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The problem with the idea of a lance user is that there are extremely narrow choices. The "best" we got at the moment is Bandanna Dee, with the next choice being a random Fire Emblem character like Caeda. Basically, not that hot of an idea. Also before any moron brings it up, staves and lances are different, so don't shoehorn Krystal into this argument.

Also in others news, Golden obsessing over Dr. Mario is kind of hilarious.
 

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Twist ending: Mewtwo and Genesect are the same person the whole time.

And they're both played by Bruce Willis
 

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Just finished this. And since I didn't want to revive a dead thread, I'll post it here.


Welcome to my series of potential character essays. Ever hear a character suggestion for SSB4 and think "Who the heck is this guy?" These essays are for you. These essays will go over the history of the character, the abilities of the character, arguments for and against the character and finally a potential move set. I hope to introduce people to likely newcomers for SSB4 and to help people learn a bit more about characters they already know. So let's get into the fray! Feel free to comment or even suggest characters, if you like. I'm open to suggestions as long as I have time to write.


Essay 5:

Name: Zoroark

Series: Pokemon
Gender: Either
First Appearance: Pokemon Black and White (2011)

Character Biography:
This biography will be a bit different from the others as Zoroark is a Pokemon species and not an individual. There have been many individual ones and theoretically you can have hundreds in one game. Because of this, I will briefly go over some facts about Zoroark in general, and then talk about some important Zoroark. Let's go!

Zoroark is the Illusion Fox Pokemon. It is a dark type and evolves from Zorua at level thirty. Zoroark have a strong pack mentality and can easily trick people with its Illusion ability. It is said that those who try to catch Zoroark will be trapped in illusions and punished.

Zoroark with it's prevo!

On to the important Zoroark!

First off and most importantly, N used a Zoroark in his final battle with the Main Protagonist in Pokemon Black and White. This Zoroark is seen again in Pokemon Black 2 and White 2, where it guarded the entrance to the ruins of N's castle. It is never fought in this game.
A pic of N. For all you fangirls out there. ;)

Zoroark was also an event pokemon in Pokemon Black and White. By transferring a special shiny Raikou, Entei or Suicune to the game and bringing it to Lostlorn Forest, the players could catch a Zoroark. Zoroark is no longer an event pokemon however. In Black 2 and White 2, the player could recieve N's Zorua. This was the only way to get a Zoroark ingame.

Zoroark appeared in Pokepark 2: Wonders beyond as a recruitable pokemon. She is fought in Wish Park.

Zoroark was able to have a perfect link with Kotaro in Pokemon Conquest.
... Creepy....

It's not a game appearance but I feel it is worth noting. Zoroark was one of the main stars of the 13th Pokemon movie. aptly named "Zoroark: Master of Illusions." In this movie, a female Zoroark is being blackmailed by the evil Grings Kodai. If Zoroark terrorizes Crown City under the guise of Entei, Raikou and Suicune, Grings Kodai will not hurt Zorua, Zoroark's child. Ash and friends stop Grings Kodai and reunite the family of Pokemon.
One of the few time you will ever see a movie poster on this board.


Game Appearances:
Pokemon Black and White( Catchable Pokemon) (Event Pokemon)
Pokemon Rumble Blast (Usable Toy)
Learn With Pokémon: Typing Adventure (Japan and Europe only) (Catchable Pokemon)
Pokepark 2: Wonders Beyond (Recruitable Ally)
Pokémon Card Game: How To Play DS (Japan Only) (Pokemon Card)
Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 (Catchable Pokemon)
Pokemon Dream Radar (Obtainable Pokemon)
Pokemon Conquest (Catchable Pokemon)
Pokedex 3D (Pokedex Entry)
Pokedex 3D Pro (Pokedex Entry)
Pokedex for IOS (Pokedex Entry)
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity (Recruitable Ally)
Zoroark has been playable in 6 of its appearances.

Abilities:
Ooooooooooh boy.....

Zoroark is a pokemon. IT CAN DO TONS OF STUFF!!!!

