Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

I say again, RoboPup for Smash Bros.

It's a robot, so PETA won't flip their ****.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I say again, RoboPup for Smash Bros.

It's a robot, so PETA won't flip their ****.

This reminds me of how I saw people who wanted the robot dog from Tokyo Jungle in PSASBR. Lol

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Re-posting this from the social thread since hardly anyone answered.

Here's a new 45-char roster I made since I was bored.
Review and critique.

-Mewtwo also has his X and Y form and may or may not count as a 6th-gen rep and newcomer.
-Megaman should have a red border. (unlockable)
-N would be a mix of Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer and fight on the battlefield alongside Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark.

Honestly, I'm expecting only 40 to 45 characters and many cuts, but I'll be gay if I'm proved wrong. I'll be gayer if every fighter, including the Melee clones, return.

 

[FalKoopa]

-N would be a mix of Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer and fight on the battlefield alongside Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark.

Considering that they have already run into issues with the Ice Climbers in the 3DS version, I heavily doubt they will add another character using the same gimmick.

 

[8-peacock-8]

-N would be a mix of Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer and fight on the battlefield alongside Reshiram, Zekrom, and Zoroark.

Doubt that will happen. Just like what Falkoops said.

He'd be better as another Pokemon Trainer.

EDIT: Crap. I accidentally double posted what i was going to edit into my post.

Is it weird that this is the roster i could see us ending up with?

I'm not saying we will end up with this. But it's just something that seems likely in my opinion. I am probably wrong though.

any other thoughts from peepz? (i feel like a tool for saying peeps.)

 

[Hyper Luigi]

I'm not at all convinced we'll get more DK or Metroid reps.

We really don't need two Links no matter how different they can play.

Villager is plenty for Animal Crossing.

Probably wont have Magnus as a 2nd Kid Icarus rep.

Interesting that that you cut Snake but I don't disagree with the choice per say.

Wonder Red would be a fun character but probably will get passed over unless they developers particularly like him.

I'm disappointed there is no Golden Sun rep.

Other than those things, looks alright to me.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

any other thoughts from peepz? (i feel like a tool for saying peeps.)

Magnus over Palutena... While it's possible, I doubt it. Maybe if he appeared in more chapters.

Other then that, I can see us getting something close to this roster, as depressing/unfortunate as it is. It's not completely safe as it's got a few interesting characters despite it's cuts. Having both Mewtwo and Lucario (Which is still realistically plausible) and Tom Nook and Villager isn't even remotely close to playing it that safe, and a Link between World's link just sounds nice.

I'm liking where this is going.

also nah you're not a tool but we'll all be tools for buying both versions of this damned game

 

[8-peacock-8]

Magnus over Palutena... While it's possible, I doubt it. Maybe if he appeared in more chapters.

Other then that, I can see us getting something close to this roster, as depressing/unfortunate as it is. It's not completely safe as it's got a few interesting characters despite it's cuts. Having both Mewtwo and Lucario (Which is still realistically plausible) and Tom Nook and Villager isn't even remotely close to playing it that safe, and a Link between World's link just sounds nice.

I'm liking where this is going.

also nah you're not a tool but we'll all be tools for buying both versions of this damned game

Yeah. It's pretty depressing. But i guess it could be considered understandable.

I can honestly see Tom Nook being a hidden character. (He'd be a Luigi-ish character)

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Yeah. It's pretty depressing. But i guess it could be considered understandable.

I can honestly see Tom Nook being a hidden character. (He'd be a Luigi-ish character)

Well it's surely still an interesting roster, and to non-fans (unlike some of the others I've seen the past few days) it'd probably be more interesting to them. It's not that bad by any means, but I guess time goes by and we'll see all in due time.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Well it's surely still an interesting roster, and to non-fans (unlike some of the others I've seen the past few days) it'd probably be more interesting to them. It's not that bad by any means, but I guess time goes by and we'll see all in due time.

