Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Wouldn't Impa being using her hands? Like that palm strike she does with Ghirahim?

Also would Lucario be a Pokenall?

Outside of that, good choices.

The likes of Micaiah (if she isn't playable), Sheriff (is not playable), Muddy Mole, Dillon, etc are cool choices.

I still think Sheriff will be playable and that Michaih won't.

Also no Lucario would not be a Poke'ball. As far as I know that guy would never degrade himself by getting in one of those things.

But, Lucario should be playable anyway. He's one of my favorite Pok'emon and Smash reps.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Even Erika got higher votes then her...... That poll only had 5 FE females lords to chose from and Miccy got 4th place, that doesn't seem very good to me. Granted they could included Ceadea in that pole also to an extent. But meh. Miccy doesn't seem so popular. :/

She isn't all that much but I assume she has her own fans.

I did replace her with Robin on my roster though. Still a mage while sticking to "tradition" with a sword as well. Also gives us both a male and female rep, allowing you to choose which form you want before the battle.

 

[mimgrim]

She isn't all that much but I assume she has her own fans.

I did replace her with Robin on my roster though. Still a mage while sticking to "tradition" with a sword as well. Also gives us both a male and female rep, allowing you to choose which form you want before the battle.

Or they could make Robin hooded and have him/her be gender neutral. But honestly, I don't see Robin making it in. I only see Awakening getting one rep and that being Chrom. :/

 

[8-peacock-8]

I honestly still see Tom getting in as a hidden character. *forever alone hurr*

 

[TheTuninator]

There really isn't any good way to make Robin "gender-neutral". They'd probably just go with the default male MU if they added him in.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Or they could make Robin hooded and have him/her be gender neutral. But honestly, I don't see Robin making it in. I only see Awakening getting one rep and that being Chrom. :/

Possibly, but it could happen.

Oops, double post.

There really isn't any good way to make Robin "gender-neutral". They'd probably just go with the default male MU if they added him in.

But the character can also be female, and thus wouldn't fully represent them.

I think SSB4 could get a few multi-gendered characters.

We have Villager and Wii Fit Trainer as possible choices (especially Villager). The likes of Robin, the PKMN Trainer, and mii could add to that list.

Kind of an easy way to add females too.

When I thought I was editing my doublr post for the response, I accidently made another post when doing so (pretty much).

To at least make this post worth something, I will ask a question.

What are your top five wanted newcomers?

 

[Deleted member]

Day 5 has began for Rate Their Chance!

Today, you can vote on King K. Rool's likelihood and predict Shulk's score for tomorrow.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It's still a work a work in progress but this is a prediction roster I am very comfortable with; both in terms of characters and as well as predictions.

[collapse=Added:]
King K. Rool
Takamaru
Ridley
Palutena
Little Mac
Mewtwo/Newtwo
Chrom
Shulk
Isaac
Mii
Pac Man[/collapse]

[collapse=Replaced:]
Toon link with Retro Link[/collapse]

[collapse=Removed:]
Snake[/collapse]

Total Chars: 48 characters, 14 newcomers, 8 representing a new franchise

[collapse=reasoning]I hate the design of this roster so I will most likely edit or alter it in the new future. Too.....unbalanced. Anyways, I know it is a bit heavy on new franchises plus 48 characters. However, I do feel that 45-50 characters are fairly realistic especially if you consider if the game will be more focused on characters and gameplay rather than content and goodies. Plus, I think many people tend to underestimate the power of the 3DS.

I don't think we will get any Mario characters, but if we do, I believe it will be a toss up between Junior and Toad. I categorize both Yoshi and Wario as Mario characters. DK has moved out of that umbrella in Brawl and became its own represented franchise IMO.

Personally, I do prefer King K. Rool over Dixie and still believe he wins over likeliness but Dixie is almost tied with him in terms of support and likeliness. It could go either way.

No new Yoshi or Wario reps.

For Loz, I took out Toon Link and added Retro Link since the new 3DS game will be coming out (if I am correct). Since Noah will go into conniptions why I added SS Zelda, it is merely an aesthetic choice and personal bias. i would prefer SS Zelda.

