cut Third-Parties. I want Sonic as much as any other person who requested him, but don't be so positive that there is absolutely no chance he won't return. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not Third-Party characters are a 1 time thing for each installment.

It's hard to imagine a Smash Bros. without Sonic?

Have you ever played Melee and the one for Nintendo 64?

 

[Neanderthal]

I saved the trouble of reading this long post because I am already aware of why it makes sense to keep Sonic. People have wanted him forever and now it's hard to imagine Super Smash Bros. with out him. If characters cuts HAVE to be made (Like if Sakurai doesn't have a choice.) It makes sense to cut Third-Parties. I want Sonic as much as any other person who requested him, but don't be so positive that there is absolutely no chance he won't return. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not Third-Party characters are a 1 time thing for each installment.

Sonic won't be cut.
Why would they make this big deal of attaining the rights for the second most requested third party, whilst dropping the first most requested for who they already have infrastructure for the rights deal.

 

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A few things need to be cleared about characters getting in because of popularity

1. Recent appearance does not equal popularity.
2. The characters appearing in SSB4 are NOT limited to the popular predictions of Smashfans nor the most desired.
3. Not appearing in a game for a while (or since) does not change how popular a character WAS and still IS.
4. Being recent does not override all flaws in a character choice. Being recent will NOT be an excuse for characters like Chrom or Dark Pit. (Not to mistakenly compare the choice of Chrom to the choice of Dark Pit. Also not saying Chrom isn't unique, but he will only get in if he's unique enough and NOT because when Fire Emblem Awakening came out)

A character is chosen based on Popularity and potential. Not recency or lack of recency. Dillon won't get in because he had 2 eShop games that just came out. And characters can't be immediately denied because they haven't appeared in the latest installment of a game.

There is a difference between recency and obscurity.
There are some people who will pick and reject characters based solely on when their games came out and nothing else.

This. Smartest post I've seen on this thread in a long time.

Recency does play a part but it only helps a character get noticed, beyond that it's relatively meaningless (I say relatively because we don't know about how deeply Sakurai thinks about character additions).

Big example of this would be Sakurai's recent admission of how he selects Pokemon characters by looking through recent Pokemon media. However, it seems that next to no one fully read through the entire article to see what he said in addition:

find out which ones are going to be central to any of conversations in Pokemon going forward."

"But it’s not just that – going back to just what we talked about, what’s unique about them? Where do they fit in with the rest of everything else? What do they have? It’s a combination of those things."

If this doesn't confirm that the "Flavors of the Month" theory is ridiculous I don't know what does.

He's looking for memorable and unique characters, not ones that he can just easily replace with each and every game. Roy & Pichu getting into Melee, and Lucario & Ike getting into Brawl while Roy & Mewtwo were cut is just a simple coincidence. If you know anything about Pokemon & Fire Emblem in recent years, you'll know that Lucario & Ike are actually a LOT harder to cut than one might think (Lucario, who's had several Gen 5 appearances, and Ike who's received heavy nods in FE13 in addition to his descendant Priam).

 

[Silverjay323]

A few things need to be cleared about characters getting in because of popularity

1. Recent appearance does not equal popularity.
2. The characters appearing in SSB4 are NOT limited to the popular predictions of Smashfans nor the most desired.
3. Not appearing in a game for a while (or since) does not change how popular a character WAS and still IS.
4. Being recent does not override all flaws in a character choice. Being recent will NOT be an excuse for characters like Chrom or Dark Pit. (Not to mistakenly compare the choice of Chrom to the choice of Dark Pit. Also not saying Chrom isn't unique, but he will only get in if he's unique enough and NOT because when Fire Emblem Awakening came out)

A character is chosen based on Popularity and potential. Not recency or lack of recency. Dillon won't get in because he had 2 eShop games that just came out. And characters can't be immediately denied because they haven't appeared in the latest installment of a game.

