Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

Some questions I'd like to discuss after that interview I posted yesterday...

1) "NO characters cut yet" Does this mean the entire Brawl roster is back? What of Snake and Sonic?
- personally this is what I believe, because Sakurai already acknowledged that people didn't want certain characters to be cut from Brawl. Therefore he would attempt to not have this happen unless other issues had presented a detour.

I believe that this means that the entire Brawl roster is planned to return, at least.

Going off what I said now, the 2nd part should mean that there will be fewer newcomers.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Some questions I'd like to discuss after that interview I posted yesterday...

2) 3DS version will keep the roster size in check. What will this mean for the roster?
Assuming the 3DS has more storage space than Brawl did, that's saying something for the roster.

Thoughts?

3DS cartridges hold up to 8 gigs, same as the Brawl disk. With cuts of SSE cutscenes and hopefully things like Masterpieces and the Chronicle, the 3DS cart can probably hold 45-50 characters.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Some questions I'd like to discuss after that interview I posted yesterday...

1) "NO characters cut yet" Does this mean the entire Brawl roster is back? What of Snake and Sonic?
- personally this is what I believe, because Sakurai already acknowledged that people didn't want certain characters to be cut from Brawl. Therefore he would attempt to not have this happen unless other issues had presented a detour.

2) 3DS version will keep the roster size in check. What will this mean for the roster?
- Based on the fact that SSE is removed, a large portion of the data will be free to use on other things. Assuming the 3DS has more storage space than Brawl did, that's saying something for the roster. If we remove the Nintendo Classic demos, and even a possible removal of the Stage Builder, we're looking at some largely expanded room for data storage. Looking back at the quote saying, "A change in direction is what's needed", I don't think this meant that Sakurai would add less characters, but that the focus of the next Smash Bros. would be more focused on a hardcore experience, rather than taking up most of the space on the disc will bull crap that nobody needed for the most part.

Thoughts?

1.) It's not a case of cutting characters for Sakurai. I think I stated this yesterday, but it's more along the lines of "I have this list of characters from the past games and the priority they take in returning for this coming Smash Bros. I will return as much as I can, but I can already assure you I won't be able to return everyone." So in short, it's not a case of cutting characters so that's why Sakurai hasn't "cut" anyone persay, it's pretty much designing the roster and including the important characters as he goes. I can assure you the original 20 aren't going anywhere.

2.) The thing that took up most of Brawl's 4GB save data was the movies and Subspace Emissary, which was compacted really poorly onto the disc. If it was done properly, the dual-layer disc probably wouldn't have been necessary. That aside, we're confirmed to not have a story mode like it this time around, so that's a ton of space saved right there. I can safely say that if Sakurai tries to use as much as he can of your average 3DS cartridge, we will have a very nicely sized roster for Smash Bros 4.

 

[mimgrim]

Some questions I'd like to discuss after that interview I posted yesterday...

1) "NO characters cut yet" Does this mean the entire Brawl roster is back? What of Snake and Sonic?
- personally this is what I believe, because Sakurai already acknowledged that people didn't want certain characters to be cut from Brawl. Therefore he would attempt to not have this happen unless other issues had presented a detour.

It has been stated before I believe in a interview that the roster is actually done and completed and if no characters are cut yet its highly doubtful there are going to be any cut at all. However weather or not he means veterans or the entire Brawl roster is yet unknown. But I think the latter might be very likely, even if the former is the more liekly one.

2) 3DS version will keep the roster size in check. What will this mean for the roster?
- Based on the fact that SSE is removed, a large portion of the data will be free to use on other things. Assuming the 3DS has more storage space than Brawl did, that's saying something for the roster. If we remove the Nintendo Classic demos, and even a possible removal of the Stage Builder, we're looking at some largely expanded room for data storage. Looking back at the quote saying, "A change in direction is what's needed", I don't think this meant that Sakurai would add less characters, but that the focus of the next Smash Bros. would be more focused on a hardcore experience, rather than taking up most of the space on the disc will bull crap that nobody needed for the most part.

Thoughts?

