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It's been a while since I've played GS (came real close to finishing it to) but I do remember enjoying the over-the-top battles and the Zelda-like approach to the overworld. That said I don't remember much about the game overall and I do sometimes have a difficultly seeing Issac in a fighting setting.

Also I would have thought the news of Extremespeed Genesect would have reached here by now. Genesect looks so sleek in it's shiny form. :cool:
 

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Starphoenix has been really pulling for Waddle Dee lately, but at both GameFAQs and NeoGAF there is a lot of hostility to the character. They still think Bandanna Dee is another grunt that does not deserve being promoted to a playable spot. The warmest place to him seems to be SmashBoards where there's at least some people who go "he would be cool, but i don't expect it to happen". I think if more people had played Return to Dream Land, more people would have warmed up to the character.
 

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I think that Pac-Man would still get in despite getting less than 50% of the votes. Look at it this way, if 70% of the votes are spread across several Namco characters, Pac-Man would still get the lion's share with a whopping 30%. The other 70% would be further allotted to far less than 30% for the other Namco characters. Assuming there are 8 Namco characters on the poll with Pac-Man as one of them. The other 7 characters would have gotten 10% each while Pac-Man gets 30%.

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To be fair to Pac-Man, he would fit much better into Smash Bros. than Snake did. Miyamoto himself even designed a Pac-Man game (Pac-Man VS., which is regarded as the best Pac-Man game aside from the original and Ms.). I think Pac-Man would be better than a Tekken or Tales character, because at least Pac-Man is iconic. That being said, I rather not there be a Namco character, and I have a bad feeling that Namco would not want to stop at Pac-Man.
 

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To be fair to Pac-Man, he would fit much better into Smash Bros. than Snake did. Miyamoto himself even designed a Pac-Man game (Pac-Man VS., which is regarded as the best Pac-Man game aside from the original and Ms.). I think Pac-Man would be better than a Tekken or Tales character, because at least Pac-Man is iconic. That being said, I rather not there be a Namco character, and I have a bad feeling that Namco would not want to stop at Pac-Man.
No offense, but you act like the Namco team doesn't know about Sakurai's views of third parties.
 

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Meh I don't like Pac Man, I'd rather see a Tekken or Tales character (and I haven't even played either series yet). I also just can't see how he'd fight either, yes he has the Pac Man World games but I don't think they'd draw upon those, he also gives off a non-fighting Toad vive IMO. Either way keep Namco characters out of the roster.

As a side note, I'd personally argue that Snake was a better fit for Smash than Simon Belmont or Frogger.


@Chrono: This just came to thought, but have the Japanese said anything in regard to Namco?
 

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Meh I don't like Pac Man, I'd rather see a Tekken or Tales character (and I haven't even played either series yet). I also just can't see how he'd fight either, yes he has the Pac Man World games but I don't think they'd draw upon those, he also gives off a non-fighting Toad vive IMO. Either way keep Namco characters out of the roster.

As a side note, I'd personally argue that Snake was a better fit for Smash than Simon Belmont or Frogger.


@Chrono: This just came to thought, but have the Japanese said anything in regard to Namco?
No way Snake would fit better than Simon Belmont. A lot of Belmont's moveset practically writes itself with all the sub-weapons he has. Don't make me wake up Toise from his hibernation.

As for Namco characters, they mostly talk about Tales, of which they absolutely cannot agree on a character.

On a side note, here is a refreshingly realistic roster that I saw posted on GameFAQs of all places:



Basically:
- All Brawl characters return
- Mewtwo and Roy brought back
- Newcomers are Ridley, Palutena, K. Rool, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Mega Man, and Pac-Man

I think this is most likely what is going to happen, though Pac-Man is the most iffy one of the bunch.
 