There is a difference between recency and obscurity.
There are some people who will pick and reject characters based solely on when their games came out and nothing else.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but wasn't one of the main reasons Lucario was chosen recency? It IS a factor when considering a character. Not the most important or the deciding one but still.

I saved the trouble of reading this long post because I am already aware of why it makes sense to keep Sonic. People have wanted him forever and now it's hard to imagine Super Smash Bros. without him. If characters cuts HAVE to be made (Like if Sakurai doesn't have a choice.) It makes sense to cut Third-Parties. I want Sonic as much as any other person who requested him, but don't be so positive that there is absolutely no chance he won't return. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not Third-Party characters are a 1 time thing for each installment.

What makes you think third parties must be cut first? What should decide if a character gets cut or not is not the franchise they're from, or if they're first or third party. It should be how well that character was received and how unique they were from the rest of the cast. Just because they're simply "Nintendo" doesn't give them priority over Sonic, who is just as much a part of Nintendo's history as the rest of the roster despite not being a first party franchise.​

 

[ZeldaMaster]

What makes you think third parties must be cut first? What should decide if a character gets cut or not is not the franchise they're from, or if they're first or third party. It should be how well that character was received and how unique they were from the rest of the cast. Just because they're simply "Nintendo" doesn't give them priority over Sonic, who is just as much a part of Nintendo's history as the rest of the roster despite not being a first party franchise.​

Perhaps because Smash Bros. at its core is a Nintendo All Star Fighting game. However, I do agree that select few characters are worthy enough of being in Smash. And yes, Sonic, along with Megaman, are two of the select few who have impacted Nintendo history more so than any other third party franchise. Snake, on the other hand, was a strange addition, and although he does fit in Smash, he is not nearly as important as Sonic and Megaman to warrant reinclusion. I feel like Pac-Man may better fill his spot, but I honestly really don't know who has had a bigger impact, Snake or Pac-Man.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but wasn't one of the main reasons Lucario was chosen recency? It IS a factor when considering a character. Not the most important or the deciding one but still.

The main reason Lucario got picked was because he was a very popular pokemon.

Pre-Brawl he was the most requested Pokemon character.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Y'know... The more I think about it, the more it seems like Bomberman could actually outright replace Snake and his moveset as a Konami representative. Aside from maybe a different Side Special and different traits like speed and weight, they'd have a surprisingly large amount in common in terms of function.

Neutral Special: Bomb Throw
Side Special: Bomb Kick
Down Special: Remote Bomb
Up Special: Bomber Rocket
Final Smash: Bomber Raid

Not that I'd actually expect Bomberman to be extremely likely in the first place.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Technically, shouldn't this belong in the Prediction thread or at least the Wishlist thread? This might end getting locked if it gets too out of hand.

I'll bite though. If I could have ANY one regardless of likeliness or possibility, I would love to see:

Nightmare (SoulCalibur)
Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)
Palutena
Ridley

Those four, I would be totally fine with them taking up the rest of the roster. Though I think Nightmare and Shepard has a snowballs chance in hell.

 

[AEMehr]

Neutral Special: Bomb Throw
Side Special: Bomb Kick
Down Special: Remote Bomb
Up Special: Bomber Rocket
Final Smash: Bomber Raid

Hello ssf2 moveset.

 

[Hyper Luigi]

I'm going to go ahead and play the "no cuts" card this time.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I'm going to go ahead and play the "no cuts" card this time.

50 chars. 14 newcomers. No cuts from Brawl. One Melee character returning.
I doubt we'll see a roster of that size, but I like it anyway.

Seems about "medium-sized" in my opinion. (a small roster would be 35-40 and a large roster would be 60-70)

-Not sure who the 5th Mario slot should go to.
-Possibly replace Palutena with K.Rool.

 

[AEMehr]

I'm going to go ahead and play the "no cuts" card this time.

Not a lot to gripe with here. Other than the lack of King K. Rool, I'd be okay with this.
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Also here is my next in my series of super ultra smash brothers roster guessing yeeaaaaaaaaaah!!1!!1!

