Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono's Roy-fanboy sure is showing quite a lot today. (-=_=-);


Also, Mewtwo's the real system seller to me.

 

[Metal Overlord]

that's what he means by casuals manly

people who just **** around when playing the game, play everything with items, don't really take the time to understand their character's movesets and just spam their most powerful moves, etc

 

[Deleted member]

Tipper was nerfed? How?

In Brawl?

Smaller hitbox for the tip. Sword is shorter, attacks with the tip hit less hard than in Melee, not to mention that the floaty mechanics of Brawl made juggling a bit harder for Marth.

Also, the Changed Shield Breaker and made it ****ty so you couldn't edge-guard with it anymore.

Funny how despite all those short-comings Marth still managed to be a high-tier character in Brawl.

 

[ChronoBound]

Chrono's Roy-fanboy sure is showing quite a lot today. (-=_=-);

All I have done today about Roy is defend him as a character and his inclusion in Melee. That is not fanboyism.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Marth seemed more accessible to casuals but he feels wierd in the next game. I like the more functional Up-Smash though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Chrono's Roy-fanboy sure is showing quite a lot today. (-=_=-);

Roy is actually pointing a gun to Chrono's head right now, threatening to pop a cap in his skull if he doesn't say positive stuff about Roy.

 

[Deleted member]

that's what he means by casuals manly

people who just **** around when playing the game, play everything with items, don't really take the time to understand their character's movesets and just spam their most powerful moves, etc

I had a friend just like that. During FFA matches he'd just sit in the middle of the stage and spam Link's Spin Attack, over and over again.

We called him "No Skills" from that day forward.

 

[ChronoBound]

that's what he means by casuals manly

people who just **** around when playing the game, play everything with items, don't really take the time to understand their character's movesets and just spam their most powerful moves, etc

Yeah. Casual players play with all items on, and just hit random usually for stages. This being a competitive Smash Bros. site, they tend to lose sight those people are the the overhwhelming majority (at least 90%) of Smash Bros. fans and players out there.

 

[FalKoopa]

Roy is actually pointing a gun to his head right now.

The gun will shoot phir3.

 

[ChronoBound]

Roy is actually pointing a gun to his head right now, threatening to pop a cap in his skull if he doesn't say positive stuff about him.

Man, what is your problem. Did Roy steal your girlfriend or something?

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah. Casual players play with all items on, and just hit random usually for stages. This being a competitive Smash Bros. site, they tend to lose sight those people are the the overhwhelming majority (at least 90%) of Smash Bros. fans and players out there.

But that's like the casual Mario Kart players, or the casual gamers for just about any game in the industry. The Angry Birders and such. Their opinions don't matter.
;leepictrollface.gif;

 

[~automatic]

Considering you are a competitive player, of course you would dominate casual players with Marth. Playing extensively amongst casual fans, they have had an easier time hitting with Roy's sweet spot than Marth's.
Also, we are already know Marth is better than Roy on a tier list.
Marth was frankly made to be too overpowered in Melee. (he even had a few nerfs in the European version of the game).

Sakurai balances as best he can for the product he intends; I highly doubt Sakurai balanced Melee for the way the competitive metagame evolved.

Marth is better than Roy. Roy's knock back on his normals might be higher but you can't string combos with them after two hits. Roy needs to get in close to perform at his in his best zone but nearly every character has better options at Roy's best range. Roy also falls faster than Marth which means he can get comboed with more ease than Marth. Roy's "tip" almost never hist because most of the time the rest of his sword's hurtbox hits the oponent before the "tip" does. There's more stuff against Roy but I'm too lazy to make long(er) posts.

I like playing as Roy too, but there's a reason why Marth is my main in Melee.

Funny how despite all those short-comings Marth still managed to be a high-tier character in Brawl.

Marth is a very well rounded character that makes you rely on fundamentals and not doing stupid ****. Marth's options are fast, safe and have excellent range too. I don't envision Marth ever being bad in a somewhat balanced game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Did Roy steal your girlfriend or something?

Actually he uses up all the hot water, messes up my bed sheets, tracks mud on the rug, and always eats all of the Oreos.