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Basically:
- All Brawl characters return
- Mewtwo and Roy brought back
- Newcomers are Ridley, Palutena, K. Rool, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Mega Man, and Pac-Man

I think this is most likely what is going to happen, though Pac-Man is the most iffy one of the bunch.
True. I can agree that a Namco rep is still very iffy. (I wont even be surprised if none get in. However, it doesn't mean i don't one lol)
 

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I'm not surprised the Japanese are fixated with Tales considering how much more popular the series is over there.

I still think Cress/Cless would be the most ideal for a Tales character, if it ever does happen.
 

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No way Snake would fit better than Simon Belmont. A lot of Belmont's moveset practically writes itself with all the sub-weapons he has.
Meh, both are mature series given their atmospheres and gameplay, but the lack of humor and character in Castlevania makes me think Metal Gear was a better fit. To one's own I guess. Cardboard Boxes rule.

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One does not need to wake Toise from hibernation, he'll show up on his own soon enough. He knows when he is needed.

On a side note, here is a refreshingly realistic roster that I saw posted on GameFAQs of all places:

Definitely not a bad roster, honestly I wouldn't pan it about anything outside too many 3rd parties.
 

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I just got done reading some topics on the Golden Sun: Dark Dawn message board at GameFAQs and they are really pessimistic about the future of that series. There are a few of them that think the only way to revitalize the series would be if Isaac were to be playable in Smash 4. Other than that a lot of them have pretty much resigned themselves to the fact that the series probably won't get another installment.

Also, throw in that the higher-ups at Golden Sun say that they will do a GS4 if there is enough demand for one, but then later on in the response admit it probably won't happen. The Camelot guy was also saying how difficult it is to write a story for a RPG and how much writing for Dark Dawn drained him, and went on and on about that.

I feel a lot of sympathy for the Isaac supporters, not only are they fighting for a character, they are fighting for a series. Isaac still has a lot of support in the West, however, lately Shulk has started to eat Isaac's lunch here too:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/64895787?results=1#1

I have not played the Golden Sun games, so I am neutral on Isaac in general though.

This may be a common theme for a lot of Nintendo characters that are being requested for Smash Bros. Inclusion in Smash Bros. means survival for a lot of them.
This is one of my biggest bones to pick with Sakurai.

A lot of series that are basically drowning to obscurity would get a second chance for fame due Smash Bros, yet Sakurai rules them out and lets this one one series to bask in huge amount of fame and love. It's pretty disheartening and maybe even if cruel thought, because Nintendo might need a reboot in means of having C-popularity IPs aside from ones to be included in Smash Bros or beforeso (Punch-Out for example). I personally wish Smash Bros would use it's potential to revilatize these series because it'd be more of a gathering of Nintendo-series than it is at the moment (being just a popularity/importance-based with some exceptions that are now basking to same fame as the popular ones) and it'd help get publicity to the series featured in them. (-i_i-)

But rather thinking Sakurai's not really realising how he could revitalize those series or him setting just mindless restrictions, I think it's because Sakurai wants to keep the standards up for including characters maybe because he doesn't want to fall of to crazy spiral where he has to fanservice every C-series Nintendo has done by a franchise. Not everyone can be pleased and it shouldn't be so.

I'm though expecting the worst, for all the C-series that we'd wish to see in Smash.
If Isaac (or even Matthew) would not be in Smash Bros as a playable or Golden Sun gets next to nothing representation from it's franchises, we can assume it will be staying dead. (until Camelot actually does 4th sequel out of blue, which is unlikely. Rather see Camelot being bought by another company or even going bankrupt before that happens).

I'd be pretty devastated though, and I'm dreading this might mean same to all other C-series which are now in hiatus (Like Starfy or Custom Robo).
 

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Starphoenix has been really pulling for Waddle Dee lately, but at both GameFAQs and NeoGAF there is a lot of hostility to the character. They still think Bandanna Dee is another grunt that does not deserve being promoted to a playable spot. The warmest place to him seems to be SmashBoards where there's at least some people who go "he would be cool, but i don't expect it to happen". I think if more people had played Return to Dream Land, more people would have warmed up to the character.
Coming from a place that pulls for Ashley and Tom Nook, I'm really not threatened by their opinions. If you want hostility, try talking about Paper Mario.
 