49 Characters in total.
Not what I'm hoping for, but what I find realistic. However Shulk can be swapped out for Lucario and Random can be replaced by Bowser Junior if we aren't getting any cuts, but in turn we lose Mewtwo's original forme.

54 Characters here and this, for the most part, is what I'm hoping for.
Dillon can be swapped with another unrepresented Nintendo franchise, perhaps Starfy or an Advance Wars character. Dillon is just my preference.

 

[UberMadman]

k heres my predicshun roster guise

i think theyl bring bak pichu frum melee

is a shame how there proly gunna mak poochy n boney clone caracterz

also penguin for top teer

 

[Swift Fox]

Anybody whoever posted roster with 50 or more characters (excluding partners and alt. forms) can't be (really) serious.

- - Brawl - -
Veterans: 12 | hiddens: 8
New comers: 9 | New hiddens: 6
Total fighters: 21 | Total hiddens: 14
TOTAL: 35 (+10 from Melee, +23 from 64)
- - Melee - -
Veterans: 10 | hiddens: 2
New comers: 4 | New hiddens: 9
Total fighters: 14 | Total hiddens: 11
TOTAL: 25 (+13 from 64)
- - 64 - -
Veterans: 0 | hiddens: 0
New comers: 8 | New hiddens: 4
Total fighters: 8 | Total hiddens: 4
TOTAL: 12

Do you see the pattern? Usually about +10 to +13 from predecessor's roster to successor's roster. Brawl's roster (35) + 13 = 48 being the maximum or Brawl roster + 10 = 45 not being the very least but no less than 40 seems about right for what SSB4's roster should be like, IMO.

50 could be done, however, it seemed too much and maybe that's just me.

 

[3Bismyname]

I know someone who wants Zoroark in SSB4

thats pretty common actually

 

[3Bismyname]

Anybody whoever posted roster with 50 or more characters (excluding partners and alt. forms) can't be (really) serious.

- - Brawl - -
Veterans: 12 | hiddens: 8
New comers: 9 | New hiddens: 6
Total fighters: 21 | Total hiddens: 14
TOTAL: 35 (+10 from Melee, +23 from 64)
- - Melee - -
Veterans: 10 | hiddens: 2
New comers: 4 | New hiddens: 9
Total fighters: 14 | Total hiddens: 11
TOTAL: 25 (+13 from 64)
- - 64 - -
Veterans: 0 | hiddens: 0
New comers: 8 | New hiddens: 4
Total fighters: 8 | Total hiddens: 4
TOTAL: 12

Do you see the pattern? Usually about +10 to +13 from predecessor's roster to successor's roster. Brawl's roster (35) + 13 = 48 being the maximum or Brawl roster + 10 = 45 not being the very least but no less than 40 seems about right for what SSB4's roster should be like, IMO.

50 could be done, however, it seemed too much and maybe that's just me.

thats hardly a pattern but i agree that there probably wont be 50 character excluding transformations.

 

[Swift Fox]

Glad that isn't just me

Took out Ridley for Sonic

 

[TheTuninator]

The main reason Lucario got picked was because he was a very popular pokemon.

Pre-Brawl he was the most requested Pokemon character.

Mewtwo was more popular, but he still got the axe. If popularity and importance to the franchise were the sole criteria, we would've gotten Mewtwo in Brawl.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think the roster will have 49 slots not including the random button. Seems about right.

I think the roster will have 49 slots not including the random button. Seems about right.

 

[Opossum]

I'm going to go ahead and play the "no cuts" card this time.

The only thing stopping me from completely loving this roster is the lack of K. Rool. Personally I'd swap either Mii or Paper Mario for him, but otherwise, I really love this roster.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Here's my newest roster. This is without any cuts, having Mewtwo and Roy return, etc...

The roster spots cap off at 47, but with transformations it is at 52 overall.

