Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Fastblade5035]

After hearing about Sakurai's injuries, I predict that this will be the last Super Smash Bros. game that Sakurai would direct. Someone young and new should direct the franchise as of Smash 5 since it's a cash cow and knowing Nintendo they wouldn't give up on it that easily (new console is already in the works).

Miyamoto shall be Sakurai's successor. It is written, "Only Miyamoto can defeat Sony."
And yes, he is VERY young.

 

[ChronoBound]

Miyamoto is not young at all. He is 61, and is thinking about retirement.

 

[Deleted member]

Might be the last game he has a hands-on approach for (not a pun, I'm being serious), but I doubt an injury of the hand will hinder his ability to direct a development team.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Miyamoto is not young at all. He is 61, and is thinking about retirement.

Exactly. He REEKS of young-ness.

Spoiler

 

[ChronoBound]

Might be the last game he has a hands-on approach for (not a pun, I'm being serious), but I doubt an injury of the hand will hinder his ability to direct a development team.

I think Smash 4 will likely be the last game Smash Bros. game that Sakurai directs. I do think he will probably direct another game after Smash 4 though.

 

[BKupa666]

Sakurai's hand surely won't keep him from continuing game design. With Smash and SSB4, it's more a matter of him feeling he's reached a peak from which he does not want to continue.

"We've finally reached 50 characters, doubled the stages, revamped the gameplay and designed a complex connectivity network between two gaming systems. If we put our best efforts into it, we could probably make Smash 5 work, but it would be a little slow. Would that be alright?" *laughs*

 

[Oasis_S]

Oh my goodness BKoops, lol.

 

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Miyamoto is not young at all. He is 61, and is thinking about retirement.

Does it really matter? NINTENDO OWNS HIM.

Which reminds me, I wouldn't mind seeing a Nintendo version of this.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sakurai's hand surely won't keep him from continuing game design. With Smash and SSB4, it's more a matter of him feeling he's reached a peak from which he does not want to continue.

That is what I feel too. Every Smash Bros. game so far has been a big escalation over the last in terms of hype and production values. There will really be nowhere to go after Smash 4.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It seems to be a little soon to talk about the 5th game, but that will be the game that will reboot the series. If you cannot go further, going back to the basics might be a good idea.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think its possible that even Smash 4 could end up being a reboot. However, I think there is still some goodies that can be scraped from the bottom of the barrel for this installment. After Smash 4 (assuming its not a reboot), we are just going to be left with Mario characters in terms of long-time Nintendo character not already playable.

 

[Shorts]

I would want Mona or Ashley MORE if it wasn't for how underwhelming Sakurai's WarioWare movest for Wario was. There is so much life and crazyness in those games, and yet Wario kinda.... is lame as all hell. Mona and Ashley could be the Felicia and Hsien Ko of Smash, so to speak. But I would be extremely disheartened if they ended up like Wario. He's no good, really. Besides clones, and Mewtwo, he's really one of the lamer character executions.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think the reason why Sakurai is going in this time with a "gimmick" (3DS/Wii U versions and the connectivity between them) is because he does not have enough big names left to simply justify another expansion like Melee/Brawl. I also have a feeling Sakurai will also have some other massive draw to Smash 4 that will compensate for the shallower character pool.

I think after Smash 4, there could very well be no more massive character fanbases for prospective newcomers.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Project M did Wario better in terms of moves due to taking liberties from Wario Land.

I still find it weird how Wario Land was completely ignored in Brawl for no good reason.

 

[Shorts]

I really don't know why WarioLand is ignored. Is it even mentioned in his trophies in Melee? *goes to find out* And I agree with you Chrono. This Smash game is really about adding lesser characters. But I aint even mad tho. I like most of the character choices. I've noticed it bothers me when anyone talks crap about, well, mostly all the potential newcomers, with the exception of Waluigi. I like Toad, Junior, Geno, Dixie, K. Rool, Mona, Kamek, Bandana Dee, Ghirahim, Tingle, Toon Zelda, Mewtwo, Zoroark, Genesect, Ridley, Dark Samus, Krystal, Black Shadow, Samurai Goroh, Palutena, Medusa, Tom Nook, Masked Man, Porky, Roy, Chrom, Mac, Saki, Shulk, Isaac, Starfy, Miis, Takamaru, Mach Rider, ect ect ect. Too many h8trs in this *****.