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Basically:
- All Brawl characters return
- Mewtwo and Roy brought back
- Newcomers are Ridley, Palutena, K. Rool, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Mega Man, and Pac-Man
It just seems small to me. All the additions are the ones who have the highest chances for sure. Save pacman. If the roster was 45 I'd imagine only one third party getting in (Megaman), but I like that it has the majority of most wanted characters universally. Like from Japan, America and Europe. Still not convinced on Palutena, I'm waiting to play Uprising to make a proper decision.
 

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That roster's very likely if looking at all circumstances we had spoken here. Only 8 newcomers though and 2 returning ones. (-l´l-); I can accept this but it's not something I'll be hyping for. No suprises at all because most of the characters who have some problems to tackle with before in Smash aren't here (Toad, Isaac, Saki, Dixie, etc).

I'd rather see Lloyd or even Cless over Pacman since they're more synonymous when it comes to having a dedicated history on Nintendo.
 

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Coming from a place that pulls for Ashley and Tom Nook, I'm really not threatened by their opinions. If you want hostility, try talking about Paper Mario.
The only two Mario characters they love at GameFAQs are Waluigi and Paper Mario, they especially love Waluigi.

I do think that roster I posted (minus Pac-Man) is most likely what's going to happen with Smash 4's roster. People will say 48 playable characters and only seven true newcomers is too low, but keep in mind that Sakurai is probably going to overhaul and re-design a lot of the veterans and make characters customizable (what they entails is unknown at this point).

The nine new characters are also the characters that are wanted the most, so its not bad. The only problem with such a roster would be a lack of surprises.
 

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Looking at this point, SSB4 seems like the real last Smash Bros-game because there's so little characters left for Sakurai to add that seems to fit on his criteria of "deserving characters".

Crazy hypothesis: If the series that would get another jump to gaming community die off due not having much representation given, Nintendo's gonna be definitely leaving them eat dust for good and their respective subsidiaries might halt them, resulting them losing a lot of IPs (and dearies I can't stand thinking the fanbases longing for new games but might never get one because their basically never up to same profit as the one featured in Smash Bros.)

But yeah, what Chrono said. But I hope our prediction about this roster isn't entirely true (meaning it could have more franchises we're supporting here around).
 

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seeing as we are in the midst of talking about Golden Sun. I just want to say i absolutely love the series infact Golden Sun 1 and 2 are my favourite GBA/Handheld games and are actually tied at 6th place in my all time favourite games of all time.

I would love to see a continuation of the series and i would love to see Isaac, Felix or even Alex in Smash Bros. one day.

I'd rather see Camelot working on this franchise rather than another Mario Tennis or Mario Golf. That being said knowing Nintendo loves their Mario stuff they'll keep Camelot doing that for two more years and could be another 5 years till we see another Golden Sun.
 

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It just seems small to me. All the additions are the ones who have the highest chances for sure. Save pacman. If the roster was 45 I'd imagine only one third party getting in (Megaman), but I like that it has the majority of most wanted characters universally. Like from Japan, America and Europe. Still not convinced on Palutena, I'm waiting to play Uprising to make a proper decision.
That ultra conservative roster does not excite me. There's no surprises. All three games had unexpected characters. SSB64 had Captain Falcon, Ness, and Jigglypuff. Melee had Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Marth (at least in the West), Roy, and arguably Zelda/Sheik (because they never fought before unlike Peach) and Pichu. Brawl had Pokemon Trainer, Snake, Zero Suit Samus, R.O.B., and arguably Olimar and Wolf (because he is not Krystal).