Miis- I don't have them on my roster because they wouldn't really be a part of the roster. If they are customizable characters only obtainable from the 3DS version, then they aren't necessarily part of the Wii U roster (kind of like Mario Tennis or Golf with custom characters)

Pac-Man- I'm going to leave him out for now until that rumor is proven true, because while I see him deserving, I don't really WANT to see him. I'd be content with Mega Man, Snake, and Sonic.

No New Mario rep- I personally believe that other major series need representation before another series gets a rep to balance the roster out. Metroid only has one, DK should get at least one, etc... Mario, while being the flagship series, is pretty well set with four characters, especially having their top 4 most important in the game.

Fire Emblem having 4 reps- Probably too much, but i'd like to see both Roy and Chrom, and I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility.

Thoughts on this one?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Mewtwo was more popular, but he still got the axe. If popularity and importance to the franchise were the sole criteria, we would've gotten Mewtwo in Brawl.

I was explaining why the newcomer got in sir. Not why a veteran got out prioritized.

Mewtwo's case is different. He would not have received the axe if given more time.

 

[ChronoBound]

Oh I won't deny the Ike is probably more popular in the western fanbase, but I think the Japanese gets a bit more priority over us here in the West. :L

The thing is that Roy is even more popular among the Japanese than he is in the West, both among Smash Bros. fans and FE fans. I think if Sakurai has no qualm with cutting Ike, Chrom will definitely get in. Otherwise, I think things are really iffy for Chrom. If Sakurai wants to keep Ike (and bring back Roy as well), I could see Sakurai going with a more unorthodox character to represent FE13 (if he really feels its necessary to rep it with a playable character) like the My Unit or possibly Anna.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Here's my latest roster, containing a grand total of 47 characters overall, four characters not returning from Brawl due to the possible time constraints. Mario and Pokemon each have five reps, due to being the biggest series' in the world by far, The Legend of Zelda holding the second most to show its significance as a franchise. The new franchises represented here in this roster are Xenoblade, Animal Crossing, the Secret Murasame Castle, Punch-Out!!, Sin & Punishment and Wii Fit.

If all characters are built from the ground up as Sakurai says, I think it'd be a little smarter to take the opportunity and design Krystal, who would already have a new fighting style from others in the game without the need of wasting time on redesigning Wolf. I'm for either Zoroark or Genesect, but as of recently, I've been thinking of the abilities Genesect could possess in battle, as well as the last 5th Gen pokemon to get a movie before moving onto the 6th Generation. And do I even need to mention the pokemon's popularity jump since being a debut gift with Black 2/White 2?

The question mark on the bottom row is to help you select possible DLC characters from a list that will extend downward, including the characters who didn't make it AKA Ike, Lucario, Wolf and Toon Link. Thoughts anyone?

 

[ChronoBound]

I think after Sakurai included characters such as the Villager and Wii Fit Trainer, there is no way that Mii won't show up. The "Mii" series have sold even more than the Animal Crossing and Wii Fit series. Wii Sports and Wii Play are probably among the top selling home console games of all time, if not THE top two highest selling home console games of all time.

 

[mimgrim]

My new roster with the no cuts thing Sakurai said and this time not taking the rumor into acount. I'm presuming already cut characters will not be returning so don't flame me on that please. And again Chrom&Lissa does not actually mean Chrom&Lissa but Chrom&Lucina or Robin to represent the Pair Up feature of FEA. Go ahead and bash this thing to pieces. xD

 

[AEMehr]

Here's my latest roster, containing a grand total of 47 characters overall, four characters not returning from Brawl due to the possible time constraints. Mario and Pokemon each have five reps, due to being the biggest series' in the world by far, The Legend of Zelda holding the second most to show its significance as a franchise. The new franchises represented here in this roster are Xenoblade, Animal Crossing, the Secret Murasame Castle, Punch-Out!!, Sin & Punishment and Wii Fit.