True.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I still don't see where you get: Pac-Man = Zero possibility. Sakurai is stating that including a Namco character in the game won't be based on the fact that they helped develop SSB4 but whether a Namco character deserves to be in Smash Bros. If Sakurai decided to add a Namco character and he feels Pac-Man could add a lot to Smash Bros., then he will add him in. Namco characters inclusion works just as any other third party character inclusion. And I have no ****ing clue if he will be in the game or not...or a namco rep for that matter. No one 100% knows. Personally, I would much rather see a different Namco rep such as Lloyd or Nightmare but that's my own bias. However, I still recognize that Pac-Man does not have a absolute zero chance of being included. The possibility still exists if Sakurai decides he wants to add him in. It is the case of any other 3rd party character, not just Namco. In addition, I can definitely see haters saying "You only added [Namco character] because they helped develop the game." Possibly, Sakurai wanted to indicate to fans that there is a leveled field for choosing characters and he does not play favorites. How you saw "Pac-Man = Zero possibility" from that article is beyond me. I am not saying that Pac-Man is 100% guaranteed or even has a above average possibility - I am just stating that Pac-Man is possible regardless of that article as with any namco character or 3rd party character.

Sakurai is well aware of the character; drawing from the article you posted "My inquiry about Namco Bandai characters did lead Sakurai to ask me a question in return - if I had to pick one character, which Namco Bandai character would I want in Super Smash Bros.? The answer seemed obvious to me - the original arcade version of Pac-Man. Sakurai then asked me what a Final Smash might look like for that, and we started to discuss how how Pac-Man could become super-powered, and chase other characters around a stage, attempting to eat them. It was a surreal discussion to say the least, but shows that Sakurai is always contemplating what else he might add to his projects, packing them full of as much content as possible." I wouldn`t say that confirms or de-confirms Pac-Man. It does confirm Sakurai is aware and, at some level, acknowledged Pac-Man to some degree.

As for my quote, how did I lie? Please elaborate.

You are not the first to say "Namco won't have special treatment*. You first came here in May 2013 but people here have been speculating since before Smash Bros. 4 was announced and discussion between Namco`s involvement/character inclusion heavily discussed after Namco's involvement announcement. And the "Namco not getting special treatment" was around waaay before you decided to sign up. It's not an original idea from you, that's for sure.



Like how you admitted that Ninten and Lyndis is unlikely? And no, you aren't shoving it in people's faces. You are just being a pretentious douche that believes himself to be 100% correct every time; all the time when in fact you are not. You are a waste of my time to argue/debate with.

HAHAHAHA ! And WHERE does this prove the likeliness of Pac-Man? Yeah, I just posted proof from Sakurai himself, and the only way you try to convince yourself you are right is to say "Oh, this guy is clearly stupid. It's like talking to a brick wall because he doesn't say what I want to hear. I'll just set him to ignore." That's more effective than proof and sources. What you posted WOULD have backed up Pac-Man if it hadn't already been shot down by Sakurai.And there you go lying again using the term special "treatment" a word he never used. I'm sorry but, this is TOO good. You're right it's not fun debating with me. It's a BLAST debating with you. This is just hilarious. You replace a QUOTE with words he never used to make it sound like what you WANT to hear. I'm sorry but, name calling and saying I'm arrogant for proving you wrong on something does NOT prove your point. That's just painful. I LOVE it when you lose a debate so you have no choice, but to result to saying that debating with me is hopeless. But, in a way it is. Because you are terrible at it. You even said that ANY third party character is possible......................THAT is funny. I suppose you would fight to the death to try to prove the possibility of Master Cheif. Also I don't claim to be right 100% of the time JUST because I proved you wrong about something and there is nothing you can say to contradict it other than to claim he meant something completely different. Don't get so butthurt over nothing. I AM a waste of your time to debate with. Because you can't come up with anything to prove my point wrong other than to say "Oh, this is what Sakurai MEANT, Sakurai just didn't know what he was talking about." If anything it's a waster of time to talk with you. You have nothing to back up your argument, when you lose you result to name calling and saying I'm arrogant because you were wrong about something, and then you try to take a shot at a character from my roster with no reasons that a character is unlikely. If you won't listen to the CREATOR OF THE GAME, there is NO way ATTEMPTING to debate with you is a good ideas. If you want me to take you seriously please try harder next time. So just set me to ignore because you can't prove me wrong. Honestly I expected more from you.

