Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[lobotheduck21]

I think that if Waddle Dee gets in Smash and Toad didn't... what do you think might happen? I mean, Waddle Dee is part of King Dedede's moveset and yet more people are betting on Waddle Dee getting in Smash whereas Toad is part of Peach's moveset and yet more people are doubtful of Toad getting in Smash because of that. And there's the whole generic argument. So, Waddle Dee, a common enemy from the Kirby games, gets in Smash but Toad, a common NPC from the Mario games, didn't?

Waddle Dee doesn't have anyone to really compete with while toad has bowser jr., paper mario, waluigi, and dr. mario to deal with

 

[Deleted member]

I would absolutely love to see Deoxys. As a matter of fact, it's my 4th most wanted character (behind K. Rool, Mewtwo, and Mega Man). But I think it's time has passed unfortunately (unless Sakurai sees a need to represents the 3rd gen and recognize Deoxys's popularity, but that's incredibly unlikely).

 

[ChronoBound]

I assumed Chrono wasn't including veterans. And I forgot Little Mac ().

So yeah, my list, including veterans, would be:
K. Rool
Mewtwo
Palutena
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Little Mac
Ridley
Takamaru

@SSBF
Ah, ok.

I think K. Rool and Little Mac have good shots at being in the debut trailer, however, I think its:
Ridley>K. Rool
Takamaru>Little Mac

I think Ridley is more likely than K. Rool because they would probably want to unveil some sort of "ferocious, cool, evil" character for the unveil trailer like that did with Melee and Brawl, and K. Rool is more of a bumbler and comedic character than "cool". I see Takamaru getting preference over Little Mac, because I think Takamaru's moveset would have more flashiness to it for an unveil trailer than would Little Mac's, and I can't see Sakurai using two primarily Western characters for the debut trailer.

Mewtwo could happen in a debut trailer, but I think its more likely to happen on the Dojo. Sakurai might make a cryptic remark about bringing back cut Melee characters when he opens up fan suggestions after Smash 4's unveil. However, Smash 4 will have been in development longer by the time its unveiled at E3 2013 than when Brawl was unveiled (Brawl was in development for only half a year, while Smash 4 will have been in development for a full year), so I am not sure whether Sakurai would have the time to implement any characters that got a lot of requests for a "new suggestion journal" like he did with Brawl.

 

[BKupa666]

Pokemon is far and away going to be the most difficult franchise to handle in SSB4 because of all the potential characters that could be either added or cut. This difficulty will only be intensified through the intervention of the Pokemon Company, who Sakurai has pointed out as being difficult to work with.

We have Mewtwo, multiple newer Pokemon, a few memorable older ones like Deoxys, and even out-of-left-field ones (like Pokemon Trainer was for Brawl) as potential additions, while a case can be made to cut every Pokemon rep in Brawl except Pikachu. If Mewtwo and a new character are added, it will place the franchise at a total of 8 characters in a game most believe will not exceed 50 characters. Could this ideal scenario happen? Certainly. But with Sakurai openly touting the limited roster space? I question it.

Ridley will undoubtedly be in SSB4's trailer, and very likely the game's first newcomer revealed, provided he is playable.

 

[SmashChu]

Again, what does Waluigi have aside from popularity? It's going to take more than that to get a character in.

All Geno had was popularity and he didn't get in.

Also, Waluigi has a horrible fanbase on GameFAQs. Fans will shove down Waluigi's popularity down anyone's throat and will I saw a few fans claim that he completing the four plumber quadrilogy makes him more likely (WTF?). They are a thing of nightmare and I avoided posting as much as possible during the Waluigi wars that occurred there. Not that this affects Waluigi's chances, but it does show how irrational the fanbase gets.I definitely plan on going retro in the future for gaming and would have already if it weren't for Smash 4, but right now, college takes priority and I don't think I'll have money for more than a Wii U and the few games I'll get for the system (Bayonetta 2 and Smash 4 are the only ones I'm sure to get).

People like his personality. He's actually Charles Martinet favorite I believe.

It is true, Waluigi hasn't had much of a role, but the reactions from fans is that they want to see him become a more important Mario character. Interest in him has grown over the years and he's more liked now rather than hated like before.

Also, he was an assist trophy. He has some stuff to draw on. And this.

The fact that he’s an Assist Trophy means he won’t be appearing as a playable character, but...Waluigi appears nonetheless!

It's worth something that they mentioned this.