If all characters are built from the ground up as Sakurai says, I think it'd be a little smarter to take the opportunity and design Krystal, who would already have a new fighting style from others in the game without the need of wasting time on redesigning Wolf. I'm for either Zoroark or Genesect, but as of recently, I've been thinking of the abilities Genesect could possess in battle, as well as the last 5th Gen pokemon to get a movie before moving onto the 6th Generation. And do I even need to mention the pokemon's popularity jump since being a debut gift with Black 2/White 2?

The question mark on the bottom row is to help you select possible DLC characters from a list that will extend downward, including the characters who didn't make it AKA Ike, Lucario, Wolf and Toon Link. Thoughts anyone?

Sin and Punishment getting a character over the Golden Sun franchise is a bit questionable to me.
That and I find Krystal to still be an unnecessary addition to the Star Fox franchise, especially over the existing ones.

But that's just me.

 

[ChronoBound]

If all characters are built from the ground up as Sakurai says, I think it'd be a little smarter to take the opportunity and design Krystal, who would already have a new fighting style from others in the game without the need of wasting time on redesigning Wolf.

How would they waste time by re-designing Wolf? Wolf is only five moves away from being a completely unique character. Literally, the only moves he shares with Fox are his specials and Final Smash, and even his specials work pretty differently from Fox's. Cutting a more popular character with seniority in their own series for a less popular one is not a wise choice. As it stands, Falco needs more re-working than Wolf does. I don't get why people beat up Wolf.

 

[Swift Fox]

Here's my newest roster. This is without any cuts, having Mewtwo and Roy return, etc...

The roster spots cap off at 47, but with transformations it is at 52 overall.

Miis- I don't have them on my roster because they wouldn't really be a part of the roster. If they are customizable characters only obtainable from the 3DS version, then they aren't necessarily part of the Wii U roster (kind of like Mario Tennis or Golf with custom characters)

Pac-Man- I'm going to leave him out for now until that rumor is proven true, because while I see him deserving, I don't really WANT to see him. I'd be content with Mega Man, Snake, and Sonic.

No New Mario rep- I personally believe that other major series need representation before another series gets a rep to balance the roster out. Metroid only has one, DK should get at least one, etc... Mario, while being the flagship series, is pretty well set with four characters, especially having their top 4 most important in the game.

Fire Emblem having 4 reps- Probably too much, but i'd like to see both Roy and Chrom, and I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility.

Thoughts on this one?

I'm not really sure if Snake can stay:
-Sakurai wants to limit 3rd party character
-Sakurai said that there will be cut(s)
-"no cuts has been made so far"
-Sonic has better chance of staying than Snake

Brawl went with +10 from Melee AND cut 5 fighters and thus there are 15 new-comers. Your roster went with +10 new-comers and +2 returnee from Brawl. A solid +12 from Brawl's 35, which is really good.

Not really sure about K.Rool and Ridley since they're way too ****ing big! Some will agree and others will give objections about this.

And I agree that FE getting 4th rep is too much. I'm sure Kirby series deserves it instead.

Hooray for no Mii & Pac-man XD

 

[Hotfeet444]

How would they waste time by re-designing Wolf? Wolf is only five moves away from being a completely unique character. Literally, the only moves he shares with Fox are his specials and Final Smash, and even his specials work pretty differently from Fox's. Cutting a more popular character with seniority in their own series for a less popular one is not a wise choice. As it stands, Falco needs more re-working than Wolf does. I don't get why people beat up Wolf.

Don't get me wrong as I say this, Wolf was my favorite Starfox character in Brawl, it was nice to play as someone who could actually not die at 60% damage, but Krystal is one of the biggest requested characters for Smash 4, and is a female with a brand new fighting style that is unique from anything we've seen in Smash Bros. To be honest, if it was possible, I'd have both Wolf and Krystal.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm not really sure if Snake can stay:
-Sakurai wants to limit 3rd party character
-Sakurai said that there will be cut(s)
-"no cuts has been made so far"
-Sonic has better chance of staying than Snake

Brawl went with +10 from Melee AND cut 5 fighters and thus there are 15 new-comers. Your roster went with +10 new-comers and +2 returnee from Brawl. A solid +12 from Brawl's 35, which is really good.