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But yeah, what Chrono said. But I hope our prediction about this roster isn't entirely true (meaning it could have more franchises we're supporting here around).
All it would take for me to be really happy with the final roster is everyone from Brawl coming back plus Ridley, Mega Man, Mewtwo, Roy, and Little Mac. I would be a really happy camper, and be extremely satisfied with the roster.
 

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Chrono's wishes feel so humble compared to mine. (-=<>=-);;

I'm now just wishing foremostly to get Dixie in SSB4: I wouldn't care who else made it in as newcomers then if she made it. I'd feel at least that my childhood would feel complete with her around and all the other characters so far in Smash (Kirby,Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Peach, Yoshi, Wario, Diddy Kong)

I though wish I could request so much more without thinking it's unrealistic. Lip and Starfy would be sweet to see in Smash since they're pretty dear characters to me. If it wasn't for Starfy I wouldn't ever digged to any of Nintendo's lesser-known or obscure series in the first place. And then there's the other series I had fallen in love with which were featured in Smash Bros by minor roles but could be so much more as well.
 

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Dixie Kong is quite plausible to get in. I like Dixie Kong a lot too Horsetail, and she's one of the few characters I actually personally want to see in. Though, a big fat croc is likely going to take priority over her, so it will be down to whether Sakurai wants to give DK four playable characters. However, its also possible that Dixie Kong gets in over K. Rool since Sakurai might possibly have a moveset for her leftover from when she was planned for Brawl.

As for Starfy, I actually feel more confident on his chances than Isaac. Besides, even if Starfy does not get in, a new Starfy game is more likely than a lot of the other C-list series (Custom Robo, Sin & Punishment, Golden Sun).

Lip is the least likely of the characters you mentioned, though I think if Sakurai includes her as an Assist Trophy, it will get a lot of people interested in her and her series.

I do feel bad for you Horsetail. Its crap waiting six to seven years for your favorite characters to get in, only to have the one you want the most not get in. Even if all the characters I want fail to get in Smash 4, I still won't be following Smash 5. I am getting very fatigued with Smash Bros. and gaming in general.
 

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Chrono: I dunno what to blame, the fact that I like characters which are from mostly lesser-known series and are now nearing brink of death because they're incompetent, or just the fact that Smash Bros is merely a popularity poll with suprises here and there sprinkled and Sakurai's just being a **** towards the C-series in general. But thanks for giving empathy. (-ú^ù-)

@Dixie: Yeah, but I hope he includes both.

@Starfy: I know, but on the other hand I don't wish for the tables to be turned, I just got into Golden Sun and I seriously think it'd be great addition to Smash Bros.

@Lip: This is what I think of as well. I feel mostly optimistic on seeing more throwbacks to the series.

I tell ya tho, you had much longer run, and I wish it doesn't let you down. It'd be even more crap if Ridley was shafted again despite you waiting more than a decade.
(-@^@-);;;;

Also, for a longrunning journey of yours throughout SSB's times, it's more than a good think to step down from the community.

But I'll just refer to Star's words here because I really wish we wouldn't get too downmooded and feeling pretty pessimistic towards our expectations about SSB4.

We haven't yet seen anything about this game, heck we would not hear anything about it until E3 and we're getting practically burnt out from speculating about something we're not entirely sure of will be in the final game.

Look, I knew 75% of the roster was going to be what it was with Brawl, but it was still exciting to see new characters and how they played. The same is true with the next game. Even if we end up with few surprises on the roster, there is still much to look forward to.
 
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Basically:
- All Brawl characters return
- Mewtwo and Roy brought back
- Newcomers are Ridley, Palutena, K. Rool, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Mega Man, and Pac-Man

I think this is most likely what is going to happen, though Pac-Man is the most iffy one of the bunch.
For the most part you're right about the newcomers (though I disagree on Shulk being among the Top 10 most likely newcomers), although I do doubt this roster since there's a lack of a character that would surprise most people.

Edit: Hey, that's a_fartn_spartan's roster. Need to comment on his roster on GameFAQs.
 