For a full list of attacks, you can check Serebii.net or Bulbapedia.com. I will not list EVERY attack in this essay. Typically, Zoroark can learn attacks that utilize its claws and crafty nature.

Zoroark is a dark type. So it specializes in dark type attacks such as Night Slash, Thief, Faint Attack, Foul Play and Dark Pulse.

Zoroark and it pre-evolution Zorua are the only pokemon who can learn Night Daze.
Night Daze. It looks terrifying!

This is where Zoroark gets interesting. Zoroark has Illusion as its ability. Illusion disguises the pokemon as another pokemon. In games, this will disguise Zoroark as the last member of the team. Zoroark can disguise himself as both a pokemon and a human.

Debate:

Why Zoroark Should Be In:
1. It's a popular pokemon: Zoroark has developed quite the fanbase. It's pretty popular.
I mean, look at all this junk!

2. It's a new face of pokemon. Zoroark represents the newer Gen V. That's pretty nifty.

3. He's flavor of the month: He's a new Pokemon character. They always seem to get in Smash Bros.


Reasons Why Zoroark Should Not Be In:

1. GEN VI: Zoroark's time in the spotlight has gone. Leave a spot for a Gen VI pokemon.

2. The Pokemon roster is in chaos! Who's getting in? The only surefire Pokemon is Pikachu. Zoroark has a lot of competition against its poke-brethren

3. He's a less popular Lucario: The Pokemon Company used Lucario to advertise Gen IV and somehow, Lucario remained immensely popular! Lucario is still being used to advertise. The Pokemon Company tried to use the same method with Zoroark and ultimately it failed, especially compared to Lucario's sucess.
Who will get the spot for SSB4? Who knows?

Possible Moveset:
Disclaimer! This moveset is an example and will need changing in the future. Please suggest improvements :D
Neutral B: Zoroark uses Theif. Zoroark will swipe at the opponent. If the opponent is holding or using an item. Zoroark will steal it. This move has no knockback.

Side B: Zoroark uses Night Slash. Zoroark will dask forward while slashing the foe. This move has high knockback.

Up B: Zoroark uses Foul Play. Zoroark will disappear and reappear elsewhere attacking as he reappears. This can be used for recovery.

Down B: Zoroark will use substitute. Zoroark will create a small dummy that will act as a sheild. After a a certain amount of damage, the dummy will fly away. Think of this as a stationary Waddle Dee.

Final Smash: Zoroark uses Night Daze. A large ball of purple fire will appear around Zoroark and burn his enemies. This will cause little knockback but a lot of damage.


Images made by Pwnagemaster67

Codec Call:
Snake: "Colonel!!! This thing! It can shapeshift!"
Colonel: "Calm down Snake. You're fighting Zoroark. It's a pokemon. He's not actually changing shape. It's all an illusion."
Snake: "Illusions.... Like Decoy Octopus?"
Colonel: "Yes. Exactly."
Snake: " Might as well be Decoy Octopus. This thing looks sinister."
Colonel: "It's a dark type pokemon, but I assure you, Zoroark is not evil. I hear that they're actually pretty caring pokemon."
Snake: "Dark is not evil? Doesn't that go against the name of the type?"
Colonel: "Just because it's called something doesn't mean it is, Snake. Or are you telling me you slither?"
Snake: "Touche."


C'mon give him a hand!


I hope you enjoyed this essay. I hope I can write another one soon. Please say what you think. Are there more reasons why Zoroark should or should not be in? Did you learn something about him? Did you come up with a great moveset? Did you enjoy the essay? Comment away!




 

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That really sucks. His right arm is as good as broken now.
 

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But it's a good thing, Kuma! It means SSB4 is gonna be as good as Melee! :troll:
 
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Hopefully Sakurai gets better soon (and not just so he can get back on Smash Bros. 4). To not be able to use an arm is more problematic than most who haven't suffered an injury would think
 

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While he admits it's hindering development of Smash, I really don't care, because it's going to get done and even if he has to take a step back he won't let any quality slip by just because of an injury. But I really feel for him, he must be worried about how this will impact his future as both a game designer and a player. As a designer it's one thing, because he'll always have assistants that could do the work he wants, but if this gets worse then he may be limited in how much he can enjoy WHAT I ASSUME would be one of his favorite hobbies. Poor guy.
 