For Metroid, added Ridley. He needs to be in. ZZS stays.

Added Takamaru. I believe him to be the most likely Retro character.

No new F-Zero, Earthbound, or Pikmin rep.

Added Palutena for Kid Icarus. I will be devastated not to see her in. I would classify her as my #1 most wanted character.

Kept R.O.B. and Ice Climbers

No new AC reps outside of the Villager. same for WFT.

No New Star Fox rep. Kept Mr. Game and Watch.

Added Little Mac. I think he is the most likely rebooted retro character.

I kept both PKMN Trainer and Lucario and added Mewtwo/Newtwo. While Lucario is a bit iffy, I think he will stay.

Kept Ike. He is the second most popular Lord in Japan and still immensely popular in the West plus a fan favorite. Added Chrom due to the most recent release.

Added the two blonde hunks: Shulk and Issac. Shulk because he is both popular, is the star of a critically acclaimed RPG, and, IMO, helps represents the new franchises.

I added Isaac due to his AT status in SSBB, is very popular, and is the mascot of his franchise. Not to mention he has a fair amount of support.

I added Mii. I hate the idea but I think its inevitable. Nintendo whites these little guys out and makes them playable in every Nintendo related game.

I added Pac Man because, IMO, I do think we will be getting a Namco rep. We've gone over this many times if he is likely or not but, I think that of all of the Namco reps, he has the most likely chances of being included. I do not want him though and would prefer another Namco rep such as Lloyd, Nightmare, Jin, KOS-MOS, or even Yoshimitsu.

I removed Snake but it was painful. While I love Snake, I don't want him back. Not do I want Sonic back but he seems more likely to return. I feel both should be restricted as guest characters and should be Brawl only. As well, it would allow other possible 3rd party candidates. [/collapse]

Again, this is subject to chance. Ideas? Suggestions? Insults?

 

[TheTuninator]

But the character can also be female, and thus wouldn't fully represent them.

Which is an unavoidable problem, sadly. A hooded MU will still need to declare a gender due to build and voice. Going to excessive lengths to create a completely genderless character would end up rendering MU absurd.

 

[mimgrim]

There really isn't any good way to make Robin "gender-neutral". They'd probably just go with the default male MU if they added him in.

Just make Robin hooded, like he/she is in the cutscenes. Sheesh if the game that Robin originates from was able to pull it off then why can't Smash? e_e

As for top 5 most wanted newcomers... In no paticular order

Geno (Probably not gonna happen D
Yoshiya "Joshua" Liryu (Same with Geno D
Some kind of Etrian Odyssey charatcer)
Shulk/Zael/Aeron (If one gets in I think the other 2 should also so they can all represent the last 3 good games on the Wii but not likely)
Krystal (Has a decent chance, is a female furry, and just more furries in general)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

FANTASY ROSTER!!!!

Baby Yoshi Moves:

B: Toungue (He eats you, but only damages you and spits you back out, he can not egg people yet.

B >: Egg Roll: It is harder to control, pausing before it turns, it also traps you in the ground like the pitfall item

B ^: Egg Throw (It explodes like Link's Bomb)

B v: Ground Pound (Pretty much the same)

He sleeps when he is ducking and he is always sitting down in his idle animation.

FINAL SMASH: Lullaby (He is a powerful character as it is, thus his Final Smash heals him entirely, but leaves opponents unharmed.

Shy Guy:

B: Slingshot

B >: Pyro Guy

B ^: Fly Guy

B v: Flower Guy (Sheild)

FINAL SMASH: Tribal Dance (Lightning)

Bomberman (never mentioned in my actual roster)

B: Bomb spawn (press repeatedly to grow Bomb bigger)

B >: Bomb throw

B ^: Bomber Copter (from Bomberman Hero)

FINAL SMASH: Revenge Mode (Cannon shoots bombs similar to Snake's Final Smash)

A v: Bomb Kick

Metal Mario - Can only be unlocked by beating classic mode with ALL other characters. He does not appear as an opponent in classic mode, All-Star, or Adventure. No there are NO Metal Boxes in my Fantasy Roster ya dunce.

