Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[ChronoBound]

Wait, so Saki could of potentially been playable if he was popular before the completion of Brawl's roster? If I may ask, how popular was he during pre-Brawl? I'm guessing the release of S&P on VC made his support go up?

Certainly not in the Top 10 at any point in the West. There was really not a decent amount of interest in him in the West until Sin & Punishment's Virtual Console release in October 2007, which by then the game was likely in the debug phase.

 

[Popsydoodles]

OK guys, we will start supporting Duck Hunt Dog after E3.

i would appreciate him more as an AT. Think of like this- you pick up the trophy and out pops some ducks that fly towards the other characters. once the ducks cross paths behind the rival character the screen flashes and you hear the classic gunshot noise. If you get a hit the dog pops up and snickers as the ultimate troll of the ages

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of similar rosters, it's funny how true that is among the people who have been in the Smash scene for awhile. Most of us here seem to agree that King K. Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo, Roy, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Shulk, Isaac and Mega Man should all be in the next game. I think if these were our only newcomers, I'd be more than happy with this.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of similar rosters, it's funny how true that is among the people who have been in the Smash scene for awhile. Most of us here seem to agree that King K. Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo, Roy, Palutena, Takamaru, Little Mac, Shulk, Isaac and Mega Man should all be in the next game. I think if these were our only newcomers, I'd be more than happy with this.

It's the hivemind mentality kicking in...

I at least still take pride in being the odd one out:

Even if it's only slightly... Looks like it's taken over me too now that I look at it...

 

[Frostwraith]

It's the hivemind mentality kicking in...

I at least still take pride in being the odd one out:

Even if it's only slightly... Looks like it's taken over me too now that I look at it...

*robotic voice* You, too, will be assimilated!

Ask yourself this: how many Nintendo All-Stars are left in the roster?
You will see why the "hive mind mentality" exists.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

*robotic voice* You, too, will be assimilated!

Ask yourself this: how many Nintendo All-Stars are left in the roster?
You will see why the "hive mind mentality" exists.

Pretty much this.

We all agree on the big names like Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo etc. But we're all pretty different when it comes to smaller series like Golden Sun, Xenoblade, Sin and Punishment, etc.

Likewise, our hardware and retro choices are different as well.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Speaking of similar rosters, it's funny how true that is among the people who have been in the Smash scene for awhile. Most of us here seem to agree that *insert characters I want* should all be in the next game. I think if these were our only newcomers, I'd be more than happy with this.

*Fixed*
Generalizations aren't always the best. I think its safe to say that rosters are across the board. But when certain threads gain a lot of support many people just list those character because that's what its seems like will happen. They conform to other ideas simply because other people are saying it.

 

[Deleted member]

*robotic voice* You, too, will be assimilated!

Ask yourself this: how many Nintendo All-Stars are left in the roster?
You will see why the "hive mind mentality" exists.

Pretty much this.

We all agree on the big names like Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo etc. But we're all pretty different when it comes to smaller series like Golden Sun, Xenoblade, Sin and Punishment, etc.

Likewise, our hardware and retro choices are different as well.

Maybe I should just make a wishlist roster instead...

I feel like it'd be a lot more exciting tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

Ridley was very popularly requested in the West since Melee's unveil in May 2001.

As if Sakurai really gave a **** about the West's requests at that point in time.

Sure, he attributes Pit having American popularity, but in all honesty, how requested was he in comparison to the likes of Ridley in the West?

 

[Shorts]

Alright, so including transformations I will admit this roster is on the larger side. (Totalling at 55 characters) I realize it’s rather large, but I guess I just don’t care. I’m doing this because I feel like simply posting a picture never gets across how cool I envision these rosters being. So hear me out, and rate. Ask questions, ect. Okay! Here we gooooo ~

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Returning characters
In all honesty, I personally wanted to throw out the third party characters, but I know most of you enjoy their inclusion. If I took them out, I probably would have added Miis, a smaller franchise character, and an addition to an existing franchise (Probably between Mother/Fire Emblem/Kid Icarus). But I kept all the characters from Brawl, and some are coming back with a few tweaks.