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That looks too conservative. I think it's probably a safe bet that a Gen 5 Pokemon would be added (probably Zoroark). Heck, depending on how long it takes before SSB4 comes out, we might even get a Gen 6 Pokemon being put in there as a way to tease 3DS Pokemon or something.


Also, can it be agreed that if Pac-Man gets in, we need to have Ms. Pac-Man and Baby Pac-Man as alternate costumes?
 

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Some NeoGAF punk wants to bet against Mewtwo returning for Smash 4, and calls me a fanboy for thinking he will. Its funny how many people get on a high horse for no apparent reason.
 

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True man going against the odds. (-=<>=-);; But I suggest not doing wierd bets with him. Yuui even challenged to do a bit of ridiculous act of eating all his words if Isaac made in Smash. Literally. (Not needed though Yuui, I get your points about Isaac not being likely, but not necessary to do that... if you're that serious.)

Mewtwo was planned in Brawl so I bet he'll be back anyway, no contest.
 

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This petty childishness and micro-aggression are also reasons why I don't want to stick around in the Smash Bros. community (and video game fandom in general). I just don't have the patience for that kind of crap anymore.
 

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Chrono: I have reasons why I'm never attend places crawling with Sonic-fans despite being a huge fan of Sonic myself.

But true, at least we have our standards. But boy do I dread the day when people flock in here like crazy after Smash 4 trailer is released.
 
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Whether he is likely or not (no one can really tell; both sides tend to give flawed statements), Waluigi is one of my most wanted characters.
If he makes it in, great. If he doesn't, I still have Wario to fall back on as a main.

EDIT: Though if my theory about Waluigi being a major character in Dark Moon is correct, then I would expect him to be very likely and be more "accepted" by others.

EDIT: Other than Waluigi, if Mewtwo returns, I'm honestly fine with however the roster turns out, even if there are dissapoinments like no Ridley, or the addition of someone like Geno.
 

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Some NeoGAF punk wants to bet against Mewtwo returning for Smash 4, and calls me a fanboy for thinking he will. Its funny how many people get on a high horse for no apparent reason.
Oh that's just GAF, don't take it personally. They're a lovely sort of bunch, in their own crusty kind of a way. Hang a little bit around the off-topic crowd, or NFL-Gaf, and you'll find that attitude comes with the territory.
 
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No way Snake would fit better than Simon Belmont. A lot of Belmont's moveset practically writes itself with all the sub-weapons he has. Don't make me wake up Toise from his hibernation.

As for Namco characters, they mostly talk about Tales, of which they absolutely cannot agree on a character.

On a side note, here is a refreshingly realistic roster that I saw posted on GameFAQs of all places:



Basically:
- All Brawl characters return
- Mewtwo and Roy brought back
- Newcomers are Ridley, Palutena, K. Rool, Little Mac, Takamaru, Shulk, Mega Man, and Pac-Man

I think this is most likely what is going to happen, though Pac-Man is the most iffy one of the bunch.
Meh, I disagree, it's too boring and conservative. If Nintendo wants to draw hype for Smash 4 at the same, or similar lever Brawl had, they're gonna have to be more daring and create scandal, either positive or negative. Remember, there is no such thing as BAD publicity.

I personally find it more likely that 2-3 characters might get cut, and we see some unlikely faces make the roster. Also, I don't think Pac-Man stands as much of a chance as people give him credit.

Some NeoGAF punk wants to bet against Mewtwo returning for Smash 4, and calls me a fanboy for thinking he will. Its funny how many people get on a high horse for no apparent reason.

I notice there is a lot of "my opinion is right, and your is wrong," whenever Smash 4 is mentioned these days. Barring the obviously wrong assumptions, many people here assume to be correct on what WILL and WON't happen in regards to the roster. The cold reality is, as far as we know, ANYTHING could happen. If you aren't willing to accept that, then you are indeed letting your fanboyism blind you and making biased assumptions.