I honestly not sure what to take from "The 3DS version will keep the roster size in check" it douns like he is saying the 3DS will allow the roster to not get to big???? I'm unsure as to what his meaning is here, espically sincse the 3DS can hold 8 GBs. .-.

 

[Deleted member]

Some questions I'd like to discuss after that interview I posted yesterday...

1) "NO characters cut yet" Does this mean the entire Brawl roster is back? What of Snake and Sonic?
- personally this is what I believe, because Sakurai already acknowledged that people didn't want certain characters to be cut from Brawl. Therefore he would attempt to not have this happen unless other issues had presented a detour.

2) 3DS version will keep the roster size in check. What will this mean for the roster?
- Based on the fact that SSE is removed, a large portion of the data will be free to use on other things. Assuming the 3DS has more storage space than Brawl did, that's saying something for the roster. If we remove the Nintendo Classic demos, and even a possible removal of the Stage Builder, we're looking at some largely expanded room for data storage. Looking back at the quote saying, "A change in direction is what's needed", I don't think this meant that Sakurai would add less characters, but that the focus of the next Smash Bros. would be more focused on a hardcore experience, rather than taking up most of the space on the disc will bull crap that nobody needed for the most part.

Thoughts?

1. The first one can be interpreted in a variety of ways. It could just mean that he hasn't cut anyone he plans to add yet but considering that Sakurai has been stressing over cuts and is trying to include as many characters as he can, there's a good chance that he's referring to trying to bring back as many as possible from both Melee and Brawl along with what newcomers he has planned (I wouldn't be surprised that due to the back lash that cuts got that he's trying to bring back everyone from Melee and Brawl, just that time constraints makes it impossible for that to become a reality). Also makes me more hopeful that whatever veteran is cut gets to return as DLC.

As for Snake and Sonic, should Sakurai be referring to trying to bring back everyone from Brawl, I have very little doubt that they'll return. There is no way they get cut due to time constraints.

2. Could be bad phrasing from the interview, because Sakurai saying he hasn't cut anyone yet kind of contradicts this. I still maintain that we will see fifty characters (transformation included) when all said and done.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Some questions I'd like to discuss after that interview I posted yesterday...

1) "NO characters cut yet" Does this mean the entire Brawl roster is back? What of Snake and Sonic?
- personally this is what I believe, because Sakurai already acknowledged that people didn't want certain characters to be cut from Brawl. Therefore he would attempt to not have this happen unless other issues had presented a detour.

2) 3DS version will keep the roster size in check. What will this mean for the roster?
- Based on the fact that SSE is removed, a large portion of the data will be free to use on other things. Assuming the 3DS has more storage space than Brawl did, that's saying something for the roster. If we remove the Nintendo Classic demos, and even a possible removal of the Stage Builder, we're looking at some largely expanded room for data storage. Looking back at the quote saying, "A change in direction is what's needed", I don't think this meant that Sakurai would add less characters, but that the focus of the next Smash Bros. would be more focused on a hardcore experience, rather than taking up most of the space on the disc will bull crap that nobody needed for the most part.

Thoughts?

1. Well at the moment, I believe the roster is safe for now, I'm guess Lucario is still relevant to being in the next Smash. Snake and Sonic should be safe for the time being, unless 3 is still the limit of 3rd Party Characters.

2. It could mean a roster of 40-50. Depending on if he compresses the whole game right.

 

[Deleted member]

We're back to Ridley detraction again?

 

[Noler_Mass]

I don't know much about Ridley but what I do know is Mario has absolutely no personality whatsoever. So in other words personality doesn't matter. Or pikachu or any pokemon. Or yoshi. Or ice climbers. Or lol mr. Game and watch. Characters can get added because they are cool, and Ridley most certainly fits that. Though there are other issues to his inclusion, but arguing that is dumb.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I don't know much about Ridley but what I do know is Mario has absolutely no personality whatsoever. So in other words personality doesn't matter. Or pikachu or any pokemon. Or yoshi. Or ice climbers. Or lol mr. Game and watch. Characters can get added because they are cool, and Ridley most certainly fits that. Though there are other issues to his inclusion, but arguing that is dumb.

