Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

Personally I think the best roster for fire emblem would be Marth, Ike, Roy, Lyn. But Chrom is a strong choice as well since he is so popular.

I agree. Roy is currently the most popular FE newcomer/returning veteran, and Lyn is 3rd behing Roy and Chrom.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I agree. Roy is currently the most popular FE newcomer/returning veteran, and Lyn is 3rd behing Roy and Chrom.

I wouldn't lose one minute of sleep if Roy replaced Ike. But I would prefer to see Marth, Roy, Eirika, and Lyn.

 

[MagnesD3]

I agree. Roy is currently the most popular FE newcomer/returning veteran, and Lyn is 3rd behing Roy and Chrom.

Yeah I also feel lyn would represent western audiences first fire emblem protagonist thats why I consider her more important than chrom, but chrom is definitely popular due to his game being awesome and new.

 

[BluePikmin11]

@OoD's roster
Saki is pretty unlikely to be next choice for Sakurai. I really think Toon Zelda is not a good choice at this point, we literally have Toon Link representing the other side of Zelda. Bowser Jr. is not really a good choice for a Mario rep, I prefer Toad next. You might wanna change King K. Rool's spot to Dixie Kong, as of now she is more likely than him. Also it definitely needs Pac-Man. Overall a good prediction roster.

 

[FalKoopa]

I wouldn't lose one minute of sleep if Roy replaced Ike. But I would prefer to see Marth, Roy, Eirika, and Lyn.

I would, though. Ike's return is a bigger priority for me than Roy's comeback. Of course, Lyn is above both of them.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Main protagonist of FE7 is not lyn.

 

[FalKoopa]

Main protagonist of FE7 is not lyn.

Who cares? Intelligent Systems is giving her the spotlight.

The 3rd most popular FE candidate at this point. Has already been an assist trophy, so Sakurai acknowledges her popularity. Combine that with the 2nd most unique Fire Emblem lord ever (only Micaiah beats her there). What's not to like?

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Who cares? Intelligent Systems is giving her the spotlight.

The 3rd most popular FE candidate at this point. Has already been an assist trophy, so Sakurai acknowledges her popularity. Combine that with the 2nd most unique Fire Emblem lord ever (only Micaiah beats her there). What's not to like?

Intelligent systems is also going crazy over Chrom and Lucian, but here on smashboards we don't like them, so lets just ignore that.

Uniqueness is debatable. I would say hector, Robin, micaiah and possibly ephraim have the potential to be more unique than Lyn. And since we're choosing Lyn, somebody who not the main character, over Eliwood all those options are perfectly viable.

 

[FalKoopa]

Uniqueness is debatable. I would say hector, Robin, micaiah and possibly ephraim have the potential to be more unique than Lyn. And since we're choosing Lyn, somebody who not the main character, over Eliwood all those options are perfectly viable.

Whoops, you got me there. I'll admit that they're more unique.

Eliwood isn't a good idea simply because gameplay wise, Roy is Eliwood with a Fire Sword.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Eliwood isn't a good idea simply because gameplay wise, Roy is Eliwood with a Fire Sword.

Yeah I can agree with that. People have even mistaken Eliwood for Roy in the past.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

What? Literally almost all of Zelda's moves are magic. Unless you're counting Sheik as part of that. Sheik would make Zelda stick out even more though anyway.

Zelda is more physical than Micaiah is, that is basically what I meant. She can go up and close and attack. Micaiah can as well (with her tome), but she is mainly a magic user. Zelda just offers a little bit more.

Micaiah might borrow the normal attacks from Zelda, but I'm sure the specials would be different. Micaiah using magic which are actually used by Link in Ocarina of Time makes no sense.

Well Micaiah would attack with her tome. Not a big difference but it would be noticeable.

I think standards is what Micaiah would borrow from Zelda. There aren't many ways that they can interpret magic like attacks into normals without some of them being pretty similar to Zelda's.

Yes, there would be similarites to Zelda, and even other characters. Like a Down+B Light attack (similar to Pikachu).

Personally I think the best roster for fire emblem would be Marth, Ike, Roy, Lyn. But Chrom is a strong choice as well since he is so popular.

That would be an interesting roster

Mine would be Marth, Chrom, Robin, and Lyn.