Until we see a trailer with some newcomers or hear some decent news in regards to the roster I'm not putting my money one way or another. Mewtwo and Roy could very well not come back at all, high probability of appearing doesn't guarantee an appearance, not to mention most of our estimates are largely blind.

It's true that many people are getting on their high horse about predictions, but at the same time, not to insult you or anything, but your statement sounds very much like you're projecting. As you yourself are also making very strong claims, with little evidence, and disregarding other valid possibilities (correct me if I'm wrong but you were saying that some guy rooting for Lucina at GameFAQs was dead wrong, and you wanted us to shut him up for you, I'm sorry, but you cannot claim with a straight face that Lucina has NO chance of getting in. The only characters with no chance are the ones that don't fit in with Sakurai's preset rules).

Just my two cents. Perhaps the news drought is starting to get to everyone...
 

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Technically speaking regarding the roster, we do know a few things to base our expectations.

-At least one retro character is guaranteed to appear.
-Third-party choices can still appear, but will be limited. Namco has expressed some interest, and Sakurai commenting on the possibilities of a character from Capcom. Nothing concrete though yet.
-Newcomers are going to appear, but will not be a big focus this time.
 

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Manly Spirit on that roster. It's too conservative. We always have some left field character. Accurately predicting them is near impossible, but what about listing them? I'm just throwing this out here, but who would you guys be genuinely surprised if you saw them in Smash?
 
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Problem is, a lot of characters that the majority would be surprised about are not so surprising to those who predict based on patterns. Despite patterns being a horrible way to predict things.

Such as with G&W and R.O.B., both are historic characters. Next best bet after them if we were to get one is Sheriff, being Nintendo's first actual protagonist character as well as part of the Arcade era.
 

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Meh, I disagree, it's too boring and conservative. If Nintendo wants to draw hype for Smash 4 at the same, or similar lever Brawl had, they're gonna have to be more daring and create scandal, either positive or negative. Remember, there is no such thing as BAD publicity.
Some people would have you believe otherwise. That's why we all used to debate about Tingle, Duck Hunt Dog, Impa, cutting and sales.

Problem is, a lot of characters that the majority would be surprised about are not so surprising to those who predict based on patterns. Despite patterns being a horrible way to predict things.

Such as with G&W and R.O.B., both are historic characters. Next best bet after them if we were to get one is Sheriff, being Nintendo's first actual protagonist character as well as part of the Arcade era.
But really, who remembers Sheriff? I don't think the casual or even the hardcore Nintendo fans know who is Sheriff. Maybe only the Nintendo historians (like that NinDB member parrothead) and the company itself. Do you think Sheriff would have hyped the fans like Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. did? I mean, at least people might have recognized Mr. Game & Watch from a bunch of Game & Watch games from the 1980s and Game & Watch Gallery games featuring Mario characters in the 1990s... and people most likely recognized R.O.B. as that toy robot that came packaged with the NES back in the 1980s. But Sheriff? The reason we (as Smash fans) are even discussing him is because he had a trophy in Melee. I think that if we get another historic character like Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B., it would be someone well-known that they are recognized by casual gamers and Nintendo fans, not just video game historians.
 

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I just got done reading some topics on the Golden Sun: Dark Dawn message board at GameFAQs and they are really pessimistic about the future of that series. There are a few of them that think the only way to revitalize the series would be if Isaac were to be playable in Smash 4. Other than that a lot of them have pretty much resigned themselves to the fact that the series probably won't get another installment.

Also, throw in that the higher-ups at Golden Sun say that they will do a GS4 if there is enough demand for one, but then later on in the response admit it probably won't happen. The Camelot guy was also saying how difficult it is to write a story for a RPG and how much writing for Dark Dawn drained him, and went on and on about that.

I feel a lot of sympathy for the Isaac supporters, not only are they fighting for a character, they are fighting for a series. Isaac still has a lot of support in the West, however, lately Shulk has started to eat Isaac's lunch here too:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-wii-u/64895787?results=1#1

I have not played the Golden Sun games, so I am neutral on Isaac in general though.