 

[TheTuninator]

Just make Robin hooded, like he/she is in the cutscenes. Sheesh if the game that Robin originates from was able to pull it off then why can't Smash?

And what about his or her voice? What about the build? Female MU has a slightly different outfit and is visibly female, even with the robes.

 

[mimgrim]

Which is an unavoidable problem, sadly. A hooded MU will still need to declare a gender due to build and voice. Going to excessive lengths to create a completely genderless character would end up rendering MU absurd.

A gender neutral voice shouldn't be to hard, or Robin could not have a voice and just have all the sound Robin admits come from the weapons (not voices obviously lol)

And what about his or her voice? What about the build? Female MU has a slightly different outfit and is visibly female, even with the robes.

The cutscenes in which Robin had a part in he/she was hooded and they had no problem with the build. Like I said, if the game that Robin originated from could pull it off then so can Smash. As for the voice, see above.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

People mistake the appearance of Robin as something that would bar the character from being in smash. There are many solutions, some of which do not conflict with canon appearances. All sakurai would need to do is chose.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

People mistake the appearance of Robin as something that would bar the character from being in smash. There are many solutions, some of which do not conflict with canon appearances. All sakurai would need to do is chose.

Uh, the only reason I thought Robin wouldn't get in is because Chrom is the main character and while Robin is A main character he is an avatar. What's this I hear about his appearance being a problem???

 

[TheTuninator]

A gender neutral voice shouldn't be to hard, or Robin could not have a voice and just have all the sound Robin admits come from the weapons (not voices obviously lol)

A "gender-neutral" voice would be essentially Marth's and still causes the "not my MU" problem, for example with people who made a gruff, manly MU. There's no real way for Nintendo to create a wholly non-specific MU, so the best option is simply to pick the default and go with it, much as they did for Villager.

 

[Autumn ♫]

It's still a work a work in progress but this is a prediction roster I am very comfortable with; both in terms of characters and as well as predictions.

[collapse=Added:]
King K. Rool
Takamaru
Ridley
Palutena
Little Mac
Mewtwo/Newtwo
Chrom
Shulk
Isaac
Pac Man[/collapse]

[collapse=Replaced:]
Toon link with Retro Link[/collapse]

Total Chars: 48 characters, 14 newcomers, 8 representing a new franchise

[collapse=reasoning]I hate the design of this roster so I will most likely edit or alter it in the new future. Too.....unbalanced. Anyways, I know it is a bit heavy on new franchises plus 48 characters. However, I do feel that 45-50 characters are fairly realistic especially if you consider if the game will be more focused on characters and gameplay rather than content and goodies. Plus, I think many people tend to underestimate the power of the 3DS.

I don't think we will get any Mario characters, but if we do, I believe it will be a toss up between Junior and Toad. I categorize both Yoshi and Wario as Mario characters. DK has moved out of that umbrella in Brawl and became its own represented franchise IMO.

Personally, I do prefer King K. Rool over Dixie and still believe he wins over likeliness but Dixie is almost tied with him in terms of support and likeliness. It could go either way.

No new Yoshi or Wario reps.

For Loz, I took out Toon Link and added Retro Link since the new 3DS game will be coming out (if I am correct). Since Noah will go into conniptions why I added SS Zelda, it is merely an aesthetic choice and personal bias. i would prefer SS Zelda.

For Metroid, added Ridley. He needs to be in. ZZS stays.

Added Takamaru. I believe him to be the most likely Retro character.

No new F-Zero, Earthbound, or Pikmin rep.

Added Palutena for Kid Icarus. I will be devastated not to see her in. I would classify her as my #1 most wanted character.

Kept R.O.B. and Ice Climbers

No new AC reps outside of the Villager. same for WFT.

No New Star Fox rep. Kept Mr. Game and Watch.