The Oreo thing always pissed me off.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: I didn't mean it that literally, but ah well. Just lots of speaking about Roy today...

Habanero: If that's so, then I must be getting an Eternal Sword up my ass soon for postponing doing a an argument page for Lloyd.

Waugh.

But really, Roy has to yet impress me. (-´_´-)

 

[Deleted member]

But really, Roy has to yet impress me. (-´_´-)

Have you played FE6 yet?

I liked playing Roy in Melee from time to time, but then I played FE6.

 

[Metal Overlord]

am I reading right, or was the phrase "pop a cap" just used in a Smash Bros thread

 

[ChronoBound]

Have you played FE6 yet?

I liked playing Roy in Melee from time to time, but then I played FE6.

Roy is actually amongst the Top 10 best units in FE6 (in a game with over 50 recruitable units in the main game). Amongst pre-FE7 lords, the only two "powerful" ones were Sigurd and Celice.

As a matter of fact, as an unit Roy is regarded better in his own game than Eliwood and Lyn are in their's (just compare their position on the tier lists).

 

[FalKoopa]

Their opinions don't matter.
;leepictrollface.gif;

I think their opinion holds weight as they are the target demographic. At the same time, I believe casuals are too divided to form a common opinion. >_>

 

[Deleted member]

Roy is actually amongst the Top 10 best units in FE6 (in a game with over 50 recruitable units in the main game). Amongst pre-FE7 lords, the only two "powerful" ones were Sigurd and Celice.

As a matter of fact, as an unit Roy is regarded better in his own game than Eliwood and Lyn are in their's (just compare their position on the tier lists).

You sure about that?

/feg/ hates his guts. I should mention /feg/ also dislikes Lyn because of the waifu **** and actually consider Eliwood to be a better unit stat-wise. I tried to argue against them, but they proved me wrong on that one.

/feg/'s fave units are Hector, Sigurd and Ike. Ephriam too.

I would trust /feg/ as they seem to know their **** about Fire Emblem, and their main dislike for Roy had many well founded reasons, including but not limited to his useless late promotion and his terrible early game.

He's even below Micaiah in their eyes.

@Koopa

I was just having a laugh buddy. Only being half serious with that statement so don't look into it too much.

 

[FlareHabanero]

But really, Roy has to yet impress me. (-´_´-)

I'm in the same territory. At the moment I just do see much with Roy aside from being an inferior Math and a shoddy lord. Ironically no matter what Chrono has said over the months, he only convinced me that Leif would be a cool addition due to him being able use everything but the kitchen sink after being promoted.

 

[ChronoBound]

You sure about that?

/feg/ hates his guts. I should mention /feg/ also dislikes Lyn because of the waifu ***s and actually consider Eliwood to be a better unit stat-wise. I tried to argue against them, but they proved me wrong on that one.

/feg/'s fave units are Hector, Sigurd and Ike. Ephriam too.

I would trust /feg/ as they seem to know their **** about Fire Emblem, and their main dislike for Roy had many well founded reasons, including but not limited to his useless late promotion and his terrible early game.

He's even below Micaiah in their eyes.

I don't care what a bunch of people who pirate games have to say,. In general, the Western FE fanbase usually just cares about how overpowered a lord is (in comparison to the Japanese fanbase, there are some that actually disdain for that, and some want to see the power of lords toned down back to pre-FE7 levels). Prior to FE7, lords were more often than not "weak" or "mediocre". Heck, when Shouzou Kaga (the creator of FE) left IS and made Tear Ring Saga, Ronan (the lord of Tear Ring Saga) was weaker than any other lord in the FE series, except possibly FE1 Marth. Reese from Berwick Saga, I heard was even weaker than Ronan.

Secondly, they are right that Eliwood is better as an unit than Lyn (especially on Hector mode).

However, within the context of FE6, Roy is among the best units in his game, though he is definitely among the weaker lords in the series (he is better than Leaf and FE1 Marth, and probably on par with FE3 Book 1 Marth and Micaiah). Roy is not terrible early game, and is probably better than most other units in the early part of the game with the exception of Alan, Lance, Dieck, and Rutger (who in general are amongst the best units overall for FE6).