I remember that one long article explaining newcomers behind Melee and IC took the spot Balloon Fighter was going for. I think he was ruled out by Sakurai because "he'd be useless without balloons".

Some of them were jokes.

Agreed. I could definitely see Sakurai waiting to reveal Megaman (especially if one of the other "most wanted" characters like Ridley is among those revealed in the trailer) or perhaps saving him as some kind of buffer if development runs into trouble or a delay occurs and then announcing both at the same time like with Sonic.

I disagree. I figure if they are going to do third party characters at all, one will be shown in the first trailer. It's not as clear cut this time, and there is a very good possibility they wont happen.

On the topic of new IPs, I think it's too late for any new character to enter. I figure it will affect the next game. If there are some new series from Nintendo, then there will be no problem making a 5th game, though it will probably add fewer characters.

 

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since there's no reason for the Pokemon Company to -not- request a Gen. 5/6 Pokemon to Sakurai.

I'm not trying to start another Pokemon war, but please explain. My thoughts are it's the other way around and like the FE series and IS, it'll come down to Sakurai deciding between something new or what he already has.

 

[Aipom]

Pokemon is far and away going to be the most difficult franchise to handle in SSB4 because of all the potential characters that could be either added or cut. This difficulty will only be intensified through the intervention of the Pokemon Company, who Sakurai has pointed out as being difficult to work with.

We have Mewtwo, multiple newer Pokemon, a few memorable older ones like Deoxys, and even out-of-left-field ones (like Pokemon Trainer was for Brawl) as potential additions, while a case can be made to cut every Pokemon rep in Brawl except Pikachu. If Mewtwo and a new character are added, it will place the franchise at a total of 8 characters in a game most believe will not exceed 50 characters. Could this ideal scenario happen? Certainly. But with Sakurai openly touting the limited roster space? I question it.

Ridley will undoubtedly be in SSB4's trailer, and very likely the game's first newcomer revealed, provided he is playable.

Too true. It'll always be way too close to call. There are numerous options, and for the most part, just as many logical reasons behind them

 

[Arcadenik]

Waddle Dee doesn't have anyone to really compete with while toad has bowser jr., paper mario, waluigi, and dr. mario to deal with

Irrelevant because all potential newcomers are vying for a small number of roster spots.

For example... which balloonist do we get? Balloon Fighter or Tingle? Which samurai do we get? Samurai Goroh or Takamaru? And so on... and Sakurai has to look at each character and determine which characters offer more. Kinda like why Sakurai picked Ice Climbers over Balloon Fighter, Urban Champion, Bubbles, and Excitebiker.

 

[Deleted member]

@SmashChu: Yes fans want to see Waluigi become more important to the franchise (so do I) but so far, we've seen nothing of this occur. As of now, he has remained a purely spin-off character and has remained unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

And how does that quote from Waluigi's trophy indicate potential interest from Sakurai in regards to him being playable?

 

[Second Power]

Irrelevant because all potential newcomers are vying for a small number of roster spots.

I wouldn't say completely irrelevant. Look at it this way: the Mario fanbase is divided between Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario, and Bowser Junior. The Kirby fanbase can unite behind Bandanna Dee.

 

[BKupa666]

I'm not trying to start another Pokemon war, but please explain. My thoughts are it's the other way around and like the FE series and IS, it'll come down to Sakurai deciding between something new or what he already has.

Unless I am mistaken, I remember the Pokemon Company's sole request for Brawl being the inclusion of Lucario. His popularity was merely icing on the cake, rather than the driving factor in getting him into the game. It's safe to say Sakurai will at least seek input from the Company this time around, like he does with each franchise's developers, and that they'll have a few new suggestions in mind for him, character-wise. Whether or not they have a similar level of influence remains to be seen.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think the only reason why Waluigi's popularity grew is because people liked how Waluigi was portrayed in the unofficial fan-made Brawl in the Family comic and not because of the actual Mario spin-off games. Too bad Waluigi isn't gonna be like that in Smash.

 

[ChronoBound]

Toad will always be more important to me than the other non-playable Mario characters because I grew up on Super Mario Bros. 2, Wario's Woods, and the first two Mario Karts. Toads becoming playable characters for New Super Mario Bros. Wii and New Super Mario Bros. U also helps him.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Brawl in The Family is a pretty enjoyable comic in general, my favorite character from the comics is probably King Dedede. I wonder what Matthew will do when the first Super Smash Bros. trailer comes out at E3.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Brawl in The Family is a pretty enjoyable comic in general, my favorite character from the comics is probably King Dedede. I wonder what Matthew will do when the first Super Smash Bros. trailer comes out at E3.