This may be a common theme for a lot of Nintendo characters that are being requested for Smash Bros. Inclusion in Smash Bros. means survival for a lot of them.
I'm late to the Isaac and GS discussion, but I'd still like to weigh in. Isaac has been my most wanted character for Smash since pre-Brawl (actually since I first played GS a little after Melee), and I've never deluded myself into thinking that he was ever one of the most likely candidates (during Brawl his series had more prominence but he had better competition, and now his series is in a definite decline), but I agree, the Golden Sun series could very well be over now without some intervening from Smash, which means this might be Isaac's (or Matthew's) last real shot at inclusion. I still think he has a fairly decent shot at inclusion this time around (though not what he had during Brawl's time), along with the fact that, excluding Punch-Out, no new IPs really stand out as incredible likely to be included, giving GS a decent chance, as it is one of the more successful and established IPs left unrepresented. However, I won't deny his chances are slipping pretty rapidly, and in another couple of years he will definitely be outclassed by several other candidates.

Like some others have said, it's not impossible that Camelot will make a Golden Sun 4, but it is (at this point) fairly unlikely. Perhaps if there was more hypothetical support for his series in Japan, where his genre actually still fares fairly well. Of course, that is a double edged sword, as many JRPGs outclass Golden Sun's recent output as well, including Xenoblade. I'd agree that right now his series in indeed on the line with Smash inclusion as one of the only realistic opportunities for it to continue, and even then it's a gamble, Camelot doesn't really need the IP to survive, it has Mario's tennis and golf games which will always bring more success (commercially at least) than a GS game would, which is sadly what is usually boils down to. Even if Isaac (or Matthew) is included in Smash 4, that's no guarantee it'll provide "safety" to his series, though it definitely would help.

As it stands now, this seemingly could be the last real shot a GS character has to be included in Smash (barring any surprise and unlikely non-influenced by Smash fourth game), and even now it's kind of iffy, which is a shame, because the series as a whole is wonderful, and one that could use more attention IMO.

I've come to terms that Isaac is not the fairly likely character choice for Smash 4 that alot of the west seem to think he is, and I'd personally only give his chances at around 50/50 (and some would even give his chances less - which could also be valid).

The only other IP's survival I feel might hinge on Smash inclusion (with a character who has at least decent chances) is Sin & Punishment, but even then I wouldn't be so sure of it's safety, as the whole S&P series has brought less in total than just Dark Dawn. I honestly feel that IPs such as Starfy and Custom Robo could survive without Smash, their future depends more on the choices of their developers, especially as Noise really only has either Custom Robo or creating a new IP, and they are both still decently profitable, at least in Japan.
 
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But really, who remembers Sheriff? I don't think the casual or even the hardcore Nintendo fans know who is Sheriff. Maybe only the Nintendo historians (like that NinDB member parrothead) and the company itself. Do you think Sheriff would have hyped the fans like Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. did? I mean, at least people might have recognized Mr. Game & Watch from a bunch of Game & Watch games from the 1980s and Game & Watch Gallery games featuring Mario characters in the 1990s... and people most likely recognized R.O.B. as that toy robot that came packaged with the NES back in the 1980s. But Sheriff? The reason we (as Smash fans) are even discussing him is because he had a trophy in Melee. I think that if we get another historic character like Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B., it would be someone well-known that they are recognized by casual gamers and Nintendo fans, not just video game historians.
There is no one comparable to G&W and R.O.B. like Sheriff that is "well-known".
I know you're going to bring up the Duck Hunt Dog, but he is not the same as them.
G&W: Part of the first successful game era of Nintendo, even before Mario.
R.O.B.: Saved video games in the Western market.
Sheriff: Nintendo's first protagonist character in gaming.

Tell me where Duck Hunt Dog is on their level. Or anyone else that is "well-known" for that matter.
 
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