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Maybe the pain will give Sakurai a different mindset than normal, and the game becomes more violent or something.

Super Smash KOMBAT!!!
 

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Watched halfway through Lucario and the Mystery of Mew with the boyfran, and I have to say, I really like it so far. It's actually good. Weird.

Also, I want Mew in Smash more than any other Pokemon now :p

Edit: ALSO ALSO, had a dream Smash4 was released, and among the cast was Bandana Dee, Roy, Mewtwo, and Doc
 

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DLC would be great.

I like the idea of a Melee Pack if no Melee characters make the cut

Have all the Melee Cut Characters in this expansion: Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link

Have 2-3 Melee stages

Add in Melee items.

Would be nice. If anything from Brawl gets cut, you could also do a Brawl mode (I doubt any character from Brawl is cut though because they all are unique in some way or have value in the series).

Also adding a 3rd party character that wouldn't be in (i.e. Rayman for example) with a stage, items, AT, etc. would be nice as an Expansion pack.
 

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But it's a good thing, Kuma! It means SSB4 is gonna be as good as Melee! :troll:
I was actually going to say that, but the more I read the article, I didn't want to make that joke. Curse you Japanese work ethic!
 

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Lol. No one like the essay. :p

I have no idea why people don't like DLC as long as it's not a Cashcom scheme.
 

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I very recently played through the Castlevania 3DS demo. While I likely won't be picking up the game, it did make me think how much I would love to see a Castlevania character in Smash Bros. (preferably Simon Belmont or Alucard).

However, that would likely never happen (barely anyone asks for them). The same goes for Crono and Banjo-Kazooie, I would be hyped to see them, but know they basically got non-existant chances. For Nintendo characters, its Pico of F-Zero and Leaf of Fire Emblem for characters I would love to see, but realize they got dismally low chances.
 

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Pico huh.....

Anyone wanna make an unlikely F-Zero Newcomer thread?
 

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I would love to get around to making a Pico thread some day (though I know he would never get in). I would be thrilled if he somehow got in as an Assist Trophy though.
 

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I'll make an unlikely Joy Mech Fight thread for the less than likely Joy Mech Fighters
 

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I'll make an unlikely Joy Mech Fight thread for the less than likely Joy Mech Fighters
You mean all of them? :troll:

(use your imagination, that troll face is there I swear!)

AND HOLY CRAP!!!
This remix is amazing. I just gotta share it.
 

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I actually remember Sukapon having a cult following prior to Brawl. Nowadays, he seems to be the least popular amongst Takamaru, Lip, and Sukapon of the Japan-only retro characters.

The movie announcement for Pokemon and FE13 also gave us less to talk about than we initially thought.

I think the last major thing we could have to shake things up in regards to discussion is if Pikmin 3 manages to get released before E3 2013.

Otherwise, we basically have less than 3.5 months until everything becomes crazy.
 

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He's still in my top 5, although he wasn't my favorite character to use in game.

I did beat the final boss with him though
 

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Here is the movie poster for Extreme Speed Genesect: Mewtwo's Awakening:

Get hyped.

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I kind of think that the Mewtwo on that poster is a different entity from the one in the first movie. After all, it's always possible that Team Plasma tried developing another Mewtwo while working on Genesect.
 
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Good to see Mewtwo is back in the spotlight. That can only mean good things for his inclusion in Smash Bros.

Alright. So I finished Fire Emblem: Awakening about an hour ago. HOLY ****. Chrom is a BOSS. He is basically one of my most wanted newcomers now. While i'd like to see Roy come back, at this point if it is only one to be added, my bet is going to be on Chrom. However, i'm still hoping it's both of them, based on the popularity of the series, and the fact that Roy and Chrom lead popularity for new FE characters.

From what i've seen of Chrom in Awakening, his movements and attacks are practically fit for Smash Bros. Although he would be a 3rd blue haird swordsman, I can't help but feel he would be perfect. He could be a middleweight character, and have a mixed playstyle between Marth and Ike. I would say just let him use Falchion and not even bother with the use of lances.