Expecting more Brawl in the Family? TOO BAD! WAAAAAAAliuigi Time! >:D

 

[BlindLucas]

or perhaps saving him as some kind of buffer if development runs into trouble or a delay occurs and then announcing both at the same time like with Sonic..

...still hurts

 

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Unless I am mistaken, I remember the Pokemon Company's sole request for Brawl being the inclusion of Lucario. His popularity was merely icing on the cake, rather than the driving factor in getting him into the game. It's safe to say Sakurai will at least seek input from the Company this time around, like he does with each franchise's developers, and that they'll have a few new suggestions in mind for him, character-wise. Whether or not they have a similar level of influence remains to be seen.

There actually isn't any proof to PC requesting Lucario to Sakurai (and if there is I haven't heard of it and would like to add it to the Directory thread), though like IS it could be assumed they gave him the suggestion if he asked for it.

Yeah it's a given he'll seek input, there are 649 Pokemon now so he'll need it, but they probably leave the playable stuff up to Sakurai unless asked. If the PC was crazy with demands or even specific requests the game probably wouldn't get made given the amount of Pokemon content there is in each game. I'd also like to think that Japanese humbleness would also play a role in this.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Delays are a likely thing, though there are no guarantees that it will or will not happen.

 

[Second Power]

Brawl in The Family is a pretty enjoyable comic in general, my favorite character from the comics is probably King Dedede. I wonder what Matthew will do when the first Super Smash Bros. trailer comes out at E3.

Same here! Dedede for Sma-

Wait, wrong gen.

I'll agree to Waliugi's popularity with the western audience, but the comic isn't japanese. Though, if there were a translated version out there somewhere, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sometimes I'm afraid that Sakurai might not note Dixie and K.Rool due their absence and we'd be stuck with DK and Diddy only. *Shudder*

Same here.

Which I why I cannot stand for a character like say, Sheik, to still be in after such a lackluster role but we cannot even get a new DKC character.

 

[BKupa666]

There actually isn't any proof to PC requesting Lucario to Sakurai (and if there is I haven't heard of it and would like to add it to the Directory thread), though like IS it could be assumed they gave him the suggestion if he asked for it.

Yeah it's a given he'll seek input, there are 649 Pokemon now so he'll need it, but they probably leave the playable stuff up to Sakurai unless asked. If the PC was crazy with demands or even specific requests the game probably wouldn't get made given the amount of Pokemon content there is in each game. I'd also like to think that Japanese humbleness would also play a role in this.

One factor I can see in favor of Mewtwo and against the inclusion of a new Pokemon is the fact that support for Mewtwo is so universal, while support for a new Pokemon is incredibly split. Over the past year, at least four new Pokemon have been thrown around as possibilities (Zoroark, Victini, Genesect, Meoletta), and there may still be an unknown one who will undergo the same treatment. Zoroark has the most visibility of these, though it's clear he's significantly more 'expected' than 'desired.' As of now, it's a matter of whether these expectations are valid.

 

[Frostwraith]

Same here.

Which I why I cannot stand for a character like say, Sheik, to still be in after such a lackluster role but we cannot even get a new DKC character.

Why would Sheik be gone after two games? Sheik is part of Zelda's moveset... I think she would lose her uniqueness if Sheik was removed from the game.

we got Diddy Kong in Brawl, and if Sakurai considers the fan demands, K. Rool will be a shoo-in.

 

[Arcadenik]

Hmm... so if Pokemon Company suggested Lucario when Sakurai approached them for a new Pokemon AND he added the Pokemon Trainer Red with the Kanto starters on his own because that was based off his original idea for Melee with the Pokemon Trainer Gold with the Johto starters (Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen probably helped).... then maybe Pokemon Company is most likely to suggest Zoroark when Sakurai approaches them again and he is probably going to add the 2nd gen Pokemon Trainer on his own because of Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think that Sakurai might lean towards Zoroark due to it's feral nature contrasting with the rest of the Pokemon and the Illusion gimmick. Remember that Sakurai tends to look for characters that can bring something new to the table whether it's for cosmetic or fighting purposes.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Irrelevant because all potential newcomers are vying for a small number of roster spots.