Added Little Mac. I think he is the most likely rebooted retro character.

I kept both PKMN Trainer and Lucario and added Mewtwo/Newtwo. While Lucario is a bit iffy, I think he will stay.

Kept Ike. He is the second most popular Lord in Japan and still immensely popular in the West plus a fan favorite. Added Chrom due to the most recent release.

Added the two blonde hunks: Shulk and Issac. Shulk because he is both popular, is the star of a critically acclaimed RPG, and, IMO, helps represents the new franchises.

I added Isaac due to his AT status in SSBB, is very popular, and is the mascot of his franchise. Not to mention he has a fair amount of support.

I added Mii. I hate the idea but I think its inevitable.

I added Pac Man because, IMO, I do think we will be getting a Namco rep. We've gone over this many times if he is likely or not but, I think that of all of the Namco reps, he has the most likely chances of being included. I do not want him though and would prefer another Namco rep such as Lloyd, Nightmare, Jin, KOS-MOS, or even Yoshimitsu.[/collapse]

Again, this is subject to chance. Ideas? Suggestions? Insults?

Lol
Anyways, I don't really think Yoshi and Wario would count as Mario characters as they have different icons and represent different series. So, my only complaint would be Pokemon having more characters than Zelda and Mario. Other than that I think it's a good roster.Although I really don't like the idea of Classic Link being a playable character.

 

[TheTuninator]

Pokemon had more characters than Zelda and Mario in Brawl. I wouldn't be surprised if they had more reps again in SSB4.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Pokemon had more characters than Zelda and Mario in Brawl. I wouldn't be surprised if they had more reps again in SSB4.

Unless 35 isn't the number of characters we got in Brawl, I'm pretty sure Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda all got 4 characters each.

 

[mimgrim]

Unless 35 isn't the number of characters we got in Brawl, I'm pretty sure Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda all got 4 characters each.

Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters actually, I believe.

 

[TheTuninator]

Unless 35 isn't the number of characters we got in Brawl, I'm pretty sure Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda all got 4 characters each.

Pokemon Trainer is 3 characters. Don't have the quote on me at the moment, but Sakurai apparently considers transformation characters as separate characters when counting the total roster. As well he should, too. ZSS, Sheik, Ivysaur and Charizard still took a full character's worth of resources to develop even though they are not independently playable.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Uh, the only reason I thought Robin wouldn't get in is because Chrom is the main character and while Robin is A main character he is an avatar. What's this I hear about his appearance being a problem???

Never said I was referring to you. I see it a lot and its not a problem.

 

[Deleted member]

@Venus: Great roster there. Only thing I would do is add Dixie Kong alongside King K. Rool. I think Donkey Kong can merit two characters this time around and both have strong résumé. Would help make your roster look better as well.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Simple way of having Robin

Default Costume: Male Robin (Default)
Alt Costume: Female Robin (Default)
Voice: Universal (Light Enough to be both a Young Male and Female)
And through speech Robin never refers to his/her gender.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Pokemon Trainer is 3 characters. Don't have the quote on me at the moment, but Sakurai apparently considers transformation characters as separate characters when counting the total roster. As well he should, too. ZSS, Sheik, Ivysaur and Charizard still took a full character's worth of resources to develop even though they are not independently playable.

I agree with it taking up 39 character models yes, but I believe that balance wise he seems to count the number of slots.
If we look at the 64 version, Mario and Pokemon were the 2 biggest franchises by far and he gave them priority over the smaller franchises.
In Melee Mario had 5 being the mascot and the biggest selling franchise to Nintendo and Zelda and Pokemon had 4 being the 2nd and 3rd most selling franchise to them.
In Brawl, Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon each had the same amount of characters being, again, the 3 biggest franchises.
So, in character models yes, I believe that Sakarai counts it as 39 characters but with the number of slots Sakarai seems to keep balanced enough.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I have to admit, the middle path is a tough one. If they go with a choice between male an female its likely that a bone structure will be altered or at least the mesh will be. If they're willing to go those lengths than a second voice option wouldn't be too much of a hassle to implement. A gender neutral appearance is possible but I'm not sure I would recommend a voice to go with it. Being a mute is also possible but hes one of the few people who actually talks. In my opinion a voice should be used.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I have to admit, the middle path is a tough one. If they go with a choice between male an female its likely that a bone structure will be altered or at least the mesh will be. If they're willing to go those lengths than a second voice option wouldn't be too much of a hassle to implement. A gender neutral appearance is possible but I'm not sure I would recommend a voice to go with it. Being a mute is also possible but hes one of the few people who actually talks. In my opinion a voice should be used.