Thoughts?
As someone who has finished the game, what sort of moveset can you see for him? I'm intrigued to find out what Chrom is capable, but I won't get around to playing FE13 till this Summer.

yfw Smash 4 gets cancelled...

Seriously, how would you react?


Anyway, this is all because Sakurai himself does too much of the work I hear. He needs to learn to delegate responsibilities more and trust his team. Going back to what we were talking about a few pages back, about Roster size... Well, there you have it, proof that a larger team doesn't mean you can necessarily get away with more characters. Game design is still a daunting task, and the lead developer is hogging all the work...


As a side note, was the site down for anyone else these past 3 days?
 

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I don't think Smash 4 will get cancelled at all. Probably delayed yeah, but not cancelled.
 

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How can it be delayed when there isn't even a release date?
Well it can push back game's development progress and ultimately delay the game; In the sense that it would come out later than if such issues never occurred.
 

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What if Platinum Games made the next Star Fox game? Would you guys like it? Would Falco end up being a flashy badass duel gun wielding bird?



You know this will happen.:awesome:
 

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What if Platinum Games made the next Star Fox game? Would you guys like it? Would Falco end up being a flashy badass duel gun wielding bird?



You know this will happen.:awesome:
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Star Fox with a Dante Falco hybrid. 10/10 would get?


I could see on foot gameplay being a bit like Anarchy Reigns. This is just preference though if PG develops a SF game.
 

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As someone who has finished the game, what sort of moveset can you see for him? I'm intrigued to find out what Chrom is capable, but I won't get around to playing FE13 till this Summer.


yfw Smash 4 gets cancelled...

Seriously, how would you react?


Anyway, this is all because Sakurai himself does too much of the work I hear. He needs to learn to delegate responsibilities more and trust his team. Going back to what we were talking about a few pages back, about Roster size... Well, there you have it, proof that a larger team doesn't mean you can necessarily get away with more characters. Game design is still a daunting task, and the lead developer is hogging all the work...


As a side note, was the site down for anyone else these past 3 days?
For Chrom as a character, I see him as slower than Marth but faster than Ike. He would use Falchion just as Ike and Marth use their swords. In game, Chrom uses Aether as a skill, so I would say he could use Aether in a way that is different than Ike. I could go in depth with him but I really don't want to spoil the game for anyone, so for now i'll stop there.

For Fire Emblem as a whole, I don't see why Fire Emblem can't have 4 reps. I mean sure, that's a big jump from 2 to 4 characters, but Fire Emblem has become a big series for Nintendo now, I would say arguably more popular than Star Fox. So if SF has 3 characters, I would be expecting at least one Fire Emblem character to be included. If by chance, Chrom AND Roy get in, I would make Roy similar to Marth, but obviously change his moveset so that they aren't clones to one another.
 
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I kind of think that the Mewtwo on that poster is a different entity from the one in the first movie. After all, it's always possible that Team Plasma tried developing another Mewtwo while working on Genesect.
No one knows of Mewtwo's existance other than the original protags and the TRio (unless the Mirage Pokemon special is canon, though that's still only a select few others). The data used to create Mewtwo was also destroyed when he destroyed the lab in the first movie.
It logically cannot be another Mewtwo.

Furthermore, Mewtwo has been shown in a "faraway city" that resembles New York quite frequently since the end of Returns. The setting of this movie is a "faraway city" (when compared to Johto, Mewtwo's previous dwelling) that resembles New York.

(and translations of the Japanese website mention that it's the same Mewtwo)
 

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What's discussin???

To answer everyone's desperate pleas, I created a time machine which let me travel through time and space, to retrieve one of the most influental emoticons in our discussions:

LET'S WELCOME BACK

THE :TROLL:

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It's not working.
 

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What's discussin???

To answer everyone's desperate pleas, I created a time machine which let me travel through time and space, to retrieve one of the most influental emoticons in our discussions:

LET'S WELCOME BACK

THE :TROLL:

...

It's not working.
The prodigal son has returned!
 
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