@Noah J. Linderer

I have used her, one of my favorites in Brawl, but I also haven't played Brawl in quite some time. All I know is she is not entirely magic. While I can say now she is mostly, like Micaiah would be, there would still be some differences. Micaiah using a tome while Zelda uses her hands. Etc.

Not a big difference, but that doesn't mean she is totally not likely as a character because she would be similar to another. We already have had characters like that (Falcon/Ganondorf, Marth/Roy, Ness/Lucas, the Star Fox trio, etc). That is all I am saying, you can't really count Micaiah or any Fire Emblem mage out.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I would like to see more interesting rosters and how they balance out:
Instead of predicting, why not tell your opinion if that were to be the roster?
Here's mine, I feel I I have a perfect balance of great and memorable Nintendo characters that round their franchises as a whole:

What if this was the roster?

 

[FalKoopa]

What if this was the roster?

Would be unhappy to see Ike and Lucario go, and don't like the inclusion of King Hippo, and also would dislike no K. Rool.

Of course, if this did become the final roster, I'll have to swallow it up like a bitter pill. What can I possibly do?

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

I would like to see more interesting rosters and how they balance out:
Instead of predicting, why not tell your opinion if that were to be the roster?
Here's mine, I feel I I have a perfect balance of great and memorable Nintendo characters that round their franchises as a whole:

What if this was the roster?

Disappointed in 2 AC reps, King Hippo, and lack of K. Rool. Would be fine with it as a whole, but would be disappoined that characters like Ike and Lucario were cut but we got King Hippo and Tom Nook

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think King Hippo would a unique character IMO
Rosters always end up disappointing just like that 35 Brawl roster we had bitterly swallowed after a while.

Disappointed in 2 AC reps, King Hippo, and lack of K. Rool. Would be fine with it as a whole, but would be disappoined that characters like Ike and Lucario were cut but we got King Hippo and Tom Nook

Tom Nook was your start in life in nearly every AC game, you came to his shop to buy furniture and give you your new house, you needed him to get tools to catch butterflies, swing up a fish, and chop down a tree. It's almost as if it's crucial to talk to Tom Nook all the time. That amount of significance is why I added Tom Nook.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Tom Nook was your start in life in nearly every AC game, you came to his shop to buy furniture and give you your new house, you needed him to get tools to catch butterflies, swing up a fish, and chop down a tree. It's almost as if it's crucial to talk to Tom Nook all the time. That amount of significance is why I added Tom Nook.

Yes, but do Animal Crossing or Punch-Out deserve 2 reps? I would be part upset with the character, but mainly upset because the series would feel over-represented.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yes, but do Animal Crossing or Punch-Out deserve 2 reps? I would be part upset with the character, but mainly upset because the series would feel over-represented.

Star Fox felt overrepresented also, with the inclusion of Wolf, but maybe that's because Wolf was an interesting character to try to implement to Sak's eyes. I think Tom Nook and King Hippo have that interesting potential.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Star Fox felt overrepresented also, with the inclusion of Wolf, but maybe that's because Wolf was an interesting character to try to implement to Sak's eyes. I think Tom Nook and King Hippo have that interesting potential.

Maybe is the key word there. We don't know why Sakurai included Wolf.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Maybe is the key word there. We don't know why Sakurai included Wolf.

He was popular?

That's pretty much what it boils down to.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well it's definitely for a good reason alright!

 

[mimgrim]

I would like to see more interesting rosters and how they balance out:
Instead of predicting, why not tell your opinion if that were to be the roster?

So you want us to come up with a more balanced ideal roster instead of something suppose to be a bit more realistic?

Well.... I cam up with this....

I interpeted balancing out differently then you did, but still even with the whole way I looked at "balancing" I still couldn't get character I wanted more into there. xD

But again, just to get people away from jumping onto and tearing this lsit to pieces, it is NOT meant to be realistic. Then again I might have just mis-read everything Blue typed out to begin with... Now that I read that post again i probably did mis read it... oh well....

 

[BluePikmin11]

If that was the final roster, I would be very confused with all those Toon versions and those slyux Metroid things being the game, and Aeron and Zael and Shulk being in the game at the same time would confuse me more.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here is a good reason Michaih should be an assist trophy and not an actual character:

Each has their own unique attacks and battle strategies, and they make the game more interesting. If I have an image of a character in my mind that dances around and jibes with what I want, then that's the most important thing.
On the other hand, even if you have a character suited for a fighting game, if you can't make him stick out from the pack and extract something unique from him, then what can you do? - Masahiro Sakurai​

Maybe is the key word there. We don't know why Sakurai included Wolf.