Falco – Will be the embodiment of an arwing. A living arwing if you will. He will be further decloned even losing a few of his B moves that are similar to Fox. However, he will still keep his blaster, and shine. Final Smash is Arwing.

Wolf – Will have a similar “almost completely decloned” feel of Falco, but in different ways. He’s going to keep the “dirty fighter” type attacks, but taking it to the next level. Snarling rips at the opponent with his teeth and more claw based moves will be included. He will KEEP his ^ B, and his > B, but his other two B moves will be replaced with weapons from Assualt. Yes, you know you want it. Final Smash will be “Star Wolf”.

Lucas and Ness – I do not KNOW MUCH ABOUT THESE CHARACTERS, but I would like them to at least take moves from their respective games. They will be completely decloned. These two shouldn’t have been clones from the beginning IMO.

Toon Link – Pretty much will be further decloned. His normal attacks will be more playful and childish. Much more cute and characterized. He will continue to share similarities with adult Link in his normal, but none at all in his specials. A completely redone Wind Waker inspired Specials list will happen.

Ganondorf – I want to take him much further away, almost completely, from his current moveset. However, I do want that charge up kick, and his Warlock choke (or whatever) to stay in his moveset. Their iconic attributes.

Pokemon Trainer, ZSS, Zelda/Shiek – Transformation and switching have been moved taunts, and Pokemon aren’t forced to switch. V B moves added

Everyone Else – Need balancing, and with that new moves will be added as needed. Assume from this point on the game is about as balanced as Namco’s most well balanced fighter. Most character’s moves are viable ect. The tier list is still there, but being low isn’t A DEATH SENTENCE against Fox, Falco, or Shiek.

Returning Veterans
Mewtwo – Has gained a new form, activated through Final Smash or Taunt. The ACT of transforming is hurtful, the transformation itself won’t be OP. Mewtwo will get his buffs and move changes where needed, but GodMewtwo is going to have all those funky moves we think Mewtwo should have had. Psychic, Psystrike, ect. Will be God Mewtwo’s moves. Plus whatever he brings in Pokemon X & Y.

Roy – Will be a solid semi-clone. He’s going to stay the heavier Marth in many ways, but still have enough changes to differentiate himself. His B moves will be slightly different than Marths. Enough to have his own playstyle/flare to them, but you can still tell where they came from. Most of his normal will be his own. Still keeping some of Marth’s signature slashes though.

Newcomers
Toad – My reasoning for him is simple, he wouldn’t be minded, and he’s recognizable. His feats within’ the Mario series aren’t amazing, but hey, people like him. Plus he’s been around since the beginning. His playstyle would be fast but easily KO’ed because of how light he is. Not as easy as Jiggs, but the second easiest. His moves would incorporate his scardy cat nature, while using his spores, superhuman strength, and NSMBWii items like Propeller cap and possibly even Ice Balls.

King K. Rool – Pretty much is one of those “duh” choices at this point. He’s the most reoccurring villain in one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises. Nuff said. He actually has decent speed, but his moves have a slow execution time. Which is all right because they pack a powerful punch. His specials would include crown tossing, as well as a few other useful weapons/inventions he uses in boss fights.

Dixie Kong – She’s pretty awesome. Within’ the DK series, she’s sort of a combination of Krystal and Peach. She’s badass in terms of capabilities like Krystal, and has been around within the franchise for a while like Peach. She’s the quintessential Heroine, like Samus. Weight and speed similar to Diddy. A bit lighter though. She would use hair spins, and have a bunch of ranged throws with her hair. She could use her bubble gum as a ticking time bomb sort of attack. A slow moving projectile you could knock enemies into.

Little Mac – Is the western world’s favorite small franchise newcomer. He’s gonna be sort of a “Punch specialist” in Smash. Literally, will only use Punches. I don’t know much about him, but he will be unique in terms of playstyle. Sort of being a Balrog of Smash.