 

[BluePikmin11]

HAHAHAHA ! And WHERE does this prove the likeliness of Pac-Man? Yeah, I just posted proof from Sakurai himself, and the only way you try to convince yourself you are right is to say "Oh, this guy is clearly stupid. It's like talking to a brick wall because he doesn't say what I want to hear. I'll just set him to ignore." That's more effective than proof and sources. What you posted WOULD have backed up Pac-Man if it hadn't already been shot down by Sakurai.And there you go lying again using the term special "treatment" a word he never used. I'm sorry but, this is TOO good. You're right it's not fun debating with me. It's a BLAST debating with you. This is just hilarious. You replace a QUOTE with words he never used to make it sound like what you WANT to hear. I'm sorry but, name calling and saying I'm arrogant for proving you wrong on something does NOT prove your point. That's just painful. I LOVE it when you lose a debate so you have no choice, but to result to saying that debating with me is hopeless. But, in a way it is. Because you are terrible at it. You even said that ANY third party character is possible......................THAT is funny. I suppose you would fight to the death to try to prove the possibility of Master Cheif. Also I don't claim to be right 100% of the time JUST because I proved you wrong about something and there is nothing you can say to contradict it other than to claim he meant something completely different. Don't get so butthurt over nothing. I AM a waste of your time to debate with. Because you can't come up with anything to prove my point wrong other than to say "Oh, this is what Sakurai MEANT, Sakurai just didn't know what he was talking about." If anything it's a waster of time to talk with you. You have nothing to back up your argument, when you lose you result to name calling and saying I'm arrogant because you were wrong about something, and then you try to take a shot at a character from my roster with no reasons that a character is unlikely. If you won't listen to the CREATOR OF THE GAME, there is NO way ATTEMPTING to debate with you is a good ideas. If you want me to take you seriously please try harder next time. So just set me to ignore because you can't prove me wrong. Honestly I expected more from you.

Pac-Man is still the best representation for Namco if Namco is ever going to get a character in Smash.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Noah.

You're an jerk. Have I ever told you that?

We've tried being nice.

Now I'm just fed up.

Get out.

 

[Hyper Luigi]

The more I read about what limitations Sakurai is setting the more my hype dies.

It is a real possibility Smash for Wii U and 3DS will actually have less playable move sets than Brawl did.

This is starting to feel like the Marvel vs. Capcom of Smash Bros. only it will actually have Mega Man.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Noah. You're a ****ing idiot. You are a dumb piece of **** and you need to get off your non existent high horse.

You are an arrogant piece of **** and you need to learn how much of a ****ing idiot you really are.

Die. i am seriously sick of idiots like him already.

 

[zauberdragon]

Noah, King of the Smash trolls. Sitting in his ivory tower with nothing but his unrealistic rosters as company.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Noah. You're a ****ing idiot. You are a dumb piece of **** and you need to get off your non existent high horse.

You are an arrogant piece of **** and you need to learn how much of a ****ing idiot you really are.

Die.

You sound angry.

 

[8-peacock-8]

You sound angry.

lol

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Considering that they have already run into issues with the Ice Climbers in the 3DS version, I heavily doubt they will add another character using the same gimmick.

Yeah, it's a shame. I forgot about that.

Doubt that will happen. Just like what Falkoops said.

He'd be better as another Pokemon Trainer.

EDIT: Crap. I accidentally double posted what i was going to edit into my post.

N could work by standing in the background like Red, but it just doesn't seem to fit his character.
I see N as the type who would fight alongside his Pokemon friends instead of ordering them around from a safe spot.