Every addition will be a win for me, which is a pretty sweet deal. This will probably be the last Smash I follow avidly. (Maybe, probably, maybe, I don't know)

Also, I bet you anything if WarioWare didn't come out, we would have a much better Wario character:

An old acquaintance of Mario's. His failure to seize Mario's castle has fueled Wario's desire for a palace of his own. Wario has herculean strength and can do things that even Mario can't imitate. His unexpected skills include a talent with items and the ability to assume many roles, among them a snowman, a zombie, and a bat.

 

[Deleted member]

Supposedly, Sakurai used Wario Land as a reason to exclude Wario from Melee. I can't confirm this for sure since I don't have the source, but I do remember Shortie bringing it up in the Smash Bros. 4 Wii-U thread. If its true, then it does explain for the shameful lack of Wario Land representation in Brawl.

 

[ChronoBound]

Every addition will be a win for me, which is a pretty sweet deal. This will probably be the last Smash I follow avidly. (Maybe, probably, maybe, I don't know) T

This will definitely be the last Smash Bros. game I follow at all. I think that will be the same for many here.

 

[Oasis_S]

I know one thing that's hilarious to me is how Sakurai did all he could to differentiate Wario from Mario, and yet somehow Waluigi supporters still feel another guy overalls is justified.

I mean look what he did with Luigi just to make him stand out. What a weirdo.

 

[Shorts]

I mean look what he did with Luigi just to make him stand out. What a weirdo.

Hey buddy, I just remembered that Luigi's vac may show up this time around. Remember what you read? What exactly was that thing you read where Sakurai wanted to implement the vac but wasn't sure about it?

Supposedly, Sakurai used Wario Land as a reason to exclude Wario from Melee. I can't confirm this for sure since I don't have the source, but I do remember Shortie bringing it up in the Smash Bros. 4 Wii-U thread. If its true, then it does explain for the shameful lack of Wario Land representation in Brawl.

It's one of those things that can't be confirmed I think. Chrono or try may have brought up the quote once, but it's like the "Who's Krystal?" and "Sakurai doesn't like Toad" quotes no one can seem to find.

 

[FlareHabanero]

This will definitely be the last Smash Bros. game I follow at all. I think that will be the same for many here.

I'll still follow the series just to see how it can improve and update to time. I mean the series is more then characters, so there will still be something new to talk about.

 

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I know one thing that's hilarious to me is how Sakurai did all he could to differentiate Wario from Mario, and yet somehow Waluigi supporters still feel another guy overalls is justified.

I mean look what he did with Luigi just to make him stand out. What a weirdo.

Will be interesting to see how he would do this with Toad, not that I'm betting on him or anything.

 

[Oasis_S]

Hey buddy, I just remembered that Luigi's vac may show up this time around. Remember what you read? What exactly was that thing you read where Sakurai wanted to implement the vac but wasn't sure about it?

I don't really remember, just that he knew of it and thought about adding it in Melee. I assume Brawl was his answer, but with Dark Moon around the corner he may feel it is more apart of Luigi's character than something that, for all he knew, would have been a one-off thing at the time of Melee's release. Though, I'm pretty sure the vacuum turned up in spin-off games before Brawl. Who knows.

I brought this up a few weeks ago but I guess no one cared, lol.


@Tryphen: Well Toad is at least in a better position since he's not wearing overalls and isn't another a tiny Bowser.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think the New Super Mario Bros. games (and the success of them) are what will help Toad more than anything else, and even then I am not sure if that would be enough for him. Toad might be able to have the gimmick of being a very light but very powerful character (glass cannon), but otherwise Sakurai could pass on him since he might think he is not interesting enough to expand into a fighter.

I actually think Paper Mario might tickle Sakurai's fancy the most of all the prospective Mario newcomers, however, I think Paper Mario might actually take more work than any of them (since Paper Mario would basically be a 2D fighter and not be a polygonal one).

 

[Bowserlick]

I like the idea of Paper Mario. Seems like there is alot of creativity to work with. I think Down B could switch Paper Mario's partners which would change all the other specials.

 

[FalKoopa]

Paper Mario could use his hammer, spin dash, and badges.

 

[BKupa666]

Wouldn't being 2D make Paper Mario easier, not harder, to animate? Theoretically, his frame-by-frame movement could be more simplistic than that of 3D characters, along the lines of Game & Watch.