Takamaru – Japan’s go to retro currently, and I think he’s pretty much guaranteed in Smash. I envisioned him fighting like an anime style Samurai, if that makes sense to anyone? His specials could involve all the toys I know he has within his own game.

Samurai Goroh – Will not play like Takamaru. He will not rely mostly on his blade, but sort of occasionally use it. His brute force is where he will excel. When he DOES use his blade though, it will be very hack n slash. Not precise and cool like Takamaru.

Ridley – Pretty much just the same reasoning as King K. Rool. He’s a flying dragon who breathes fire Sound familiar? Unlike that one Pokemon, Charmizar I think?, he’ll EXCELL in aerial combat. He’s going to be the new Olimar in a way. Bring something fresh to Smash. He’ll be able to hover mid-air like Peach, but with much more options for attacking at his disposal. To balance this out, his ground play is lacking, and he can only stay in the air for so long before he has to touch down to the ground and reset the timer. While he’s firball spitting, and ruthlessly smacking you with his tail in the air, on land.. he’s slow in almost every way possible.

Saki – Well he’s cool. And really between him and Isaac I personally see no contest. He’s got guns, he’s got monster power abilities. He’s a dual weapon character, which is cool. I don’t know much about his game, but I like his style and his potential as a character.

Krystal – Was going to be on here, don’t pretend like you didn’t already know. Pretty much is going to be the sole StarFox character to completely separate herself from the pack. Her normal will consist of staff based attacks, while her specials will incorporate Dinosaurs, staff powers, and telepathy. Dino Rampage final Smash yo.

Shulk – Is THE NEW IT BOY. He’s Nintendo’s Lady Gaga when she first came out in 2008. Anyways. He’s got the right stuff an awesome character needs. His moves will mostly be based off of the monado. Haven’t gotten too far in this game to say much else, but, yeah. Monado man.

Dillon – Because he sounds cooler than Isaac IMO. Really though, his games seem to have made a nice mark on most people on SWF. I hear he has explosives, can spin-dash like sonic, and punches pigs? Sounds cool to me. I know he could be unique, I just don’t know much about him. So I can’t say much.

Palutena – Is someone who simply seems to have everything going for her. Her addition just makes sense. Anyways, she would play with light based magic. Possibly even being able to become this sort of “barrier” creating character. Iunno? Sounds cool to me. She would be a heavier character, because look at what she carries around.

Megaman – Is THE third party. His moves will mostly be pulled from his original games. His blaster, rush, and robot master powers will make up his specials. He would have his iconic slide attack as well. He won’t be Kirby 2.0. I won’t allow it. So, he won’t be absorbing powers of fallen enemies. He’ll just use robot master powers.

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Possible DLC Line Up
Pichu – Semi clone revamped yo. He’s gonna be a weak, light, easily KO’ed but fast attacking Pikachu. His moves won’t hurt himself, and he won’t have to be LITERALLY inside the opponents hitbox to hurt them, but he’s gonna be a challenge. His B moves will consist of Thunderbolt, quick attack (three jumps instead of two), discharge (Like electricity but slightly bigger, slower, and makes one in front and behind him), and a counter move known as paraysis. (Like ZSS’s blaster) All these moves will be pretty weak, unless you use his raindance taunt. This is where Pichu shines. His moves are all slightly bigger, and much stronger when raindance is activated. Only lasts 30 seconds, must continuously be reactivated.

Chrom – Why not? He’s about as popular as Roy, just why not? He would be an Ike-Marth lovechild with some slight spins of his own unique abilities. A quarter clone of Marth, a quarter clone of Ike, and the rest would be his own stuff.

Medusa- Ain’t no clone honey. Her run animations will have her feet turn into a Naga’s tail, her smash moves will involves snakes, and her attacks will cast darkness with each landed hit. Her B moves will take moves from her generals, as well as her past attacks from older games. She a boss *****.