Or more correctly, YOU don't know why.He has been requested since SSB64, He is a very popular and loved character in Starfox, and is the badass rival of the game that everybody wants.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Or more correctly, YOU don't know why.He has been requested since SSB64, He is a very popular and loved character in Starfox, and is the badass rival of the game that everybody wants.

I was more or less responding that he said Sakurai might of included Wolf because he thought we was interesting. He used "maybe" and I was more or less saying that maybe doesn't mean much for characters.

 

[FalKoopa]

I lol'd when I saw it. But yeah, I'll happily accept it.

EDIT: Would have much preferred Toon Zelda + Tetra.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's like Nintendo doesn't give a crap on that roster.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here is a good reason Michaih should be an assist trophy and not an actual character:

Each has their own unique attacks and battle strategies, and they make the game more interesting. If I have an image of a character in my mind that dances around and jibes with what I want, then that's the most important thing.​

On the other hand, even if you have a character suited for a fighting game, if you can't make him stick out from the pack and extract something unique from him, then what can you do? - Masahiro Sakurai​

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So....how does that exclude Michiah?

She's pretty different from everyone in the cast.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here is a good reason Michaih should be an assist trophy and not an actual character:

"Each has their own unique attacks and battle strategies, and they make the game more interesting. If I have an image of a character in my mind that dances around and jibes with what I want, then that's the most important thing.
On the other hand, even if you have a character suited for a fighting game, if you can't make him stick out from the pack and extract something unique from him, then what can you do?" - Masahiro Sakurai

This also makes me worry about characters like Ninten, Chrom, and Dixie Kong.​

Maybe is the key word there. We don't know why Sakurai included Wolf.

Or more correctly, YOU don't know why.He has been requested since SSB64, He is a very popular and loved character in Starfox, and is the badass rival of the game that everybody wants.

I would like to see more interesting rosters and how they balance out:
Instead of predicting, why not tell your opinion if that were to be the roster?
Here's mine, I feel I I have a perfect balance of great and memorable Nintendo characters that round their franchises as a whole:

What if this was the roster?

I don't think you have a perfect balance of great and memorable Nintendo Characters. For example you have characters like Red Hero & Prince Sable. And you remove memorable characters like Ike and King K. Rool to make room for people like King Hippo and Prince Sable & ......ugh.....RED HERO?

Okay, King Hippo isn't a BAD idea, but it does feel a little unnecessary. And again if we have Villager then Tom Nook is 100% Pointless. It doesn't even make sense. If Tom Nook is meant to be a Semi-clone of Villager how would you do that? Villager's moves represent the GAME Animal Crossing, not the actual Villager. So what would Tom Nook do? You have to pick between the two and Sakurai already did. Also Tom Nook was in the trailer and HE didn't get a letter.

And you have a 2nd party character (which is still considered a Platinum rep.) from a game that isn't even out yet. Project P-100 does NOT deserve a spot at all.

I mean I DO appreciate that you try to keep characters in and although Ike is really popular it's better him than Wolf. What matters is I can tell you ARE trying. But, the ONLY problem with this roster is that you have characters that don't DESERVE to be playable. Rid Tom Nook and make Prince Sable & King Hippo Assist Trophies and leave room for the more popular nominees.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think you see further on why I included those characters.
Maybe you should try to find out whats unique about them, and their part in their franchise and in Nintendo's history.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here is a good reason Michaih should be an assist trophy and not an actual character:

"Each has their own unique attacks and battle strategies, and they make the game more interesting. If I have an image of a character in my mind that dances around and jibes with what I want, then that's the most important thing.​

On the other hand, even if you have a character suited for a fighting game, if you can't make him stick out from the pack and extract something unique from him, then what can you do?" - Masahiro Sakurai​

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This also makes me worry about characters like Ninten, Chrom, and Dixie Kong.​

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You know restating the quote doesn't actually do anything.

I'm saying Michiah easily stands out from the rest of the cast, so how does the quote disprove her?

And do you really think Dixie Kong would be too similar to Diddy? Chrom and Ninten are understandable, but Dixie and Michiah?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Dixie has long hair, Diddy does not.
Theres a difference.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You know restating the quote doesn't actually do anything.