I know that's what he did in the penultimate battle of Pokemon Black and White, but that was a proper Pokemon battle, instead of a free-for-all.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Yeah, it's a shame. I forgot about that.


N could work by standing in the background like Red, but it just doesn't seem to fit his character.
I see N as the type who would fight alongside his Pokemon friends instead of ordering them around from a safe spot.

I know that's what he did in the penultimate battle of Pokemon Black and White, but that was a proper Pokemon battle, instead of a free-for-all.

The problem is that it isn't likely to happen because of the problems the 3DS version has. (Which you already mentioned how you accidentally forgot about it) Chances are in favor of being another Pokemon Trainer sadly. (Even though i wouldn't mind playing as the actual trainer)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Noah, King of the Smash trolls. Sitting in his ivory tower with nothing but his unrealistic rosters as company.

This is what I mean. When you have nothing to back up why you think my roster is even close to being as unrealistic as yours or when I prove that your characters don't work (even with confirmation from Sakurai.) You're only closing defense is "You're trolling". Sorry if the truth bothers you that much. Also Disagreeing and proving you wrong is NOT trolling. So far ZERO of you have responded to my post with actual facts. Here's a lit of thing you should no

1. Disagreeing and proof does not equal trolling.
2. The characters most likely is not the same as what the majority of characters this forum WANTS. I think if we have WII FIT TRAINER that Starfy, Ninten, or Ray aren't so impossible as you tried to convince yourself they were. As if they ever were impossible. It's just not what you had and wanted. Not everybody's roster is gonna be the same as you guys'. Come to think of it, for almost every character you point out on my roster you have one on your roster with more of the same reason you say that person won't happen. Here we go with the Hypocrisy again.

Please use facts to back up why a character is likely or unlikely.

so unless you have reasons why what I proved isn't true without using words that Sakurai didn't use, please move to a different subject. Or are you just gonna keep saying I'm trolling and use childish name calling because you can't.

Anybody?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

1. Disagreeing and proof does not equal trolling.

This coming from Noah is terribly ironic.

Dude, how many times have you accused us of trolling when we were stating our opinions?

 

[MagnesD3]

God I hope most people are wrong in here, way too many cuts, I'm hoping sakurai learned that cutting characters isn't a good idea based upon mewtwos and Roy's popularity to return...

 

[Deleted member]

You STILL haven't set Noah to Ignore, Swamp?

 

[Deleted member]

This is what I mean. When you have nothing to back up why you think my roster is even close to being as unrealistic as yours or when I prove that your characters don't work (even with confirmation from Sakurai.) You're only closing defense is "You're trolling". Sorry if the truth bothers you that much. Also Disagreeing and proving you wrong is NOT trolling. So far ZERO of you have responded to my post with actual facts. Here's a lit of thing you should no

1. Disagreeing and proof does not equal trolling.
2. The characters most likely is not the same as what the majority of characters this forum WANTS. I think if we have WII FIT TRAINER that Starfy, Ninten, or Ray aren't so impossible as you tried to convince yourself they were. As if they ever were impossible. It's just not what you had and wanted. Not everybody's roster is gonna be the same as you guys'. Come to think of it, for almost every character you point out on my roster you have one on your roster with more of the same reason you say that person won't happen. Here we go with the Hypocrisy again.

Please use facts to back up why a character is likely or unlikely.

so unless you have reasons why what I proved isn't true without using words that Sakurai didn't use, please move to a different subject. Or are you just gonna keep saying I'm trolling and use childish name calling because you can't.

Anybody?

I don't see Ninten as possible because he really is nothing but a clone of Ness (well the opposite really). There is nothing to set the two appart, especially when we already have Lucas who is all too similar to Ness. Starfy could get in... maybe, I'd take Starfy over Squirtle personally.

As for Ray. Nah, I don't see that happening.

I half agree with you about Pac-Man. I don't see it happening. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. Personally, Pac-Man doesn't have much interesting to bring to the table in regard to playstyle. And it seems Sakurai's focus with this game is unique characters with unique fighting styles. Meaning clones like Ninten or boring characters like Pac-Man are out of the question. But you never know, Sakurai is very unpreictable.