Tingle – It was between him and Toon Zelda / Tetra. I chose him. Simple as that. Balloon Fighter meets Sakura con is who Tingle is. He’s gonna be floatin’ with his balloons, he’s gonna be tossin’ rupees at you. He’s gonna piss you off. And I’m happy about it.

Pac-Man – Well I mean, c’mon? If we’re adding extra characters, why not him? He’s got fans. He’s iconic. Come on. He’ll play like you would expect.

 

[FlareHabanero]

At this point there should be a bigger focus on fixing the flaws with every character. There doesn't really need to be new characters at this point, but what is needed is a better sense of balance.

Of course, people are going to disagree with that because they are a bunch of nitwits that simply want more.

 

[Big-Cat]

Maybe it's because I just don't like Lucas's design in general. I also haven't played Mother 3 mind you...

Hey, I'm allowed to be biased too.

Well, both are long range zoners using the same tools to get the job done. Perhaps if Lucas had boost moves, or something else to really set him aside from Ness, he'd be more acceptable. But every time I play Lucas I wish he had some of Ness's moves, and everytime I play Ness I wish he had some of Lucas's moves. It's just both are so mediocre.

Both Ness and Lucas provide the role of being the tanks in their respective games. What I visualized for them, should they be changed up, is for Ness to be setup oriented (think Millia with tech chases) with his yoyos, PK Rockin' (same as his current Fire), Paralysis, Teleport, and Flash. Lucas would be a mostly defensive character with a keepaway PK Love (funcitonally the same as Fire), PK Offense Up, PSI Shield for hyper armor (like El Fuerte's EX Dash), and a pushaway PK Love as both a recovery move and a projectile.

Wait, so Saki could of potentially been playable if he was popular before the completion of Brawl's roster? If I may ask, how popular was he during pre-Brawl? I'm guessing the release of S&P on VC made his support go up?

My theory is that it came from the unreleased poll results. I wouldn't be surprised if characters that were particularly popular back then that didn't make it to appear. This includes Saki and Lyn in particular (mostly because the latter's appearance seems so peculiar).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Saki instead of Isaac and the inclusion of Krystal and Dixie bug me a bit, but other than that it's a really nice roster.

 

[Shorts]

If you're bugged by Dixie, you're silly. Like, really.

Krystal I get, and Saki over Isaac I understand, but Dixie is a solid character.

 

[FalKoopa]

Same as Swampasaur, except that I'm fine with Dixie's inclusion.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If you're bugged by Dixie, you're silly. Like, really.

Krystal I get, and Saki over Isaac I understand, but Dixie is a solid character.

I just don't think that the Donkey Kong series warrants four characters.However it definately deserves three. K.Rool definitely deserves a spot and frankly so does Dixie. I just can't see them both happening and I like K.Rool more so.... :/

I admit. I'm slightly biased. We all are though.

I'd appreciate it, if you didn't call me "silly" in the future. We both know that silly was just a nice way of saying something else.

 

[Shorts]

If you think silly is offensive, you're silly.

And, "warrents x amount of characters" is just arbitrary Smash speculation stuff. Tell em Star.

 

[Banjodorf]

Swamp I'm gonna have to disagree; I agree that I want K. Rool first (who doesn't?) but I also want to see Dixie. I might be a HUGE DK fanboy, but I don't see how it's overkill to have 4 DK reps if Starfox gets 3.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If you think silly is offensive, you're silly.

And, "warrents x amount of characters" is just arbitrary Smash speculation stuff. Tell em Star.

Well okay then.

Well let me ask you this. Realistically, do you think DK will get two more characters? It's just the way I feel.

 

[Shorts]

Well okay then.

Well let me ask you this. Realistically, do you think DK will get two more characters? It's just the way I feel.

Well, I'm not sure? I think it's definitely possible. I also think Dixie is in all reality probably more likely. She was planned for Brawl, K Rool (As far as we know) was not.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well, I'm not sure? I think it's definitely possible. I also think Dixie is in all reality probably more likely. She was planned for Brawl, K Rool (As far as we know) was not.