Roy's main handicap overall for FE6 is his absurdly late promotion. Had he promoted at say, Chapter 16 (where he becomes leader of the Etrurian Army), he would be considered among the Top 5 best units in FE6. As he is currently in FE6, he is regarded among the Top 10 best units in that.

 

[lobotheduck21]

to be fair kitchen sinks have yet to be incorporated into fire emblem

 

[ChronoBound]

Ino matter what Chrono has said over the months, he only convinced me that Leif would be a cool addition due to him being able use everything but the kitchen sink after being promoted.

I said Leaf would a good addition (he's my favorite lord afterall). However, Leaf can only use every weapon type in FE4 when he promotes (where he is not a lord). In FE5 where he is the lord, he can only use swords, even when he promotes.

Also, its funny how you call Roy a "shoddy lord" when Leaf is far weaker than Roy within his own game, and the second-worst lord overall in the series (the worst is FE1 Marth).

 

[~automatic]

I think their opinion holds weight as they are the target demographic. At the same time, I believe casuals are too divided to form a common opinion. >_>

The way I see it, if you bought and played the game you're entitled to your opinion about the game and the game play experience. You bought a Smash game, loved it or hated it and that's worth respecting as long as you spent enough time with the product to have an informed opinion relevant to your desired gameplay experience. That being said, if you did not play competitively then you don't have a say in tier list discussions, what characters are good in a competitive 1v1 scenario and stuff like that because you don't have enough knowledge about the competitive medium and all of it's aspects. I know it sounds elitist but that's the way I see it.


If someone doesn't know enough about an art form, a sport, a game or a discipline then that person's opinion regarding that topic is not relevant; with all due respect.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Idk about you guys, but I feel like watching some Roy combo videos now!

 

[~automatic]

Have fun watching two up-tilts and a throw over and over.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't care what a bunch of people who pirate games have to say,. In general, the Western FE fanbase usually just cares about how overpowered a lord is (in comparison to the Japanese fanbase, there are some that actually disdain for that, and some want to see the power of lords toned down back to pre-FE7 levels). Prior to FE7, lords were more often than not "weak" or "mediocre". Heck, when Shouzou Kaga (the creator of FE) left IS and made Tear Ring Saga, Ronan (the lord of Tear Ring Saga) was weaker than any other lord in the FE series, except possibly FE1 Marth. Reese from Berwick Saga, I heard was even weaker than Ronan.

Secondly, they are right that Eliwood is better as an unit than Lyn (especially on Hector mode).

However, within the context of FE6, Roy is among the best units in his game, though he is definitely among the weaker lords in the series (he is better than Leaf and FE1 Marth, and probably on par with FE3 Book 1 Marth and Micaiah). Roy is not terrible early game, and is probably better than most other units in the early part of the game with the exception of Alan, Lance, Dieck, and Rutger (who in general are amongst the best units overall for FE6).

Roy's main handicap overall for FE6 is his absurdly late promotion. Had he promoted at say, Chapter 16 (where he becomes leader of the Etrurian Army), he would be considered among the Top 5 best units in FE6. As he is currently in FE6, he is regarded among the Top 10 best units in that.

Well, what does it matter if they Pirate games or not? How does that make their opinions any less valid than yours? They still played the same game.

Anyway, I seem to recall Lilianna (is that her name? Hector's girl) being a far better unit Roy could ever hope to be. Also, 'could have been' doesn't mean anything. The fact remains that he is what he is. Also in overall usefulness he's just flat out weak. I mean, compare him to Ike who was a very handy unit all-throughout. Or hell, even Lyn who's, according to them, rather mediocre, in usefulness she served her purpose though.

Here, I asked them why they felt that way in the thread. You're more than welcome to duking it out with them. I actually wanna see what you have to say tbh.

Also, I gotta say, this image cracked me up as I felt the same way about Lucina when I first saw her official art.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, its funny how you call Roy a "shoddy lord" when Leaf is far weaker than Roy within his own game, and the second-worst lord overall in the series (the worst is FE1 Marth).