I'm sorry, but Yoshi and Pikachu DO have personalities. They're both overly cheerful, carefree, and just love living life. And I can also say the same for Mr. Game & Watch, he OOZES personality.

Edit: Oh hey, 200 pages!

 

[Noler_Mass]

Whatever. You could really say anything has a personality I guess that not what I meant. Like I saw this rock once and it looked immovable and wouldn't take **** from anyone it really inspired me. They don't have any character growth though, I guess that was more what I was refering to. But character growth doesn't matter for characters like Ridley. And in pikachus case the only places that pikachu does have a that cute personality are in non-canon (to the pokemon games t least) places such as smash or the anime.

 

[Deleted member]

How about those Pokémon games where Pikachu is the main focus?

Like the PokéPark games, Pokémon Channel, Hey You Pikachu!, etc.
They may not be canon to the main RPG titles, but they're far from nonexistent.

 

[Hotfeet444]

How about those Pokémon games where Pikachu is the main focus?

Like the PokéPark games, Pokémon Channel, Hey You Pikachu!, etc.
They may not be canon to the main RPG titles, but they're far from nonexistent.

Don't forget the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Games, the characters in those games have ALOT of personality.

 

[Noler_Mass]

How about those Pokémon games where Pikachu is the main focus?

Like the PokéPark games, Pokémon Channel, Hey You Pikachu!, etc.
They may not be canon to the main RPG titles, but they're far from nonexistent.

Okay you definetly got me there.

The characters in mystery dungeon certainly have personality, but most of the ones that do are specific characters, and smash represents characters straight from the games instead of the specific ones from mystery dungeon. And also I don't think there are any particular pikachus you can be. Though if the dusknoir from mystery dungeon were to be in the game that would be cool. That dusknoir was pretty freaky.

 

[Sebz]

I think people are getting personality and character all mixed up.

Every possible character has a personality. Pikachu is happy and peppy. Jigglypuff is bubbly, and even G&W is lively.

However, they have no character, no ulterior motives, no driving motivation. Although very basic, even Mario has character.

Still, when it comes to Ridley, opponents perceive him as nothing but a mindless dragon, while he's actually highly intelligent (made synthetic constructs that look like him), cunning and highly sadistic. He IS a space pirate, he has a profession. One of his most potent motivations is to kill the only being alive who has defeated him: Samus.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Okay you definetly got me there.

The characters in mystery dungeon certainly have personality, but most of the ones that do are specific characters, and smash represents characters straight from the games instead of the specific ones from mystery dungeon. And also I don't think there are any particular pikachus you can be. Though if the dusknoir from mystery dungeon were to be in the game that would be cool. That dusknoir was pretty freaky.

I'd personally prefer to play as the Grovyle from EOT/D/S, but that's just me. Dusknoir was a pretty deep character though, so he's likeable.

I think people are getting personality and character all mixed up.

Every possible character has a personality. Pikachu is happy and peppy. Jigglypuff is bubbly, and even G&W is lively.

However, they have no character, no ulterior motives, no driving motivation. Although very basic, even Mario has character.

Still, when it comes to Ridley, opponents perceive him as nothing but a mindless dragon, while he's actually highly intelligent (made synthetic constructs that look like him), cunning and highly sadistic. He IS a space pirate, he has a profession. One of his most potent motivations is to kill the only being alive who has defeated him: Samus.

To be honest, the thought of people thinking he's mindless as they battle him is probably the reason why he's only been beaten by one person in his entire life. Aside from the Metroid series, I'd like to say that alot of Ridley nay-sayers have the issue of always judging a character at a face value. And I would like to say that Game & Watch does have motivations...it just varies from G&W game to G&W game. They're small of course, but he does have SOME motivation...like not having his house burnt down...

Damn kids with their torches...

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Speaking of the whole personality shin-dig, does Waddle Dee sound feasible nowadays? I mean, despite being a part of Dedede's moveset, the individual Bandanna Dee certainly expresses a bit of character. Somewhat of a "I'm a lot like my brothers, so I'll try my hardest to stand out and serve the king!" mindset is what I get from him.