To be honest I think both deserve a spot and if Sakurai hadn't made that comment about making sure the roster wasn't too big, I'd add her in. I'm just trying to be conservative.

 

[kikaru]

Well, I'm not sure? I think it's definitely possible. I also think Dixie is in all reality probably more likely. She was planned for Brawl, K Rool (As far as we know) was not.

Wasn't Toad and Dedede planned for the 64 version? We have yet to see Toad as a playable character... And it also seemed like Dixie Kong was meant to act as a duo with Diddy Kong but that became too complicated, if Sakurai really thought she deserved the spot she could've been made into a separate character altogether or at the very least be planned as an individual character. And if this is true then she may have been scrapped completely. (Correct me if I'm wrong) Still, we truly won't know until later.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wasn't Toad and Dedede planned for the 64 version? We have yet to see Toad as a playable character... And it also seemed like Dixie Kong was meant to act as a duo with Diddy Kong but that became too complicated, if Sakurai really thought she deserved the spot she could've been made into a separate character altogether or even be planned as an individual character. And if this is true then she may have been scrapped completely. (Correct me if I'm wrong) Still, we truly won't know until later.

Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo were planned for the 64 version. Toad hasn't been planned for a smash game yet.

 

[Shorts]

Wasn't Toad and Dedede planned for the 64 version? We have yet to see Toad as a playable character... And it also seemed like Dixie Kong was meant to act as a duo with Diddy Kong but that became too complicated, if Sakurai really thought she deserved the spot she could've been made into a separate character altogether or even be planned as an individual character. And if this is true then she may have been scrapped completely. (Correct me if I'm wrong) Still, we truly won't know until later.

As far as we know, Toad has never been planned. And you can't discredit Dixie simply because she didn't make the cut originally. Neither did Mewtwo or Roy. Time constraints are time constraints yo. Really, Sakurai has a positive opinion on Dixie, and we don't actually know his opinion on K. Rool. It's not crazy to reason Dixie could very well get in over K Rool. Especially because she kinda almost did. And, remember PT thought about during Melee's development, but it wasn't possible back then. Now look at him. Only he was going to have Jhoto starters in Melee <3

 

[FlareHabanero]

Dillon – Because he sounds cooler than Isaac IMO. Really though, his games seem to have made a nice mark on most people on SWF. I hear he has explosives, can spin-dash like sonic, and punches pigs? Sounds cool to me. I know he could be unique, I just don’t know much about him. So I can’t say much.

Oh man N3ON is going to be mad at the Issac statement.

Dillon's primary form of offense is rolling and claw based attacks in quick succession. His abilities center around both concepts, but he also has the ability to burrow underground and can utilize crystals that have varies effects ranging from freezing to explosions.

As for the roll attacks, there's the standard slam, a charged roll that creates shockwaves, a grinding attack, and a side sweep roll. For the claw attacks, there's the standard succession of swipes, and then there's the side swipe when used in conjunction with the side sweep roll.

 

[Shorts]

See I picked the right character ^^

 

[kikaru]

Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo were planned for the 64 version. Toad hasn't been planned for a smash game yet.

Aha, I knew there was three but for some reason I thought I remember it being Mewtwo, Dedede, and Toad. Oh well. The more you know!

 

[~automatic]

Here's a vid with all the stuff mentioned in the last 5-10 posts.

Rare's James Bond would have been interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

@Shortiecanbrawl: Great roster there. I like pretty much every addition out there with the exception of Dillon (just don't care for him at all and think that Isaac would be a much better inclusion). Truly an Nintendo All-Stars roster if you ask me. 9.75/10.

Regarding DLC, Pichu would be great to bring back. I really miss him from Melee and would like to see him return for Smash 4 in some way. Since he probably won't make the initial roster, putting him as DLC would be a great way to bring him back. I would buy him as DLC.