Well, if this has to deal to Robin for example, just make bth the male and female looks the same size. It is not that big of difference that it would look weird.

A male Robin does not have to be a Hector or Ike. He is practically as skinny or small as Marth.

 

[Xiivi]

It's still a work a work in progress but this is a prediction roster I am very comfortable with; both in terms of characters and as well as predictions.

[collapse=Added:]
King K. Rool
Takamaru
Ridley
Palutena
Little Mac
Mewtwo/Newtwo
Chrom
Shulk
Isaac
Pac Man[/collapse]

[collapse=Replaced:]
Toon link with Retro Link[/collapse]

Total Chars: 48 characters, 14 newcomers, 8 representing a new franchise

Again, this is subject to chance. Ideas? Suggestions? Insults?

You don't have Snake on the roster or listed as removed. Also you don't have Mii in your added section.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Well, if this has to deal to Robin for example, just make bth the male and female looks the same size. It is not that big of difference that it would look weird.

A male Robin does not have to be a Hector or Ike. He is practically as skinny or small as Marth.

I suppose it is possible, in fact I can envision what you're talking about. But its all up in the air and I can't deal any absolutes.

I was referring more towards shoulder width and hip size. Depending on the stance and how Robin holds him/herself, it possibly could give a masculine or feminine impression. The animators simply would have to be committed to a gender neutral look.

 

[TheTuninator]

I have to admit, the middle path is a tough one. If they go with a choice between male an female its likely that a bone structure will be altered or at least the mesh will be. If they're willing to go those lengths than a second voice option wouldn't be too much of a hassle to implement. A gender neutral appearance is possible but I'm not sure I would recommend a voice to go with it. Being a mute is also possible but hes one of the few people who actually talks. In my opinion a voice should be used.

One of the biggest problems with making MU gender-neutral is that most of the proposed solutions violate at least part of MU's character. As you observe, MU needs a voice. Robin talks constantly; indeed, Robin's ability to get along with anyone and his prolific conversations are a focus of the game. A hooded Robin compromises the character by sending off a strong evil vibe; a dark hood over a shadowy face carries certain connotations, particularly if the character makes no sound at all.

The only real option is to go with a default or, in a very unlikely scenario, have both male and female gender swaps. Trying to have a voice that could be a man's or a woman's would be a mistake. Better to go whole hog and have two audio sets at that point. That being said, Robin really wouldn't warrant that much attention relative to other characters, and so Sakurai probably would just settle on a default.

As Gingerbread Man observes, "male" and "female" animations and poses are often different, and to have one single set of animations for two characters of different gender might end up looking odd.

Overall, it's just extremely unlikely that the team would lavish Robin with this much attention when they aren't even getting an extra moveset out of it.

 

[3Bismyname]

i highly doubt Robin would be a new character anyway.

 

[TheTuninator]

If we get an Awakening rep I could see it being any one out of the trio of Chrom, Lucina, and Robin. For my money, Chrom has the best odds.

 

[3Bismyname]

yeah of the 3 Chrom has the best shot imo.

 

[Drclaw411]

Here is my dream roster...

Blue = starting character, red = unlockable.

Tomorrow I re-post this and provide description and reasoning. I'm quite tired now though, so right now im going to bed lol

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

One of the biggest problems with making MU gender-neutral is that most of the proposed solutions violate at least part of MU's character. As you observe, MU needs a voice. Robin talks constantly; indeed, Robin's ability to get along with anyone and his prolific conversations are a focus of the game. A hooded Robin compromises the character by sending off a strong evil vibe; a dark hood over a shadowy face carries certain connotations, particularly if the character makes no sound at all.