I'm saying Michiah easily stands out from the rest of the cast, so how does the quote disprove her?

And do you really think Dixie Kong would be too similar to Diddy? Chrom and Ninten are understandable, but Dixie and Michiah?

If you have a moveset for Dixie and a moveset for Michiah that is sufficently unique from Zelda, Paulatena, Issac, and Mewtwo.

The quote doesn't disprove her. It makes me even more concerned she is a bad idea and works better as an assist trophy.

I don't think you see further on why I included those characters.
Maybe you should try to find out whats unique about them, and their part in their franchise and in Nintendo's history.

I do know what's unique about them, and I do know their place in Nintendo's history. That is why I posted what I posted.

Dixie has long hair, Diddy does not.
Theres a difference.

Do you people not understand the difference between

Not being very unique
and
Being EXACTLY THE SAME???

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai can't just trash an idea like that you know.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Sakurai can't just trash an idea like that you know.

You clearly don't understand what I'm getting at in the slightest.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That Dixie is a bad idea, and you identify her as Diddy Kong, only with long hair, and that is really boring??????????

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That Dixie is a bad idea, and you identify her as Diddy Kong, only with long hair, and that is really boring??????????

OH, WOW! OKAY! How about just claim I said a million things I NEVER SAID!!!!!!!!!

I never said she was a bad idea!
I never identified her as Diddy Kong nor did I even mention Diddy Kong's NAME or said she was Diddy Kong with long hair!
I also never said she was boring!

I said I worry about Dixie Kong and Michaih because characters need to be as unique as they can.

I never said they were clones.
I never said they couldn't work at all.
I never said they'd be EXACTLY the same.

I simply am CONCERNED that they might not be AS different from other characters in the roster.

Thank You

 

[mimgrim]

If that was the final roster, I would be very confused with all those Toon versions and those slyux Metroid things being the game, and Aeron and Zael and Shulk being in the game at the same time would confuse me more.

Well my reasoning for the Toon versions was to kinda like balance out the Zelda cast with the realistic/older versions and the toon/child versions. My reason for Trace and Sylux is because people always ask for more Metroid reps, so why not put Ridley along with 2 characters from Hunters. lol And then my reasoning for Aeron, Zael, and Shulk is so that they could repesent the last 3 fantastic games for the Wii. But yea I highly doubt it has a remote chance of all that happening. Would be funny if it did happen though. XD

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah all the additions in my roster were unique in the their own way.
Try to look at it moveset wise.

Well my reasoning for the Toon versions was to kinda like balance out the Zelda cast with the realistic/older versions and the toon/child versions. My reason for Trace and Sylux is because people always ask for more Metroid reps, so why not put Ridley along with 2 characters from Hunters. lol And then my reasoning for Aeron, Zael, and Shulk is so that they could repesent the last 3 fantastic games for the Wii. But yea I highly doubt it has a remote chance of all that happening. Would be funny if it did happen though. XD

Yeah save space for future characters that could possibly overwhelm all the ones I complained about.

 

[mimgrim]

Yeah save space for future characters that could possibly overwhelm all the ones I complained about.

Err, can you eloborate please? o.o

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well my reasoning for the Toon versions was to kinda like balance out the Zelda cast with the realistic/older versions and the toon/child versions. My reason for Trace and Sylux is because people always ask for more Metroid reps, so why not put Ridley along with 2 characters from Hunters. lol And then my reasoning for Aeron, Zael, and Shulk is so that they could repesent the last 3 fantastic games for the Wii. But yea I highly doubt it has a remote chance of all that happening. Would be funny if it did happen though. XD

But if you are going to add Toon versions of EVERY character, you might as well add Paper Mario, Paper Luigi, Paper Peach, Paper Bowser, Metal Mario, Metal Luigi, Pichu, Pikachu, Raichu, Igglybuff, Wigglytuff, Mew, Mewtwo, Neo Mew, Riolu, Lucario, Squirtle, Warturtle, Charmander, Charmeleon, Bulbasaur, Venusaur, Dr. Mario, Nurse Peach, 8-Bit Mario, 8-bit Luigi, 8-bit Peach, 8-bit Bowser..........

Yeah all the additions in my roster were unique in the their own way.
Try to look at it moveset wise.

Moveset wise, yes. But character wise no.