Not really sure about K.Rool and Ridley since they're way too ****ing big! Some will agree and others will give objections about this.

And I agree that FE getting 4th rep is too much. I'm sure Kirby series deserves it instead.

Hooray for no Mii & Pac-man XD

K.Rool and Ridley could easily be resized. Size isn't as big an issue as you may think. Bowser has been resized on several occasions.

Snake got in based on a friendship, something that is much stronger than business if you ask me. Would Sakurai really keep one but not the other, while the other (Snake) is a good friends character? I'm not sure about that.

Sakurai hasn't said that "there will be cuts". He has said that they won't be able to bring back every single Super Smash Bros. character from the series. That means everyone. He did however warn that there may be cuts. We'll see.

I personally think Kirby is fine the way it is. They have their 3 most important characters. They're fine for now imo.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm not really sure if Snake can stay:
-Sakurai wants to limit 3rd party character
-Sakurai said that there will be cut(s)
-"no cuts has been made so far"
-Sonic has better chance of staying than Snake

Brawl went with +10 from Melee AND cut 5 fighters and thus there are 15 new-comers. Your roster went with +10 new-comers and +2 returnee from Brawl. A solid +12 from Brawl's 35, which is really good.

Not really sure about K.Rool and Ridley since they're way too ****ing big! Some will agree and others will give objections about this.

And I agree that FE getting 4th rep is too much. I'm sure Kirby series deserves it instead.

Hooray for no Mii & Pac-man XD

While I will agree that Sonic's chances of returning are pretty high, they're not higher than Snake's. We owe alot to Snake, it's because of him that we can even discuss the possibility of third party characters in Smash Bros 4, and if you're going to include Sonic, you're going to include the character that made it all possible in the first place.

First off, Snake's place in Smash 4 is pretty much the same as it was for Brawl, only one recent remake on a current system with a new game planning on coming out on a non-Nintendo system (AKA: Snake Eater 3D for the 3DS, which is a great game by the way) and hell, if that's a problem, use Naked Snake/Big Boss from MGS3 if that's a big concern. Regardless, there's no reason for Snake to be left out, especially since Sakurai and Kojima are still great friends and I'm sure Kojima would be very willing to let Snake return, just like the leader of Sonic Team stated on Sonic's return. Both characters have full willing support from their companies, so their returning is pretty likely.

Also, Ridley and K.Rool are not too big. Not going to go into an argument about it but in short...blah blah blah Melee opening blah blah blah Bowser and Olimar blah blah blah Smash Bros is not canon so size doesn't matter blah blah blah.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

but Krystal is one of the biggest requested characters for Smash 4.

No she's not.

She's up there, but no where near the top.

 

[ChronoBound]

Don't get me wrong as I say this, Wolf was my favorite Starfox character in Brawl, it was nice to play as someone who could actually not die at 60% damage, but Krystal is one of the biggest requested characters for Smash 4, and is a female with a brand new fighting style that is unique from anything we've seen in Smash Bros. .

1. Being a female means nothing.
2. Wolf's demand to return is higher than Krystal's demand to be in.

 

[Swift Fox]

Sorry I somehow remember him saying there WILL be cuts but maybe I remember wrong!

Ridley could be downsized based on Melee's intro but now he's S.O.L. once he's oversized in SSE. It would be awkward to down-size Ridley and make him playable when he was a over-sized boss in SSB4's predecessor.

 

[Hotfeet444]

No she's not.

She's up there, but no where near the top.

Oh I know, hence I said "one of". I know the obvious big inclusions, and I won't be sulking if Krystal is left out. *Shrug*