Gameplay-wise, he certainly brings a new playstyle to the table with his long-reaching spear. Importance-wise, he (arguably) played a big role in Kirby 64, was a featured character of the Kirby Super Star games, and had an outright major role in Return to Dreamland.

I think I already understand the consensus that Kirby really doesn't need a fourth character to feel complete, as well as that he definitely lacks importance compared to other candidates like Dixie or Ridley. I'm just curious as to what we feel individually about having Waddle Dee as a character is all.

 

[Deleted member]

I like to think of Ridley's relation to Samus is an obsession.

Samus is his "white whale", the one that got away. Continuously being near-death after each confrontation with her doesn't make it any better.
It also doesn't help that Samus pretty much has the same thought towards Ridley. Try and try as she must, she never seems to be rid of the being that orphaned her as a child.

Brawl described the cutscene before Ridley's boss fight well; "The Destiny of Ridley and Samus". It's like Joker and Batman; they are doomed to confront each other at some point in some way.
Even after Fusion, when the dried husk of the Ridley clone was destroyed and Neo Ridley killed, she is not safe. The Federation still has access to Ridley's DNA, and if they cloned him once (albeit accidentally), they can clone him again. And since Samus is now considered an outlaw to them....who's to say they won't use a Ridley clone as means to hunt her down?


.....I've rambled on too much about this....

 

[BluePikmin11]

Speaking of the whole personality shin-dig, does Waddle Dee sound feasible nowadays? I mean, despite being a part of Dedede's moveset, the individual Bandanna Dee certainly expresses a bit of character. Somewhat of a "I'm a lot like my brothers, so I'll try my hardest to stand out and serve the king!" mindset is what I get from him.

Gameplay-wise, he certainly brings a new playstyle to the table with his long-reaching spear. Importance-wise, he (arguably) played a big role in Kirby 64, was a featured character of the Kirby Super Star games, and had an outright major role in Return to Dreamland.

I think I already understand the consensus that Kirby really doesn't need a fourth character to feel complete, as well as that he definitely lacks importance compared to other candidates like Dixie or Ridley. I'm just curious as to what we feel individually about having Waddle Dee as a character is all.

Adeline actually sounds feasible to me, with her unique Paint mechanic.

 

[FalKoopa]

Adeline actually sounds feasible to me, with her unique Paint mechanic.

Adeline was present in only one Kirby game, though.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Adeline was present in only Kirby game, though.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe two.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah not really an important face of Kirby either, but she would make a nice addition as the 4th Kirby character.

 

[FalKoopa]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe two.

Kirby 64, and ?

Fun Fact: Around February, Adeline had a status similar to Impa now. There was a user named Ove who wanted her on the Smash 4 Speculation Chart. Of course, Ove is not a frequent poster, so it has ended.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Kirby's Dreamland 3 I think.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Kirby 64, and ?

Fun Fact: Around February, Adeline had a status similar to Impa now. There was a user named Ove who wanted her on the Smash 4 Speculation Chart. Of course, Ove is not a frequent poster, so it has ended.

There's controversy as to whether Ado in Dreamland 3, who is practically the exact same as Adeline, counts as the same character or not. The only difference they have is gender and name, nothing much beyond that.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Another Kirby character at the moment is kind of doubtful, especially considering the statements on wanting to prevent overall centralization of the Kirby series. It seems like the scenario with keeping the characters we have now (Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede) is most likely at this point.

Though then again, if it's really warranted for the sake of introducing a new style of gameplay, it wouldn't surprise me if Bandanna Dee was at least considered.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

We're back to Ridley detraction again?

 

[BluePikmin11]

What about Escargoon, or maybe Customer Service, what about Tiff and Tuff duo?

 

[FlareHabanero]

What about Escargoon, or maybe Customer Service, what about Tiff and Tuff duo?

Depends, will we need a monster to cloober dat der Kerbeh?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

What about Escargoon, or maybe Customer Service, what about Tiff and Tuff duo?

Not sure about them. They originated in the Kirby anime, not the video games.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Not sure about them. They originated in the Kirby anime, not the video games.