Edit: He would not be a costume of Game & Watch, of course.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I find it depressing how another variant of Mario would apparently be the only option for a Mario rep. We already went through this crap with Dr. Mario, let's not go through this again.

 

[FalKoopa]

Let's hope Moon Monkey doesn't notice Bkupa's post.

 

[ChronoBound]

I find it depressing how another variant of Mario would apparently be the only option for a Mario rep. We already went through this crap with Dr. Mario, let's not go through this again.

Regardless of who Sakurai chooses as a Mario newcomer, there is going to be a lot of unhappy people. There is five popular choices for a Mario newcomer (Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, Waluigi, and Geno), and many of the supporters for those characters don't like the other choices.

 

[Oasis_S]

I find it depressing how another variant of Mario would apparently be the only option for a Mario rep. We already went through this crap with Dr. Mario, let's not go through this again.

Ever notice how all the potential Mario characters are variants on existing characters except for Toad. That is seriously the only reason why I think Toad MIGHT get in. I mean, you have a paper Mario, another Bowser with the possibility of turning into a blue Mario, the purple green Mario, and then a doctor Mario. You could throw in yellow Peach if you want.

It's like Toad wins purely by default.

 

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Honestly I'd rather there be no Mario newcomers.

I personally dislike Toad in general, and am not that interested in what he could offer. He also doesn't seem like the fighting type IMO, and a moveset would feel forced. Should he not be playable however, I do think that he should gain more attention within Peach's moveset (taunts, victory poses, SSE, voice acting).

I like Waluigi for his personality, makes me laugh, but he's a bit out there and would take a bit of effort for a moveset. Kinda like Captain Falcon or Goroh in a way but less interesting in the end, the Mario Sport games are referenced in Peach's F-Smash (probably among other Mario Spin-offs I'm not catching), so I feel the Spin-off stuff is sorta already covered.

Paper Mario would be interesting moveset wise, but another version of Mario doesn't really appeal to me, though it makes better sense than Doctor Mario in a way. But a PM stage, now that's a keeper.

Bowser Jr. is okay, I don't hate him, but I don't like him either. Not really sure what he could do aside from the Paintbrush. Seems that no one really remembers him in Mario discussions, so I don't take that as a good sign.

 

[Shorts]

Geno wins by default for me. And, for funsies.

Waluigi 328
Junior 196
Geno 179
Toad 153

Waluigi has popularity, that is LITERALLY it.

 

[Oasis_S]

I used to love Junior until I realized I only loved him for his paintbrush and that really he was an awful addition by himself.

Also it's really weird how people will say Paper Mario would be so unique since he's made of paper but then when they suggest what his moveset would be, it's about the hammer and junk. SO BORING. I agree about the stage though, a Paper Mario stage could even give every playable character a sort of papery feel so adding in Paper Mario himself would be kind of pointless.

 

[FlareHabanero]

At this point, I don't really care about Mario characters. Mario, Luigi, Bowser, and Peach is pretty okay for now. In fact, I don't really care much about the newcomers for existing franchises, barring some stuff like Palutena and K. Rool.

 

[Oasis_S]

Shorts, did you do your write-in poll yet or are you saving that for after E3.

 

[Shorts]

Shorts, did you do your write-in poll yet or are you saving that for after E3.

You got it right. Post E3. I haven't started on it yet. I've tested out the new site, have the characters, the stages are being done by star, and the japanese translations are done.

 

[Oasis_S]

You're so cool. You have this, like, legacy. Shortiecanpoll?

 

[ChronoBound]

Geno wins by default for me. And, for funsies.

Waluigi 328
Junior 196
Geno 179
Toad 153

Waluigi has popularity, that is LITERALLY it.

I am perplexed about how Geno still has more popularity than Toad, Dixie Kong, Krystal, and Samurai Goroh. Toad and Dixie Kong are iconic, while Krystal and Goroh are next in line for their respective series if newcomers for them happen, yet Geno beats them all out.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Geno is still a very perplexing specimen overall. Can't really see how such a character has gained a cult following that is somehow enduring to this day. It's not like the character is anything interesting considering Geno is basically a dolled up Black Mage.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I guess it's because the Wario Land games weren't as popular as Wario Ware in Japan or even sold enough. I can see why they would love those games since it has their type of weird and WTF humor they'd normally see in their media.