Keep in mind MissFit was not an random choice by Sakurai. He actually put a lot of thought when picking her. Sure, he wanted someone nobody could predict, but he also chose her because her fighting style was fresh and unique.

 

[zauberdragon]

This is what I mean. When you have nothing to back up why you think my roster is even close to being as unrealistic as yours or when I prove that your characters don't work (even with confirmation from Sakurai.) You're only closing defense is "You're trolling". Sorry if the truth bothers you that much. Also Disagreeing and proving you wrong is NOT trolling. So far ZERO of you have responded to my post with actual facts. Here's a lit of thing you should no

1. Disagreeing and proof does not equal trolling.
2. The characters most likely is not the same as what the majority of characters this forum WANTS. I think if we have WII FIT TRAINER that Starfy, Ninten, or Ray aren't so impossible as you tried to convince yourself they were. As if they ever were impossible. It's just not what you had and wanted. Not everybody's roster is gonna be the same as you guys'. Come to think of it, for almost every character you point out on my roster you have one on your roster with more of the same reason you say that person won't happen. Here we go with the Hypocrisy again.

Please use facts to back up why a character is likely or unlikely.

so unless you have reasons why what I proved isn't true without using words that Sakurai didn't use, please move to a different subject. Or are you just gonna keep saying I'm trolling and use childish name calling because you can't.

Anybody?

*Sigh* I've waited a while for this.

1. Your constant inability to use the sources at hand, or more pressingly to misconstrue them is truly phenomenal. I mean honestly. By day I'm a history student and you put some neo-nazis to shame through your inability to look at sources properly. Here's an example, the Pac-Man discussion yesterday, all you did is claim it proved that Pac-Man wouldn't be in the game. I'm sorry but it didn't. There was not a single sentence that backed that up. By all means use it to say he was less likely, you could have argued that, but you insisted in causing a massive argument by blindly ignoring the facts in return for no other reason than to stunt the conversation.

2. Your biting ability. For all I care you could have a roster full of Magicarps. I honestly couldn't care less, we're just a bunch of smash fans whittling down the days through hearty discussion. Everyone else on this forum responds courteously and puts forward their evidence or thoughts. You are alone in responding in the most disgusting manner. As soon as someone takes issue with you you straight away launch into a tirade of abuse while keeping your fingers in your ears and not listening to anyone. A little advice Noah, if you want to succeed not just on the forums or the internet, you need thicker skin then you currently have.

3. I've saved the best till last, hypocrisy. For someone so obsessed with the presentation of evidence (which I respect and find commendable yet me thinks your motives are not quite as genuine) you present none. You fume as someone calls you names yet you respond by insulting our intelligence and fabricating names we've called you. Today is the first time I'm ever really responded to you in any meaty capacity but you've already taken issue with me. By all means but do us all a favour and try to be civil in future.

To conclude, Noah, I'm happy you're passionate about but can't you see you killing the conversation for everyone else? If you truly were a smash fan, you'd listen to what people have got to say and discuss it in a civil way. I've not called you any names, I've not told you to get lost, nor have I raised any major issues with your roster here. All I ask is you stop twisting sources, bite at every opportunity and stop being a hypocrite.

Many Thanks.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You STILL haven't set Noah to Ignore, Swamp?

I like to actually see what people are talking about.

 

[Sharkarat]

I've not called you any names, I've not told you to get lost, nor have I raised any major issues with your roster here.

While I think most of your post ok, you really souldn't say that part when on the same page has said this:

Noah, King of the Smash trolls. Sitting in his ivory tower with nothing but his unrealistic rosters as company.