The only real option is to go with a default or, in a very unlikely scenario, have both male and female gender swaps. Trying to have a voice that could be a man's or a woman's would be a mistake. Better to go whole hog and have two audio sets at that point. That being said, Robin really wouldn't warrant that much attention relative to other characters, and so Sakurai probably would just settle on a default.

As Gingerbread Man observes, "male" and "female" animations and poses are often different, and to have one single set of animations for two characters of different gender might end up looking odd.

Overall, it's just extremely unlikely that the team would lavish Robin with this much attention when they aren't even getting an extra moveset out of it.

It would apply to more than just Robin though.

The likes of Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, whatever PKMN Trainer we get, and Mii would have it too.

The costume idea does work, you don't really need different voices. Although that would be nice.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I suppose my experiences are just different but the hooded look doesn't give an off an evil vibe for me. Just a mysterious one. I mean Jedi, assassins creed guys, Aragorn's first appearance in the fellowship of the ring. They all don't seem evil, just mysterious.

...God what I just said was nerdy.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

STARTER PREDICTIONS

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Lol
Anyways, I don't really think Yoshi and Wario would count as Mario characters as they have different icons and represent different series. So, my only complaint would be Pokemon having more characters than Zelda and Mario. Other than that I think it's a good roster.Although I really don't like the idea of Classic Link being a playable character.

They may have their own separate "franchises", I still lump them under the "Mario" umbrella and treat them as spin-off series. It would be like Tingle being playable but him representing his stupid Tingle games that he has; complete with a Rupee symbol. On paper he may be his own series but, deep down, he is a Zelda character. I find Wario and Yoshi to be in the same case. While they do have their own franchise, deep down, they are Mario characters and I consider them under the Mario umbrella.

@Venus: Great roster there. Only thing I would do is add Dixie Kong alongside King K. Rool. I think Donkey Kong can merit two characters this time around and both have strong résumé. Would help make your roster look better as well.

Thanks. I do see Dixie Kong being added alongside K. Rool but I don't see a 50 character roster personally. 48, while not impossible, isn't extremely realistic. If I did add Dixie, I would take out Isaac which I didn't want to do. I might consider it. I would love to see Dixie playable but I still see K. Rool as being more likely considering his overwhelming popularity and demand which has not lost steam for a long time; while Dixie has just recently received a large amount of attention due to the most recent Donkey Kong.

You don't have Snake on the roster or listed as removed. Also you don't have Mii in your added section.

Thanks! I fixed it.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

They may have their own separate "franchises", I still lump them under the "Mario" umbrella and treat them as spin-off series. It would be like Tingle being playable but him representing his stupid Tingle games that he has; complete with a Rupee symbol. On paper he may be his own series but, deep down, he is a Zelda character. I find Wario and Yoshi to be in the same case. While they do have their own franchise, deep down, they are Mario characters and I consider them under the Mario umbrella.



Thanks. I do see Dixie Kong being added alongside K. Rool but I don't see a 50 character roster personally. 48, while not impossible, isn't extremely realistic. If I did add Dixie, I would take out Isaac which I didn't want to do. I might consider it. I would love to see Dixie playable but I still see K. Rool as being more likely considering his overwhelming popularity and demand which has not lost steam for a long time; while Dixie has just recently received a large amount of attention due to the most recent Donkey Kong.



Thanks! I fixed it.

I think anybody who counts Wario, Yoshi, and DK as Mario characters is a lazy and pathetic excuse to add more Poke'mon or Zelda characters without having to put in more Mario Characters.

 

[AEMehr]

STARTER PREDICTIONS

>Sheriff Starter
>Wii Fit Trainer Unlockable
Yeah, I doubt that much. Especially since every announcement trailer's Nintendo characters are available from the start.

I saw people posting fantasy rosters.
I must join this trend.