Chrom is also a really good choice as DLC. I don't care about him too much, but he's pretty much the best addition Fire Emblem has next to Roy, so I'm okay with him.

Tingle would work great as a character. Again, I'm neutral on him, but he would be great to see as a joke character. Pretty humorous too.

As for Pac-Man and Medusa, not interested, but they're DLC so I don't mind.

It's the hivemind mentality kicking in...

I at least still take pride in being the odd one out:

We're running out of characters that most would agree on. Outside of these ten I mentioned, characters become a lot more debatable in whenever or not they should be in. It's why most people would be satisfied if only a few select choices they want get in (for me, they would be Mega Man, Mewtwo and King K. Rool).

I'm not saying that there aren't any other good choice, after all, I'm one of the few that consider Mach Rider a decent possibility and a great addition at it. But if we do get the lowest amount of increase for a Smash game, it won't be because we get a few cuts or because the game is too imbalance, but because there may not be many left that Sakurai considers worthy of adding.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Issac is pretty dull though. Never did understand why people would like generic stuff like that, but then again I do question the reasons for a lot of things in general.

 

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Here's a vid with all the stuff mentioned in the last 5-10 posts.

Because I'm a nerd with nothing else better to do,

1. The Melee poll was from fans, not the developers.
2. They completely forgot Sukapon.
3. They completely missed the Diddy/Dixie tag team.
4. Kinda dumb of them to talk about all the possible names that "Roy" could be.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Issac is pretty dull though. Never did understand why people would like generic stuff like that, but then again I do question the reasons for a lot of things in general.

Hey. He has more character than Takamaru.

Or Mario for that matter. :Troll:

 

[Popsydoodles]

I do question the reasons for a lot of things in general.

Sounds really philosophical

 

[FlareHabanero]

Hey. He has more character than Takamaru.

Or Mario for that matter. :Troll:

Issac has character? The **** am I reading?

 

[Croph]

A rock has more personality than Mario...seriously...

 

[Gingerbread Man]

A rock has more personality than Mario...seriously...

That's a pretty shallow statement. You don't need text or dialogue to convey a personality. Based on mario's source material, he has quite a lot of personality.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Issac has character? The **** am I reading?

Have you played Golden Sun: The Lost Age or Golden Sun: Dark Dawn? He gains character once he sheds the "silent protagonist" role.

@Gingerbread

Thing is that Mario is a Gary Stue. He's perfect. He has no character flaws, unlike everyone character in the franchise, which can make him predictable and boring at times. That's why some people find him bland.

I still love that mustached plumber though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That's a pretty shallow statement. You don't need text or dialogue to convey a personality. Based on mario's source material, he has quite a lot of personality.

Yes, because jumping around yelling "YAHOO" is such deep and enticing character development...

Have you played Golden Sun: The Lost Age or Golden Sun: Dark Dawn? He gains character once he sheds the "silent protagonist" role.

Let me guess, Issac has the typical RPG hero optimistic bringer of justice attitude.

 

[Popsydoodles]

Not like having a distinguished personality means to much in smash anyway. It's all about what the character brings to the table

 

[Croph]

That's a pretty shallow statement. You don't need text or dialogue to convey a personality. Based on mario's source material, he has quite a lot of personality.

Don't take me too seriously... though, I did like Mario in Super Mario RPG as his personality was pretty funny and interesting for a change.

And Isaac does have personality. He's a Venus Adept. So he obviously represents love, fertility, and beauty.

Not like having a distinguished personality means to much in smash anyway. It's all about what the character brings to the table

That's exactly what I think when people are say, "hurr durr Roy haz no personality. Like ew, he shouldn't be in Smash becuz of dat!" As absurd as that sounds, I've heard people bring up that argument before. But that doesn't only apply to Roy, basically anyone for that matter. Look at ROB and G&W. For ROB, Imo, they made a real-life object have a bit of personality in Brawl. I mean, I always thought ROB's kinda cute doing his robot dance taunts...plus the SSE fleshed out some characters.