For example... which balloonist do we get? Balloon Fighter or Tingle? Which samurai do we get? Samurai Goroh or Takamaru? And so on... and Sakurai has to look at each character and determine which characters offer more. Kinda like why Sakurai picked Ice Climbers over Balloon Fighter, Urban Champion, Bubbles, and Excitebiker.

Very Relevant, because toad has more characters to deal with than WD,

 

[Frostwraith]

speaking on the Pokémon franchise, I think that the characters in Brawl and Mewtwo would be fine for me, even though I like Zoroark and many of the Gen V Pokémon.

I would like if Zoroark appeared, but if all we got was Brawl's Pokémon characters plus Mewtwo, I think it would do the series justice.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Who knows if Zoroark could become the new Pokemon Trainer even? He's got that kinda potential. Kinda interessted in how they gonna do this though, but don't know if we can expect both Lucario and Mewtwo in the same game as well. Taken we'll be having Pikachu and Jigglypuff to ofcoarse.

I don't see K.Rool as a shoe in actually, but I'd like to believe it / delude myself with this thought. If he isn't in, Dixie better be in it. The series is more than just DK and Diddy, even though their roles and designs where very well done in Brawl. I feel like that Sakurai respects the series well enough to include either K.Rool, or Dixie or even both, but I don't know if he can find himself drawing inspiration from mostly the SNES games alone for them. Dixie will probably mostly be formed after her DKC2 and DKC3 apperances, no doubt (hence the barrel throw move in my moveset for her). But K.Rool can also be drawn inspiration on from DK64, and even DK: Jungle Climber if they wanted. K.Rool to me seems to have an advantage due to his extreme behavior, his build, him being a crocodile and heavy weight... Just a lot of potential.

Hence I'm

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slightly but not extremely

mad that a charatcer like Sheik with no relevance at all would still be in Smash and not King K.Rool. I'd be equally mad if we'd see the return of Captain Ganondorf, and we don't see Mewtwo back. And Ike would even be cut. If stupid choices like that happen, I probably won't buy a Wii U.

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Unless the gameplay is awesome, and I mean really awesome.

 

[ChronoBound]

One factor I can see in favor of Mewtwo and against the inclusion of a new Pokemon is the fact that support for Mewtwo is so universal, while support for a new Pokemon is incredibly split. Over the past year, at least four new Pokemon have been thrown around as possibilities (Zoroark, Victini, Genesect, Meoletta), and there may still be an unknown one who will undergo the same treatment. Zoroark has the most visibility of these, though it's clear he's significantly more 'expected' than 'desired.' As of now, it's a matter of whether these expectations are valid.

The same goes for Chrom, who seems to be more of an Ike retread. Zoroark and Chrom seemed to be too similar to Lucario and Ike to really take off. Game Freak and Intelligent Systems should be bolder next time for their next big Pokemon and lord.

 

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^^I think they're different enough, but the approach they took with them is definitely the same. Either way I agree.

One factor I can see in favor of Mewtwo and against the inclusion of a new Pokemon is the fact that support for Mewtwo is so universal, while support for a new Pokemon is incredibly split. Over the past year, at least four new Pokemon have been thrown around as possibilities (Zoroark, Victini, Genesect, Meoletta), and there may still be an unknown one who will undergo the same treatment. Zoroark has the most visibility of these, though it's clear he's significantly more 'expected' than 'desired.' As of now, it's a matter of whether these expectations are valid.

Agreed.

I think that Sakurai might leans towards Zoroark due to it's feral nature contrasting with the rest of the Pokemon and the Illusion gimmick. Remember that Sakurai tends to look for characters that can bring something new to the table whether it's cosmetic or fighting.

Feral? But we already have Wolf? Illusion doesn't translate itself well into the fighting environment as it's only a cosmetic change and would effect hitboxes, that said I do think Sakurai could find a gimmick with it if he really tried or got lazy and has it as a taunt.

I'm not trying to hate on Zoroark, these are just some faults that I see with her.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

[COLLAPSE="Roster"]

I tried to weigh the significance of each series included against character uniqueness and my personal preferences.

Subtractions: Toon Link, Snake

Toon Link was removed because Zelda has such a rich character pool to draw from and having two versions of the same character with so many other interesting characters to pick from seems like a waste.
Snake has always been a puzzling addition to Brawl for me. He sticks out among the other characters and since I don't want to include more than a few third party characters, he got cut in favour of others.