 

[zauberdragon]

While I think most of your post ok, you really souldn't say this part when on the same page is saying this:

Yeah I should've made it clear I meant within what I said in that one post. The first post was an attempt of humour to dismiss him, the second post was a realistic attempt of addressing some grievances in a civil way.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Noah is at it again? He brings nothing to the discussion except for hostility, assumptions, arrogance, and his inability to reason. He makes outlandish statements that generally causes the backlash he desires. IMO, he likes it to cause trouble and enjoys people getting angry with him. He loves the attention.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Noah is at it again? He brings nothing to the discussion except for hostility, assumptions, arrogance, and his inability to reason. He makes outlandish statements that generally causes the backlash he desires. IMO, he likes it to cause trouble and enjoys people getting angry with him. He loves the attention.

What did you expect from one of those pony abominations?

Also if he's getting on your nerves, report him. It's not that hard to do.

 

[Noler_Mass]

Noah is at it again? He brings nothing to the discussion except for hostility, assumptions, arrogance, and his inability to reason. He makes outlandish statements that generally causes the backlash he desires. IMO, he likes it to cause trouble and enjoys people getting angry with him. He loves the attention.

You seem to be glad you took my advice and ignored him.

Oh wow I went and checked and he was trying to make you look like an idiot and failing when swamp and the others got set off at him again.

Noah, I'm ignoring you at this point so I don't care what you have to say in return, but people aren't ignoring you because you are owning them in arguments, they are ignoring you because you are a ****ing idiot. I wonder if the mods can ban people...

 

[Layupfreak]

Noah is at it again? He brings nothing to the discussion except for hostility, assumptions, arrogance, and his inability to reason. He makes outlandish statements that generally causes the backlash he desires. IMO, he likes it to cause trouble and enjoys people getting angry with him. He loves the attention.

haha yo i was checking out your signature and its pretty awesome since i have similar tastes on who i want. aside from prince sable, toon zelda+ tetra, mach rider, ashley, dixie, sheriff, tom nook, andy and kos-mos, everyone on there is who i want + shulk and ghirahim. good choices though

 

[Noler_Mass]

Alright aside from all of this Noah ****, how much limitations do you guys think will be set on the smash bros titles? I think some of you are thinking too much on how the 3ds is going to hold the wii u version back. I think 45 character slots still seems reasonable when it comes to a new smash bros.

 

[Broodlaw]

That's not too much of a stretch, I would say more around the 35-40 range would be good for Smash, I mean the 3DS may have a small memory cache but it should have enough for that at least. I mean if it holds it back then it will be minor setbacks.

 

[Xiivi]

Personally I'm someone who would love it if no characters were cut and if all melee cuts were brought back as well as having a variety of newcomers, including new clonified characters. Of course original movesets are preferred, but if more clones were to mean more characters, I'm fine with that. Still, I don't see the need to feel a large amount of cuts and low number for the total roster would be a total disappointment. For example, I made this rather quickly:

Spoiler

I feel even with some disappointing cuts, that's a roster I would find exciting and enjoyable.

 

[_R@bid_]

About the whole reduced characters things. Did Sakurai say that BOTH versions would have their characters reduced, or was he only meaning the 3DS would have simpler characters, and it was assumed he would do the same to Wii U?

 

[MagnesD3]

My Newly updated realistic roster

 

[8-peacock-8]

Personally I'm someone who would love it if no characters were cut and if all melee cuts were brought back as well as having a variety of newcomers, including new clonified characters. Of course original movesets are preferred, but if more clones were to mean more characters, I'm fine with that. Still, I don't see the need to feel a large amount of cuts and low number for the total roster would be a total disappointment. For example, I made this rather quickly:

Spoiler

*Sonic should be Mega Man in this picture*; my mistake~

I feel even with some disappointing cuts, that's a roster I would find exciting and enjoyable.

I think you cut out a little too many characters. Thirty Nine is a little low. Even with those possible cuts.

My Newly updated realistic roster

Too many characters......

 

[MagnesD3]

I think you cut out a little too many characters. Thirty Nine is a little low. Even with those possible cuts.


Too many characters......

I feel if a character like wii fit trainer got in we will get a significant amount imo.