Didn't play the 5th game yet, so I wouldn't know how bad Leif is. Roy however felt more like a chore compared to the other lords, so far at least.

 

[Metal Overlord]

i actually thought that was a dude until i saw her hair​

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trolololo​

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dem jaws​

 

[ChronoBound]

Anyway, I seem to recall Lilianna (is that her name? Hector's girl) being a far better unit Roy could ever hope to be.

There are loads of units that are considered better than Lilina. Roy is especially considered much better as an unit than Lilina. Lugh is a far better mage than Lilinia (especially on ranked runs) because you get him much earlier, and by the time you get Lilina, he will be far more levelled than her. Lilina starts at level one in Chapter 8, and you have to baby her to make her decent. Heck, one of the ways you need to do to make her decent/good is to support her with Roy (their supports build very, very quickly).

The fact remains that he is what he is. Also in overall usefulness he's just flat out weak.

No, the fact is that within the context of FE6 he is among the best units in FE6. On the tier list for FE6, he ranks better than more than 40 other units in the game. Roy ranks as high as he is because of his overall utility throughout the entirety of FE6.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Have fun watching two up-tilts and a throw over and over.

I said Roy combo videos not Marth.

It is kind of interesting to see how Roy's setups differ from Marth's.

 

[Deleted member]

i actually thought that was a dude until i saw her hair

trolololo

dem jaws

Also, apparently Roy is a fatty because:

>His Awakening art makes him look like he has a gut

and

>his FE6 sprite makes him look short and fat.

those guys crack me up.

T3h F13R3

just became

The Fatty.

 

[Big-Cat]

Well, she does make for a very convincing Marth.

 

[ChronoBound]

Also, why does Manly keep linking to 4chan when it constantly has foul language, and sexually explicit posts in it? Are the mods asleep at the wheel?

 

[The Black mage]

The two main impediments for Chrom about why there does not seem to be much hype for him as a prospective newcomer are:
1. Being seen as bland and uninteresting (due to his similarities to Ike).
2. People who have played FE13 preferring the other main characters over him.

But really, why is he so bland?

No, Diehard smash fans don't want chrom. Chrom's inclusion might mean Roy wont come back or Ike gets cut.

Ike and Roy are highly favored character's, yes. I can understand that...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So 4chan doesn't work as a source.

I've only been finding Roy be middle/bottom unit instead of top/best-tier at the internet though. Even with among the hardcore FE-communities. Doesn't scream "one of the best units" to me.

 

[ChronoBound]

I've only been finding Roy be middle/bottom unit instead of top/best-tier at the internet though. Even with among the hardcore FE-communities. Doesn't scream "one of the best units" to me.

Want me to link you to the FE6 tier list since you don't believe me otherwise?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, why does Manly keep linking to 4chan when it constantly has foul language, and sexually explicit posts in it? Are the mods asleep at the wheel?

I find this statement to be very ironic considering the mods are practically sleeping on the job here.

 

[Deleted member]

Also, why does Manly keep linking to 4chan when it constantly has foul language, and sexually explicit posts in it? Are the mods asleep at the wheel?

4chan's responses to what you said about Roy, so, some people half agree with you, other disagree dude. Also it seems he doesn't rank very high on any tier list.

>I don't think Roy ranks high on any list, even on the Serenes ones.

>Roy's utility is being required to finish the map. His rapier is good for killing cavaliers early on though. Not so much for armors due to WTD, though, but he can double them so he still has a chance.

>Yes. Lugh is better than Lilina.

>I remember he's as good as Lot. Roy's not that terrible until after Chapter 12.

>the only real use roy has is his ****ing sword
he can literally solo the last two chapters because of >effective damage and the fact that the SoS can be used to heal himself
even at base stats, he can one round the final boss, because of how bull**** his sword is

>The Sword of Seals has only 20 uses, though. Without Hammerne support, it's going to break midway through a chapter. And without the sword Roy's back to being worthless

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: You can, but I just will take it as one among the others and summarize from all of 'em.