Replacements: Impa (Sheik), Yarn Kirby (Kirby), Zoroark (Lucario)

Impa adopts Sheik's moveset with minor changes. The transform animation can be easily switched out for a "tag out" animation. I like the idea of updating the Zelda/Sheik combo and since Zelda will most likely be portrayed as her SS likeness, it makes sense to have Impa there as well.
I replaced Kirby with Yarn Kirby, but this would be mostly an aesthetic change with maybe one or two new moves taken from Kirby's Epic Yarn. I would not change Kirby's name to Yarn Kirby either, so it really is just a glorified costume.
Zoroark could adopt Lucario's moveset with minor changes.

Additions: Geno, King K. Rool, Ghirahim, Skull Kid, Vaati, Midna, Porky, Ridley, Lyn, Robotnik, Palutena, Tom Nook, Isaac, Little Mac, Professor Layton, Crono, Mega Man

Geno is a character I have wanted in Smash for a long time just because he is unique and I would like to see what the devs could come up with for his move set. His inclusion raises the number of Mario reps to seven (say what you will, I still consider Wario and Yoshi as Mario reps).
King K. Rool is a no-brainer. Major villain from a major series, should have been in Brawl.
Now the four new Zelda characters - I know, four seems like a lot. Toon Link is not in the roster, so consider one of these characters as a sort of replacement Zelda rep. My justification for so many new Zelda characters is that Zelda is, as far as I can tell, just as popular as Mario among Nintendo fans AND it has a much more promising and larger list of characters to choose from. I think you could make a brawler with only Zelda characters and not run out of interesting additions, so raising the number of reps from four to seven matches Mario (again, Wario and Yoshi are Mario characters), which in my view is more than reasonable given the fanfare around these two franchises.
Okay, so, Ghirahim is one of the most requested characters already and justifiably so. He has an interesting story and personality and he comes with an almost pre-built move set. A perfect candidate for Smash.
Skull Kid has appeared in multiple games, starred as a quasi-villain in MM, has the potential to add a truly unique fighting style to the roster and is beloved by many.
Vaati is another oft-requested character and another major villain. He would be the Four Swords representative and again has great potential in terms of move set.
Midna is the most complex companion character in the franchise, has a big fan following, is a magic user.
Porky provides a villain rep for Mother/Earthbound, appears with Ness and Lucas in those games and offers more variability compared to Ninten.
Ridley is another obvious one - major villain from major Nintendo franchise.
I have to admit, I'm not very familiar with the FE franchise, but Lyn is a female character, which is a plus and had a lot of support during the lead up to Brawl's release. I would not be against replacing her with another FE character (Cellica?), but do think the series deserves another representative.
Robotnik's inclusion is of course dependent on Sonic being in the game. I want him in for the same reasons as Ridley and K. Rool.
Palutena has high potential for a unique play style, is more relevant after the release of Uprising and is a female character on top of that.
Animal Crossing deserves a character this time around and Tom Nook is my preferred rep from the series. Villager is a little too generic for my tastes (same reason I don't support Mii). I'm willing to swap him out for another AC rep.
Isaac brings another series into the fold, is popular among fans and has promising magic attack possibilities. I think he's pretty cool.
Little Mac is the obligatory classic games representative.
I would really like to see Professor Layton in the game. The stories and animation in his franchise are top-notch and puzzle games are underrepresented in Smash. The developers could really get creative designing his move set.
Square should have a rep and Crono is a better fit than FF characters. His game was exclusive to a Nintendo system, he is more recognizable than any one FF character before FFVII, which was not on a Nintendo console. I'd be really interested in seeing an updated character design for him. Terra from FFVI and Moogle would be suitable replacements, but I'd much rather have Crono.
Mega Man is obviously a classic character. He has relatively new main series games (9 and 10) and his ability to mimic the powers of defeated opponents could be a really cool idea for Smash.[/COLLAPSE]

I didn't see any responses to this, so I figure I'll start.

There are too many Zelda characters. You say that Zelda has a lot of interesting characters, but the problem is that most of said characters have very few appearances and are not particularly important to the series. Adding Vaati, Skull Kid, or Ghirahim on their own isn't a terrible idea(though I'm against it), but adding all three of them and Midna is not really a good idea at all. Oh, and you cut Toon Link, which is dumb IMO.

Replacing Kirby w/ Yarn Kirby is dumb.

Saying Zoroark could replace Lucario is as dumb as saying Lucario replaced Mewtwo. Speaking of, I am dissapointed at you rosters lack of Mewtwo.

Two Sonic characters! Ugh. IMO 3rd party franchises should only get one representative each for now.