Chef Kawasaki?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Another Kirby character at the moment is kind of doubtful, especially considering the statements on wanting to prevent overall centralization of the Kirby series. It seems like the scenario with keeping the characters we have now (Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede) is most likely at this point.

Though then again, if it's really warranted for the sake of introducing a new style of gameplay, it wouldn't surprise me if Bandanna Dee was at least considered.

Well, if we wanted to add something unique, we could always add this guy:

I mean seriously, there's very few Nintendo characters in general as evil, as dangerous, and as downright disturbing as Dark Matter.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Chef Kawasaki?

I think he made his first appearance in the Kirby Super Star game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chef Kawasaki would unintentionally kill everyone with his mediocre cooking. Except for Kirby.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Chef Kawasaki would unintentionally kill everyone with his mediocre cooking. Except for Kirby.

Don't forget his giant killer robot...

Piece of advice: Always aim for the crotch...er...fridge.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Hey, I just thought of something!

*Dodges flying brick*

What if Ganondorf got semi-replaced with Ganon from A Link Between Worlds? (If he appears there)
Meaning, it'd be the Pig-man Ganon with the trident and everything.

He would play like Ganondorf as far as attacks go, except his specials would be mostly different.
Like holding B would create flaming bats. Tilt B would throw his trident forward like a shorter ranged boomerang.
And Utilt would charge his trident with dark energy before he slams it into the ground (basically, the same uTilt but with a different animation).

I mean, Ganon (pig) is pretty dang iconic. Would be really awesome to have him around over Grandpa Ganondorf (unless his Melee version took over once more, that would be equally as good).

 

[mimgrim]

Hey, I just thought of something!

*Dodges flying brick*

What if Ganondorf got semi-replaced with Ganon from A Link Between Worlds? (If he appears there)
Meaning, it'd be the Pig-man Ganon with the trident and everything.

He would play like Ganondorf as far as attacks go, except his specials would be mostly different.
Like holding B would create flaming bats. Tilt B would throw his trident forward like a shorter ranged boomerang.
And Utilt would charge his trident with dark energy before he slams it into the ground (basically, the same uTilt but with a different animation).

I mean, Ganon (pig) is pretty dang iconic. Would be really awesome to have him around over Grandpa Ganondorf (unless his Melee version took over once more, that would be equally as good).

Ganondorf ----> Ganon transformation would be better.

 

[Sebz]

Eh, not really a big fan of Ganonporktm. I prefer his human form.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hey, I just thought of something!

*Dodges flying brick*

What if Ganondorf got semi-replaced with Ganon from A Link Between Worlds? (If he appears there)
Meaning, it'd be the Pig-man Ganon with the trident and everything.

He would play like Ganondorf as far as attacks go, except his specials would be mostly different.
Like holding B would create flaming bats. Tilt B would throw his trident forward like a shorter ranged boomerang.
And Utilt would charge his trident with dark energy before he slams it into the ground (basically, the same uTilt but with a different animation).

I mean, Ganon (pig) is pretty dang iconic. Would be really awesome to have him around over Grandpa Ganondorf (unless his Melee version took over once more, that would be equally as good).

No way in heck should Ganondorf be taken out for Pig Ganon, especially since Manbearpig Ganon has been represented through Ganondorf's final smash in Brawl and Beast Ganon will probably be Ganondorf's final smash in Smash Bros 4 since his chances of going back to Oot Ganondorf because of Oot3D being his most recent appearance.

 

[zauberdragon]

In most recent Zelda games staring Ganondorf, I'm thinking OoT and TP mainly here, Ganondorf is the main antagonist and appears several times (here I'm thinking OoT in particular seeing as Zant takes his sweet time getting the chop in TP). He's the big scary guy whose terrifying true nature isn't revealed until the end. I like that Brawl had him as a final smash, as Beast Ganon is demonstrably more powerful in the Zelda canon, appearing only when Ganondorf is at death's door. The current Ganondorf/Ganon relationship in Smash is similar to how the Zelda games portray it and that's how I'd like it to stay.

 

[Silverjay323]

That Ridley again huh? Can he even fit into the thread? Well I'd like to back up my Chrom replacing Ike prediction since I just now noticed a FE awakening stage in the 3ds version.