I think Mother is not going to get any new reps, so adding Porky is dumb.

Also, you say you don't want to include Snake because you don't want more than a few 3rd parties, yet you included 5 third parties, which is a pretty liberal helping IMO.

 

[SmashChu]

The same goes for Chrom, who seems to be more of an Ike retread. Zoroark and Chrom seemed to be too similar to Lucario and Ike to really take off. Game Freak and Intelligent Systems should be bolder next time for their next big Pokemon and lord.

I'm with tripledash. They are different enough. Krom is similar, but he looks a good deal different and it doesn't look like he's using a broadsword like Ike. I could be wrong, I hasven't delved much into he new one.

 

[BlindLucas]

I didn't see any responses to this, so I figure I'll start.

There are too many Zelda characters. You say that Zelda has a lot of interesting characters, but the problem is that most of said characters have very few appearances and are not particularly important to the series. Adding Vaati, Skull Kid, or Ghirahim on their own isn't a terrible idea(though I'm against it), but adding all three of them and Midna is not really a good idea at all. Oh, and you cut Toon Link, which is dumb IMO.

Replacing Kirby w/ Yarn Kirby is dumb.

Saying Zoroark could replace Lucario is as dumb as saying Lucario replaced Mewtwo. Speaking of, I am dissapointed at you rosters lack of Mewtwo.

Two Sonic characters! Ugh. IMO 3rd party franchises should only get one representative each for now.

I think Mother is not going to get any new reps, so adding Porky is dumb.

Also, you say you don't want to include Snake because you don't want more than a few 3rd parties, yet you included 5 third parties, which is a pretty liberal helping IMO.

Good point about Snake. I'd be lying if I didn't say my personal bias against him was more of a deciding factor than the 3rd party thing. and like I said, Yarn Kirby is more of a stylistic change. I would be fine with it just being a costume option, but I think some yarn attacks would be cool.

 

[BKupa666]

Should Zoroark and Chrom fade into obscurity, it will be due their companies' failure to distinguish them as individuals worth caring about. I do not follow either series' fanbase extensively, but the introduction of Zoroark and Chrom reeked of desperation to cash in on Lucario and Ike's popularity without actually focusing on them again.

Sakurai's control over the roster is a factor behind why I find K. Rool likely. He's got the ability and patience to examine a franchise's history and represent it, for the most part, extremely well. If it was, say, Miyamoto handpicking characters, I'd be far, far more worried for him.

 

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I'm with tripledash.

Anyway I gotta go study for exams. Later.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't see why people automatically think Zoroark's Illusion has to be to make itself appear as something else.
People seem to forget that Zoroark has more capability with the Illusion power than that, from the movie it starred in.

If anything, the Illusion can be used as a way to mess with opponents by making certain attacks appear to have shorter range than they actually do or vice versa.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Feral? But we already have Wolf?

Wolf isn't technically feral. Feral as a word means something that was domesticated at one point but then became wild. That is why I stated Zoroark is feral compared to the other Pokemon. Zoroark would be kinda like a feral dog: wild and unpredictable, but a tad more loyal then a stray dog.

The more wild nature is kinda the reason why I want Zoroark and Lucario to be in the same game to contrast with each other, which goes along with what the theme of recent Pokemon games is with Yin and Yang. Zoroark is loyal, mischievous, and wild while Lucario is more solitary, serious, and tame.

 

[ChronoBound]

If Mewtwo is in the next movie with Genesect, Genesect's popularity is going to be riding a Mewtwo-powered rocket.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Good point about Snake. I'd be lying if I didn't say my personal bias against him was more of a deciding factor than the 3rd party thing. and like I said, Yarn Kirby is more of a stylistic change. I would be fine with it just being a costume option, but I think some yarn attacks would be cool.

Except it wouldn't since YK can't inhale, use the Hammer, Cutter, or turn to stone, so it wouldn't make sense for him to have the same moves.

 

[BlindLucas]

Feral doesn't mean something that was once domesticated and is no longer. Usually just means wild and undomesticated I believe

Edit: Google says I'm wrong about this. I wonder why they call children that have never been socialized feral children

 

[Aipom]

Who knows if Zoroark could become the new Pokemon Trainer even? He's got that kinda potential. Kinda interessted in how they gonna do this though, but don't know if we can expect both Lucario and Mewtwo in the same game as well. Taken we'll be having Pikachu and Jigglypuff to ofcoarse.

What do you mean by the new Pokemon Trainer?